From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #70 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 070 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Saddest Song [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Sad Joan. [John Calimee ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: The Saddest Song [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Moni Kellermann ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Marion Leffler" ] NJC RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Saddest Song (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Saddest Songs [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: The Saddest Song njc [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Saddest Songs [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Lori Fye" ] Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Re: The Saddest Song [Smurf ] NJC Where are you? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Happy songs njc [NormaJean ] Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: NJC Where are you? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC Where are you? ["Lori Fye" ] Sad Songs njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Happy Valentines Day, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] [none] [casper56@nyc.rr.com] Re: Forest Hills concert ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: NJC Where are you? ["Hell" ] Re: NJC Where are you? [Catherine McKay ] alternative S&L Tree ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Sad Songs njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: saddest songs, and happy news! [MoVFTYite@aol.com] Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Sad Songs njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Sad Songs njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] HOSL and Mingus remasters [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Pandora Internet Radio NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Shadows and Light on dime a dozen [Davmar77@aol.com] RE: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Richard Flynn" ] Subject: HAPPY SONGS NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: The Saddest Song Although I haven't heard that song, Joey, Janis Ian is definitely the queen of sad songs. Those lyrics are heart wrenching. I could name a dozen of Ian's songs that would go in my top 20 saddest songs of all time. Tea & Sympathy, Stars, Jesse, At Seventeen. Mark in Sydney NP Water Colors - Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:15:48 -0600 From: John Calimee Subject: Sad Joan. For the life of me I don't find any of Joni's songs...'sad.' There is too much elegant reflection, introspection and refinement to the poetry. In contrast I find the emotional colors of several song passages to be deeply sad. Just as the opening chords to Hejira are 'evocative', I find the opening chords to Boderline achingly sad. It's as if the notes are mournful, if not wailing. Then the song kicks in, and the mood and high poetry are restored. But in those brief licks, so much emotional color. The same is true of introduction to Yvette in English. Those two brief intros would mesh brilliantly with a long sweeping shot of a Bergman film. Haunting and chilly. They fold one's spirit in, then comforts arrives in the elegance of her song structures. Tlog? Brilliant. Perhaps her finest performance to date. j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:33:03 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Could you pass on some more information on this book for us Europeans out here, publisher, author etc? Thanks! Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Richard Flynn" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > From: "Richard Flynn" > >>I don't get it, Randy. Am I the only person who thought this book was >> dreadful? > > SO FAR - but most people haven't read it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:52:06 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Forest hills 79 jazz band concert This concert is on Sugermegs now, resonable quality Pity it isnt stereo, Im trying improve it, The tape speed is to fast I didnt know that " God must be a Boogie man" on Shadows and Light came from this concert Listen for the "JONI" shout at the beginining, exactly the same place What concerts these were to have witnessed, I would have gone to all of them!!!! When you bear in mind that Peter Gabriel and Tori Amos have released 8 or more Live concerts CD's of recent tours, Tis a pity that all of the Joni Jazz band concerts wernt preserved for posterity, Or are they in someones Archive, I wonder. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:32:07 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Shadows and Light Michael wrote >>Incidentally, this is one of the few soundboards from that tour, currently on dimeadozen Laurent I saw that. With Pat and Jaco's solos cut, I to decided to pass it by. I listened to it last night. It is quite a refreshing change from S&L. First of all the tracks not included in S&L put the originality of the S&L ones in perspective IMO. I mean she starts with 2 older "hits" before moving on to newer material. Also Jaco & Michael play differently than on S&L , (especially on Dry Cleaner) which is the way it should be for true jazz musicians who are supposed to improvise. Joni & Pat I didn't hear much change from S&L but it makes one realize the perfection or I should say the magic which made the Santa Barbara performance the one that was immortalized. Bottom line is: if you are new to S&L this will not do much for you because the sound is obviously not as good (but still quite listenable as it is a soundboard with maybe 3 generations down). If you're like me and you cannot listen to S&L too often because you know it by heart then this is a highly recommended show that will give you another angle on it. It might be worth setting up a tree. I'll be happy to send it to the jmdler who writes me first, with promise to reoffer to the List. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:06:13 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: The Saddest Song OK. Here's my top 20 saddest songs: 1. At Seventeen - Janis Ian. 2. A New Life - Linda Eder. 3. Tin Angel - Joni 4. Photographs and Memories - Jim Croce 5. Watching Me Without You - Kate Bush 6. I Need You - Joan Armatrading 7. Sad Lisa - Cat Stevens 8. Her Town Too - James Taylor with JD Souther 9. For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her - Simon & Garfunkel 10. Jesse - Janis Ian 11. When Poets Dreamed of Angels - David Sylvian 12. Pictures of You - The Cure 13. Beauty and The Beast - Stevie Nicks 14. Blue - Joni 15. Cactus Tree - Joni 16. Beautiful Child - Fleetwood Mac 17. Last Chance Texaco - Rickie Lee Jones 18. Kid Fears - Indigo Girls with Michael Stipe 19. This Woman's Work - Kate Bush 20. Daniel - Elton John Mark in Sydney NP A Life (1895-1915) - Mark Hollis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:26:18 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Wie Marion Leffler so vortrefflich formulierte: > Could you pass on some more information on this book for us Europeans > out here, publisher, author etc? Thanks! http://www.33third.blogspot.com/ http://www.amazon.com/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ http://www.amazon.fr/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826417736/ref=nosim/cagnlace/ moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:00:31 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Speaking about books - I've just finished Bob Hinton's book on Joni, Both sides now. I know it's old (actually I have just recently begun to take an interest in Joni as a person and I am not sure that is a good thing because it changes the way I perceive her music - am I selfish?). Anyway, Hinton's book - what do you think? I got the impression that maybe it's not quite correct, he makes a lot of assumptions? Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moni Kellermann" To: "Marion Leffler" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > Wie Marion Leffler so vortrefflich formulierte: >> Could you pass on some more information on this book for us Europeans out >> here, publisher, author etc? Thanks! > > > http://www.33third.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.amazon.com/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ > > http://www.amazon.fr/Joni-Mitchells-Court-Spark-33/dp/0826417736/ > > http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826417736/ref=nosim/cagnlace/ > > > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:41:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Joni Mitchell's Court And Spark (Paperback, 2006) Author: Sean Nelson List Price: $9.95 Format: Paperback ISBN-10: 0826417736 Feb 2006 Publisher: Continuum Intl Pub Group 144 pages 33 1/3 Series Language: English Jerry > Could you pass on some more information on this book for us Europeans out > here, publisher, author etc? Thanks! > Marion > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Remote" > To: "Richard Flynn" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > > >> From: "Richard Flynn" >> >>> I don't get it, Randy. Am I the only person who thought this book was >>> dreadful? >> >> SO FAR - but most people haven't read it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:00:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Yes, but that's only because you're an English Professor, meaning that you're actually a frustrated writer and therefore always apt to judge someone who gets published & praised in a much harsher light than the rest of us. Kidding...I'm kidding. Nothing wrong with having a dissenting opinion obviously. 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I found that unique and actually back in the day he mentioned a couple of covers that I was unaware of. At the same time he lists a couple that are not valid (Barry McGuire & Sir Douglas Quintet among others). And even the worst books about Joni are enjoyable on some level. Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Are You Alright?" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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When I was working at Whole Foods regularly, I'd see Emily there all the time...Amy, never. Victor > 18. Kid Fears - Indigo Girls with Michael Stipe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:58:30 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: NJC RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Well, I'm a writer. I don't know if I'm frustrated. Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > dreadful?> > > Yes, but that's only because you're an English Professor, meaning that > you're actually a frustrated writer and therefore always apt to judge > someone who gets published & praised in a much harsher light than the rest > of us. > > Kidding...I'm kidding. Nothing wrong with having a dissenting opinion > obviously. > > Bob > > NP: Lucinda Williams, "Rescue" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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It makes my list as well. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:55:45 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Saddest Songs Great Thread.............. Needle and The Damage Done - Neil Young Taxi - Harry Chapin Marcie - Joni Sad Lisa - Cat Stevens Magazine - Ricki Lee So Far Away - Carole King I'm Losing You - Rod Stewart Thanksgiving - George Winston Willy - Joni Mitchell Things we said today - the Beatles - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:36:48 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: The Saddest Song njc Another nice one. He had a really pure quality to him. I was also thinking today of Chicago "Colour My World", such a melancholic song, Even more so when you consider the tragic passing of Terry Kath, who sang the lead, 8 years after it was released. In other cases, knowing the story behind the song, for instance "Tears in Heaven", adds a whole other layer of meaning to it, giving it such a powerful intensity that is so intangible. Victor] -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "mack watson-bush" > "Mark-Leon Thorne" wrote: > > . Photographs and Memories - Jim Croce > > Oh yeah Mark. I missed that one. It makes my list as well. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Not to worry, Marion - you didn't offend me, I was just having a go at you, that's why I put the little smiley-face after what I said. As for a collection of Joni's Interviews, if you haven't checked out the JMDL Library, it is phenomenal. You might be able to use the search engine to get at just the interviews. http://jmdl.com/library/ Happy reading! Bob aka "He who is hard to offend" NP: Ani, "Looking For The Holes" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Notaro" Subject: Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC Good Day Sunshine - Beatles Good Morning Star Shine - from Hair Jerry Kate Bennett wrote: > Walking On Sunshine (Katrina & the Waves) > I Can See Clearly Now (Jimmy Cliff) > The Finer Things (Stevie Winwood) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:32:02 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest Songs I know Joe Walsh isn't the first person you'd expect a sad song from (crazy and wild as he can be) but on the So What album, there's a song he wrote about the loss of his first daughter, "Song For Emma", which is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. The one just before it on the same album, "County Fair", is pretty sad in its own way- apparently about remembering a lost love. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:34:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Marion wrote: > (actually I have just recently begun to take an interest in Joni > as a person and I am not sure that is a good thing because > it changes the way I perceive her music - am I selfish?) No, and you're not the first person on this list to consider that. Knowing more about Joni can influence your perception of her music. Knowing more has never bothered me as far as my perception or love for Joni's music goes, as I almost immediately tried to learn more about her as soon as I bought my first Joni recording (Hejira, back in 1977). One can, perhaps, learn too much though. It's a double-edged sword (although fitting for the Queen of Duality). Proceed cautiously. : ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:37:33 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC Oh and anytime I watch "This Is Spinal Tap" all the songs make me happy because they make me laugh! Great film, that one! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: The Saddest Song Victor sez: <<. In other cases, knowing the story behind the song, for instance "Tears in Heaven", adds a whole other layer of meaning to it, giving it such a powerful intensity that is so intangible. >> This is also the case with "Little Green," which wouldn't have been on my "saddest" list if I hadn't learned the heart-wrenching details behind it. Such raw pain put to music . . . - --B - -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "mack watson-bush" > "Mark-Leon Thorne" wrote: > > . Photographs and Memories - Jim Croce > > Oh yeah Mark. I missed that one. It makes my list as well. > > mack _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:44:52 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Where are you? [My apologies if this is posted twice as I am not sure what happened to it after I typed it! Haha!] Anyway, we've got a lot of people on this list so I was wondering where everyone is from or located at? I'm in Ohio, pretty close to Cleveland. Second question--how's the weather where you are at? We just got pounded with a Winter storm that brought us 11 inches! So much so that my brother, sister, and I had to call off work today. Even the news said stay home if you can because there are no roads! Only snow! I just hope it all clears up by this evening because I've got a show tonight! However, I am going to have to clean off my car with a shovel. Oh how I despise Winter. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:47:39 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book first Joni recording (Hejira, back in 1977). One can, perhaps, learn too much though. It's a double-edged sword (although fitting for the Queen of Duality). Proceed cautiously. : ) - --------------------------------------------- Hello Marion. Welcome to the list. I, too, am trying to find out more about Joni. It's great to read interviews because then you actually get HER perspective rather than someone on the outside, know what I mean? And as far as a doube edged sword goes, yes, musicians are human beings, so remember that. I had a friend of mine who was a big Pink Floyd fan. Well, after he started getting into the bio of the band, he got so frustrated with the conflict in the band that he could no longer appreciate the music. He now no longer listens to Pink Floyd. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: Happy songs njc Satellites and Under The Boardwalk by Rickie Lee Jones Bloomdido by Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie Follow You All Over The World by Marti Jones Hotter Than That by Louis Armstrong Dippermouth Blues by King Oliver C Jam Blues by Duke Ellington Maria Maria by Willie Nelson Smooth by Carlos Santana Genius by Warren Zevon njeanne w/ Miles running that voodo down in the bitches' brew' ~awesome miles, beautiful!!~ - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > How could I forget- "Home " by Karla Bonoff (hi > Kate) > > > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > > > How could I forget- Long Ride Home by Patty > Griffin (hi Les). > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:13:05 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC Also sung by Mr. Burns on the Simpsons when he was mistaken for an alien, on the Springfield Files. BART: But what's with the glowing? BURNS: Um, I'll field that question. A life time of working in a nuclear power plant has given me a healthy green glow. And left me as impotent as a Nevada boxing commissioner. And now that I'm back to normal, I don't bring you peace and love, I bring you fear, famine, pestilence and... DR. NICK: Time for a booster. (He jabs Burns with a needle.) BURNS: (singing) Good morning, starshine. The earth says hello. From: "Gerald A. Notaro" > Good Morning Star Shine - from Hair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:15:12 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Where are you? Monika asked: > Anyway, we've got a lot of people on this list so I > was wondering where everyone is from or located at? I was born in Canton, Ohio, and grew up in North Canton (home of The Hoover Company, as in sweepers). Most of my family still lives around North Canton, and since that's only about 50 miles south of Cleveland they're probably trudging through some of the snow you just got, Monika. After joining the Air Force in 1976, I left Ohio and never lived there again. I lived a lot of places (Mississippi, North Dakota, Arizona, New Jersey, Germany, Texas, Virginia, Maryland) before ending up where I am today. In late 2005, I moved from Maryland to Northern California. My partner joined me last June, and in July we bought a house in Santa Rosa, which is about 60 miles north of San Francisco. The weather today is sunny and cool, temp right now is 49F (~10C) and it's expected to be 64F (~18C) today. I do not miss the "lake effect" snow of the Cleveland area even one little bit. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:16:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Where are you? I wrote: > I lived a lot of places I forgot Pennsylvania, which was after Texas but before Virginia. : ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:36:46 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Sad Songs njc The Long and Winding Road -The Beatles Unchained Melody- The Chambers Brothers Tears in Heaven- Eric Clapton With or Without You-U2 Everybody Hurts- REM The End- The Doors My City of Ruins- Bruce Springsteen Fire And Rain-James Taylor Hurt-Johnny Cash Are You Lonely Tonight- Elvis Presley Diamonds & Rust- Joan Baez Expecting To Fly- Buffalo Springfield So Long, Marianne- Leonard Cohen You Can Close Your Eyes-James Taylor Walk Away Renee- Left Banke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:17:20 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Happy Valentines Day, njc http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/14/love.science/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:01:33 -0500 From: casper56@nyc.rr.com Subject: [none] Shadows and Light I was actually in the second row for this tour at Forest HIlls, Queens. The Persuasions came down into the audience and I got to sing part of a song into one of their mikes! They were passing it around. This was before Joni came out. Divine concert. And I've been to several. Caz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:52:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Forest Hills concert At the Joni's Jazz concert in Central Park a few summers ago this particular concert was spoken of with extreme reverence. Jerry casper56@nyc.rr.com wrote: > Shadows and Light > > I was actually in the second row for this tour at Forest HIlls, Queens. > The > Persuasions came down into the audience and I got to sing part of a song > into > one of their mikes! They were passing it around. This was before Joni came > out. > Divine concert. And I've been to several. > Caz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:37:36 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: NJC Where are you? Monika wrote: > Anyway, we've got a lot of people on this list so I > was wondering where everyone is from or located at? I was born in Whangarei, New Zealand, then moved to Hamilton to attend university. Then I moved to our capital, Wellington, for six years. In 1994 I moved to Auckland and lived in the central city until about a year ago. I now own a small farm just outside Waiuku with my partner, 1 dog, 3 cats, 7 sheep, 3 cows, 5 calves, and about 45 chickens. It's a gorgeous summer's day, with hardly a cloud in the sky, and the temperature is around 18 C (64 F) but will probably get up to around 24 C (75 F) by the middle of the day. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Where are you? - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > [My apologies if this is posted twice as I am not > sure what happened to it > after I typed it! Haha!] Anyway, we've got a lot > of people on this list so I > was wondering where everyone is from or located at? ... Second question--how's the > weather where you are at? Toronto and we got a lot of snow, but probably nowhere near as much as they did outside the city. Often snowstorms seem to pass just north of us, and south of the lake. Not good driving weather, but I got rid of my car last year, and moved downtown in the summer, so I'm now a mere two-block walk from work, so no hassles with driving, shovelling or any of that. But I'm no fan of winter either. If it could snow just on the grassy areas, but not on roads, driveways or sidewalks, I'd enjoy it a bit more. However, the good news about lots of snow is that generally, the temps warm up a bit. It had been quite cold up until yesterday but, with the snow, came somewhat warmer weather. I think I may have a cup of hot chocolate when I get home. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:03:33 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: alternative S&L Tree A copy of Joni at Forrest Hills 79 (alternative S&L) will be on its way to Michael Paz, who will copy and reoffer to the List. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:55 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Sad Songs njc Unchained Melody- The Chambers Brothers I've never heard their version, Rosie. Is it psychedlicized? ;-) (I think you meant Righteous Brothers.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:15 EST From: MoVFTYite@aol.com Subject: Re: saddest songs, and happy news! On this lovely Valentine's Day it's ironic to be talking about sad songs, but then again, some of the songs I'm thinking of are from a love story -- has anyone ever seen the Elton John/Tim Rice version of the show "Aida"? I've seen it 3 times and can't get through it without tears. Perhaps the songs make more sense in the context of the show, but particularly the song "Elaborate Lives" is quite heart-wrenching. Also, I might have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone mention Beth Nielsen Chapman so far -- the song "Sand and Water" is another beautiful, sad song - the words and imagery seem fairly simple and yet the song goes so deep... For those of you who haven't heard the song, I found it online (it might take a bit of time to load): _http://www.musenashville.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/08-sand-and-water.mp3_ (http://www.musenashville.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/08-sand-and-water.mp3) As for Joni songs that are sad... oh goodness, one of the first ones that stands out in my mind (perhaps this is a bit too obvious) is Blue, because it's just so raw. I am one who hears the music first, the hints of "My Old Man" that are played in the song give it that sentimental attachment that adds even more dimension, and therefore more weight, to the sadness. Okay, I must balance this posting out with something happy -- I have made my flight arrangements and am in the process of registering to attend my first Jonifest!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm looking forward to meeting many of you there, and learning from you and being inspired and singing a lot (and probably sleeping very little!) Thank you to Les and Ashara, who have helped greatly in answering my questions, giving me encouragement, and causing the fence I was sitting on to become wobbly enough that I have now decided to jump "back to the garden". Angela :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:57:37 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Welcome, Marion. I'd be even harsher and say that Hinton's book is actually primarily a case of pastiche plagiarism from various journalists. Karen O'Brien's is the best bio (though I haven't read Mark Bego's). Bob is right about the discography having been useful in its day. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:08 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Marion, firstly a belated welcome to the group, and I join the chorus of folks who encourage you to continue chiming in as much as you like. As a Bob, I object to you referring to Brian Hinton as a Bob, but I'll give you a pass since you're a newbie. :o) And you're right - his book is pretentious and full of assumptions, and his biggest fault is that he doesn't even say "perhaps this song is about so-and-so", but rather states that his opinion is fact. A fatal flaw, I think. On the positive side, he has some nice appendices about her bootleg albums and covers. I found that unique and actually back in the day he mentioned a couple of covers that I was unaware of. At the same time he lists a couple that are not valid (Barry McGuire & Sir Douglas Quintet among others). And even the worst books about Joni are enjoyable on some level. Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Are You Alright?" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Sad Songs njc Rose said, << Unchained Melody- The Chambers Brothers >> Richard replied: << I've never heard their version, Rosie. Is it psychedlicized? ;-) (I think you meant Righteous Brothers.) >> Rose also wrote: : << Are You Lonely Tonight- Elvis Presley >> And now I am wise-crackin': I also like Elvis' "Are You Lonesome Tonight," Rosie. - --Smurf, wondering what they're smoking in Jersey _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:27:48 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad Songs njc it's all those drugs I did in the late 60's lol smart ass! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:25:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad Songs njc yes, those brothers lol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:41:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book And don't forget the old paperback from the 70's - "Joni Mitchell: Her Life, Her Loves". A funny little tabloid read. I haven't read the Bego book either and don't intend to. Bego cranks out these celeb-bios like so much confetti. Speaking of Karen O'Brien, she narrates a 2-hour CBC special on Joni's career that I also just got the audio for - it's very enjoyable and I'll be posting it at some point. But first, I've got another edition of Retro Covers to get out there. Bob NP: Built To Spill, "Gone" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Dave Blackburn Beat 'n Track Mastering Fallbrook, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:12:34 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Pandora Internet Radio NJC Brian, I have not heard of Pandora I.R. but it sounds interesting. As to your new uke; 1) find a teaching dvd of appropriate level (beginning unless you already play guitar). Maybe Homespun Tapes or do a google/amazon search. 2) make a deal with yourself to play 30 minutes minimum every day, and you will be cruisin' in no time. 3) disregard 1 & 2, find a teacher 4) disregard 1, 2, and 3 and make up your own tunings and pretend you are the Hawaiian Joni Mitchell. Strum on. RR From: > Hello Folks > I am working again in a quiet Architecture office and I am one person that > needs music to stimulate my brain. I discovered Pandora I. R. on which I > created a Joni Mitchell and friends station, what is great about Pandora > is it > slips in a lot of other singer songwriters like Ruthann Friedman, Anne > Briggs, > Judee Sills just to name a few. > > I just bought a black Lanaki Ukulele(LU21CE) if any one has good info on > learning to play one please email me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:41:25 EST From: Davmar77@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light on dime a dozen sounds pretty good to me.i wonder who would put up such a thing ? ;-) dave From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Shadows and Light Incidentally, this is one of the few soundboards from that tour, currently on dimeadozen Laurent JONI MITCHELL FOREST HILLS TENNIS STADIUM FOREST HILLS,NY AUGUST 25,1979 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:07:41 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book I missed "Joni Mitchell: Her Life, Her Loves." Sounds like something I'd want to read for its camp value. I just searched fetches a pretty penny, but too pretty for my pocketbook right now, _____ From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:41 PM To: Richard Flynn Cc: joni@smoe.org; 'Marion Leffler' Subject: Re: Brian HInton was RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book And don't forget the old paperback from the 70's - "Joni Mitchell: Her Life, Her Loves". A funny little tabloid read. I haven't read the Bego book either and don't intend to. Bego cranks out these celeb-bios like so much confetti. Speaking of Karen O'Brien, she narrates a 2-hour CBC special on Joni's career that I also just got the audio for - it's very enjoyable and I'll be posting it at some point. But first, I've got another edition of Retro Covers to get out there. Bob NP: Built To Spill, "Gone" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: HAPPY SONGS NJC "LightFlight" - Pentangle Em - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > Good Day Sunshine - Beatles > Good Morning Star Shine - from Hair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:00:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: HAPPY SONGS NJC Interesting pick, Kakki: >The Big Sky, Kate Bush> Yeah, I like that whole album. I'll add: "Sing A Simple Song" Sly & The Family Stone "Some Day, Some Way" Marshall Crenshaw "One of the Fortunate Few" Dilbert McClinton "Summer In the City" Lovin' Spoonful "Chelsea Morning" "Hello Goodbye" Beatles (for the sound, I guess) "Admiral Halsey" Mac "Back Seat Of My Car" Mac "Long Haired Lady" Mac "Apple Scruffs" Sir George Harrison "Wah Wah" Sir George Harrison (adrenaline song?) "Got My Mind Set On You" Sir Geo., with Jeff Lynne "Instant Karma" Sir John Lennon All of the non-singles on Yellow Submarine (Hey Bulldog, All Together Now, Only A Northern Song, etc) "Going For the One" Yes (adrenaline song?) "Mr. Blue Sky" Electric Light Orchestra "Blue Skies", as sung by Willie Nelson on "Stardust" "Sheraton Gibson" Pete Townsendt "Goin' Mobile" The Who "Louie Louie" ? "Me and My Arrow" Harry Nilsson "Big Time" Peter Gabriel R.E.M.'s "Stand", which brings it full circle to Sly & The Family Stone Jim L. np: Staple Singers "I'll Take You There", with Mavis out front ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:01:47 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: HAPPY SONGS NJC I picked "The Big Sky"!!! did Kakki pick it, too? thanks for mentioning Mr Blue Sky by ELO, Jim. I haven't thought about that song in years and years, but I'm gonna try to download it now from itunes. How's Dayton treating you? KEN - -----Original Message----- From: jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net To: joni@smoe.org Cc: kjhsf@aol.com Sent: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Subject: HAPPY SONGS NJC Interesting pick, Kakki: >The Big Sky, Kate Bush> Yeah, I like that whole album. I'll add: "Sing A Simple Song" Sly & The Family Stone "Some Day, Some Way" Marshall Crenshaw "One of the Fortunate Few" Dilbert McClinton "Summer In the City" Lovin' Spoonful "Chelsea Morning" "Hello Goodbye" Beatles (for the sound, I guess) "Admiral Halsey" Mac "Back Seat Of My Car" Mac "Long Haired Lady" Mac "Apple Scruffs" Sir George Harrison "Wah Wah" Sir George Harrison (adrenaline song?) "Got My Mind Set On You" Sir Geo., with Jeff Lynne "Instant Karma" Sir John Lennon All of the non-singles on Yellow Submarine (Hey Bulldog, All Together Now, Only A Northern Song, etc) "Going For the One" Yes (adrenaline song?) "Mr. Blue Sky" Electric Light Orchestra "Blue Skies", as sung by Willie Nelson on "Stardust" "Sheraton Gibson" Pete Townsendt "Goin' Mobile" The Who "Louie Louie" ? "Me and My Arrow" Harry Nilsson "Big Time" Peter Gabriel R.E.M.'s "Stand", which brings it full circle to Sly & The Family Stone Jim L. np: Staple Singers "I'll Take You There", with Mavis out front ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:04:02 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Love and Peace on Valentine's Day Happy Valentine's Day, all you Joni Sweethearts -- and even you mean old daddys, too! I am enjoying a snow/sleet day at home today. It's not only the pond that over-ices, it's the streets and the pinewood trees and the once-hissing lawns, too, all over New England and New York and beyond. Late in the afternoon I put on my overcoat and shoes and tromped out -- crunch (sink), crunch (sink), crunch (sink) -- to the mailbox. Unlike poor Marcie, there's been a letter delivered (still the winter days unfold). A Valentine, no less, from a JMDLer! So with sweet anticipation, I go back inside -- more crunch (sink), crunch (sink), crunch (sink). I settle down and open up the envelope, and then get tearful at the falling of a star from the card.....a peace crane! The handmade card is beautiful. On the front, there is French. On the inside, a personal message, sweet and to-the-point. On the back, the artist's tag/stamp says "Venus Rising". I laugh to myself at how the Joni perfection is denied: it really should say "Anima Rising". The peace crane is exquisite. Filigree on leaf and vine, vine and leaf are gold filigree. All the colors of the Joni rainbow, delicately folded into a crane. The most beautiful one I have ever seen. It hangs by a delicate gold thread, and at the bottom of the crane hangs a little crystal heart. Sweet inspiration to carry on....carry on against the war and the bloody changes. The insert that came with the crane tells the story of Sadako Sasaki. You can read it here, and see a picture: http://www.peacecraft.cc/story_of_sadako.html Engraved on the statue in her honor at Hiroshima Peace Park is this: "This is our cry, this is our prayer; peace in the world." (twisted TIC: My dreams with the peace cranes fly, not out of reach, not out of cry...) "Peace Crane, I will write peace on your wings and you will fly all over the world." -- Sadako Sasaki, age 12 And THAT makes me start singing: Peace crane I have seen you fly above the pilings I am smiling at your circles in the air I will come and sit by you while he lies sleeping Fold your fleet wings I have brought some dreams to share A dream that you love someone A dream that the wars are done.... My only channelled aspiration in sharing this gift with you all is to set these peace cranes flying -- inside and outside your heads. Like Joni dreamt about the bombers turning into butterflies across our nation....may they go forth and multiply across all the nations. Now who sent this crane, you wonder? It could be any one of you friends of spirit, so in that spirit, I am sending it back to all of you. The gift goes on. Love & peace cranes, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #70 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------