From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #65 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 12 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 065 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Album covers [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Edith and The 10 Saddest Songs I've Ever Heard [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 [Snapple1984@aol.com] Carjacking alert [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] NJC Your favorite singers? ["mia _" ] Re: Carjacking alert = urban legend (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Album Covers [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot [Smurf ] Re: They should be deported or better yet shot njc ["Randy Remote" ] Shuck and jive ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Album covers ["Lori Fye" ] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" NJC ["Kate B] Re: Album covers ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Album covers [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" NJC [NormaJe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:37:20 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Album covers Ooh Monika. I like this subject. As CD cover designing is my hobby, I'd like to weigh in on this one. Although I love Joni's art, her best album cover is Blue. The photograph (taken by Henry Diltz I believe) is simple and captures a moment so well that must have spoken to him of the mood of that album. It sure captures it for me. The darkness and the strain on Joni's face. It was apparently a photograph of Joni performing on stage. I have a copy of it which includes the microphone stand. To me, it is one of the most recognisable album covers in history and one of the most striking. Mark in Sydney On 12/02/2007, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Album covers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:42:41 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and The 10 Saddest Songs I've Ever Heard Usually it's the words, but sometimes just the impossibly beautiful-gloomy music. Funny how almost all these lists are dominated by women: I guess we menfolk don't do naked honesty quite so profoundly. In no particular order (and I was damned hard-pressed not to include 10 Jonis: Planet Joni has always seemed such a sad place.) Joni - Edith and The Kingpin - "You know they dare not look away..." Joni - Harry's House/Centrepiece - "Paper their walls, to keep their gut reactions hid" Joni - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow - "It takes a heart like Mary's these days when your man gets weak" Laura Nyro - I Am The Blues - sadder than a miserable Basset Hound who's just learned he has to have his ears lopped off Eddie Hinton - I Can't Be Me - how DO you recapture the you when that you has been spurned? Rickie Lee Jones - Livin' It Up - nostalgia was never so bittersweet Fleetwood Mac - Gypsy - self-knowing girl from wrong side of tracks meets Lindsay Buckingham's chillingly-plaintive guitar chimes on the darkest of winter nights The Who - The Song Is Over - after denial, eventually, comes acceptance Todd Rundgren - Past - It's a dangerous place Bobby Goldsboro - Honey - I know. But losing your partner to the Grim Reaper, I would imagine, is immeasurably worse than being spurned. Probably best described as being spiritually raped, I should imagine. Do you ever get over it? I hope I never find out. Love Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:43:33 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Smurf said, >>Sad? How about pathetic? "Crying" by Roy Orbison << what about Rebekka del Rio's version from Mulholland Drive? >>"Sister Morphine" by the Stones << I prefer Marianne Faithfull's version >>"Danny Boy" by anyone<< I have to object to this, although I agree that Diana Krall's version on 'Tears of Stone' was truly, truly awful; good thing it's the last track. mike in bcn np Ron Blake - Sonic Tonic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:16:43 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Re: NJC Your favorite singers? Hi Monika, Two of your choices I must chime in on: David Ruffin was PHENOMENAL! His performance on his solo hit Walk Away From Love never fails to raise the hairs on the back of my neck - in fact it may be responsible for them turning grey. The way he suddenly nails that falsetto note on the first chorus is an "ooh" moment; come the second chorus, you're sort of expecting it, but he goes and flies even higher. Truly stunning. Roger Waters? Man, you have GOT to be kidding! Ah well, horses for courses, but I really don't like Waters's singing, which to my ears is at best bearable. David Gilmour, on the other hand, is rather underrated, I think. Lovely timbre. My own favourite singers, if I had to limit it to an arbitrary ten and go on the singing rather than the quality of the songs, probably wouldn't include Joni, great though she is. It would go something like this (in no particular order): Christine Collister - some of the JMDLers will know her through a few Joni covers. I've loved her voice for twenty years, and as a live performer I've never seen anyone who moves me quite as much. Check out her version of Jackson Browne's For A Dancer, recorded with Clive Gregson. Laura Nyro - even Joni has to acknowledge her greatness! Try the wonderful Poverty Train, or the truly harrowing Been On A Train - the very embodiment of intensity. Marvin Gaye - Hardly a controversial choice. So many superb vocals, in so many different styles. My personal favourite is the last song on Let's Get It On, Just To Keep You Satisfied. Actually, despite the exquisiteness of the song and the vocal, the bit that gets me most is when he speaks over the fade, "Ah, I guess all we can do is we can both try to be happy." Sorry, I think I've got something in my eye... Aretha Franklin - Obvious again. I really love a song on a not-very-good album from 1979 called Sweet Passion, called No One Could Ever Love You More. David Bowie - bit of a hero of mine. The centrepiece of the Diamond Dogs album [Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (Reprise)] is an astounding turn from a man who, for all his fame and fortune, hasn't really been given his due as a vocalist. Cassandra Wilson - I'm not an expert on her and haven't seen her live, but have a couple of albums, enough to make me adore her voice, one of the most sensuous I've ever heard. She transforms U2's Love is Blindness, which was already pretty good. Sandy Denny - the sound of Autumn. Who Knows Where The Time Goes is the song I want played at my funeral. Shawn Colvin - Another superlative live performer, with an unorthodox, effortless, elastic voice full of light and shade, sweet and wry. I know I'm always banging on about this, but her version of You're Gonna make me Lonesome When You Go is my favourite Dylan cover ever. Ron Sexsmith - another unusual voice, and one that always sounds as if it's about to go out of tune, but just about makes it. The first song on his first album, Secret Heart, is as good a place as any to start being charmed by him. Tim Buckley - partly to be contrary, as he's almost been forgotten amid the hubbub over his son - and Jeff is right up there, I must admit. Tim gets the nod as his voice, in addition to being extraordinarily powerful and having a huge range and sensual attack, is deeply strange, other-worldly. Quite spooky, in fact. Try any song from the fabulous Dream Letter live album. That's enough from me. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Album covers gotta heave forth a "me too". "Blue" is such a distinctive album cover. Spot it from a mile away. Em - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Ooh Monika. I like this subject. As CD cover designing is my hobby, > I'd > like to weigh in on this one. Although I love Joni's art, her best > album cover is Blue. The photograph (taken by Henry Diltz I believe) > is > simple and captures a moment so well that must have spoken to him of > the mood of that album. It sure captures it for me. The darkness and > the strain on Joni's face. It was apparently a photograph of Joni > performing on stage. I have a copy of it which includes the > microphone > stand. To me, it is one of the most recognisable album covers in > history and one of the most striking. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 12/02/2007, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > > Album covers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:46:55 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC I must object as well. A friend of mine at school sang this song in my voice lab and I swear it sent chills down my spine it was so beautiful. Morrissey, on the other hand, does very well at coming across as pathetic in some of his songs. Victor NP: The Rude Awakening on 680AM w/ Christopher Rude >>> "Danny Boy" by anyone<< > I have to object to this, although I agree that Diana Krall's > version on > 'Tears of Stone' was truly, truly awful; good thing it's the last > track. > > mike in bcn > np Ron Blake - Sonic Tonic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:48:30 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC Your favorite singers? On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Azeem Ali Khan wrote: > > > That's enough from me. > > Azeem in London Awww, come on. One more. please? Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC > "Crying" by Roy Orbison << > what about Rebekka del Rio's version from Mulholland Drive? Just listened to her version in the car yesterday. Amazing. But kd lang's version will always be my favorite. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:05:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The 2007 Grammy Awards Program, njc (this year) Great show. Though I would have liked to have seen a few more awards given out instead of them flashing across the screen. I thought Christina A. was amazing, as was Chris Brown, and Mary J. Jerry > Wow. It's nice to see that the future of popular music is in the hands of > such talented young people. > > From what I've heard about Carrie Underwood, for example, she's all > appearance, like a country-fried Jessica Simpson. I found her to have a > natural charisma and ease on stage. She can do enough melisma to sound hip > but stops before becoming a self parody. She can bring it down to a whisper > without losing tempo or pitch. And yes, she's amazingly good looking. > > Awaiting the "counterpoint" post from RR, > Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:23 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: big yellow taxi first period today: some of my eighth grade boys requested Big Yellow Taxi today. . they insisted I play it over and over. . one of them went to the radio and turned it up loud (disrespectful) : -) _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:35:18 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 Wow, so many things to comment on. I, for one, am scared to hear Joni incorporate hip-hop music. I don't see how this can possibly go well, but we'll see. As a child of the 90s, I really do like the cover of Song to a Seagull, to me, it seems very 60s, psychadelic and cool. I also really like the cover of Hissing of Summer Lawns. I did like the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, but I'm a little unsure of it now after hearing that "shuck and jive" is a term for the way Black people move/talk. This seems a bit borderline to me. I have more to say but I have to go. ttys - - Kira Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:10:44 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Carjacking alert Return-Path: Received: from mblk-d17 (mblk-d17.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.9]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM014-ec3345cfb7ff182; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 References: To: jenniferclinger@yahoo.com, Av8r57@aol.com, bluefortheroses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: babyg5455@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 71.87.190.70 by mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8C91C55D4FFDDCB-D28-6839@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - -----Original Message----- From: Olwarior@aol.com To: ACPD16@Bellsouth.net; agape70@bell Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:10 AM Subject: (no subject) Subject: A new way of car jacking. NO JOKE!! > > Subject: FW: Fw: A warning from Highway Patrol] > >> > > >> > I thought everyone should know about this. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > BEWARE OF PAPER IN THE BACK WINDOW > >> > OF YOUR VEHICLE > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:15 AM > >> > Subject: NEW WAY TO DO CAR JACKINGS > >> > > >> > (NOT A JOKE) > >> > > >> > Heads up everyone! > >> > Please, keep this circulating... > >> > You walk across the parking lot, unlock >your car and > >> > get inside. > >> > You start the engine and shift into >Reverse. > >> > > >> > When you look into the rearview mirror to >back out of > >> > your parking space, you notice a piece of >paper stuck > >> > to the middle of the rear window. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:12:50 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Return-Path: Received: from mblk-d17 (mblk-d17.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.9]) by ciaaol-r03.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR037-cc8545cfb68728b; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 References: To: Olwarior@aol.com, jenniferclinger@yahoo.com, Av8r57@aol.com, bluefortheroses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: babyg5455@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 71.87.190.70 by mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8C91C54F4E645A1-D28-67FE@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - -----Original Message----- From: Olwarior@aol.com To: ACPD16@Bellsouth.net; agape70@bell Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:35 PM Subject: They should be deported or better yet shot You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. 03/28/06: The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High School in California. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo) I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington . The image of the American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail. Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one......... The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun. If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:31:17 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: NJC Your favorite singers? << -Chris Cornell: (from Soundgarden and Audioslave) Ok, I don't even really like bands he has been in but he is another one I would classify as a "rock-n-roll" singer like no other. He can sing high, he can sing low, etc etc.>> I have to agree with you, Monika - Chris Cornell is like no other. I think he has the sexiest rocker voice I've ever heard (is this a sexist remark?). If you don't like the bands he's been in, you might like his solo album, if you haven't already heard it - Euphoria Morning. I also have to agree with you on Neil Young, Freddy Mercury, and John Lennon for the same reasons you mentioned. Other male singers I like are Robert Plant - very passionate and strong - and David Clayton-Thomas, who I confess I own none of his music, yet I just love his strong deep voice. As far as female singers go (besides Joni), Rickie Lee Jones is another all-time favorite of mine. Her voice is so incredibly unique and she uses such great dynamics. In fact, to me, her voice sometimes sounds like it's coming out of a trumpet, oboe, sax, etc...instead of a voice box. Ann Wilson from Heart is great, too. Her voice is so crystal clear and powerful! And there are more, but it's morning and my mind is just waking up. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:33:55 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Carjacking alert = urban legend (njc) check out the following link: http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp Victor NP: Lauryn Hill -The Miseducation... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:39:17 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Album Covers My personal favorite album covers of Joni's has got to be 'Hejira' (Cassy--I also have the original promo poster--dry-mounted and framed directly over my bed). However, I'm not as crazy about the disc itself, but that's another discussion. :-o Granted, the classic cover shot CAN be viewed as being a bit "overdone," I suppose, but I've always loved it. I also feel like it's not only one of her best, most flattering photographs (probably shot in late '75 or early '76 when Joni was all of 32-years-old), but one of the all-time best portrait photo's by ANYone famous in the arts. Which reminds me of a question I've been wondering about: Were the photos for 'Hejira' taken by Norman Seeff, or did Joel Bernstein take the actual shots (w/Seeff merely arranging them into the collage we all know and love)? Personally, I thought for years that Mr. Seeff took the photos himself, but others have stated that Bernstein actually shot them, so now I'm a bit confused. Does anyone know for sure? My second favorite album cover of Joni's would have to be 'Court and Spark' (also one of my all-time favorite albums), while honorable mentions include 'Turbulent Indigo' and maybe 'Chalk Mark In a Rain Storm' (gotta love those lips--LOL). And just for the record, my LEAST favorite covers are 'Dog Eat Dog,' 'For the Roses' (brilliant album, though), 'Blue' (ditto) and 'Song to a Seagull/Joni Mitchell.' XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Martinis & Bikinis' (1994) by Sam Phillips ======================================== Motitan@aol.com asked: >>>What is your favorite album cover of Joni's?<<< Siquomb@Comcast.net (Cassy) replied: >>>I have two favorites. 'Hejira' (the original framed poster hangs on my living room wall) and 'Dog Eat Dog' because I love her use of light and mixed media.< << ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Why are you forwarding this stuff to the jmdl list? You may think it's appropriate for some reason, even if I don't, but, at the very least, mark it njc. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:41:59 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: NJC Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Actually, what ticked me off more was when a town in New Mexico (can't remember the name) passed an ordinance making it illegal to fly any flag other then the United States flag which is ridiculous. If someone owns a Mexican restaurant, they should have the right to fly the Mexican flag alongside the stars and stripes. Victor > The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean > something, however, hasn't even begun. > If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:52:58 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Main Entry: paB7thetB7ic Pronunciation: \pI-Kthe-tik\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin patheticus, from Greek pathDtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b more at pathos Date: 1598 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate 4 : absurd, laughable synonyms see moving - ----- Original Message - ---- From: Victor Johnson To: mike pritchard Cc: list ; Smurf Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:46:55 AM Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC I must object as well. A friend of mine at school sang this song in my voice lab and I swear it sent chills down my spine it was so beautiful. Morrissey, on the other hand, does very well at coming across as pathetic in some of his songs. Victor NP: The Rude Awakening on 680AM w/ Christopher Rude >>> "Danny Boy" by anyone<< > I have to object to this, although I agree that Diana Krall's > version on > 'Tears of Stone' was truly, truly awful; good thing it's the last > track. > > mike in bcn > np Ron Blake - Sonic Tonic _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:04:18 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Thanks Smurf! I stand corrected. Danny Boy is incredibly pathetic and can move anyone to tears. I was at an Irish pub last year on River Street in Savannah and watching a singer/guitarist perform. At one point in the show, he asked if there were any requests so I said, "Would you play Danny Boy?" He paused for a moment.....and then said, "Okay, any other requests?" and I had to burst out laughing. Though later on in the show he did play it and very well at that. Victor NP: Lauryn Hill from the very first Simpsons episode: Bart: Can we keep him, Dad? Please? Homer: But he's a loser. He's pathetic. He's... [the dog licks his face] Homer: A Simpson. > Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin > patheticus, from Greek pathDtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein > (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b more at pathos > Date: > 1598 > 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 > : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : From: Smurf To: Victor Johnson , mike pritchard Cc: list Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:54:58 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from Multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html Main Entry: paB7thetB7ic Listen to the pronunciation of pathetic Pronunciation: \pI-Kthe-tik\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin patheticus, from Greek pathDtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b more at pathos Date: 1598 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate 4 : absurd, Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC My point was that Danny Boy is, or can be, as Victor mentions, an incredibly moving song. Unfortunately DK's version moves me not at all. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Smurf" ; "mike pritchard" Cc: "list" Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC > > Thanks Smurf! I stand corrected. Danny Boy is incredibly pathetic and can move anyone to tears. I was at an Irish pub last year on River Street in Savannah and watching a singer/guitarist perform. At one point in the show, he asked if there were any requests so I said, "Would you play Danny Boy?" He paused for a moment.....and then said, "Okay, any other requests?" and I had to burst out laughing. Though later on in the show he did play it and very well at that. > > Victor > > NP: Lauryn Hill > > > from the very first Simpsons episode: > > Bart: Can we keep him, Dad? Please? > Homer: But he's a loser. He's pathetic. He's... > [the dog licks his face] > Homer: A Simpson. > > > > > > > > > > > Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin > > patheticus, from Greek pathD"tikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein > > (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b?" more at pathos > > Date: > > 1598 > > 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 > > : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:22:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC I belonged to a University Irish Singer group and we never sang Danny Boy. Most true Irish consider it maudlin, rather than sad. Four Green Fields is truly sad and beautiful at the same time. Jerry > Thanks Smurf! I stand corrected. Danny Boy is incredibly pathetic and can > move anyone to tears. I was at an Irish pub last year on River Street in > Savannah and watching a singer/guitarist perform. At one point in the show, > he asked if there were any requests so I said, "Would you play Danny Boy?" > He paused for a moment.....and then said, "Okay, any other requests?" and I > had to burst out laughing. Though later on in the show he did play it and > very well at that. > > Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC I like or love all the songs I listed, by the way. I can understand the singer/guitarist in Savannah not wanting to perform 'DB', however. Talk about a downer -- "Bye, lover. When and if you come back, I'll probably be dead." There was an episode of "Cheers" I only saw once, but I thought it was wonderful. It was about a St. Patrick's Day party at the bar that turned into a flop. One of the contributing factors for the flop was the entertainment; three or four Irish guys in fisherman's knit sweaters singing very sad songs that kept clearing the place out. Sam finally pulled the plug on them as they were singing, "Oh, the baby is dead, the baby is dead . . ." - --Smurf - ----- Original Message ---- From: "waytoblue@comcast.net" To: Smurf ; mike pritchard Cc: list Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:04:18 AM Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Thanks Smurf! I stand corrected. Danny Boy is incredibly pathetic and can move anyone to tears. I was at an Irish pub last year on River Street in Savannah and watching a singer/guitarist perform. At one point in the show, he asked if there were any requests so I said, "Would you play Danny Boy?" He paused for a moment.....and then said, "Okay, any other requests?" and I had to burst out laughing. Though later on in the show he did play it and very well at that. Victor NP: Lauryn Hill from the very first Simpsons episode: Bart: Can we keep him, Dad? Please? Homer: But he's a loser. He's pathetic. He's... [the dog licks his face] Homer: A Simpson. > Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin > patheticus, from Greek pathDtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein > (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b more at pathos > Date: > 1598 > 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 > : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : From: Smurf To: Victor Johnson , mike pritchard Cc: list Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" -- now "pathetic" NJC Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:54:58 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from Multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html Main Entry: paB7thetB7ic Listen to the pronunciation of pathetic Pronunciation: \pI-Kthe-tik\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin patheticus, from Greek pathDtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein (aor. pathein) to experience, suffer b more at pathos Date: 1598 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy : sad 3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate 4 : absurd, Subject: Joni and bandwidth [This really has no Joni content, but I wanted this to go to as many JMDLers as possible] JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com have become relatively high-traffic sites these days, you go Joni! Together, they are pulling in nearly 5,000 unique visitors each day. As you computer techies will know, this puts considerable strain on one's bandwidth. Having never asked for money on the list I'll not start now, but I am asking if anyone out there has any bandwidth they can spare. Ideally, I'd like to place a file or two in your webspace to help keep my costs down. If you don't know what I'm talking about, that's a good indication that you can just delete this message. Otherwise, please email me off list if you think you can help! Many thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:15:41 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot You just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy . . . I love it when people try to prove how ultra-American they are by taking away basic rights. - --Smurf Victor wrote: Actually, what ticked me off more was when a town in New Mexico (can't remember the name) passed an ordinance making it illegal to fly any flag other then the United States flag which is ridiculous. If someone owns a Mexican restaurant, they should have the right to fly the Mexican flag alongside the stars and stripes. Victor > The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean > something, however, hasn't even begun. > If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON! _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:25:48 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The 2007 Grammy Awards Program, njc (this year) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > From what I've heard about Carrie Underwood, for example, she's all > appearance, like a country-fried Jessica Simpson. I found her to have a > natural charisma and ease on stage. She can do enough melisma to sound > hip > but stops before becoming a self parody. She can bring it down to a > whisper > without losing tempo or pitch. And yes, she's amazingly good looking. > > Awaiting the "counterpoint" post from RR, No argument here-I thought she had what it takes to be a country star when I heard her AI audition. She handled "San Antonio Rose" well, with the legend, Johnny Gimble, and Ray Benson. The Eagles stuff was okay-but no Linda Ronstadt. And I must say: Rascal Flaccid. Show stopping performance: Christina Aguilera's "It's a Man's World". Suffering from poor song choice: Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Police (Roxanne is one of their most tedious tunes ever). Mary J Blige-Yeah she's an okay singer, but I don't get what all the fuss is about-besides, she said "I want to thank my father, God", so she has an unfair advantage. Like her: Corrine Bailey Rae. White guy who wishes he was Muddy Waters: John Mayer Black guy who wishes he was Elton John: John Legend Wrong winner: Everyone knows "Crazy" was the Record of the Year. Natalie Maines was right by suggesting that people were sending a political message by voting for them. Not that their song is bad, but 2 years from now, it will be largely forgotten. Crazy will be played forever. Other mistake: Bob Dylan should have been nominated for, and won Album of the Year. I can't see your face, only microphone: Joan Baez, Anthony Kiedis. Most asked question to Smokey Robinson backstage: Who is your plastic surgeon? (He sang beautifully). Nice to see Ornette Coleman. All in all, a more watchable Grammy show than recent years. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:54:35 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #47 On 12-Feb-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >>>> victor asked >>>>> So what about you guys? What're your favorite tearjerkers? For me it's Joni's Little Green. And it's not just the lyrics ... it's the way she sings them. When she sings "someday there'll be soooooorrow..." I know she is singing of her own sorrow at the loss of her little girl ... it pierces right to my heart. Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:08:34 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: They should be deported or better yet shot njc Ouch!..Too late...while minorities and environmentalists were being scapegoated, any shred of political representation you might have still had was being sold to the corporations, while your jobs were given to third world virtual slaves. Thanks for playing. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; > You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY > Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. > 03/28/06: The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag > flying upside down at Montebello High School in California. (Leo > Jarzomb/Staff photo) > I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any > guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington . The image of the > American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil > is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail. > > Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to > every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to > remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to > call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be > "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out > of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that > disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and > values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one > plus one plus one......... > > The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean > something, however, hasn't even begun. > If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:02 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet but I just have to say that I totally agree, Joni never made any hippie album (and yes, I am old enought to remember the sixties). Then again, it could be discussed what defines "hippie music"? The Byrds came pretty close, I think...And some of Joni's songs could certainly qualify, for example Woodstock and Roses Blue. But never an entire album, and she had definitely grown out of the hippie scene by Blue. Love to you all, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Messling" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? >I never thought of FTR as a hippie album. it's way too sad, and I don't >think of melancholy as being part of hippie culture. If I had to name any >Joni album as a hippie album, I'd pick Clouds. But frankly, I think that >most people who use "Joni Mitchell" and "hippie" in the same sentence >haven't listened to her music, at least not carefully. > > > > At 01:33 PM 2/10/2007, you wrote: >> FTR was on the >>list, and Joni's only appearance on the list. So is FTR a hippie album >>more than >>any other album? Is it even a hippie album? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot NJC I'm with Catherine - forwarding spam & crap to the JMDL is a good way to write yourself off of it. Cease & desist, please. Bob NP: Thom Yorke, "And It Rained All Night" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:40:56 -0500 From: pleader@nyc.rr.com Subject: the second coming, njc http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/opinion/12mon4.html i liked this article on the meaning of yeats' poem, and its relevance today. no joni content, really... patrick npimh, 'slouching toward bethlehem' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:20:24 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) They should be deported or better yet shot Hey, I'm all for free speech or whatever, but why send something like this to the JMDL, who are 98% of a liberal mind, and WHY send something from March 2006?? That's almost a year ago. And ... heart-stopping photo? Someone covering up a flag stops your heart? Maybe you should see your doctor for a check up. Mystified, and definitely not hung up on symbols like flags, Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:24:04 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? (NJC) Marion wrote: > Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet Of course you should. The more voices, the better, and the more NEW voices, the better! Welcome, Marion! Where are you? Tell us about you and what you like about Joni. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:55:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Shuck and jive > I did like the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, but I'm a little unsure > of it now after hearing that "shuck and jive" is a term for the way Black > people move/talk. This seems a bit borderline to me. Kira, what are you unsure about? "Shuck and jive" was included in the lyrics to "The Jungle Line," which is on The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Joni dressed up as a black man on the cover of DJRD. How are those two things related? Remember, too, that THOSL (I put that "T" there just for you, Lama) was released in 1975, and DJRD was released in 1977. Hardly times of political correctness. But tell us more about how you're seeing these elements. It's good fuel for discussion. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:11:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Album covers Em wrote: > gotta heave forth a "me too". "Blue" is such a distinctive album cover. > Spot it from a mile away. For sheer "spot-it-from-a-mile-away" points, there's the cover of Shadow Play by L.A. Express. Joni drew the cover, and I literally spotted it across a used record store in Tempe, AZ in 1979 or so. It remains one of my favorite Joni covers, although it is not the cover of one of her own records. (She did contribute a vocal to the first track.) http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/L/LAExpress/ShadowPlay.jpg Otherwise, my favorites are Hejira, for the reasons everyone else has mentioned (plus the fun and mysterious is-it-an-arm or is-it-a-penis element), and Court and Spark, for the simplicity of its lines. That album cover is worthy of framing. I particularly love the original cover for its raised texture. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:51:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" NJC Surely many by Jackson Browne would make this list... but I'm too lazy at the moment to go searching for the saddest ones... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:59:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Album covers Hell wrote: > I would add to this category of non-Joni Joni album covers, > the cover of CSNY's compilation, So Far. It's one of my > favourite album covers ever, and I think Joni "distilled" > the character and personality of each member perfectly with > each line drawing, not to mention the background images, eg. > water for Crosby, mountains for Stills, city for Nash, > prairie for Young. I agree with you, Hell. I've always loved that cover, too. Thanks for pointing out the "water, mountains, city, prairie" thing; I hadn't noticed that before. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:36:49 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Album covers Lori wrote: > For sheer "spot-it-from-a-mile-away" points, > there's the cover of Shadow Play by L.A. Express. I would add to this category of non-Joni Joni album covers, the cover of CSNY's compilation, So Far. It's one of my favourite album covers ever, and I think Joni "distilled" the character and personality of each member perfectly with each line drawing, not to mention the background images, eg. water for Crosby, mountains for Stills, city for Nash, prairie for Young. http://www.cduniverse.com/images.asp?pid=1097416&cart=482995374&style=music&image=front&title=Crosby ,+Stills,+Nash+&+Young+-+So+Far+CD As far as favourite Joni album covers, I'd have to go for Hejira, but with CAS a close second - CAS seems more "Joni" as she painted it, rather than being the photographic subject, however involved she was in the design process. Hell - in very summery Auckland, NZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" NJC Most of Joni's songs expressive of grief or injustices induce intense emotions in me, so I become saddened when I listen during my most splendid isolations. But, there's always a glimpse of hope in her songs and I switch over to the comfort of my melancholy. But, here are a few of my saddest emotions via songs. I remember just being a 12 year old and crying every night on my pillow with the song, 'Patches,' by Clarence Carter. The first song that ever made me cry when I was just a small child was that early 1960's song, "Oh where, oh where, has my baby gone? The Lord took her away from me. She's gone to heaven, so I've got to be strong, so I can see my little baby, when I leave this little world." I cried and cried and cried. The song sung by Elvis and Natalie Merchant, 'In The Ghetto.' Tom Waits', 'Tom Traubert's Blues.' Beautiful! 'In The Garden,' by Van Morrison. A bittersweet emotion like Joni's, 'A Case of You. 'Mutineer,' by Warren Zevon. One of the most beautiful songs I have ever felt. On his last television appearance on David Letterman, he sang that song like he had never belted that song out before. It brought tears to Letterman's and Paul Schaeffer's eyes. He also sang, 'Genius', one of his last written songs and that was unbelievable. Now, that was a touching, emotional performance since he basically knew it would be his last public appearance. Adagio For Strings, Samuel Barber. 'Dreamin', by Lou Reed. I love the ambience he creates in this song. You feel as if you're in the room with him feeling intense pain for a friend who's died over drugs. njean ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #65 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------