From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 9 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #43 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] A review of the 33 1/3 Book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni's singing [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni's guitar playing and singing [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni's singing [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: It is a sure thing! [LCStanley7@aol.com] Village Voice Top 20 - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's singing and guitar playing [David Sapp ] Dylan - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Dylan - NJC ["Les Irvin" ] rosalie, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: Dylan - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Dylan - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Joni's face for sale? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Dylan - NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni's face for sale? NJC [Em ] Re: Joni's face for sale? [Smurf ] Re: Joni's face for sale? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni's singing ["Randy Remote" ] OUT OF CONTEXT ["c Karma" ] Rickie Lee Norah Davy Jones njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni's face for sale? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Rickie Lee Norah Davy Jones njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] re: Joni's singing ["c Karma" ] re: Joni's singing [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni's singing [Victor Johnson ] Shades of Scarlet Conquering ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] The Alberta Ballet [Brian Gross ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:14:35 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #43 Re: Message From Website Hadn't read that Clinton Heylin theory about Joni and Ronee before but I suspect it's journalistic wishful-thinking and essentially crapolata. HOSL was released in November 1975; the RTR took place in the fall of 1975 and early 1976. I assume the sessions for the former took place before the RTR, and hence that Shades of Scarlett Conquering was written beforehand. As another Joan once proclaimed, I'm open to persuasion - but it'd have to be damned convincing! Love Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:46:27 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: A review of the 33 1/3 Book http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=152244 Bob NP: Ani, "Freak Show" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:13:26 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni's singing By FAR, Joni's most beautiful vocals were all featured on her first official "live" disc, 'Miles of Aisles' (1974)--period. Some exceptional moments of note: her wordless coda on the opening track (a somewhat slower version of "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio"); the soaring interjection right after "...I sing soprano in the upstairs choir...AH-ahhhhhhhhhhhhh" (on "Rainy Night House"); the most gorgeous version EVER of "A Case of You." It's a breathtaking vocal performance throughout. Beyond 'Miles of Aisles,' you'll find the exact same stunning sound on her duet (or duel--LOL) w/Joan Baez on the song "Dida" (featured on Baez' 1975 disc, 'Diamonds and Rust'). Enjoy !!! XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Around Midnight' (1960) by Julie London. Can't convince me that Joni doesn't listen to (and adore) Julie London these days. ;-) ======================================= In a message dated 2/8/07 Motitan@aol.com wrote: > What are your favorite vocal performances from Joni? What songs do you > think she does a fantastic job more than whats required vocally speaking? > Why? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:32:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitar playing and singing I love the sound, rhythm and chord changes in the guitar intro to "Coyote". I can't analyze it from a guitarist's perspective because I'm not one. I just love the sound of it. The other one that sticks out in my mind is her treatment of "Woodstock" on the live Shadows & Light album. The rhythmic choppiness of it, especially at the end of it, just sends me. For the most part, Joni's guitar seems to play a supporting role. Vocally, her singing on "Sweet Sucker Dance" is simply amazing - she sings with total accuracy through some strange intervals with very little instrumental cueing to give her the notes or pitch. Her singing on all of Mingus is amazing but that one just blows me away. Ditto with her vocals on "Cotton Avenue", the dream-like way she sings "you just go no place...speciaaaallllll" is a perfect intro to the song. Her guitar accompaniment on that is remarkable as well. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "No Quarter" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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What songs do you > think she does a fantastic job more than whats required vocally speaking? Why? > This is a followup to the guitar question from earlier........ > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:27:07 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: It is a sure thing! Monika asked: So, who else is definitely going?!?! Count me in! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:25:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Village Voice Top 20 - NJC 1 Dylan, Bob - Modern Times 2 TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain 3 Ghostface Killah - Fishscale 4 Hold Steady, The - Boys and Girls in America 5 Gnarls Barkley - St Elsewhere 6 Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 7 Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury 8 Case, Neko - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood 9 Newsom, Joanna - Ys 10 Waits, Tom - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards 11 Cat Power - The Greatest 12 Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped 13 Decemberists, The - The Crane Wife 14 Belle and Sebastian - The Life Pursuit 15 Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins - Rabbit Fur Coat 16 Knife - Silent Shout 17 My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade 18 Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your Ass 19 Springsteen, Bruce - We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions 20 Dixie Chicks - Taking the Long Way ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Joni's singing and guitar playing As far as Joni's singing and I would say Sweet Sucker Dance from Mingus -- guitar playing I would say the song Turbulent Indigo... it's all subjective and these are just my opinions ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:27:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Dylan - NJC Great article from The Village Voice: King of Wreck Hiphop can never die so long as Bob Dylan with story in his voice and lust in his eyes is alive by Greg Tate I often think of Bob Dylan when I think about the future of hiphop. I actually think Bob Dylan is the future of hiphop, and maybe even the future of humanity. Or a weird, Vonnegut-ian, bizarro-world vision of the future where nobody ages so much as moves back and forth in time like the Terminator, not like that post-apocalyptic bookworm Burgess Meredith played on The Twilight Zone who survives a nuclear holocaust and only freaks out when he smashes his reading glasses. Point being, in the same way I think Cate Blanchett (soon to be seen playing Dylan) would be the perfect big-screen Miles Davis (CGI-blackface willing) because she's that gangsta-mack with her craft, I think Dylan is how you want to go out as an MC. Because as we watch Nas and Jay-Z try to figure out how you sustain a pure artist's stance in today's asscrackbootyslap iPod-disposable hiphop, I look at Brother Zimmerman and I say, "Now that's how you do your golden years." Because if you make your living throwing slang and metaphor about with abandon if you get paid for lyrically poking around the alphabet you pretty much got a job for life for as long as you care to catch wreck. Because if you're a performer more known for your slick verbal chops than your sexyback arabesques or your Voice of God, Bob D has to be your man. Long time ago I was told, "Some writers just have story in their voice." Like all my other favorite rhymers, Dylan keeps story in his verses sagacious poetry and prophecy too. But nobody in hiphop, except maybe MF Doom and Ghostface, seems to realize that deft and ingenious handling of iambic pentameter is enough to move a crowd and help you ease on down the road. Lust, violence, god, love, and mortality if you can consistently set all those Great American themes to a beat, you've got the fickle bastards for as long as you can stand 'em. What Dylan has done since Time Out of Mind is twofold: He's reinvented the whole idea of aging gracefully in American pop, and he's found a way to turn back the clock to the point where the Dylan of now seems more spry and toothsome than the Dylan of 1964. It's like that whole "Ah, but I was so much older then/I'm younger than that now" thing of his was really like a reverse-aging spell he put on himself, to be activated once he became a sexagenarian. I mean, the man's doing stellar, laconic, all-ages satellite radio, daydreaming about Alicia Keys like Ghostface once daydreamed about Adina Howard, touring like the only way he's ever leaving the stage is strapped to a gurney, and most remarkably of all, making albums that aren't just listenable, but actually still matter. Where is his Picture of Dorian Gray, we all want to know? Thing must look like Jabba the Hutt after an unlicensed Queens rhinoplasty. Because the rule in pop, funk-and-roll, or whatever is, somewhere after 55 after old dude has gone through his last mid-life crisis, bagged his last 10-G-a-day coke habit supermodel, and closed out his debt to the live-in family therapist well, he just hauls his fat ass back in front of what's left of his fun-loving middle-aged public and tours them golden oldies like he wrote 'em yesterday, and if that means playing the Hibbings County Fair opening up for Chicago, Blue Magic, and Styx, then so be it. But uh-uh, not our Bob D, baby. Ain't going out like that. So who'da thunk Prince would be shufflin' in Vegas before Bob muhfuhkn' Dylan? Who else could go out and tour material primarily from his last three albums, and wouldn't nobody be mad if "Maggie's Farm," "Desolation Row," or "All Along the Watchtower" never came up in the rotation? I mean, you'd be disappointed, but you wouldn't leave mad, you know what I'm saying? I mean, dude's still Mr. Lyrics to Go. Lyrics as mind-altering as those on '61 or Another Side Of or Blonde on Blonde. Not better and obviously not owning the crunchy historical moment like that though Love and Theft is still the most haunted, passionate, ironic art anyone, in any medium, has done "about" or with respect to 9-11, with the exception of David Byrne-Talking Heads' equally prescient "Life During Wartime" and Steve Vitiello's Winds After Hurricane Floyd, and 9-11 hadn't even happened yet, so call him Bob Delphic. But say some young'un comes up to you and says, "Hey Gramps, I want to get into this Dylan cat, where should I start?" Sure you'd recommend Highway or Blowin' or Blonde or New or Blood, but Time or Love or Modern Times wouldn't hardly be sloppy seconds or thirds if the kid wanted something more antique contemporary. Point being, any old codger can be wax-dummied into a classic statue pose, be oiled and anointed and get '60s Rock Legend stamped over his faded 666-stigmata. But how many codgers can make you believe Alicia Keys better get a head start and not stare too deep into his eyes when she spies him in her rearview? Point being, you go see Rolling Stones, P-Funk, EWF, Lou Reed, Bowie, Chaka, or whoever because you want to be reminded how good the good old days really were, and because, let's be real, you want to check in and see how the staunch gray guardians of your dusty glory are holding up. But, and this is the crucial difference, when you put that new Dylan on it's to hear what he's up for today. Because see, now that Miles is gone, Bob D and a precious few very, very free jazz cats namely Ornette, Cecil, Sam Rivers, and Bill Dixon are the only artistes around that make you feel like whatever they get into tomorrow will be infinitely more arresting or ahead of the curve or in the moment than whatever YouTube-sucking nostalgia trip we're on now. They're all still like Method Man: "Still wild still 'tical still gritty style, foul, crimi-nimi-nal, individual." Point being, Bob Dylan woke up this morning still representing Bob Dylan. And you, Brutus? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:18:24 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Dylan - NJC The Village Voice wrote: >I think Cate Blanchett >(soon to be seen playing Dylan) Huh? What have I missed THIS time?? What's this about? Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:42:31 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: rosalie, njc Too bad that poor Rosalie doesn't like Joni. Perhaps she would find some salve and solace in the genius of our love. Besides the point. Rosalie wrote and said that she tried to register and could not, her purpose was to thank you all for your kind words and thoughts to her. She asked that I write to you all and thank you for her. She always asked that I remind all to hug and tell their loved ones on a regular basis how much they love them. Message delivered. I hope you all are well, as well. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Joni's singing and guitar playing > As far as Joni's singing and I would say Sweet Sucker Dance from Mingus -- > guitar playing I would say the song Turbulent Indigo... it's all > subjective and these are just my opinions ... signing off for now, > Peace, David > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:13:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Dylan - NJC "I'm Not There" is the title of the film - seven different actors including Blanchett will play Dylan at various points in his career. Bob NP: America, "Williow Tree Lullaby" "Les Irvin" Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 02/08/2007 12:18 PM Please respond to "Les Irvin" To cc Subject RE: Dylan - NJC The Village Voice wrote: >I think Cate Blanchett >(soon to be seen playing Dylan) Huh? What have I missed THIS time?? What's this about? Les - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Final details of the film, which was first announced three years ago, were given in Cannes. The producers called it "a ferocious musical romp". Shooting will start in Montreal in July, with one more Dylan to be cast. Colin Farrell, who was to have portrayed the singer in the 1970s, has dropped out. Dylan is said to be so keen on the film that he is giving the director, Todd Haynes, access to his complete back catalogue. The singer is also relinquishing his half of the publishing income to keep the budget down to #13.2 million. advertisement Mr Haynes said: "Bob Dylan was somebody who has rejected all of the various personas that he has embodied over the years. "He continues to move forward by discarding himself, so my idea is to put together a film of multiple characters and tell their stories simultaneously. It's going to be weird, not a traditional narrative by any means." Julianne Moore is also in the cast, along with Charlotte Gainsbourg, the daughter of Jane Birkin and the late Serge Gainsbourg, and Michelle Williams. Dylan, who has been on "never-ending" tour since 1988, and returns to Britain next month, is not expected to appear himself. His songs will be interpreted by Jack White of The White Stripes, PJ Harvey and Michael Stipe of REM. Publishers wishing to reproduce photographs on this page should phone 44 (0) 207 538 7505 or e-mail syndication@telegraph.co.uk Information appearing on telegraph.co.uk is the copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited and must not be reproduced in any medium without licence. For the full copyright statement see Copyright > The Village Voice wrote: >> I think Cate Blanchett >> (soon to be seen playing Dylan) > > Huh? What have I missed THIS time?? What's this about? > Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:17:46 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni's face for sale? http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-TYPE-SCULPTED-FACE-MASK_W0QQitemZ280080401793QQihZ018QQcategoryZ72177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Life Turned Upside Down" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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NJC she must have been listening to a really great new album! :P Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-TYPE-SCULPTED-FACE-MASK_W0QQitemZ280080401793QQihZ018QQcategoryZ72177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Bob > > NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Life Turned Upside Down" > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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Hmmmm, - --Bob, still 1365 posts behind, but checking in on the latest - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:17:46 PM Subject: Joni's face for sale? http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-TYPE-SCULPTED-FACE-MASK_W0QQitemZ2800804017 93QQihZ018QQcategoryZ72177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Life Turned Upside Down" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:43:44 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's singing Victor said: >Lately, I've found I tend to listen mostly Hejira, Don Juan's >Reckless Daughter, Wild Things Run Fast and I think the >way she sings in this period is a big reason for that. Hejira was the first time I noticed a little Billie Holiday in the phrasing; "But I'm so glad to be on my o-wn". Easy to get the chills listening to that album. WTRF has some great swoops and harmonies running in the background as well as the stellar leads. From: > Ditto with her vocals > on "Cotton Avenue", the dream-like way she sings "you just go no > place...speciaaaallllll" is a perfect intro to the song. Her guitar > accompaniment on that is remarkable as well. What he said. Also: vocals: Banquet/California/Conversation/BYT. guitar: Woman of Heart & Mind/Electricity/Off Night Backstreet/ Amelia ...and everything else. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:05:05 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: OUT OF CONTEXT Here we go again. Why do reporters find it so easy to paint Joni as humorless and imperious? She has gone on record saying so many good things about the original yet we are already seeing jabs at her rewrite of "If": "The project also boasts two new Mitchell recordings, the first publically heard since 1998. These include a ballad for the earth set to a slow rumba beat, called If I Had A Heart I'd Cry. Then there's If, featuring jazz pianist Herbie Hancock, which is a reworking of a Rudyard Kipling poem. "I changed the ending verse and I took out the archaic language," Mitchell told the Herald. "I personalized it." When asked if she thought Kipling would mind, Mitchell told another reporter: "Oh no! I've made it better!" "If (2007) - - This new song reworks (or, according to Mitchell, improves upon) Rudyard Kipling's poem with backing from jazz pianist Herbie Hancock." I would suggest that Mitchell had as much trademark self-effacement as pride when she told the reporter that she had "improved" Kipling's poem. The reporters seem to want to milk this heresy for all it's worth. She is thus accused of overstepping her bounds by daring to adapt what others may feel is sacrosanct, in the quest of clarity. She is very serious about what she wants to say in this work, and if removing archaic language allows more young 21st century minds to get the message I think her ability to do it should be lauded and not met with derision. Seems it's okay if she writes pop hooks into her work to get the attention of the least common denominator but if she needs to change academically revered literary examples that come thisclose to communicating everything she feels important, that is NOT allowed. Borderline, borderline, borderline. Again, again, again. CC _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:54:48 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Rickie Lee Norah Davy Jones njc Has anyone heard the new Rickie Lee Jones, which came out Tuesday? Apparently it's all about Jesus, with poetry and experimental Tom Waitsian stuff....cool or wtf? Her "Slow Train Coming"? Norah also has a new one, I heard a song on the radio yesterday that was almost like a bluegrass tune & fit her like a glove. Davy, pick up the white courtesy phone- RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:37:32 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni's singing I agree Billy, Joni's singing on MOI is breath-taking. A slight husk developing, but "so sweet and clear". amelio747 >From: Wtking59@cs.com >Reply-To: Wtking59@cs.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni's singing >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:13:26 EST > >By FAR, Joni's most beautiful vocals were all featured on her first >official >"live" disc, 'Miles of Aisles' (1974)--period. Some exceptional moments of >note: her wordless coda on the opening track (a somewhat slower version of >"You >Turn Me On, I'm a Radio"); the soaring interjection right after "...I sing >soprano in the upstairs choir...AH-ahhhhhhhhhhhhh" (on "Rainy Night >House"); the >most gorgeous version EVER of "A Case of You." It's a breathtaking vocal >performance throughout. > >Beyond 'Miles of Aisles,' you'll find the exact same stunning sound on her >duet (or duel--LOL) w/Joan Baez on the song "Dida" (featured on Baez' 1975 >disc, >'Diamonds and Rust'). > > Enjoy !!! > > >XXXOOO, >Billy > >NP: 'Around Midnight' (1960) by Julie London. Can't convince me that Joni >doesn't listen to (and adore) Julie London these days. ;-) > > ======================================= >In a message dated 2/8/07 Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > What are your favorite vocal performances from Joni? What songs do you > > think she does a fantastic job more than whats required vocally >speaking? > > Why? _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:08:41 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's face for sale? It does look like her-is her nose crooked like that? Are the cheekbones high enough? The mouth and eyes look right. It could be Alicia Keys. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Norah Davy Jones njc I ordered the deluxe edition with 5.1 sound and DVD. But it hasn't arrived yet. What I have heard on our WMNF radio station is wonderful. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > Has anyone heard the new Rickie Lee Jones, which came out Tuesday? > Apparently it's all about Jesus, with poetry and experimental Tom Waitsian > stuff....cool or wtf? Her "Slow Train Coming"? > Norah also has a new one, I heard a song on the radio yesterday that was > almost like a bluegrass tune & fit her like a glove. > Davy, pick up the white courtesy phone- > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:02:49 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Norah Davy Jones njc Mostly the former but some of the latter. There are several tracks that are instantly likeable (like "Falling Up" that was made available early) and others that are a bit more challenging. It's not as instantly accessible as her last one but most of it is. I'm sure that as I continue to spin it I will warm up to it more. Strangely, the lyrics are not included with the CD. I assumed they would be with this project where she's basically taking the biblical words of Jesus and turning them into songs, with her own touches of course. It's a different project than what I was expecting, but that's what makes artists like RLJ and Joni interesting. 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For me, everything on Mingus and also, the phrasing "I need your love. I need your love. God speed your love to me" from Unchained Melody. Closely followed by everything on DJRD and (watch the sparks fly...) BSN -- I think she's absolutely brilliant on that album. CC _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:05:20 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: re: Joni's singing Anything from DJRD. Her vocals are so supple and sexy, in every single cut. This is an album where I can, if I'm in the mood, disregard the words and just bathe in the sounds. At 04:26 PM 2/8/2007, you wrote: >What are your favorite vocal performances from Joni? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:14:48 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni's singing Now that's what I'm talking about... Victor On Feb 8, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Deb Messling wrote: > Anything from DJRD. Her vocals are so supple and sexy, in every > single cut. This is an album where I can, if I'm in the mood, > disregard the words and just bathe in the sounds. > > > At 04:26 PM 2/8/2007, you wrote: >> What are your favorite vocal performances from Joni? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:53:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I'll catalog some references in the 1st verse. Maybe someone will take it from there. Joni said, 1.Out of the fire like Catholic saints 2.Comes Scarlett and her deep complaint 3.Mimicking tenderness she sees 4.In sentimental movies 5.A celluloid rider comes to town 6.Cinematic lovers sway 7.Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns 8.Take her breath away 1. "Gone With The Wind" is the story of a southern woman, Scarlett O'Hara (if I recall) who's world is crumbling. In fact, the jewel of the south, Atlanta, burned. 2. Yet Scarlett rose again. I didn't read the book, but in the movie, Scarlet was a deeply conflicted character who was secretly in love with a married man. Through it all, she imagined everything was going to magically congeal into her imagined life. If I recall, her last words were "I can't think about that now. If I did, I'd go crazy. I know; I'll think about that tomorrow." 3/4. Joni wrote a composite of characters. Here, she's tying the present-day character to an idealized past. But it's not just Scarlett's idealized past, it's also the present-day character dreaming about a life as good as her imagined life. The present-day character is imagining that her dreamscape will come to life, just as Scarlett imagined the plantation would be made whole, and she'd marry Ashley. 5/6. The author reminds us 3 times that the second character is illusory, imaginary, a work of fiction. (sentimental movies, celluoid rider, cinematic lovers) The present-day character is a dreamer too. But Scarlett is doubly a dreamy character. Not only is she locked in dreams, but she only exists in fiction. For today's character, Scarlett is both a looking glass and an imperfect mirror. She is both the ideal and the cautionary tale. 7/8. Imagery from "Gone With the Wind". Jim L. PS, Scarlet is a synonym for "blood-red" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio OK, kids - I'll bet many of you are as excited to hear this as I was - thanks to JMDL'er Doug Meek (man among men) here it is! http://download.yousendit.com/CBDBBA665C7F469A It's a wonderful program - if you're like me you'll have a hair or two stand and even get a little watery-eyed. And Patti P, when you hear JT speaking all that French, you will turn into a puddle of goo. Here is the order for the tracks: 1. Intro comments 2. Help Me - Chaka 3. Margaret Atwood 4. JT - Woodstock 5. Herbie, Joni's Career, Joni accepts 6. Both Sides Now 7. Closing comments A BIG BIG thanks to Doug for doing this for us all. Doug, as JB would say, you can "jump back and kiss yourself". Hope we can get the video too - this will help make the wait for that more bearable. Bob NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up & Hold On" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: The Alberta Ballet Joni's ballet opened tonight (Feb 8th) in Calgary. Was anyone here in attendance???????? REPORT PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks. Inquiring minds really really really want to know. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:18:07 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I recently read a review of The Hissing of Summer Lawns by David Crosby from an old issue of Rolling Stone. http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/davidcrosby/albums/album/214346/review/5945041/the_hissing_of_summer_lawns Crosby compares Scarlet to Blanche DuBois and has his own interesting take on that song as well as on the entire album. Well worth the read. Warmly, Cassy NP: Peter Gabriel - I Grieve ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #58 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------