From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 15 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Saddest Song NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Raps on Mingus [missblux@googlemail.com] Forest Hills concert ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: The Saddest Song NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Hillary, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Raps on Mingus [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] SJC (Slight Joni Content) JC (Judy Content) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney ["Sherelle Smith" ] Rap rap njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Forest Hills concert [Michael Flaherty ] sad songs njc ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] Re: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me [Catherine McKay ] Happy songs njc (well, there is a Joni song, but don't know if that counts as JC...) ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] Too Big For Me by Mathilde Santing ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:46:38 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: The Saddest Song NJC I don't know a sadder song, or a more magnificent one, than Joan Armatrading's 'Your Letter', although Janis Ian has many which are sad, 'In the Winter' and 'Stars' especially, but some of Ian's other songs veer dangerously towards the maudlin (thanks Jerry for pointing out the difference between maudlin and sad; how would you describe 'The Mountains of Mourne'?). mike in bcn np Coltrane 'Dear Lord' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:44:52 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Raps on Mingus Hi David I wrote a post a few days about Joni and rap - and now I understand form your email that she actually raps on Mingus? Or have I misunderstood you? And if she raps, why would you cut the raps away? I haven't heard Mingus yet, but its my next project, once I'm done with Shadows and Light. Sorry to start a discussion about an album I haven't heard, I just find this really interesting! Bene Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:00:37 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: HOSL and Mingus remasters Hey Joni amigos, While you wait (and wait) for official Rhino remasters to come out I am offering my own "widescreen edition" remastered versions of HOSL and Mingus, as well as DJRD which several of you already downloaded last month. I took the editorial liberty of omitting the raps from Mingus, but other than that the only changes have been sonic. I hope you enjoy them; please let me know. The links to the three albums can be obtained by requesting them offlist over the next two weeks. As before, you must already own the requested album to qualify. Dave Blackburn Beat 'n Track Mastering Fallbrook, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:44:10 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Forest Hills concert Deb wrote: I was there, not in the second row, but in the nosebleed section, and it was still divine. I will never forget her stunning rendition of Amelia. The whole stadium was dead silent, except for random gasps. It was that beautiful. Yes it is a stunning Amelia indeed. Now you can relive this moment. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:16:13 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney Hi Sherelle, i love your passion for this album! To be honest, Pat Metheney somehow doesn't really captivate me, and I wonder why. I still need to listen to the album more though. My attention somehow drops a little when he comes on. I have an album with him and Charlie Haden, called Beyond the Missouri Sky. I got offended when I was first listening to it and my friend called it elevator music, but somehow, I don't really get the energy in it. Its melodic and playful and so on... I just would not bring it to my desert island. When I watched Shadows and light for the first time, and he came on to play a solo, I immediately thought, well this is a bit less exciting.... I hadn't realized that it was Pat Metheney and thought this was a less well-known guitarist. I don't know... Maybe I need to listen to him more! I'm always puzzled when I don't get music that others rave about... And don't get me wrong, this concert is amazing on a level I can't describe. Bene PS happy songs: someone mentioned The Beatles Here Comes the Sun. I miss that song! The feeling of sunshine in early spring when you hear it. I'm listening at the moment to another band which has a similarly sunny effect on me, maybe because they are South Africans. So for those of you who are on the northern hemisphere and fed up with grey days: http://www.myspace.com/bangtheband. If anyone listens I'd like to know what you think! Bn On 2/13/07, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Dear Bene, > > Thanks so much for letting me know what you think of Shadows and Light! I'm > so happy you feel the same way I do about it! Yes! Jaco and Michael do fly > together and Pat and Don's solos are heavenly! A friend I made in West > Virginia was at one of those shows that was taped. He said that the sound of > the Persuasions and Joni together singing "Shadows and Light" was absolutely > unbelieveable! He said you had to be there to truly feel how intense that > song was! Of course he had me drooling because this is my dream concert. For > me, a show doesn't get any better than this one! > > I'm so happy that your Jonifest went well! Claudia San Soucie had a mini one > when Michael Paz stopped in Baltimore last week and it was nice as well! > > Love, Sherelle > > > >From: missblux@googlemail.com > > > > >Hi, > > > >so there was a Jonifest taking place last Saturday afternoon in > >Hampstead, London! Participants were Laurent and his daughter Eve who > >some of you have heard singing, myself, and a man named Bob completed > >the picture, no Jonifest without one I guess! > > > >We spent a lovely sunny afternoon together, bought a lot of > >scarves(...), and I got my copy of Shadows and Light. > > > >I promised to tell Sherelle what I think of the music. I don't even > >know what to say.... > > > >It's VERY GOOD MUSIC! Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker together - > >they fly! They are so tuned together and so... I don't know, sometimes > >I want them to stop because it completely goes over my head. How can > >people play music like that??! > > > >I like her stage appearance. I suddenly understood why my friend who > >is a jazz singer used to insist on dressing very moderately on stage > >although she is really beautiful and could easily attract all the > >attention. She used to say that she wanted her voice to be one of the > >instruments, or something similar. She did not want to stand out any > >more than the sax or the bass. Same thing with Joni playing with these > >people: she shines, and its obviously her music, but the orchestra is > >not built up to lift her up on a pedestal. What a cool woman... > > > >Wow...! > > > >Benedicte > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy > Awards(r) http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:51:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Saddest Song NJC Sad, remembering the sanctity of home. A common theme in many cultures, but there is something about the way the Irish write that is so immediate. Jerry NO- David Blackburn's remastering of Mingus It never sounded so good. David, you are a masterful remasterer! > (thanks Jerry for pointing out the difference between maudlin and sad; > how would you describe 'The Mountains of Mourne'?). > mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:14:19 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Hillary, njc Hillary at Elementary School Hillary Clinton goes to a primary school in New York to talk about the world. After her talk she offers a question time. One little boy puts up his hand. The Senator asks him what his name is. "Kenneth." "And what is your question, Kenneth?" "I have three questions: First - whatever happened to the medical health care plan you were paid to develop during your husband's eight years in the office as President? Second - why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? Third - whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?" Just then the bell rings for recess. Hillary Clinton informs the kids that they will continue after recess. When they resume, Hillary says, "Okay, where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?" A different little boy puts his hand up. Hillary point him out and asks him what his name is. "Larry." "And what is your question, Larry?" "I have five questions: First - whatever happened to the medical health care plan you were paid to develop during your husband's eight years in the office as President? Second - why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? Third - whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House? Fourth - why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? Fifth - what happened to Kenneth?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:28:55 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Raps on Mingus They're referred to as "raps" but it's not the kind of musical raps you're thinking about. They are little snippets of Mingus' conversation (remember the 70's 'rap sessions'?), typically running a couple of seconds and relating to the song that follows them. Once you've heard them once, they're a bit of a nuisance in terms of enjoying the music on the album. Not a major deal to omit them from a remaster, I would say. Bob NP: Prince, "I Feel For You" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The Senator asks him what his name is. > > "Kenneth." > > "And what is your question, Kenneth?" > > "I have three questions: First - whatever happened to the medical health > care plan you were paid to develop during your husband's eight years in > the > office as President? Second - why would you run for President after your > husband > shamed the office? Third - whatever happened to all those things you took > when > you left the White House?" > > Just then the bell rings for recess. Hillary Clinton informs the kids > that > they will continue after recess. > > When they resume, Hillary says, "Okay, where were we? Oh, that's right, > question time. Who has a question?" > > A different little boy puts his hand up. Hillary point him out and asks > him > what his name is. > > "Larry." > > "And what is your question, Larry?" > > "I have five questions: First - whatever happened to the medical health > care > plan you were paid to develop during your husband's eight years in the > office > as President? Second - why would you run for President after your husband > shamed the office? Third - whatever happened to all those things you took > when > you left the White House? > Fourth - why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? Fifth - what > happened to Kenneth?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:17:31 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book To everyone who responded to my postings, thank you! I realise that I have some reading to catch up with, which I'm looking forward to (with somehow mixed feelings), and I do appreciate all information you can pass on on this list. It's wonderful to have so many Joni-fans to turn to! As for the mixed feelings I have about learning more about Joni's personal life - it's not that I am afraid of ending up with shattered illusions since I do not have an idealised picture of her in my mind. It's just that up to now her music helped me to name my own feelings and make sense of my own relationships. Now when I listen to say A case of you I start to wonder who made her feel that way and also, after having learnt about her various relationships, why on earth she had such a poor taste in men? (I mean, James Taylor, for god's sake...:-). Thoughts like that interfer with my own soulsearching, but on the other hand they open up new dimensions. And oh - I hope you all had a a really nice Valentine's Day yesterday! Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: ; "'Marion Leffler'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > Welcome, Marion. I'd be even harsher and say that Hinton's book is > actually > primarily a case of pastiche plagiarism from various journalists. Karen > O'Brien's is the best bio (though I haven't read Mark Bego's). > > Bob is right about the discography having been useful in its day. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:08 AM > To: Marion Leffler > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > > book - what do you think? I got the impression that maybe it's not quite > correct, he makes a lot of assumptions?> > > Marion, firstly a belated welcome to the group, and I join the chorus of > folks who encourage you to continue chiming in as much as you like. > > As a Bob, I object to you referring to Brian Hinton as a Bob, but I'll > give you a pass since you're a newbie. :o) > > And you're right - his book is pretentious and full of assumptions, and > his biggest fault is that he doesn't even say "perhaps this song is about > so-and-so", but rather states that his opinion is fact. A fatal flaw, I > think. > > On the positive side, he has some nice appendices about her bootleg albums > and covers. I found that unique and actually back in the day he mentioned > a couple of covers that I was unaware of. At the same time he lists a > couple that are not valid (Barry McGuire & Sir Douglas Quintet among > others). And even the worst books about Joni are enjoyable on some level. > > Bob > > NP: Lucinda Williams, "Are You Alright?" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:00:42 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney Hi Bene, I think the effect is different for me because even though I have seen the video once on loan, I have primarily only been able to listen to Pat's solos on Shadow and Light. I also have music/color synesthesia so for me, his solo is especially beautiful explosions of pinks and blues along with beautiful songs. It's the same everytime so when I hear it, I just have to close my eyes and listen. I think Pat's music is something you have to proactively get into as a listener because there are so many subltleties in it. I understand why it didn't grab your attention at first. It took me a long time to get into Don Alias' solo but now I love it. The fact that he is no longer with us (as is the same for Michael Brecker) gives it even more special meaning. I'm listening to The Bang right now and I hear what you are saying about the "Shiny", sunny sound. They are very uptempo and upbeat. I'm listening to the song "Shiny" now. I like the ballad they have up here as well. Sherelle >From: missblux@googlemail.com > >Hi Sherelle, > >i love your passion for this album! > >To be honest, Pat Metheney somehow doesn't really captivate me, and I >wonder why. I still need to listen to the album more though. My >attention somehow drops a little when he comes on. I have an album >with him and Charlie Haden, called Beyond the Missouri Sky. I got >offended when I was first listening to it and my friend called it >elevator music, but somehow, I don't really get the energy in it. Its >melodic and playful and so on... I just would not bring it to my >desert island. > >When I watched Shadows and light for the first time, and he came on to >play a solo, I immediately thought, well this is a bit less >exciting.... I hadn't realized that it was Pat Metheney and thought >this was a less well-known guitarist. > >I don't know... Maybe I need to listen to him more! I'm always puzzled >when I don't get music that others rave about... And don't get me >wrong, this concert is amazing on a level I can't describe. > >Bene > >PS happy songs: someone mentioned The Beatles Here Comes the Sun. I >miss that song! The feeling of sunshine in early spring when you hear >it. > >I'm listening at the moment to another band which has a similarly >sunny effect on me, maybe because they are South Africans. So for >those of you who are on the northern hemisphere and fed up with grey >days: http://www.myspace.com/bangtheband. > >If anyone listens I'd like to know what you think! > >Bn > > > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:07:26 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me How brave of you to share this story. Your observations are so precise--I remember waking up on the day of my own father's funeral thinking the same thing: How am I going to get through this day?" It is all so surreal. Ken - -----Original Message----- From: loveuconn@hotmail.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:17 AM Subject: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me Dear Joniamigo(a)s: I'm not sure how to begin. For 365 days now, as the seasons they go round and round, I have wanted to share this story with you. "Love is a story told." It's pretty deep, and I hope not too sad or morose. I really don't want to bum anyone out, or bring anyone down the dark dark ladder to sad memories of funerals you have attended, so if you're not in the mood for this, please just scroll on by. I have to share this story before the clock strikes midnight. I should have written it over the past few months, in draft form, but I never did. It's all bars in my head, romantic and snowblind. And now, they call out to be released. Today, Valentine's Day, is my parents' 54th wedding anniversary. Last year, on this day, it was their 53rd wedding anniversary, and we buried my Dad. If Joni had not been with me, I would not share this with you. But she was! I woke up that morning, suddenly in Utah after this flight tonight. My first thought was: "OMG. Today we are going to bury my father. How do you do this?" (One thing Joni has never written about or guided us through is the death of a parent.) It's not every day that you bury your father. So how do you do this? You take a shower, you get dressed in black. You ride with your mother and your brother out to Camp Williams. You're the first ones there. You stupidly ask your mother and brother if the funeral home people will be there. Your dear mother, always with a sense of humor, says: "Well, he can't drive himself." You think: "That's not funny", but weeks later you get it, and you just have to laugh. It's all so crazy. Other cars pull up. Your middle brother, the tough Marine, with his five kids. They all get out of the car, looking shell-shocked. No one knows how to act. Your youngest brother arrives, with his two sons. Then the hearse comes. All in a dream, all in a dream, the unloading has begun. There's a casket, with a flag on it. DADDY! Joni in my head: Do you think this can be real? It's not real. But it is. Okay, so everybody's crying. I've never seen my family like this. I have to be the strong one. I hug all the kids. I take my niece Megan under my cape. She is 16. She was born with all kinds of disabilities, but she's tough. A trooper. But she's really crying. Her father, the Marine, is crying. I've never seen his face like this, all contorted with grief. I bend down to comfort Megan and say: "It's really hard, isn't it honey? To see all these guys crying. When is the last time you saw your Dad cry?" She says: "Never." This is awful. So the funeral director get us womenfolk to sit down on these green-velvety covered folding chairs. There are only four of them....was that planned? One for me, one for Megan, one for my Mom, and one for my niece Jamie (21). The menfolk stand behind us, in a semi-circle. (Forget your feminism, Patti.) My little nephews, not knowing what to do. My brothers. I'm afraid to turn around and look at them. Me in my frightened silence, thinking I don't understand. It was all so stark and unreal. No flowers, no music. My brother-in-charge said that's what my Dad wanted. The priest starts praying. It's cold. Megan is shivering under half of my cape. She has little California sandals on her tiny feet. I glance at my Mom. I put one of my hands over hers, as she grips her cane, so tight. She is stoic. And then, soft, what do I hear from the priest's mouth but Joni? Love by Joni Mitchell Although I speak in tongues Of men and angels I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals without love Love suffers long Love is kind! Enduring all things Love has no evil in mind If I had the gift of prophecy And all the knowledge And the faith to move the mountains Even if I understood all of the mysteries If I didn't have love I'd be nothing Love never looks for love Love's not puffed up Or envious Or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in iniquity Love sees like a child sees As a child I spoke as a child I thought and I understood as a child But when I became a woman I put away childish things And began to see through a glass darkly Where as a child I saw it face to face Now I only know it in part Fractions in me Of faith and hope and love And of these great three Love's the greatest beauty Love Love Love Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Joni Mitchell comforts me in my hour of darkness. Still a light that shines on me. Now, I've heard 1 Corinthians 13 at weddings, but never at a funeral. I can't tell you what comfort it brought me. Although, I think you understand. Love never dies. Then the guns go off. I jump out of my skin. And then, TAPS. Fading light dims the sight And a star gems the sky, gleaming bright From afar drawing nigh, Falls the night. Day is done, gone the sun From the lake, from the hills, from the sky All is well, safely rest; God is nigh. Then goodnight, peaceful night; Till the light of the dawn shineth bright. God is near, do not fear, Friend, goodnight. From Wikipedia: The other popular version, penned and harmonized by famed composer Josef Pasternack[1], is: Love, sweet dreams! Lo, the beams of the light Fairy moon kissed the streams, Love, Goodnight! Ah so soon! Peaceful dreams! Big sigh. Had to get that out. Sorry for digging down so deep, and I hope you no one loses good sleep. Thank you for this sacred Joni place to share. Loves, goodnight. Peaceful dreams. Patti P. P.S. My niece Jamie, the 21-year old? She gave birth to a healthy strapping baby boy yesterday. Death and birth and death and birth. And we all shine on..... NPIMH: O, Mein Papa _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:03:25 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: happy songs njc Well, I am sick with the flu right now and was going to do a happy song list, but in my fevered state, I put too much thought into it and was trying to differentiate what was a "happy" song as opposed to what songs made me happy, even though they aren't "happy" songs. For example, my all-time favorite song is U2's "The Unforgettable Fire" and so of course the song must make me happy on some level, although it's not a happy song. And then there's "Silver Springs", which again isn't a happy song, but whenever I watch the Dance and see Stevie singing it, well, damn, that's enough to make me happy. So, you can see what kind of day it's been.... THEN, I began thinking of songs that always make me happy and while they aren't downers, I think they just make me nostalgic - songs of my childhood from A.M. radio. Maybe we should do a post of our top 10 favorite a.m. radio favorites from the 70s someday (but then again, I have a feeling that I am probably the only one here who still listens to an oldies a.m. station and who hears the Pina Colada song, Fly Robin Fly, and Wildfire on a regular basis). So, my list of happy songs for today, based on what puts a smile on my face are: 1.) You Make My Dreams - Hall and Oates 2.) September - Earth Wind and Fire 3.) You Make Loving Fun - Fleetwood Mac 4.) Your Smiling Face - JT 5.) Only One - JT 6.) Wasted on the Way - CSN (odd choice I know - Something about those harmonies that just makes my day) 7.) Thieves Like Us - New Order (not a happy song lyrically, but musically, it immediately makes me smile) 8.) Aikea Guinea - Cocteau Twins (no idea what she is saying, but it makes me happy) 9.) Motortown - Kane Gang 10.) Mickey - Toni Basil (I am joking - really, I am) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:04:31 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Rap rap njc From: "Jerry Notaro" > NO- David Blackburn's remastering of Mingus > It never sounded so good. David, you are a masterful remasterer! NO....Now On? Not Over? Nicely Outstanding? No Oration? Re: rap...the term goes back to the sixties, at least, I think the beats used it in the 50's, meaning to shoot the shit, discuss, talk. Though as a form of expression as we know it now, I think it goes back to ancient African traditions. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Forest Hills concert From: Laurent Olszer >>>The solos are still there, just a small part missing Really? That's great. Someone in the comments section said Jaco's wasn't there, but perhaps he was just looking at the track list. (Pat's is listed as fading out.) Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:52:45 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: sad songs njc Here are a few that tickle my tear ducts: Too Big for Me - Mathilde Santing [I'll try to find the lyric and post it, it's a beauty] J for Jules - Til Tuesday Woods of Darney - Richard Thompson Sullen Girl - Fiona Apple [though it helps to know the history] Always There - Christine Collister Just to Keep You Sastisfied - Marvin Gaye You're the One - Kate Bush [truly gut-wrenching post-breakup song, quite uncharacteristic of her] Tears Idle Tears - Caroline Trettine Kitefliers Hill - Eddi Reader Bedspring Kiss - Jellyfish Hello Mary - David Baerwald [and what a superb vocal!] Oh, there are too many... Azeem in London NP: Aimee Mann - Lost in Space (nearly 2 months after moving, I've finally set the stereo up, and boy does it sound great! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me - --- kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > How brave of you to share this story. Your > observations are so precise--I remember waking up on > the day of my own father's funeral thinking the same > thing: How am I going to get through this day?" It > is all so surreal. > Ken > Same from me, Patti. I get it. Seven years ago January 25, my own Dad died, very suddenly and unexpectedly. I had lost my mother five years earlier, so Dad's death left me an orphan. Dad had remarried. He met a woman a year after my Mum left us, and married this woman the next year. I remember going over to my parents' place a week or so after the funeral, to discuss with the guy from Royal Trust about the will and so on, and seeing that my stepmum had written on the calendar for January 25, 2000, "I lost Mike." That made it sadder and more real, I think. Three simple words that summed it all up. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book - --- Marion Leffler wrote: It's just that up to > now her music helped me to name my own feelings and > make sense of my own > relationships. Now when I listen to say A case of > you I start to wonder who > made her feel that way and also, after having learnt > about her various > relationships, why on earth she had such a poor > taste in men? (I mean, James > Taylor, for god's sake...:-). Thoughts like that > interfer with my own > soulsearching, but on the other hand they open up > new dimensions. I get it. I was never all that interested in who Joni wrote any particular song about. I never even thought to ask. It was more what it meant to me (selfish being that I am!) I never knew much about the people behind these songs until I joined this list. Now I find it somewhat interesting, but more along the lines of, when you discover and admit to someone else that you have a particular health problem and they reveal to you that they've had the same thing, or their sister or aunt has, if that makes any sense at all. I feel like prying into her personal life is just a bit too voyeuristic. I can understand the feelings, because she has expressed things that I have felt, but I wouldn't want to ask her who she was talking about. If she volunteered the info to me, then I would feel privileged that she trusted me enough to tell me, but I wouldn't want to pry. I've read a few of the books mentioned, but only because people here might have recommended them. I generally find that "biographies" of celebrities tend to be very shallow in any case, but I've also been caught reading "People" magazine while waiting for the doctor or the dentist to see me. While I don't want to knock anyone that wants to know who song X or Y was about, because we all take different things from what we read or hear, and I suppose it can add a human dimension when you know, there were never any burning questions for me. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:54:08 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: RE: Forest Hills concert OK, between Deb and Laurent I'm sold (and downloading). It'll always bother me that someone thought Pat and Jaco's spots weren't worth including, but this is clearly a better version than Oklahoma (would that couple near the taper just SHUT UP!!) or San Fran, which are both pretty poor quality. Michael Flaherty The solos are still there, just a small part missing Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:11:59 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Happy songs njc (well, there is a Joni song, but don't know if that counts as JC...) Like Robert has just said, there are songs that make me feel happy, even though the songs may not be happy per se. There She Goes - the La's [widely believed to be about shooting up, but it's so damn perky!] Isn't She Lovely - Stevie Wonder The Secret Life of Arabia - David Bowie Wall of Death - Richard & Linda Thompson [despite the title, this is irresistibly euphoric] Persuasion - Tim Finn Feels Like Summer - Sing-Sing Lucky Number - Lene Lovich You're on My Mind - Carmel Hey Ya - Outkast Can't Get You Out Of My Head - Kylie Minogue Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now - The Smiths [I'm not being ironic - I think this song is hilarious, and intentionally so; consider this line: "What she asked of me at the end of the day, Caligula would have blushed." Then there's the title, which is a delightful homage to one of Morrissey's idols, Sandie Shaw, who had a hit with a song called "Heaven Knows I'm Missing Him Now." Nuff said.] Azeem in London NP: Richard and Linda Thompson - Wall of Death ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: happy songs njc - --- Robert Procyk wrote: > Well, I am sick with the flu right now and was going > to do a happy song list, but in my fevered state, I > put too much thought into it and was trying to > differentiate what was a "happy" song as opposed to > what songs made me happy, even though they aren't > "happy" songs. I couldn't possibly do a list of happy or sad songs, and I can't blame it on a fevered state. I never was good at any kind of list, even grocery lists, and I tend to analyze the shit out of things in any case. The same song that makes me feel happy one day can make me feel sad the next. Whatever it is that makes me acronym-phobic also makes me list-phobic. Hate 'em and can't do 'em. I don't mind reading other people's lists though, and sometimes I read 'em and think, "Oh yeah. There's one" and other times think maybe I should check out other people's favourites. Right now, though, I could do with a "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" list. Any list freaks care to chime in on that? All I can think of right now is, Bjork - Army of me. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:22:45 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Too Big For Me by Mathilde Santing Here's the lyric to this beautiful song, which never fails to move me. If you can get to hear it, so much the better, as it's the melody and the exquisite vocal performance that really makes it, though I think the lyric on its own ain't bad... Azeem in London NP: Maria McKee - Season of the Fair I still have memories of birthdays long ago you would light all the candles said the wind would help me blow as if I didn't know When I grew older there were sundays on the shore no more riding your shoulders we would talk and walk some more Goodbyes at my frontdoor At the top of the stairs I just found a pair of shoes too big for me probably right for you Tried your coat on in the hall touches the ground as I stand tall Too big for me Probably right for you I dreamt I saw you on a bus somewhere in town your eyes just fell upon me I stumbled and felt like a clown your eyes just tore me down You were my hero my sun, my rain, my moon And the few true loves of my life they look quite a bit like you those shoes might fit them too There's a box up in my room with gloves, a hat, a bow-tie too too big for me probably right for you Imagine me going to the ball races my heart, makes me feel like a fool for a one, two, three now won't you come dance with me Waltzing in circles my head on your shoulder Waltzing the room spins spinning my head Round and round and round and round we go At the top of the stairs I just found a pair of shoes too big for me probably right for you Tried your coat on in the hall touches the ground as I stand tall too big for me probably right for you probably right for you probably right for you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:45:15 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney Hi again, and thanks for your mail. You know watching them perform is interesting because of the way they interact, but I closed my eyes today and thought how different it would have sounded if I had never seen them. It opens a whole new dimension. I don't have synesthesia though, I can't even explain what I see or don't see when I close my eyes. I'll try and think about it though. I envy you for it..! Someone said I should watch 'A map of the World', apparently Metheny made the music for it. My next project among many. I didn't know Don Alias had died recently - so that's half of them gone. Hey I'm glad you like The Bang! It feels like pretty simple music when compared to Shadows & Light. But it makes me happy :-) Benedicte On 2/15/07, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Bene, > > I think the effect is different for me because even though I have seen the > video once on loan, I have primarily only been able to listen to Pat's solos > on Shadow and Light. I also have music/color synesthesia so for me, his solo > is especially beautiful explosions of pinks and blues along with beautiful > songs. It's the same everytime so when I hear it, I just have to close my > eyes and listen. I think Pat's music is something you have to proactively > get into as a listener because there are so many subltleties in it. I > understand why it didn't grab your attention at first. It took me a long > time to get into Don Alias' solo but now I love it. The fact that he is no > longer with us (as is the same for Michael Brecker) gives it even more > special meaning. > > > I'm listening to The Bang right now and I hear what you are saying about the > "Shiny", sunny sound. They are very uptempo and upbeat. I'm listening to the > song "Shiny" now. I like the ballad they have up here as well. > > Sherelle > > >From: missblux@googlemail.com > > > > >Hi Sherelle, > > > >i love your passion for this album! > > > >To be honest, Pat Metheney somehow doesn't really captivate me, and I > >wonder why. I still need to listen to the album more though. My > >attention somehow drops a little when he comes on. I have an album > >with him and Charlie Haden, called Beyond the Missouri Sky. I got > >offended when I was first listening to it and my friend called it > >elevator music, but somehow, I don't really get the energy in it. Its > >melodic and playful and so on... I just would not bring it to my > >desert island. > > > >When I watched Shadows and light for the first time, and he came on to > >play a solo, I immediately thought, well this is a bit less > >exciting.... I hadn't realized that it was Pat Metheney and thought > >this was a less well-known guitarist. > > > >I don't know... Maybe I need to listen to him more! I'm always puzzled > >when I don't get music that others rave about... And don't get me > >wrong, this concert is amazing on a level I can't describe. > > > >Bene > > > >PS happy songs: someone mentioned The Beatles Here Comes the Sun. I > >miss that song! The feeling of sunshine in early spring when you hear > >it. > > > >I'm listening at the moment to another band which has a similarly > >sunny effect on me, maybe because they are South Africans. So for > >those of you who are on the northern hemisphere and fed up with grey > >days: http://www.myspace.com/bangtheband. > > > >If anyone listens I'd like to know what you think! > > > >Bn > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:56:22 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: happy songs njc And me...her voice makes my skin crawl, innovator though she may be. Back when we could pull internet radio/streaming audio here at work (we're blocked from doing it now) I listened to Radioparadise.com quite a bit. They played a good mix of tunes but WAY too much Aimee Mann and WAY WAY too much Bjork. I contributed money to them on a couple occasions, and told them to play more Joni. Once I told them that I would give them $1 for every Joni song they played BUT I would deduct a quarter for every Bjork song they played and settle up at the end of the month. I gave up tracking it after a couple of weeks as they were already $5 in the hole. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Gnik Nus" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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"In my life Why do I smile At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye ?" Only Morrissey could come up with lines like that. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:20:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: happy songs njc <2.) September - Earth Wind and Fire> This IS a great happy/'make you feel good' song...almost ALL of their stuff falls into this category. "Singasong" is probably at the top of my EWF Happy song list. My IPOD (a shuffle that only holds 250 or so songs) LOVES EWF and usually always plays several songs by them even though I really only have a small handful in there. Thanks to my EWF-lovin' ipod, I have reconnected with EWF which is very cool. Such a great vibe in their music and at their concerts, I saw them in Greensboro way back when and it was an awesome show. Their cover of "Got To Get You Into My Life" was the ONLY good thing to come out of the Bee Gees Sgt. Pepper project. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Over the Hills and Far Away" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:08:12 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light / Pat Metheney(now njc) Bene, having synesthesia is a mixed blessing because you have to live with being misunderstood or an enigma at best. Many of us have lived with a lot of rejection because of it, yet I'm still happy to have it in my life. So no envy, okay? (smile) And music that makes you happy is what it's all about. It doesn't get any simpler than that! Sherelle >From: missblux@googlemail.com > >Hi again, > >and thanks for your mail. > >You know watching them perform is interesting because of the way they >interact, but I closed my eyes today and thought how different it >would have sounded if I had never seen them. It opens a whole new >dimension. I don't have synesthesia though, I can't even explain what >I see or don't see when I close my eyes. I'll try and think about it >though. I envy you for it..! > >Someone said I should watch 'A map of the World', apparently Metheny >made the music for it. My next project among many. > >I didn't know Don Alias had died recently - so that's half of them gone. > >Hey I'm glad you like The Bang! It feels like pretty simple music when >compared to Shadows & Light. But it makes me happy :-) > >Benedicte > > _________________________________________________________________ From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:21:19 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from Website Ummmm... OK. Please copy Karen on any responses. - -----Original Message----- I am doing a research paper for a class. My paper is on "Big Yellow Taxi." I can't seem to find anything on the line, "...a big yellow taxi took away my old man" can someone tell me what this is a reference to? Name: Karen email: dancingk@jesusanswers.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #72 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------