From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #67 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 13 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 067 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni and hip hop, my five pence [missblux@googlemail.com] Shadows and Light [missblux@googlemail.com] NJC Lea.... [missblux@googlemail.com] sad songs - njc ["Reckers, Lieve" ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Another JoniFest dream [PassScribe@aol.com] Saddest songs ["MIKE HICKS" ] Saddest songs ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Joni moments this past week or so ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: Saddest songs [Em ] Re: Saddest songs [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Saddest songs [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: The Saddest Song [NormaJean ] Intro and saddest songs ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Saddest songs ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard njc [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The 10 saddest songs I've ever heard njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight/Prince Super Bowl- NJC [Smurf <] Re: njc, Another Mitchell, and a missed Smurphy [Smurf ] RE: Saddest songs ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Saddest songs [hell@ihug.co.nz] Rickie Lee Jones free song NJC [Moni Kellermann ] Subject: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:46:36 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni and hip hop, my five pence Hi Kira, here is a long rant about Joni and hip hop, inspired by what you said below... I guess I got a bit carried away...! I can definitely see her incorporate rap. One of the things that always fascinated me about her singing, especially on Hejira, is how song comes flowing naturally from her as if she was just talking. Many of the lines in these songs sound more like 'talk' than 'poetry' to me. 'I went to Staten Island Sharon...' I am listening for the first time to Shadows and Light, the concert DVD, (thanks to Laurent!!), and there is a sequence where she kind of sings and talks at the same time, I don't know, maybe she raps? Does anyone know what the style is called? I don't know... I just think that the kind of poet she is I'd think she'd pay some attention to rap because some rappers are so eloquent with their words, and rap is spoken song and sung poetry at the same time. I am also thinking of her references to black culture. On the Shadows and Light DVD, there is a short sequence where she is dressed up as a black man, and there is that album cover where she is dressed like a 'brother'. I'm thinking of rap as not a recent phenomenon in music. When I listen to how smart someone like Louis Jordan is with his words (is you is or is you ain't my baby) I get the impression that juggling with words has deep roots in black culture. In any case, it would be fun if she reinvented herself as a hip-hopper!! The reactions on this list...! Yo man I see a black crow man.... Hehe Bene NP Louis Jordan Five guys named Moe - ------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:35:18 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 Wow, so many things to comment on. I, for one, am scared to hear Joni incorporate hip-hop music. I don't see how this can possibly go well, but we'll see. - - - Kira Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:04:25 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Shadows and Light Hi, so there was a Jonifest taking place last Saturday afternoon in Hampstead, London! Participants were Laurent and his daughter Eve who some of you have heard singing, myself, and a man named Bob completed the picture, no Jonifest without one I guess! We spent a lovely sunny afternoon together, bought a lot of scarves(...), and I got my copy of Shadows and Light. I promised to tell Sherelle what I think of the music. I don't even know what to say.... It's VERY GOOD MUSIC! Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker together - they fly! They are so tuned together and so... I don't know, sometimes I want them to stop because it completely goes over my head. How can people play music like that??! I like her stage appearance. I suddenly understood why my friend who is a jazz singer used to insist on dressing very moderately on stage although she is really beautiful and could easily attract all the attention. She used to say that she wanted her voice to be one of the instruments, or something similar. She did not want to stand out any more than the sax or the bass. Same thing with Joni playing with these people: she shines, and its obviously her music, but the orchestra is not built up to lift her up on a pedestal. What a cool woman... Wow...! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:07:40 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Lea.... Dang me, Laurent's daughter is called Lea...! Sorry Bn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:50:34 -0000 From: "Reckers, Lieve" Subject: sad songs - njc Like Smurph, I am still hundreds of mails behind, but am trying to get "with it" again. First time in more than 6 years that I have been behind more than the odd week or so. But what better than "sad songs" to lure me back into action? Jim may call himself the King of Pain, but I surely have a long career in the same specialised field too. In fact, I hope it was more a state of mind I suffered from in my teens and twenties, but I can certainly dip into it quite easily to dig up some sad songs. Yes, I agree with who-ever wrote it, that Jeff Buckley's Halleluiah (Cohen's song but Buckley's way of singing it) can magnify any emotion you're subject to when you hear it. It's just one of the most powerful songs ever. But Lilac Wine, on the same album, is by and of itself a truly sad song too. That's why it was one of my anthems, even when Elkie Brooks sang it. Some others: - - "As Tears Go By" by Marianne Faithful; - - "And in the Winter" by Janis Ian (woman trying to cope after lover has gone, and those lyrics: "And in the winter extra blankets for the cold, fix the heater, getting old" - oops, here come the tears...); - - "Man of the World" by Fleetwood Mac; - - "Ballad of the sad young men" by Roberta Flack; - - "Can't Live" by Harry Nilsson (before Maria Carey massacred it) - - especially chosen for my son Thomas. About that last song, I really MUST mention my boys again. When they were small and we often drove long distances in the car, the tape of Harry Nilsson's Greatest Hits was one of their favourites, so I played it regularly. One day, when it came to "Can't Live", Thomas, aged about 5 or 6 and sitting at the back, said out loud: "Oh that's so sad, mum." Long after the song had finished, he kept repeating: "That was such a sad song". It took a while before he could shift his mood and enjoy "Spaceman", "Me and my Arrow" and "Put the Lime in the Coconut" again... So hey, hello to everybody, happy New Year, and I hope to stay with it for the rest of 2007! Lieve in London. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. 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Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > This just in ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:08:06 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard... this week - --- Evelyne Dubois wrote: > These ones did it for me this past week... > 3-Bloody mother fucking asshole (Martha Wainwright) her father's (the bloody MFing asshole) song "Red Guitar" has choked me up a time or two. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:29:44 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Another JoniFest dream Hi, gang, I guess it must be on my subconscious mind but, for whatever reason, I just had another dream about the JoniFest. The last time, a couple of years ago, we were all gathered in a big old house on the North shore of LI, overlooking the LI sound. We were all sleeping on cots & sleeping bags throughout the rooms of the house; it was raining & the roof was leaking. Michael Paz was sleeping next to me and we kept moving our cots so the water leaking in would miss us. The best part was, Joni was THERE! Sleeping on a cot in the same room with us... weird, I know. This time, we were in another old house, somewhere near NYC, and one of the ladies in attendance was excited because she was relocating permanently to the area. The house was owned by an old man who everyone called "Grandpa," and once again, we were all sleeping on cots & sleeping bags throughout the various rooms. As we were trying to get to sleep, the soundtrack from Disney's "Fantasia" was playing on someone's CD player. No Joni present this time (maybe her cat was sick again ;-) Anyone into figuring out what dreams mean? See you all in six and a half weeks at the REAL JoniFest, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:13:19 -0500 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: Saddest songs Haven't posted in about a year but couldn't resist this one, and I had to add some lyrics too if you don't mind. It's good for me. The saddest songs I could think of are: George Jones - He Stopped Loving Her Today He stopped loving her today They placed a wreath upon his door. And soon they'll carry him away He stopped loving her today. You know she came to see him one last time. Oh and we all wondered if she would. And it kept running through my mind This time he's over her for good. :( Genesis - Ripples The face in the water looks up and she shakes her head as if to say. That it's the last time you'll look like today. Ripples never come back, they've gone to the other side. Dive to the bottom and go to the top to see where they have gone. Oh, they've gone to the other side. Moody Blues - Melancholy Man. Mike NP - Imogen Heap Aiken County Schools ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:07:18 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Saddest songs I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. It's hard to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I could listen to them conveniently somewhere. Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring me to tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak - that I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. depressing songs: 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) Two Grey Rooms Prelude in E Minor (Chopin) Pacing the Cage (Bruce Cockburn) This is Baghdad (Bruce Cockburn) songs that choke me up: Little Green I Saw a Stranger with your Hair (John Gorka) Love at the Five and Dime (Nanci Griffith) Deadwood, South Dakota (sung by Nanci Griffith) Move on and Sunday from Sunday in the Park with George The Beautiful Creatures are Going Away (Bruce Cockburn) Simple This Farewell (Beth Amsel) Beth has a lot of songs that choke me up actually (disclaimer: she's my best friend). This song was written after she lost a loved one suddenly. It's a waltz. If you want to hear it: http://www.bethamsel.org/song_pages/kindling_8.html I know, I know, this sounds like a shameless plug. I swear it's just one of the saddest songs. Simple This Farewell I hear a sweet refrain through the open screen I feel the season's upon me again how long has it been? You come and wake me, you wake me again come out and haunt through this hour with me in the coolness of the evening I won't tell a soul that you're here No one will know After all you found me again nimble your fingers you pluck at my grief an empty heart beats with relief the blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again One look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell The blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again one look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:38:35 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Joni moments this past week or so Joni moment # 1: There was a short discussion here about the new Court and Spark book and the author said he first heard Joni on AM Radio - the song 'Help Me'. Well that's how I first heard Joni - Help Me on AM radio - and it was one of those pivotal little moments in life that send you on a slightly different path than you would have been on without it. So that made me smile. That day turned out to be a long one and I felt under the weather and was exhausted, but I had to go to the pharmacy after work and I was dreading it b/c I was so beat. So I dragged my butt into the CVS and stood there for a moment trying to muster up some energy when "Help Me" came on over the loud speaker and everything got much better after that. Joni moment #2: That weekend I whisked my better half up to Vermont for an impromptu birthday celebration. We had a lovely time and I didn't want it to end, so I was determined to take the back roads home. All of them. No highways allowed. I put Hejira on and it was the perfect catalyst for an hour or so of bliss. Winding roads I'd never been on before, a fresh cover of snow, woods and farms, and new england main streets and the sun on it's way to setting. For once I didn't sing along, I just listened. And the great thing about Hejira is, even if you've listened to it for more than half your life, you *still* hear a lyric you never heard before, or you understand a song in a new way. Anyway, it was magical, and it's tough for me to capture in words (need Mags or Lucy or someone like that) but i had to share that with people that might actually understand the experience. Hejira and winter go hand and hand. Hm, if Hejira is winter, and HOSL is summer, what is spring and what is autumn? Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:41:57 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Saddest songs On 2/13/07, Em wrote: > > yeah that one piece of footage of Stills singing "4 and 20", where > someone in the audience is kind of giving him a hard time...its real > old..not sure if its Woodstock or Monterey...anyway that REALLY got to > me at the time I don't think I've ever heard that Em. Would love to. I do recall have a cassette somewhere and Stephen is playing the intro to Black Queen, and someone is goofing around and Stephen says in his cranky drawl, 'One thing the Blues ain't..is funny'. And the crowd goes nuts. Maybe that's on the box set? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Saddest songs yeah that one piece of footage of Stills singing "4 and 20", where someone in the audience is kind of giving him a hard time...its real old..not sure if its Woodstock or Monterey...anyway that REALLY got to me at the time. Em - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. > It's hard > to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I > could > listen to them conveniently somewhere. > > Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring > me to > tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak > - that > I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. > > depressing songs: > 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:09:45 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Saddest songs When I had my first acid trip in Mexico I was listening to Deja Vu in headphones and this song came on...it sounded so depressing and bleak. Victor > depressing songs: > 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Saddest songs Off the top of my head: Most of "Blue" Emmy Lou Harris's version of "No Regrets" Damien Rice: Lots, but I'll just go with "The Blower's Daughter" Ricki Lee Jones's version of "Coming Back to Me" Jane Siberry: It Won't Rain all the Time so many more .... Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:12:46 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard njc Darnit, who started this thread? I have been sobbing all morning. Here is my list. Had to open some scabs for this. Oh yes, there is still one that I remember, remember him I do. Some already listed here by other wise souls. In no particular order but all have made me cry, countless times. - --Can't Take Your Memory - Don Johnson Yes, the t.v. guy. He's pretty and not the best singer that ever was but he nails this tune. Hell, u can take it all and u did but you can't take the memory. That's mine. 'You're still in my heart' - --Where does the lovin go? - David Gates 'tell me where is another chance, like the one with you tell me where can i find someone, someone just like you' - --Before my heart finds out - Gene Cotton 'well before we say our last goodbyes, baby won't you hold me just one more time?' - ---Company - Rickie Lee Jones Perhaps the most painful of all. Can hardly bear to listen to this one. 'we'll never be the same, I know I'll never have this chance, not like you, not like you' NOT LIKE YOU, NOT LIKE YOU - --Don't cry for me - Lisa Stansfield 'the birds don't sing the same anymore, they always sounded happy before, but now there's something missing, cuz they don't see me kissing you no more' - --The last Dance - Gino Vannelli 'say you'll grant me one more wish before u go' 'let me whisper in your ear' 'give me one last dance, around the floor' Mack is crying now. He cries and cries and nothing can ever make it better. - ----How much i feel - ambrosia 'just give me the sign and I will be gone' 'sometimes we make love, i still see YOUR face' - ---i could never miss u (more than I do) - lulu 'if i search the whole world over, you're the one that i need the most' 'who would take the place of you' - ----Remember Me - Diana Ross 'bye baby, see u around' 'but don't forget me in your tender thoughts' - ---Inclined - melissa manchester 'you are a song seller, a story teller, a dream vendor. we could have cared for each others dreams, now i'm inclined to let my dreams take care of their own.' 'this is not a happy love, but the sad, quiet kind nowhere bound' - ----The Love I Lost - Teddy Pendergrass 'You go your way and I'll go mine' - ----Neither one of us - Gladys Knight ".............to say 'Goodbye'................" - --On Rainy Afternoons - Barbra Streisand - ----Scenes from an Italian Restaurant - Billy Joel 'I'll meet you anytime u want in our italian restaurant.' Some can't face the reality of their lives. I know that I will never again be truly happy without him. And to my grave will I go in that state. But the sun still shines, on some days. And so it goes. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:39:28 EST From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: The Saddest Song I Believe Easily the Saddest Tune Ever Written is a Track on one of Janis Ian's Unreleased Archive Series Cd's. Titled "Morning Alone, After You." She Writes For a Friend who had Lost Her Only Child. " People say I'm Crazy For Hanging on so Long But How can I Get Over You When Your Not Really Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:05:37 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: The 10 saddest songs I've ever heard njc 1.) Like a River - Carly Simon 2.) This Woman's Work - Kate Bush 3.) I was Watching You - Rosanne Cash 4.) What we really Want (Live Version) - Rosanne Cash 5.) On the Surface - Rosanne Cash (my girl Rosanne makes me really sad, apparently) 6.) Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You? - Stevie Nicks (not so much the song but the story behind it regarding Joe Walsh and his deceased daughter - read it here and tell me it doesn't sock you in the gut: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=4763 7.) The Last Song - Elton John 8.) Glory - can't remember the singer - Adam Pascal? from RENT 9) I Can't Make You Love Me - Bonnie (always leaves me sad) 10.) I'd really love to see you tonight - England Dan and John Ford Coley (LOL, I couldn't resist) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: Saddest songs I forgot to mention one of my all time favorite sad songs. Willie Nelson's, Turn Out The Lights. The original version from way back in the early Sixties. My siblings and I were enraptured with this sad "the party's over" song. We had it on a 45 and were stuck on that song over and over on that big stereo console for most of our childhood. ~We can't find the original version anymore Any help, anybody? Please! Maybe the original was just too country. But remember, I'm a country station constantly waving over to Willie. A Willie Nelson country wildflower. I'm also a little bit corny but I LOVE Willie most of all! My number 1 sweet, mean ol' daddy!!! Willie is most definitely in my blood like holy wine, eternally. I love my sweet mean ol' daddy like y'all cannot believe. I'm listening to his latest. There's this beautiful song called, 'Songbird.' It's a bittersweet song about true love which brings tears to my eyes and joy to my soul. And, I dedicate this song to Joni. It's just that in our dreams we fly and fly and fly, across raging rivers to reach the ones we love.. njeanne For you, there'll be no more cryin' For you, the sun will be shinin' And I feel that when I'm with you It's all right I know it's right... To you, I'll give the world To you To you, l'll give the world I'll never leave home Cause I feel that when I'm with you It's alright I know it's all right I give the world to you I never leave home Because I feel when I'm with you I know it's all right And the songbirds are singing like they know the score And I love you, I love you, I love you like never before And I wish you all the love of the world But most of all I wish it for myself And the songbirds keep singing like they know the score And I love you like never before.. I surely do love this twin sister of spirit, truth and beauty... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: The Saddest Song This is most beautiful! I've always liked Janis Ian. Thank you! How true. One abortion can dry up the spirit and drench you with eternal pain It nearly did me in I tried to die with her After she was sucked out of me And I got so damn hurt when I heard Joni gave Kilauren up for adoption "Where was all the love you talk about, Joni?", I thought And I thought I'd leave her side when I found out But then I realized she was filled with more love than I could have ever been filled for her child For she let her baby girl live and I let my baby girl go from me straight to heaven without ever knowing her Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa, little girl I'm so sorry.. Please don't have abortions, girls. Be careful, all ye fair maidens. Believe me, abortions kill the soul faster than the speed of sound ~Cause I feel when I'm with you, little girl It's all right And I love you, I love you, I love you, little girl, like never before.. And I wish you all the love in the world But most of all I wish this love for myself and for my lost little green... And for you, there'll be no cryin' And for you the Son's always shinin' His radiant glory... And I love you, I love you, I LOVE YOU, My Little Green Like never, ever before,,, You're in me like holy wine.. And your spirit feels so very tender and so bitter and so very sweet,, And that's just the way it is, little darlin'.. My very own little green... Way up in the sky, little darlin'.. :(:::::: me, with Joni and Rickie Lee and those eternally flowin' tears and fears.. - --- JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com wrote: > I Believe Easily the Saddest Tune Ever Written is a > Track on one of Janis > Ian's > Unreleased Archive Series Cd's. Titled "Morning > Alone, After You." She Writes > For a Friend who had Lost Her Only Child. > > " People say I'm Crazy > For Hanging on so Long > But How can I Get Over You > When Your Not Really Gone" > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:14:12 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Intro and saddest songs Hi everyone, and thank you Lori and Kate for encouring me to take part in the discussions. Lori asked for an introduction so here it is: I am in Sweden (where Joni wasn't that well known in the sixties and seventies but received the Polar prize some years ago, anyway). My first encounter with Joni's music was in England in 1970, when a newfound friend played the album Clouds. I was completely taken by the words, the music and Joni's voice and way of singing. And that's the way it still is. As for the saddest songs poll on this list I must say that I find it very hard to chose from Joni's songs since she has written so many really moving ones. But I can pick out the saddest lines. They are from Down to you: oh, love is gone written on your spirit this sad song love is gone. If you take the word love in these lines to refer to more than just romantic love the feeling of sad emptiness can nearly make your heart stop beating. Yet, I don't feel that Joni's sad songs are depressing since they always have some comforting element, something that tells you she (and therefore you, too) can work through it all. It's down to you. Other sad songs I play repeatedly are: So long, Marianne (Leonard Cohen) Hey, that's no way to say goodbye (LC) Bright eyes (Art Garfunkel) Smoke and ashes (Tracy Chapman) Okay, this is a bit long, so bye for now. I do enjoy this list! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:37:45 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Saddest songs Glad to see someone mention Emmylou. One could compile a great sad songs list just from her back catalogue but a personal favorite is A River For Him from her much overlooked album Bluebird. This one she wrote herself and it will really make you feel. Harris doesn't talk about her personal life much but I suspect this one had to do with the end of her marriage to songwriter Paul Kennerly. Then if one can find a reasonably priced and decently mastered copy of her album White Shoes, she does a cover of Donna Summer's On The Radio where she totally transforms the track into something Ms. Summer only dared dream it could be (and no I'm not knocking Ms. Summer at all, other than she doesn't seem to want to record anymore). Bruce in AZ >Off the top of my head: > >Most of "Blue" > >Emmy Lou Harris's version of "No >Regrets" > >Damien Rice: Lots, but I'll just go with "The Blower's Daughter" >Ricki Lee Jones's version of "Coming Back to Me" > >Jane Siberry: It Won't Rain >all the Time > >so many more .... > >Michael Flaherty >_____________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new >Mail arrives. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:51:32 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC I would like to check it out-more for your review, Jerry, than for last night's performance, which I was not moved by, one way or another. "Falling Up" seemed to be a half-baked composition-a short verse (incomprehensibly mumbled) and many repetitions of the title. Mrs. Remote, also a Rickie fan declared it "terrible". So you didn't miss much imo. What's your take on the CD in general? RR > Damn. Why do I get these the next morning :) I just got the deluxe version > of her new cd/dvd and actually thought of you Randy while watching the > dvd. It is all about the recording of the album and I was amzed at the > quality of the sound and the remarkable mixing. You must get it. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Shadows and Light Dear Bene, Thanks so much for letting me know what you think of Shadows and Light! I'm so happy you feel the same way I do about it! Yes! Jaco and Michael do fly together and Pat and Don's solos are heavenly! A friend I made in West Virginia was at one of those shows that was taped. He said that the sound of the Persuasions and Joni together singing "Shadows and Light" was absolutely unbelieveable! He said you had to be there to truly feel how intense that song was! Of course he had me drooling because this is my dream concert. For me, a show doesn't get any better than this one! I'm so happy that your Jonifest went well! Claudia San Soucie had a mini one when Michael Paz stopped in Baltimore last week and it was nice as well! Love, Sherelle >From: missblux@googlemail.com > >Hi, > >so there was a Jonifest taking place last Saturday afternoon in >Hampstead, London! Participants were Laurent and his daughter Eve who >some of you have heard singing, myself, and a man named Bob completed >the picture, no Jonifest without one I guess! > >We spent a lovely sunny afternoon together, bought a lot of >scarves(...), and I got my copy of Shadows and Light. > >I promised to tell Sherelle what I think of the music. I don't even >know what to say.... > >It's VERY GOOD MUSIC! Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker together - >they fly! They are so tuned together and so... I don't know, sometimes >I want them to stop because it completely goes over my head. How can >people play music like that??! > >I like her stage appearance. I suddenly understood why my friend who >is a jazz singer used to insist on dressing very moderately on stage >although she is really beautiful and could easily attract all the >attention. She used to say that she wanted her voice to be one of the >instruments, or something similar. She did not want to stand out any >more than the sax or the bass. Same thing with Joni playing with these >people: she shines, and its obviously her music, but the orchestra is >not built up to lift her up on a pedestal. What a cool woman... > >Wow...! > >Benedicte _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:17 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard njc I'll take credit for that, though shortly after I posted the original list, Monica jumped right in enthusiastically and the rest, as they say, is history... Victor, in unusually good humor today -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "mack watson-bush" > Darnit, who started this thread? I have been sobbing all morning. Here is > my list. Had to open some scabs for this. Oh yes, there is still one that > I remember, remember him I do. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:57:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC It is not uncommon for her to receive such comments, even from me in the past. I guess it is just her way. But as bad as she can seem is also as great as she can be. The DVD and booklet explain the lyrics and their content and origin. If I tried to describe it it would sound trivial. I would highly recommend the cd, and especially the DVD for you to view. The package also contains the entire cd in Hi Rez stereo, Hi Rez Mp3's and 5.1 Surround. Very cutting edge technology. Jerry > I would like to check it out-more for your review, Jerry, than > for last night's performance, which I was not moved by, one > way or another. "Falling Up" seemed to be a half-baked > composition-a short verse (incomprehensibly mumbled) and many > repetitions of the title. Mrs. Remote, also a Rickie fan declared > it "terrible". So you didn't miss much imo. > What's your take on the CD in general? > RR > >> Damn. Why do I get these the next morning :) I just got the deluxe version >> of her new cd/dvd and actually thought of you Randy while watching the >> dvd. It is all about the recording of the album and I was amzed at the >> quality of the sound and the remarkable mixing. You must get it. >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:01:34 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Saddest songs njc Celebration at Big Sur? Where Stills goes down and gets into a shoving match with the guy, and they have to pull him back? The "blues ain't..is funny" Black Queen, yes I think that is from the CSN box. From: "Jenny Goodspeed" > On 2/13/07, Em wrote: >> >> yeah that one piece of footage of Stills singing "4 and 20", where >> someone in the audience is kind of giving him a hard time...its real >> old..not sure if its Woodstock or Monterey...anyway that REALLY got to >> me at the time > > I don't think I've ever heard that Em. Would love to. I do recall have a > cassette somewhere and Stephen is playing the intro to Black Queen, and > someone is goofing around and Stephen says in his cranky drawl, 'One thing > the Blues ain't..is funny'. And the crowd goes nuts. Maybe that's on the > box set? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:16:52 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The 10 saddest songs I've ever heard njc From: "Robert Procyk" > 6.) Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You? - Stevie Nicks (not so much > the song but the story behind it regarding Joe Walsh and his deceased > daughter - read it here and tell me it doesn't sock you in the gut: > http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=4763 Walsh's "Song For Emma" must qualify as one of the saddest ever. You were with us for a while and He took you, and He made your mama cry. I can see it in her eyes, there's a question as to why And after all this time still I find that I'm without an answer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:14:29 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Another Mitchell, and a missed Smurphy Bonjour, Joniami(e)s! My eyes lit up when I saw this headline in our student newspaper today, but alas, it was another.... "Mitchell Shows Folk Music At Its Brightest By Jessica DeAngelis Issue date: 2/13/07 Section: Focus Armed with only a guitar, and backed at times by faint cello, viola or banjo, songwriter Anais Mitchell lets her unusual voice speak for itself on her new album, "The Brightness." Continuing in the tradition of the folk troubadour, Mitchell's minimalist, homemade sound emphasizes the words that she sings and the stories that she has to tell. "The Brightness" is Mitchell's third album, but her first on a prominent label. Mitchell is the "new babe" on Ani Difranco's Righteous Babe record label. She was signed to the label last year, joining the ranks of the slightly-offbeat vein of artists that Difranco favors. Born in rural Vermont, Mitchell's travels have taken her to places all over the globe like Cairo, Beirut and Latin America, where she has studied language and world politics." More here: http://media.www.dailycampus.com/media/storage/paper340/news/2007/02/13/Focus/Mitchell.Shows.Folk.Music.At.Its.Brightest-2716242.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailycampus.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&mkey=2200900 (It that doesn't work and you want more, let me know and I'll cut and paste it for you.) Also, yesterday's Daily Campus had a piece on the "punk rock, Celtic folk and hardcore rock band formed in 1996 in the Irish Catholic working class neighborhood of South Boston" named the "Dropkick Murphys." They performed at UConn Saturday night. I'm really hurt that SMurphy was here and did not call me. I'm gonna have to write a sad song about that. Blue Boy-ooo or something like that.... Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo  buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Saddest songs njc thats its! Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Celebration at Big Sur? Where Stills goes down and gets > into a shoving match with the guy, and they have to pull > him back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight/Prince Super Bowl- NJC Hi, Jerry. Don't forget YouTube is a great resource at times like this. (And that reminds me that I need to check for Prince's Super Bowl halftime performance that I have heard so much about.) - ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerald A. Notaro To: Randy Remote Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:37:10 AM Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC Damn. Why do I get these the next morning :) I just got the deluxe version of her new cd/dvd and actually thought of you Randy while watching the dvd. It is all about the recording of the album and I was amzed at the quality of the sound and the remarkable mixing. You must get it. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > This just in _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc, Another Mitchell, and a missed Smurphy Patti, dear . . . I heard of Anais Mitchell just last weekend, when I think she was performing in Boston or Cambridge. What I heard was that she made up her name from combining Anais Nin and Joni Mitchell. (Although I like the sound of Joan Nin myself!) XO, - --Smurf - ----- Original Message ---- From: Patti Parlette To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:14:29 PM Subject: njc, Another Mitchell, and a missed Smurphy Bonjour, Joniami(e)s! My eyes lit up when I saw this headline in our student newspaper today, but alas, it was another.... "Mitchell Shows Folk Music At Its Brightest By Jessica DeAngelis Issue date: 2/13/07 Section: Focus Armed with only a guitar, and backed at times by faint cello, viola or banjo, songwriter Anais Mitchell lets her unusual voice speak for itself on her new album, "The Brightness." Continuing in the tradition of the folk troubadour, Mitchell's minimalist, homemade sound emphasizes the words that she sings and the stories that she has to tell. "The Brightness" is Mitchell's third album, but her first on a prominent label. Mitchell is the "new babe" on Ani Difranco's Righteous Babe record label. She was signed to the label last year, joining the ranks of the slightly-offbeat vein of artists that Difranco favors. Born in rural Vermont, Mitchell's travels have taken her to places all over the globe like Cairo, Beirut and Latin America, where she has studied language and world politics." More here: http://media.www.dailycampus.com/media/storage/paper340/news/2007/02/13/Focus /Mitchell.Shows.Folk.Music.At.Its.Brightest-2716242.shtml?sourcedomain=www.da ilycampus.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&mkey=2200900> (It that doesn't work and you want more, let me know and I'll cut and paste it for you.) Also, yesterday's Daily Campus had a piece on the "punk rock, Celtic folk and hardcore rock band formed in 1996 in the Irish Catholic working class neighborhood of South Boston" named the "Dropkick Murphys." They performed at UConn Saturday night. I'm really hurt that SMurphy was here and did not call me. I'm gonna have to write a sad song about that. Blue Boy-ooo or something like that.... Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo .live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:00:29 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Saddest songs I think I told this story here before, but in 1966, when I was 11, I learned "The Circle Game" off of Ian & Sylvia's _So Much for Dreaming_ album. I played it for my mother, who burst into tears. Thereafter, she'd always ask me to play it and always cry when I did, till one day I said, "No, I don't want to play that. It always makes you cry." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:07 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Saddest songs I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. It's hard to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I could listen to them conveniently somewhere. Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring me to tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak - that I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. depressing songs: 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) Two Grey Rooms Prelude in E Minor (Chopin) Pacing the Cage (Bruce Cockburn) This is Baghdad (Bruce Cockburn) songs that choke me up: Little Green I Saw a Stranger with your Hair (John Gorka) Love at the Five and Dime (Nanci Griffith) Deadwood, South Dakota (sung by Nanci Griffith) Move on and Sunday from Sunday in the Park with George The Beautiful Creatures are Going Away (Bruce Cockburn) Simple This Farewell (Beth Amsel) Beth has a lot of songs that choke me up actually (disclaimer: she's my best friend). This song was written after she lost a loved one suddenly. It's a waltz. If you want to hear it: http://www.bethamsel.org/song_pages/kindling_8.html I know, I know, this sounds like a shameless plug. I swear it's just one of the saddest songs. Simple This Farewell I hear a sweet refrain through the open screen I feel the season's upon me again how long has it been? You come and wake me, you wake me again come out and haunt through this hour with me in the coolness of the evening I won't tell a soul that you're here No one will know After all you found me again nimble your fingers you pluck at my grief an empty heart beats with relief the blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again One look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell The blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again one look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:01:11 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Saddest songs OK, OK! Today's list in no particular order: "Loving You Again" - (written by Roger Ferris) as done by Emmylou Harris. "Old Folks" - (Jaques Brel) as done by Michael Johnson "857-5413" - Greg Brown "Strange Fruit" - John Martyn's version is particularly painful. "Ruby's Arms" and "Train Song" - Tom Waits (I've always thought of these two songs as one) "Beloved Wife" - Natalie Merchant "Lush and Green" - Paul Westerberg aka Grandpaboy "The Angel in the House" - The Story "Late for the Sky" - Jackson Browne "Frank's Song" - Stryngs "Promises" - Lyle Lovett ..and you know there may be more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:34:18 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Saddest songs Jenny wrote: > I don't think I've ever heard that Em. Would love > to. I do recall have a cassette somewhere and > Stephen is playing the intro to Black Queen, and > someone is goofing around and Stephen says in his > cranky drawl, 'One thing the Blues ain't..is > funny'. And the crowd goes nuts. Maybe that's > on the box set? Yep, it's on the box set. On the subject of sad songs, here's one of my top (bottom?) 10 - all the more poignant when you know Graham wrote it the day he and Joni split up... Simple Man - Graham Nash I am a simple man So I sing a simple song Never been so much in love And never hurt so bad at the same time. I am a simple man And I play a simple tune I wish that I could see you once again Across the room like the first time. I just want to hold you I don't want to hold you down I hear what you're saying and you're spinning my head around And I can't make it alone. The ending of the tale Is the singing of the song Make me proud to be your man only you can make me strong Like the last time. I just want to hold you I don't want to hold you down I hear what you're saying and you're spinning my head around And I can't make it alone. More from my sad songs list still to come... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:09:48 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Rickie Lee Jones free song NJC RLJ's record company New West is offering a track from Rickie Lee Jones new album as a free mp3 (128 kbs) download. Get "Elvis Cadillac" here: http://newwestrecordsmedia.com/download.php?file=rickiecast/ElvisCadillac.mp3 Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:17:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Subject: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight (NJC) Hi Randy, I didn't know she was going to be on Letterman and caught her performance quite by accident! She was very good! I didn't even recognize her until she started singing then I knew! She was minus the bert last night! Very good! Sherelle From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight This just in _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Saddest songs Speaking of Emmylou, for a long time, I would cry whenever I heard "Boulder to Birmingham." Also her version of Danny Flowers's "Before Believing." I was pretty obsessed with Emmylou. Post-Gram and pre-"Pieces of Sky," I saw her countless times at local DC clubs: CHildre Harold, Red Fox Inn, Mr Henry's Tenley Circle. She has heartbreak built into that still-lovely voice of hers. NP Lucinda Williams _West_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:00:21 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight - NJC I was road-tripping this weekend and spun the new Rickie Lee through about 5 times. It's certainly an interesting project, but I would imagine that casual Rickie Lee fans would hate it and even the more intense fans would have a hard time coming to terms with it. Musically, most of it is not very compelling - the opening track for example which drones on with a 3-chord riff much like a Lou Reed song would do (not meaning to diss Lou Reed with that comment). Most of the other songs are similarly textured; there's not really a discernible melody but instead simply riffing. Probably no one besides Joseph will get the Jandek reference but that's what it reminds me of, except that on this record the guitars are tuned instead of untuned. Lyrically, it's awfully difficult to make out a lot of what she saying - there are a couple exceptions, the one where she deals with prayer is very clear and powerful - unfortunately that's not the case with most of the songs. I'm filing this one alongside Ghostyhead and when I want to hear RLJ it'll be her other releases. I appreciate what she was going for, it's not something I want to hear very often. Bob NP: Joni, "Band Introduction" (from S&L) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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