From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Rudyard Kipling, If [Rusty10113@aol.com] Carlos Castaneda ["mia _" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark=20book= 20=20?= [] Re: Carlos Castaneda [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book= 20 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: sad news, now njc [Norma Jean Garza ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?court=20and=20spark=20book=20=2D=20a=20winner?= ["=?ISO-88] Re: grrrr! [Norma Jean Garza ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?paz=27s=20loss=20=20=20=20=20njc?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=] Re: Returning Joni discs to the library [Motitan@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20book?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" ] Fiddle and Drum TV Special ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Sad news [Michael Paz ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20=20=20book?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" ] Re: Can anyone help me identify recordings I found in my Joni Stuff? [Bo] Re: Jonifest questions ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Carlos Castaneda not much jc [Doug ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:55:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC So... you're saying the delay is due to a sick cat. A pattern is developing. Jim L. Victor posted >>I just heard that global warming was responsible for delaying the Joni Mitchell reissues, and for the recent football riots in Italy.<< mike in barcelona >tear gas that the police in the Italian football stadium used was sucked up into the atmosphere and was 'dropped' the gas into the garden where Joni's cat was snoozing in the afternoon sun, That's why we're not getting the reissues. Fact.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:28:56 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Converting, njc Monika wrote: > Well my parents are into Polish music, > Hi Monika, My mother was Polish, and when she was dying with pancreatic cancer, Mike Zabrocki sent me his Polish album for free. She loved it, and so do I. Mike has become my good friend. Here is his website: Check this out: http://www.zabrockimusic.com/ Go to albums: Ofiarowanie Milosci Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:29:07 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: S&L For Free Hello everyone. I burned a copy of Shadows & Light DVD for a friend but, he already has it and I wouldn't like to waste it. I know there are people who object to copying Joni's commercially available material so, I'd like to offer this to someone who might be in financial difficulty. Someone who would have bought the DVD if it weren't for a lack of funds. It's region free but may be in PAL format so, it's probably best to go to someone outside of the US. Write to me off list if you fit that description. I will wait until the next digest comes in order to catch the digest people so as to be fair. Mark in Sydney NP En Csak Azt Csodalom - Marta Sebestyen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:40:05 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If In a message dated 2/4/07 7:34:44 PM, dlmessling@rcn.com writes: > >If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster > >And treat those two impostors just the same; > > Just a quick thought about this... this verse is on a large plaque on the wall in the players waiting room at Wimbledon, and has been written about many times as a reminder to players about the fine line between winning or losing a tennis match, and keeping your cool in a crisis... being a tennis fan, I find Joni's reverence for this rather interesting... Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:47:11 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Carlos Castaneda Joni recommended reading Carlos Castaneda. So now I am reading "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge." Is it just me, or is this some creepy stuff? Finding your spot in a room that protects you from danger, meeting up with Mescalito (after ingesting peyote buttons), running into evil-doers who disguise themselves as people you know.... Castaneda explains that the book is both an ethnography and an allegory. Does this mean it is not real or that it never happened the way we are reading it. If we are learning about an altered reality of a select group of people, is the book itself in any way altered from the reality of what really happened? Is Don Juan playing with Castaneda's head? Is Castaneda playing with our heads? Anyone care to discuss? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:08:34 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark=20book= 20=20?= A copy of Court and Spark, by Sean Nelson, has fallen into my hands. It's an outsiders quess about the making of that album. I 've finished reading it and would like to pass it on. I'll send it to the 1st person who e-mails me off list. lesli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Carlos Castaneda I would love to discuss this topic. Truly, Norma Jean - --- mia _ wrote: > Joni recommended reading Carlos Castaneda. So now I > am reading "The > Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge." > Is it just me, or is this > some creepy stuff? Finding your spot in a room that > protects you from > danger, meeting up with Mescalito (after ingesting > peyote buttons), running > into evil-doers who disguise themselves as people > you know.... > > Castaneda explains that the book is both an > ethnography and an allegory. > Does this mean it is not real or that it never > happened the way we are > reading it. If we are learning about an altered > reality of a select group > of people, is the book itself in any way altered > from the reality of what > really happened? Is Don Juan playing with > Castaneda's head? Is Castaneda > playing with our heads? > > Anyone care to discuss? > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live > Messenger. > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:34:53 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book= 20 Not sure what you mean by this, Lesli...I'm almost to the end of it (I've been savoring it and reading it in short spurts) and it doesn't really detail the 'making' of the album at all. I would think that a book about "the making of that album" would refer to the details of the songwriting and the sessions, packaging and marketing etc and none of that really gets discussed. Instead there's a fascinating song by song (and darn near line by line) analysis of each song as well as the arc of Joni's career to that and after that point, putting C&S in context of the entire body of work, of which Sean Nelson has an incredible mastery, as good as anyone on this list I would say. And also incredible given his youthfulness. Here's a little blurb I found on his website: http://www.seannelson.net/news/joni.html That's very cool that you're willing to pass it on - I give this book a HUGE thumbs up and I'm sure someone will be happy to take it off your hands. Bob NP: Roxana Amed, "Vanishing" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: sad news, now njc I don't know any of you, but here I send my condolences to Paz and all his family and friends. Paz' brother was sent with love, flying Up Above, on an angel's wing. And with Paz's smiles and tears, and his brother's souvenirs, we are all tenderly making music in the hearts of all mankind. Norma Jean (as usual, inspiration comes from and with Joni) - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > oh my goodness. . . another loss for Paz? > Donald > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:21:43 +0000 > From: "Sherelle Smith" > Subject: Sad news > > I did not put a njc tag on this because this > concerns a dear Joniamigo. I > just got a call from Paz tonight. We've been trying > to make plans to get > together next week in Baltimore with Claudia and > John. > > Our dear friend Michael Paz has lost his brother > Donald Joseph Allen to ALS > (Lou Gehrig's Disease). No one including Donald > knew he had it until about > three weeks before his death. Paz of course is > pretty out of it. He said > someone took him out last night and got him to take > his mind off of things > instead of him just going to his room to fall apart. > He said that later he > did go to his room and thankfully passed out. The > group was onstage > performing while he was on the phone with me. I > asked him if he would like > me to post on his behalf and he said he would. the > funeral is Tuesday I > believe and he will be flying back to Baltimore on > Wednesday. I plan to make > sure I am there to meet him in Baltimore and stand > by my friend at this > sorrowful time. He has suffered so much loss within > these past two years yet > he has been brave and courageous enough to keep > living life to the fullest > anyway. He truly is an inspiration to me and I feel > so blessed to even know > him. > > Please say a prayer or think some good thoughts to > get him through this > difficult time. He is our Joni friend of the heart. > Thanks so much. > > Love, > Sherelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out all that glitters with the MSN > Entertainment Guide to the Academy > Awards. > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:46:16 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?court=20and=20spark=20book=20=2D=20a=20winner?= I found a home for the book. Jerry posted 1st. Thanks for all replies. FYI ther's no real musical onfo in it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: grrrr! Strings and half-notes of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Joni Mitchell coming through the snow and the pinewood trees, for me. Norma Jean ` - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical > names and defy Western > musical theory." > ------------------------------- > Well maybe, maybe not. But that is one of the > reasons why her music is so > original and inspiring. She doesn't fall into the > whole traditional way of > writing songs. It doesn't always have to be > verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc. > She has been a huge inspiration for me lately when > it comes to songwriting. > Just today I wrote a new song. For what I thought > was going to be the last > verse, I had written two different verses. I was > going to choose which I > thought was better but said fuck it, and tacked an > extra verse at the end where > technically it shouldn't belong. I even thought of > Joni for a moment after I > did that and thought, "thanks." But its funny how > everyone differs. Some > people like apples, some like oranges. I like it > all. > -Monika Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:50:55 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?paz=27s=20loss=20=20=20=20=20njc?= me too lesli >I don't know any of you, but here I send my >condolences to Paz and all his family and friends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:06:11 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Returning Joni discs to the library Why not just make a tape (or a CD copy) of the library disc and be done with it? Not having room in your CD rack for another is certainly no reason to not acquire more music... what else in life is more important than music? Okay... you don't need a rack to hold love! - -------------------- Yes a burned cd would have been nice but I was too foolish to do that. I hadn't even put the cd on my computer yet! Usually I do these things the second day I get them. But I still do need to purchase the album. Because, you asked what else in life is more important than music, and I say nothing. Music comes first always, much to the detriment of others sometimes. But that's how it is. But I NEED to own it because I love inserts, I love knowing I contribute to the artist financially, and I just love owning cds. It's much more personal then. We'll see how long I can hold out. Probably by this weekend, I'll own STAS lol, and place it on my nightstand rather than the ground because I don't want my dog stepping on it!. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:11:48 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20book?= ok, ok what do i know? points well taken. i'll admit i read it quickly - i enjoyed it, but i wouldn't keep it. you are i guess more open and an archivist at heart. I immediately questioned the idea of joni on am radio because that's not how i remember it. he probably did hear her there though. at that time i was listening to fm exclusively mostly jazz and joni on records. i felt like it was a heartfelt analysis, but derived from interviews i've read. he did draw his own conclusions and that is beautiful.. surely better than i'm willing to do. lesli the critic of all expression - just judgment in black and white who is procrastinating before a government deadline and a job interview. - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:34:53 -0800 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com To: "LESLI A WATTS" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book= 20 >guess about the making of that album.> > >Not sure what you mean by this, Lesli...I'm almost to the end of it (I've >been savoring it and reading it in short spurts) and it doesn't really >detail the 'making' of the album at all. I would think that a book about >"the making of that album" would refer to the details of the song writing >and the sessions, packaging and marketing etc and none of that really gets >discussed. Instead there's a fascinating song by song (and darn near line >by line) analysis of each song as well as the arc of Joni's career to that >and after that point, putting C&S in context of the entire body of work, >of which Sean Nelson has an incredible mastery, as good as anyone on this >list I would say. And also incredible given his youthfulness. > >Here's a little blurb I found on his website: >http://www.seannelson.net/news/joni.html > >That's very cool that you're willing to pass it on - I give this book a >HUGE thumbs up and I'm sure someone will be happy to take it off your >hands. > >Bob > >NP: Roxana Amed, "Vanishing" > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:24:51 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Jonifest questions Well I've got the day off from work today because I had an appointment earlier this morning. Anyway, I've got a few questions about Jonifest. What do you think the value of getting a one or two day pass is? I was thinking about maybe driving out there for just a day or two, giving myself a birthday treat (my birthday is that Friday of Jonifest!), and attending? If I get a two day pass, I'd just stay up all night as I don't have a hotel or anything. No problem, I love nighttime. If I get a one day pass I was thinking I would just get there early, stay late, and then leave. Now if I arrive on Saturday do I just show up at the Full Moon Resort and the good people there will show me where to go? Is there an itinerary? Does it all happen right there? Is there a specific time to arrive? What exactly happens at this thing? I really don't know how this works so if someone could even message me off the list to provide some details who has been to one of these, it'd be very much appreciated. I've got the urge for going to this thing so I'm just trying to figure it out rationally. I'm trying to get a friend to go but she's not sure about how much money she can afford to spend. I don't want to drive out of state alone! I may not make it alone! But this just seems so very interesting. And as far as payment goes, can I pay by money order? Usually when doing something online, it requires a credit card...... - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:45:32 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: New blog post..... Hey everyone posted a new comment on my blog, go check it out and tell all your friends! _http://blondeinthebleachers.blogspot.com_ (http://blondeinthebleachers.blogspot.com) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:55:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: converting, njc now, short Wow! Well said, Brian. Jim L. Brian Gross said in part, >Those of us with the "Joni gene" are resonating at the same frequency that she emits. It bypasses our conscious minds and goes directly to our heart strings and our souls. Those of us ultra-sensitive to Joni (ever been walking through a store and pick up on an almost inaudible note or two and realize that it's Joni's music playing?) resonate at the frequency of Joni. We are that "weird chord." There are other artists that we love, but it is Joan we have in common, and at the top of the heap.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:55:43 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book I thought the book was mediocre at best. Nelson dislikes all but a narrow range of Joni's work. It was completely undocumented (unlike other books in the series), he admitted knowing next to nothing about music (odd for a musician). His insights into the songs are nothing special-- pretty superficial, I'd say. I would have liked a book that gave real insight into a.) the making of the record or b.) an interesting and sustained reading of the record informed by historical and cultural contexts. I began a long review of the book for the list, but had to abandon it because I have too much crticism to write as part of my job right now. I'll keep it--heck I still have Brian Hinton's book. But while I'll return to the Highway 61 Revisited book in the series, this one will just go on the shelf. Any number of us culd have done a much better job. Quoting LESLI A WATTS : > ok, ok > what do i know? points well taken. > i'll admit i read it quickly - i enjoyed it, but i wouldn't keep it. > you are i guess more open and an archivist at heart. > I immediately questioned the idea of joni on am radio because that's > not how i remember it. he probably did hear her there though. at > that time i was listening to fm exclusively mostly jazz and joni on > records. i felt like it was a heartfelt analysis, but derived from > interviews i've read. he did draw his own conclusions and that is > beautiful.. surely better than i'm willing to do. > > lesli the critic of all expression - just judgment in black and white > who is procrastinating before a government deadline and a job interview. > > > ---------- Original Message ------------- > Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:34:53 -0800 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > To: "LESLI A WATTS" > Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book= 20 > > >> > guess about the making of that album.> >> >> Not sure what you mean by this, Lesli...I'm almost to the end of it (I've >> been savoring it and reading it in short spurts) and it doesn't really >> detail the 'making' of the album at all. I would think that a book about >> "the making of that album" would refer to the details of the song writing >> and the sessions, packaging and marketing etc and none of that really gets >> discussed. Instead there's a fascinating song by song (and darn near line >> by line) analysis of each song as well as the arc of Joni's career to that >> and after that point, putting C&S in context of the entire body of work, >> of which Sean Nelson has an incredible mastery, as good as anyone on this >> list I would say. And also incredible given his youthfulness. >> >> Here's a little blurb I found on his website: >> http://www.seannelson.net/news/joni.html >> >> That's very cool that you're willing to pass it on - I give this book a >> HUGE thumbs up and I'm sure someone will be happy to take it off your >> hands. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Roxana Amed, "Vanishing" >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >> are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >> dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >> in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >> material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >> are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >> the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:12:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Jonifest questions Monika wrote: >Is there an itinerary? Does it all happen right there? Is >there a specific time to arrive? What exactly happens at this thing? 1) No real itinerary other than scheduled on-stage performances each evening. 2) It all happens right at the resort, no need to even touch a vehicle while there. 3) No specific time to arrive. 4) What happens? Music, conversation, music, great food, music, singing, the making of new friends, music, and much more. It's like being in college again for a weekend but without the studying. Les, who wouldn't miss it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:37:57 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Fiddle and Drum TV Special Giood news ! It appears as if the new ballet will be recorded for a TV special. http://www.jubileeauditorium.com/northern/calendar/R0702001.htm Legendary Canadian artist Joni Mitchell and acclaimed choreographer and artistic director of Alberta Ballet, Jean Grand-Mantre, have come together to collaborate on a unique fusion of dance, art and music, which will also be featured in a one-hour television special. The one-hour television special will focus on the unprecedented collaboration between Alberta born Joni Mitchell and choreographer Jean Grand-Mantre, who have become great colleagues in the process. The performance special will be recorded to television in high-definition and produced for CHUM/Bravo by Calgary-based Joe Media Group. Michael in Quibec _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:43:54 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: Carlos Castaneda not much jc While reading the book, I do sorta feel like I am being duped. It doesn't sit well with me. Yet, I love and can relate to Joni's "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" - my favorite album of all time! The book and the album are on two different planes. The album is so magical and riveting, and makes me journey to places of the soul where no psychedelic drug could ever match. Is Joni a point in space where the two planes are supposed to intersect or something? Why does she give Carlos Castaneda such glowing recommendations - and this is recent, from the late 1990's, not from the 60's and 70's. It is unfortunate, as you say, that Joni has dabbled in so many fake Native American connections - but, on the other hand, if that helped to inspire "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" - maybe it's not so bad. Back when Joni was working cheap, she sang "Mr. Blue," and these lyrics came out: "Mr. Blue, you missed the shot Didn't turn out quite the way you thought It would, I'll bet, cause you got caught Out playing Donald Juan" Translating Don Juan into Donald Juan seems reckless and erroneous on her part, and I've often wondered if that is why she later referred to herself has "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." Just another one of my dumb thoughts. Mia < Subject: Re: Sad news HI Sherelle and all Joni pals Thanks very much for posting this for me Sherelle. I was not able to do so. I have felt strength from all of your kind letters and calls. The fact that I am on the road and busy all the time helps alot. I will be flying to Detroit tomorrow for the services tomorrow afternoon and then fly back first thing on Weds to Baltimore. Thanks to everyone again for all your love and support. Best Paz On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: I did not put a njc tag on this because this concerns a dear Joniamigo. I just got a call from Paz tonight. We've been trying to make plans to get together next week in Baltimore with Claudia and John. Our dear friend Michael Paz has lost his brother Donald Joseph Allen to ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). No one including Donald knew he had it until about three weeks before his death. Paz of course is pretty out of it. He said someone took him out last night and got him to take his mind off of things instead of him just going to his room to fall apart. He said that later he did go to his room and thankfully passed out. The group was onstage performing while he was on the phone with me. I asked him if he would like me to post on his behalf and he said he would. the funeral is Tuesday I believe and he will be flying back to Baltimore on Wednesday. I plan to make sure I am there to meet him in Baltimore and stand by my friend at this sorrowful time. He has suffered so much loss within these past two years yet he has been brave and courageous enough to keep living life to the fullest anyway. He truly is an inspiration to me and I feel so blessed to even know him. Please say a prayer or think some good thoughts to get him through this difficult time. He is our Joni friend of the heart. Thanks so much. Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:16:08 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Sure she was on AM Top 40 radio..."Help Me" was a top ten hit single (her only one) which meant that it got plenty of airplay on AM & FM. I'm with you, I was not listening to AM at the time either. And as for Sean, I don't think he was even born when C&S came out. Bob NP: Roxana Amed, "Goodbye" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:04:38 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20=20=20book?= i enjoyed reading the book! i just like to pass along books after a read. and i'm more than a little embarrassed to be negative. lesli - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:55:43 -0800 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" To: LESLI A WATTS Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > Nelson dislikes all but a >narrow range of Joni's work..> this was probably my problem with it. > >Quoting LESLI A WATTS : > >> ok, ok >> what do i know? points well taken. >> i'll admit i read it quickly - i enjoyed it, but i wouldn't keep it. >> you are i guess more open and an archivist at heart. >> I immediately questioned the idea of joni on am radio because that's >> not how i remember it. he probably did hear her there though. at >> that time i was listening to fm exclusively mostly jazz and joni on >> records. i felt like it was a heartfelt analysis, but derived from >> interviews i've read. he did draw his own conclusions and that is >> beautiful.. surely better than i'm willing to do. >> >> lesli the critic of all expression - just judgment in black and white >> who is procrastinating before a government deadline and a job interview. >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ------------- >> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:34:53 -0800 >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> To: "LESLI A WATTS" >> Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book= 20 >> >> >>> >> guess about the making of that album.> >>> >>> Not sure what you mean by this, Lesli...I'm almost to the end of it (I've >>> been savoring it and reading it in short spurts) and it doesn't really >>> detail the 'making' of the album at all. I would think that a book about >>> "the making of that album" would refer to the details of the song writing >>> and the sessions, packaging and marketing etc and none of that really gets >>> discussed. Instead there's a fascinating song by song (and darn near line >>> by line) analysis of each song as well as the arc of Joni's career to that >>> and after that point, putting C&S in context of the entire body of work, >>> of which Sean Nelson has an incredible mastery, as good as anyone on this >>> list I would say. And also incredible given his youthfulness. >>> >>> Here's a little blurb I found on his website: >>> http://www.seannelson.net/news/joni.html >>> >>> That's very cool that you're willing to pass it on - I give this book a >>> HUGE thumbs up and I'm sure someone will be happy to take it off your >>> hands. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> NP: Roxana Amed, "Vanishing" >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >>> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >>> are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >>> dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >>> in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >>> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>> material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >>> are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >>> the views of the company. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:41:37 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Can anyone help me identify recordings I found in my Joni Stuff? Hi all-- I recently located some live, possibly bootleg LPs that have been hiding in my collection for years, and I'm trying to learn anything I can about them. Perhaps some of you knowledgeable listers could be of help? One of them is called "Joni Mitchell and James Taylor" and it has the fuchsia, black and white drawing of the two birds with "In Perfect Harmony" somewhat disguised in the drawing (remember that great hippie lettering style?" The actual LP only has the numbers "1" and "2" and no track listings. JT and Joni seem to trade off doing songs, but at the end, they actually sing together. Newport or Monterey pop Festival? The next one in the nest--an entirely blank white cover. The LP says Side One and Side Two, JM 1973. There's a sheet of paper inside that says "Joni Mitchell/Lennie and Dom Songs (Early On) Recorded Live in Concert." Buy the way, Monica, this has the complete recording of "Get Together" on it. Big Sur? I also found a CSNY recording called "Wooden Nickel" by Canyon Records, with Guinnevere, Birds, 4 + 20, You Don't Have to Cry, Suite Judy Blue Eyes, Listen Once Again to my Bluebird, Sea of Madness and Down By the River. The recordings are all good quality, and except for a little snap, crackle and pop from being old LPs, they are in pretty good condition. Does anyone know how to make CDs from LPs? I would hate to wear these out, and I would be happy to share them if I could get them converted. Sorry for the really long post. If anyone wants more info about the contents of these LPs, shoot me an e-mail off list--I would be happy to listen to these again and make notes. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:05:14 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Carlos Castaneda not much jc I don't know how creepy it is, but it is fiction, as far as I can tell. Skeptical reporters have looked into the times Castaneda claimed to be in Mexico and found he was holed up in an L.A. apartment. Then in the 4th book, Don Juan goes to NYC and admits he is a figment of CC's imagination. I have only read the first one, and while I found it well written, I felt like it was largely bullshit. Castaneda sets himself up as an inquisitive idiot, so Don Juan can continually save his dumb ass and explain his 'wisdom'. It's some classic Greek thing, right? You philosophy majors know what I mean. There are many inconsistencies with Indian tradition, for one thing, they didn't smoke marijuana, which didn't exist in the New World until brought here by African slaves. Dime store mysticism, IMO-but I know alot of people have enjoyed the books, and they were wildly successful in the late 60's when everyone was taking all kinds of drugs, and the idea of a hallucinating, flying Shaman appealed to the imagination. Unfortunately, Joni has consistently dabbled in Native American connections that are fake. I don't blame her for this, she is far too busy being an artist/composer to delve too deeply into literature. But the record remains: Iron Eyes Cody, who chants on one of her songs, was an Italian posing as Indian, the Chief Seattle letter she reprinted in one of her recent re-releases is widely considered an invention of a reporter, and then there's Don Juan, a shaman no one but Castaneda has ever met. One of Castaneda's followers made a movie about him that casts doubt on his story; reviewed here: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/02/movies/02ENIG.html?ex=1401508800&en=fe754666d913da1a&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND None of this may matter to Joni-maybe there are valuble pearls of wisdom therein, but they eluded me. Interestingly, I saw a mention that Castaneda was a regular of Esalen around 1970 (where the Celebration at Big Sur movie was made), so maybe they met. RR From: "mia _" > Joni recommended reading Carlos Castaneda. So now I am reading "The > Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge." Is it just me, or is > this some creepy stuff? Finding your spot in a room that protects you > from danger, meeting up with Mescalito (after ingesting peyote buttons), > running into evil-doers who disguise themselves as people you know.... > > Castaneda explains that the book is both an ethnography and an allegory. > Does this mean it is not real or that it never happened the way we are > reading it. If we are learning about an altered reality of a select group > of people, is the book itself in any way altered from the reality of what > really happened? Is Don Juan playing with Castaneda's head? Is Castaneda > playing with our heads? > > Anyone care to discuss? > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:47:01 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: John Brown, njc "His final attempt was quashed last month when the military judge, Lt. Col. John Head, ruled Watada cannot base his defense on the war's legality." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:55:29 +0100 From: "Julian Paker-Burns" Subject: Kipling's "If" Laura was inspired to post Kipling's "If"...and from this I must say that for the past while I've been listening to a collection called The Acoustic Folk Box which has a track by Vin Garbutt performing an a capella version of "If". Done with his thick Irish accent and jig-like melody he lays down the law of "If". Growing up I remember seeing a couple of different posters of Kipling's "If" so it seems it had an effect on several generations. I can't wait to hear what Joni does whith it. regards, Julian - -- Please visit my website in progress at: julianparkerburns.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:04:37 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Can anyone help me identify recordings I found in my Joni Stuff? Neither - here's the info: http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1297 Nope. It was bootlegged from the broadcast of this appearance: http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1259 Both of these have already been lovingly transferred to CD and extensively traded. I can bring copies to Jonifest for you if you like! (One of the benefits of showing up at Jonifest...) Bob NP: The Beatles, "Revolution" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:41:51 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest questions Dear Monika, You don't have to have a hotel, Full Moon Resort has several types of rooms and you can get your meals there - the food is great - and as Les said, once you get there no need to leave til you're going home! I really hope you will decide to come on up, Jonifest is not to be missed by people who "get it". I attended my first fest in 2001 and have been to every Jonifest and Joni "mini-fest" I could get to!!! I never miss one if I can possibly help it, it's one of the greatest experiences ever. Donna from Texas >>> 2/5/2007 11:24 AM >>> Well I've got the day off from work today because I had an appointment earlier this morning. Anyway, I've got a few questions about Jonifest. What do you think the value of getting a one or two day pass is? I was thinking about maybe driving out there for just a day or two, giving myself a birthday treat (my birthday is that Friday of Jonifest!), and attending? If I get a two day pass, I'd just stay up all night as I don't have a hotel or anything. No problem, I love nighttime. If I get a one day pass I was thinking I would just get there early, stay late, and then leave. Now if I arrive on Saturday do I just show up at the Full Moon Resort and the good people there will show me where to go? Is there an itinerary? Does it all happen right there? Is there a specific time to arrive? What exactly happens at this thing? I really don't know how this works so if someone could even message me off the list to provide some details who has been to one of these, it'd be very much appreciated. I've got the urge for going to this thing so I'm just trying to figure it out rationally. I'm trying to get a friend to go but she's not sure about how much money she can afford to spend. I don't want to drive out of state alone! I may not make it alone! But this just seems so very interesting. And as far as payment goes, can I pay by money order? Usually when doing something online, it requires a credit card...... - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:27:31 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Carlos Castaneda not much jc I read the first 3 or 4 books when I was a teenager so my memory is a bit vague, but I remember the first one being a kind of a "scholarly" document. A descriptive account of what he experienced including an appendix and/or footnotes. The next ones got alot stranger as he was more deeply involved. By the 4th book, it was too strange for me and I gave up trying to understand what was going on. I don't know if he was a fake or delusional. If I had a day to spend I'd google his name. I think in Mr. Blue she was referring to the other Don Juan - the ladies man Doug mia _ wrote: > While reading the book, I do sorta feel like I am being duped. It > doesn't sit well with me. Yet, I love and can relate to Joni's "Don > Juan's Reckless Daughter" - my favorite album of all time! The book > and the album are on two different planes. The album is so magical and > riveting, and makes me journey to places of the soul where no > psychedelic drug could ever match. Is Joni a point in space where the > two planes are supposed to intersect or something? Why does she give > Carlos Castaneda such glowing recommendations - and this is recent, > from the late 1990's, not from the 60's and 70's. It is unfortunate, > as you say, that Joni has dabbled in so many fake Native American > connections - but, on the other hand, if that helped to inspire "Don > Juan's Reckless Daughter" - maybe it's not so bad. > > Back when Joni was working cheap, she sang "Mr. Blue," and these > lyrics came out: > > "Mr. Blue, you missed the shot > Didn't turn out quite the way you thought > It would, I'll bet, cause you got caught > Out playing Donald Juan" > > Translating Don Juan into Donald Juan seems reckless and erroneous on > her part, and I've often wondered if that is why she later referred to > herself has "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." > > Just another one of my dumb thoughts. > > > Mia > > > > < can tell. Skeptical reporters have looked into the > times Castaneda claimed to be in Mexico and found he > was holed up in an L.A. apartment. Then in the 4th book, > Don Juan goes to NYC and admits he is a figment of > CC's imagination. I have only read the first one, and > while I found it well written, I felt like it was largely > bullshit. Castaneda sets himself up as an inquisitive idiot, > so Don Juan can continually save his dumb ass and > explain his 'wisdom'. It's some classic Greek thing, > right? You philosophy majors know what I mean. > There are many inconsistencies with Indian tradition, > for one thing, they didn't smoke marijuana, which didn't > exist in the New World until brought here by African > slaves. > Dime store mysticism, IMO-but I know alot of people > have enjoyed the books, and they were wildly successful > in the late 60's when everyone was taking all kinds of > drugs, and the idea of a hallucinating, flying Shaman > appealed to the imagination. > Unfortunately, Joni has consistently dabbled in Native > American connections that are fake. I don't blame her > for this, she is far too busy being an artist/composer to > delve too deeply into literature. But the record remains: > Iron Eyes Cody, who chants on one of her songs, was > an Italian posing as Indian, the Chief Seattle letter she > reprinted in one of her recent re-releases is widely > considered an invention of a reporter, and then there's > Don Juan, a shaman no one but Castaneda has ever > met. One of Castaneda's followers made a movie about > him that casts doubt on his story; reviewed here: > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/02/movies/02ENIG.html?ex=1401508800&en=fe754666d913da1a&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND > > None of this may matter to Joni-maybe there are valuble > pearls of wisdom therein, but they eluded me. > Interestingly, I saw a mention that Castaneda was a regular > of Esalen around 1970 (where the Celebration at Big Sur > movie was made), so maybe they met. > RR > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #54 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------