From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Brits and the grape... NJC ["mike pritchard" ] sad news, now njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Brits and the grape... NJC [Em ] New York Times interviews Joni, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Brits and the grape... NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Brits and the grape... NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC converting [Victor Johnson ] Re: Another Joni anecdote [Motitan@aol.com] Re: sad news, now njc [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC converting [Motitan@aol.com] Re: New York Times article ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Playing for the gov (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Brits and the grape... NJC ["mia _" ] Heckman's review of BLUE [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC converting ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC converting ["ron" ] Re: NJC converting ["Randy Remote" ] Rudyard Kipling, If [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC converting [Bob Muller ] grrrr! [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: questions for Joni [LCStanley7@AOL.COM] Re: grrrr! ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Sad news ["Randy Remote" ] With Great Pleasure - Lynne Truss [Gertus@aol.com] I have a new blog!!! Go look at it!!! [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] OOPS...lol addy for the blog...... [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] BYT time warp?? [] Re: Sad news [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: questions for Joni ["gene" ] RE: questions for Joni ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Rudyard Kipling, If [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Rudyard Kipling, If [Deb Messling ] RE: questions for Joni [mags h ] Re: grrrr! [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Rudyard Kipling, If ["Richard Flynn" ] Remastered Beatles back catalog coming soon? njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama"] Re: Returning Joni discs to the library [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #38 [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:15:52 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC Victor posted >>I just heard that global warming was responsible for delaying the Joni Mitchell reissues, and for the recent football riots in Italy.<< No, no, Victor. What actually happened was that the tear gas that the police in the Italian football stadium used was sucked up into the atmosphere and was carried on the winds to California, where strange meteorological conditions (see Waits, T. "Emotional Weather Report") 'dropped' the gas into the garden where Joni's cat was snoozing in the afternoon sun, producing a violent reaction in the poor wretch. Ms Mitchell, halfway down the driveway in the Lexus, (on her way to the recording studio), heard the cat retching and stopped the car and called up the studio to cancel the session. That's why we're not getting the reissues. Fact. mike in barcelona np that song about the midway jm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:32:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: sad news, now njc oh my goodness. . . another loss for Paz? Donald ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:21:43 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Sad news I did not put a njc tag on this because this concerns a dear Joniamigo. I just got a call from Paz tonight. We've been trying to make plans to get together next week in Baltimore with Claudia and John. Our dear friend Michael Paz has lost his brother Donald Joseph Allen to ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). No one including Donald knew he had it until about three weeks before his death. Paz of course is pretty out of it. He said someone took him out last night and got him to take his mind off of things instead of him just going to his room to fall apart. He said that later he did go to his room and thankfully passed out. The group was onstage performing while he was on the phone with me. I asked him if he would like me to post on his behalf and he said he would. the funeral is Tuesday I believe and he will be flying back to Baltimore on Wednesday. I plan to make sure I am there to meet him in Baltimore and stand by my friend at this sorrowful time. He has suffered so much loss within these past two years yet he has been brave and courageous enough to keep living life to the fullest anyway. He truly is an inspiration to me and I feel so blessed to even know him. Please say a prayer or think some good thoughts to get him through this difficult time. He is our Joni friend of the heart. Thanks so much. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:47:38 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC one of the HUGE things that struck me, that Gore said in the flick (and I'm afraid I will have to paraphrase) is that if the USA can, within 10 years, get all our vehicles to be comparable in size and emissions compliance to the cars in Europe, that this global warming effect could acutally be put into "reverse". That if we could tighten our belts just that much, we might be able to keep the sh_t from hitting the fan. Cuz if Greenland or that one chunk of Antarctica breaks off, we, in FL, are NOT gonna be sitting pretty. Well actually, I might find myself with waterfront property. As my friend who works for Ford said when we talked about "An Inconvenient Truth": "I drank the Kool-Aid". She believes it. Even though it is probably in her best interest NOT to believe it/buy into it. I think we are making it (much higher emissions standards) happen, just not quickly enough. Em - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > And what are Al Gore's solutions to the "man-made" warming? Flying > around > less in private jets? "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without, we can't pay for the things you want to buy. Wear your old, faded jeans, they are patched but they are clean, walk proud, my son, and hold your head up high.."......Don Grooms ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: New York Times interviews Joni, 100% JC I'm re-posting the link because it's a big interview. It seems like Joni Mitchell is in a good place right now. I hope everyone has a pleasant Sunday. Jim L. cc: JoniFest list Les said, >Wow. one of those interviews that comes around only rarely: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC converting It's a funny thing about converting or wanting to convert others to things we are interested in. For myself, I'm always stuck between believing myself to be different and wanting to feel like I fit in. For instance, there have been many bands or groups that I picked up on and enjoyed, and part of the pleasure was that I felt like only *I* knew about them (Ben Folds 1st album, Death Cab For Cutie, for instance). Eventually they would become popular and that pleasure was pretty much gone, although I still liked the music I no longer felt like I was different from every other drone listening and/or talking about them. But by the same token, there's a certain validation in seeing something that you feel like you discovered become popular. Unfortunately sometimes it means that the entity has had to sell out to gain a wider audience and you don't like them anymore. Joni is somewhat unique in that regard. It's damn near impossible to convert someone to her music, it can be very polarizing. And Joni helps us, the already converted, by eschewing things that work solely to make her more popularly accepted. Is there something inexplicable in our DNA that allows us to fully appreciate Joni Mitchell? The Joni gene? Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Purr" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:43:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC One example that was cited in the film was the production of Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's) and how they were basically eliminated when the dangers were made known. I don't recall a lot of hysteria (Oh my god, a styrofoam cup - run for your lives!) but rather enough awareness (and a little pressure on Dupont) to identify and solve the problem. It's the same with climate change, only this time it's a myriad of issues. Bob NP: Harry Nilsson, "Vine St" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:08:52 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC It just occurred to me a cool song for you to do at Jonifest would be Tom Waits "Walking Spanish Down the Hall" though I don't know if Roberto is coming but maybe you could con someone into learning it. Tom Waits "Walking Spanish Down the Hall" He's got himself a homemade special You know his glass is full of sand And it feels just like a jaybird the way it fits into his hand He rolled a blade up in his trick towel They slap their hands against the wall You never trip, you never stumble He's walking spanish down the hall Slip him a picture of our jesus Or give him a spoon to dig a hole What all he done aint no ones business But hell need blankets for the cold They dim the lights over on broadway Even the king has bowed his head And every face looks right up at mason Man he's walking spanish down the hall Litellas screeching for a blind pig Punk sanders carved it out of wood He never sang when he got hoodwinked They tried it all but he never would Tomorrow morning therell be laundry But hell be somewhere else to hear the call Dont say goodbye, hes just leaving early He's walking spanish down the hall All st. barthelemew said Was whispered into the ear of blind jack dawes All baker told the machine was that he never broke the law Go on and tip your hat up to the pilate Take off your watch, your rings and all Even jesus wanted just a little more time When he was walking spanish down the hall Victor NP: just finished listening to 10 different versions of Autumn Leaves....oh the things I have to do for jazz class On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:15 AM, mike pritchard wrote: > Victor posted > >>> I just heard that global warming was responsible for delaying the >>> Joni > Mitchell reissues, and for the recent football riots in Italy.<< > > No, no, Victor. What actually happened was that the tear gas that > the police > in the Italian football stadium used was sucked up into the > atmosphere and was > carried on the winds to California, where strange meteorological > conditions > (see Waits, T. "Emotional Weather Report") 'dropped' the gas into > the garden > where Joni's cat was snoozing in the afternoon sun, producing a > violent > reaction in the poor wretch. Ms Mitchell, halfway down the driveway > in the > Lexus, (on her way to the recording studio), heard the cat retching > and > stopped the car and called up the studio to cancel the session. > That's why > we're not getting the reissues. Fact. > mike in barcelona > np that song about the midway jm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:13:15 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC converting Did anyone ever try to convert their parents into what they were listening to? I was constantly trying to convert my dad into a Rush fan when I was a teenager and failed miserably. I was always quoting lyrics and pointing out how eloquent and prolific they were but when I tried to actually get him to listen it was of course, too loud. What's cool now is that since my dad grew up with jazz we can at least share an appreciation for that. Victor On Feb 4, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > It's a funny thing about converting or wanting to convert others to > things we > are interested in. For myself, I'm always stuck between believing > myself to be > different and wanting to feel like I fit in. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:10:29 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Joni anecdote BTW, are you going to try to make it to JoniFest? I would love to meet you! - --------------------------- Hmm. I haven't signed up for anything yet. I have been looking at prices and such though, I can't deny that. It would be my heart's desire to go but....we'll see. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:18:59 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: sad news, now njc I am very sad for his loss. There are really no words you can say at a time like this. I just hope he makes it through ok. May his brother's soul rest in peace. My thoughts will lie with him and his family. - -monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:28:22 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC converting that work solely to make her more popularly accepted. Is there something inexplicable in our DNA that allows us to fully appreciate Joni Mitchell? The Joni gene? - -------------- Studies have been done that do say....haha just kidding of course. Wouldn't that be something though? - ---- Did anyone ever try to convert their parents into what they were listening to? - ------------------------------------------------ Well my parents are into Polish music, Dolly Parton, and Bob Seger so I have not tried anything on them. Before when I was watching some Who DVDS (such as the 75' Houston Summit concert or The Kids Are Alright or Who's Better, Who's Best) my Aunt would walk in and sit down and watch (she used to live with us). However, the most I ever got out of her was her gushing about how handsome Roger Daltrey is, hehe. Although she did say he had a good voice as well and did ask what was wrong with Keith Moon because of all his antics, heh. But that was that! As far as my friends are concerned, I did convert one of my best friends to a Beatlesaholic. She had known a few songs that she liked that she didn't realize were by them. Her Mom used to play them when she was young so she had them in the back of her mind anyway. Anyhow I made her a few mixed cds and now years later she still loves them and we have numerous conversations about how underrated George Harrison is or how much we love John Lennon's voice (or when we're in a bad mood) how we think Paul McCartney is a wanker and didn't take chances musically speaking after the Beatles (my apologies to McCartney fans but I just don't like him outside of the Beatles). - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:47:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New York Times article Les, this is a fantastic and revealing article! Thanks so much for posting it! I especially like the part (and I paraphrase) where she doesn't like to be worshipped but she also doesn't like to be spat out either. Wow! Sherelle From: "Les Irvin" Wow. one of those interviews that comes around only rarely: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1547 Les NP: Pat Metheny "Two Folk Songs" with Michael Brecker.. _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:55:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Playing for the gov (njc) Hey my friend, this is great news!!!! I'm glad you will be able to throw some Joni into the mix! I get excited just thinking about you playing that Steinway baby grand! Please do well and keep us posted! Love, Sherelle From: Victor Johnson Just lined up a cool gig yesterday. I'll be playing at the governor's mansion in Atlanta for some sort of dinner with the Georgia legislature,etc... The lady who booked me said I'll be playing on a 100 year old Steinway baby grand. Just background dinner music stuff, some light jazz and pop ballads...I'm definately going to throw some Joni songs in the mix though, Chinese Cafe (one of my favorite songs), maybe Case of You, River, Little Green, who knows. She mentioned several times that everyone will be talking and not really paying attention (which doesn't faze me...after awhile you just get used to it...lol) but you never know. There might be a Joni Mitchell fan who happens to be in the Georgia Congress. I'm not a big fan of Sonny Perdue but as much as I'd like to, I'm not going to say a word about any political issues even though I totally think they should allow sales of beer, wine AND liquor on Sundays, which will probably never happen while he's in office but that's neither here nor there. Although there are only four states left with the much outdate blue laws (Georgia, Connecticut, Utah, and South Carolina, the home of Bob Jones and Bob Muller.) The following weekend I'm playing a private Valentines party and will be playing a fair amount of Joni and Stevie Wonder. Victor NP: ESPNHD _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: NJC converting My Bro Bob wrote: > It's a funny thing about converting or wanting to convert others to things we > are interested in. For myself, I'm always stuck between believing myself to > be > different and wanting to feel like I fit in. For instance, there have been > many bands or groups that I picked up on and enjoyed, and part of the > pleasure > was that I felt like only *I* knew about them (Ben Folds 1st album, Death Cab > For Cutie, for instance). Eventually they would become popular and that > pleasure was pretty much gone, although I still liked the music I no longer > felt like I was different from every other drone listening and/or talking > about them. > > But by the same token, there's a certain validation in seeing > something that you feel like you discovered become popular. Unfortunately > sometimes it means that the entity has had to sell out to gain a wider > audience and you don't like them anymore. > > Joni is somewhat unique in that > regard. It's damn near impossible to convert someone to her music, it can be > very polarizing. And Joni helps us, the already converted, by eschewing > things > that work solely to make her more popularly accepted. Is there something > inexplicable in our DNA that allows us to fully appreciate Joni Mitchell? The > Joni gene? You might remember that I had an epiphany at Jonifest 2003 on the same subject. String theory tells us that everything is made up of these vibrating bits of energy/matter (remember Einstein's proof that energy and matter are the same) and those of us with the "Joni gene" are resonating at the same frequency that she emits. It bypasses our conscious minds and goes directly to our heart strings and our souls. Those of us ultra-sensitive to Joni (ever been walking through a store and pick up on an almost inaudible note or two and realize that it's Joni's music playing?) resonate at the frequency of Joni. We are that "weird chord." There are other artists that we love, but it is Joan we have in common, and at the top of the heap. Thank you Bob for everything you do to spread the word. I think that Joni covers beget even more Joni covers and your Covers Project is the stuffed olive in that ultimate martini. Have a great superbowl sunday everyone, and may the better (today) team win! Brian, resonating with Joni since 1971 (thank you Linda B!) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:09:50 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC > There are plenty of scientists who disagree with Al gore. That's a >fact! Who? Seriously, I don't know any of their names. Do you?>> Dr. Kent Hovind for one. Rec'd his PhD from the university of his basement...proclaims humans have walked hand-in-hand with dinosaurs during the medieval period. Anyway, why all the fuss over Al Gore? He is only deliving to the people what the "real'' scientific community has been saying for decades - humans are a major contributor to global warming. It's not like Al Gore has pulled this out of his behind. And, imo, Al Gore did not go far enough in his presentation - although the follow-up in the special features selection helped somewhat. And what's not to believe? Look at the data. Look at the property and casuality insurance companies factoring this data into their actuarial tables. Follow the money! Look at the big corporations and oil boys hiring pseudo-scientists to write articles disputing scientific fact and paying off extreme right-wing radio talk show hosts to support their agenda. Follow the money! And look at all the real scientists who work for the government who have had their writings unscrupulously edited by the Bush Administration! Many have quit over this. What is the incentive for the scientists to come out with this information? So we may feel good about ourselves? C'mon -gimme a break! Yes, the planet will go on like it always has until the sun swallows up our Mother Earth. But there are things we can do now to prevent massive suffering and preserve our own species and many others in the meantime. Is it not our duty? The time for action IS NOW! Mia - (who used to think she was well-positioned, living near Milwaukee - far away from the oceans - only to learn from a scientist -who has two PhD's from "accredited" universities- that Lake Michigan will likely swell also, and could start to swallow up Milwaukee - possibly starting 50-100 years from now, but more likely 100-200 years from now.) _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo  buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:31:28 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Heckman's review of BLUE Don (not Dan) Heckman is a good friend of mine and was one of the most astute writers about jazz during the 1960s. But this sentence, at the end of his review of BLUE, per the JMDL Library, (however justified it might have seemed in 1971) turned out to be so completely off the mark that it's laughable: "The audience for art songs is far smaller than that for folk ballads, and Joni Mitchell is on the verge of having to make a decision between the two." Don's mistake was not to foresee that Joni would create her own kind of music, which could not be categorized under any name known at the time. DAVID LAHM ____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:02:34 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC converting Brian, that is brilliant, and damned if it doesn't make perfect sense, scientifically and intuitively! Bravo! I nominate Brian's theory for ....well, for something, masthead, mission statement, part of the official jmdl oath.... > My Bro Bob wrote: >> Is there something >> inexplicable in our DNA that allows us to fully appreciate Joni Mitchell? >> The >> Joni gene? > > You might remember that I had an epiphany at Jonifest 2003 on the same > subject. > String theory tells us that everything is made up of these vibrating bits > of > energy/matter (remember Einstein's proof that energy and matter are the > same) > and those of us with the "Joni gene" are resonating at the same frequency > that > she emits. It bypasses our conscious minds and goes directly to our heart > strings and our souls. Those of us ultra-sensitive to Joni (ever been > walking > through a store and pick up on an almost inaudible note or two and realize > that > it's Joni's music playing?) resonate at the frequency of Joni. > > We are that "weird chord." There are other artists that we love, but it > is > Joan we have in common, and at the top of the heap. > Brian, resonating with Joni since 1971 (thank you Linda B!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:01:07 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC converting hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>>Is there something inexplicable in our DNA that allows us to fully >>>>>appreciate Joni Mitchell? The Joni gene? the gene with a little lace along the seam??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:12:12 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC converting From: "Victor Johnson" > Did anyone ever try to convert their parents into what they were > listening to? I was constantly trying to convert my dad into a Rush > fan when I was a teenager and failed miserably. My folks were quietly tolerant of my Beatles obsession-but I don't think they liked it much. I felt a twinge of glee when my dad came home from work once whistling a tune he had heard on the muzak system, and after much convincing, proved that it was "Norweigan Wood". I did manage to turn him on to "Alice's Restaurant", he loved the humor and folksiness of it. He liked Dan Hicks too, and borrowed one of the LPs. King Crimson, Pink Floyd (Jon Stewart pause)..not so much. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:32:40 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Rudyard Kipling, If This poem inspires Joni and so I'm posting it here... it moves me too. Love, Laura IF If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too, If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much, If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC converting < think that Joni covers beget even more Joni covers and your Covers Project is the stuffed olive in that ultimate martini.> Hey, I'll drink to that, Bro! And it's also very true - listening to #85 you can hear how the CSNY Woodstock cover inspired a couple of those, not to mention all the BYT's spawned by The Counting Crows or the ACOY's inspired by Diana Krall. Heck, just yesterday I heard a Circle Game cover from 1970 inspired by the Ian Campbell group cover - now THAT'S obscure. And given the year it came out it's likely that the artist had never heard Joni's version. Bob NP: Dennis Buck, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:40:10 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: grrrr! "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western musical theory." David Yaffe, Syracuse Univ.Professor, writing about JM in today's NYT. Such ignorance-or is it an attempt to get our attention with something "outrageous?"-is just infuriating. To me, JM did something far more admirable than break rules: she showed how fresh and original, how sensual, music can sound although it uses only traditional materials. If Yaffe were correct...how could there be a songbook with "Amelia" in it? The best that can be said for Yaffe is that he might have been disoriented by the unusual sounds that result from conventional chords being played on guitar in non-standard tunings. smoke issuing from ears, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:56:59 EST From: LCStanley7@AOL.COM Subject: Re: questions for Joni > magaine you meet up with Joni and > you can actually speak. . . > > what are the 100 questions you would ask her? (add to the list) > > 1. Who is Martha? > Hi Mariannie, "Magaine"... asking too many questons might give Joni one. The question I'd ask is: "Can I have the clothes you no longer want to wear?" I know I'm a beggar, but I love her style and love hand me downs. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:06:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: grrrr! Ha-yeah my eyebrows raised there, too---sure they have technical names-sometimes more than one! When it comes to chords, are there really any rules? I think not. RR From: "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western > musical theory." > > David Yaffe, Syracuse Univ.Professor, writing about JM in today's > NYT. > > Such ignorance-or is it an attempt to get our attention with something > "outrageous?"-is just infuriating. To me, JM did something far more > admirable than > break rules: she showed how fresh and original, how sensual, music can > sound > although it uses only traditional materials. > > If Yaffe were correct...how could there be a songbook with "Amelia" in it? > > The best that can be said for Yaffe is that he might have been > disoriented > by the > unusual sounds that result from conventional chords being played on guitar > in non-standard tunings. > > smoke issuing from ears, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:00:33 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Sad news Oh man-there are no words to say-but we are with you dear friend Michael- so sorry to hear about your loss- We are stardust - BYT played on the radio as I read Sherelle's post. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:40:23 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: With Great Pleasure - Lynne Truss Lynne Truss is a popular British writer, probably most famous for her book, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves". Last week the literary passions which shaped her writings were featured in the BBC radio 4 series "With Great Pleasure". Guess what? She includes A Case of You which is both played and recited in the program. You can hear the program here:- _BBC - Radio 4 - With Great Pleasure_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/withgreatpleasure/) Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:45:14 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: I have a new blog!!! Go look at it!!! Hey everyone I now have a new blog all of my own....Feel free to go read it and post your thoughts! I'm going to regularly be adding to it and posting comments and thoughts on various things, so check back from time to time and see what you think about it.....Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:50:40 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: OOPS...lol addy for the blog...... The addy for the blog is.....http://blondeinthebleachers.blogspot.com Hope you all enjoy! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:15:28 -0800 From: Subject: BYT time warp?? Mingus sent a great article yesterday and then there was a list of Joni's song's inducted into the HOF. But where oh where did the information below come from?? BYT was on the Ladies of the Canyon album which came out in 1970 not 1975!! Sure, she wrote it about Hawaii but it was on an obviously earlier trip. The '73 event was a concert there with Jackson Browe (although I recall it being summer of '72 because friends were there). Anyway, whether '72 or '73 she did perform it there and it was huge because of the theme and the Hawaii slack key feel. It has been recorded by several local Hawaiian artists over the years. Kakki SONG INDUCTEE: BIG YELLOW TAXI MODERN ERA. 1956 to 1981 YEAR: 1975 LYRICIST & COMPOSER: JONI MITCHELL (b. Fort Macleod, Alberta, 7 November 1943) Big Yellow Taxi is Joni Mitchells most recognized song despite having only reached number 24 on the Billboard charts upon its release in 1975 from her album Ladies of the Canyon. Admired for Mitchells unique melody and soothing vocal work, the song currently ranks as number nine on CBC Radios Top 50: The Canadian Version. Big Yellow Taxi was written in 1973 after Mitchell was in Hawaii peering out of her hotel window hoping to glimpse the breathtaking scenery, only to see an enormous parking lot. The song is about taking nature for granted. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:41:54 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad news I spoke with Michael earlier today...he said Rosie, I was just thinking about you...are you coming to the show? It was just then that I remembered he's in Vineland, NJ today! What time does it start? 3:00 he tells me....it's just turned 2PM. No, I exclaimed, I don't think I'll be making that one! lol I was just thinking about you as well, I'm burning your Dave Matthews vine disks I just received this week. I've lost 2 sibblings as well as both parents, so I think I know just how Michael must be feeling right about now, but I didn't want to get him started.... Rosie in NJ w/o a TV...aaarrgggggghhhhhhhh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:45:19 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: questions for Joni nice thread, i'll delurk for this one. i would ask what she does with her artwork she doesn't like. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: questions for Joni >> magaine you meet up with Joni and >> you can actually speak. . . >> >> what are the 100 questions you would ask her? (add to the list) >> >> 1. Who is Martha? >> > > > Hi Mariannie, > > "Magaine"... asking too many questons might give Joni one. > > The question I'd ask is: "Can I have the clothes you no longer want to > wear?" I know I'm a beggar, but I love her style and love hand me downs. > > Love, > Laura > > !DSPAM:144,45c63b3b261391116226921! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:27:07 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: questions for Joni Joni: Once and for all, is it "You're notches liberation doll" or "Your notches liberation doll"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:19:57 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If Ooh, that's a very good poem. I think I'll keep it here and read it when I feel the need. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:29:55 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If The one thing that makes me extremely nervous about Joni's new project is her reverence for this Kipling poem. I admire the sentiments expressed, but I'd scarcely call it a poem at all, merely admirable sentiments expressed in verse. For example, this line: >If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster >And treat those two impostors just the same; reminds me of Joni's lines in DJRD: "puffed up and strutting when I think I win / down and shaken when I think I lose." Joni's lines are a mini-portrait of someone (temporarily, anyway) failing at Kipling's little moral test. But isn't it more striking? And more immediate? Joni is a better poet than Kipling ever dreamed of being. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: RE: questions for Joni les list meister!!!! lol ...rascal! mischief maker...okay, i'm saying it's you're notches..as in notches on the bed post. so there. and new ones want to make comments on that? as for a question to Joni...I'd ask her what she'd like for dinner? And yes, I'd let her smoke in my place :-)) ~mags Les Irvin wrote: Joni: Once and for all, is it "You're notches liberation doll" or "Your notches liberation doll"? ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:34:46 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: grrrr! "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western musical theory." - ------------------------------- Well maybe, maybe not. But that is one of the reasons why her music is so original and inspiring. She doesn't fall into the whole traditional way of writing songs. It doesn't always have to be verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc. She has been a huge inspiration for me lately when it comes to songwriting. Just today I wrote a new song. For what I thought was going to be the last verse, I had written two different verses. I was going to choose which I thought was better but said fuck it, and tacked an extra verse at the end where technically it shouldn't belong. I even thought of Joni for a moment after I did that and thought, "thanks." But its funny how everyone differs. Some people like apples, some like oranges. I like it all. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:14:49 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rudyard Kipling, If I agree, Deb. Kipling's "If" does not represent the best of his work. Kipling, the children's author (Jungle Books, Just So Stories, Kim) is a great artist. "If" is awful--condescending, didactic and coercive. I don't even admire the sentiments expressed. At least Joni is altering the "Man" part of the last line. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Deb Messling Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If The one thing that makes me extremely nervous about Joni's new project is her reverence for this Kipling poem. I admire the sentiments expressed, but I'd scarcely call it a poem at all, merely admirable sentiments expressed in verse. For example, this line: >If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster >And treat those two impostors just the same; reminds me of Joni's lines in DJRD: "puffed up and strutting when I think I win / down and shaken when I think I lose." Joni's lines are a mini-portrait of someone (temporarily, anyway) failing at Kipling's little moral test. But isn't it more striking? And more immediate? Joni is a better poet than Kipling ever dreamed of being. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:44:56 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Remastered Beatles back catalog coming soon? njc Sunday's Dayton Daily News, quoting a story in The Toronto Sun, says all 11 of the Beatles LPs (as released in the UK) will be re-released in June. The story says "state-of-the art 24-bit sound" but then it says the releases will be "CD", not DVD-Audio. ("Love" is available in CD or as a 2-disc set, one CD and one DVD-A). Apparently the story was in the Sun on Wed, January 17, 2007but the Sun site doesn't allow free access to old articles. http://www.torontosun.com/Entertainment/Music/2007/01/17/3393906-sun.html beatles.com doesn't have anything about it. It looks like the official site is solely information about current "product". The marketing team is selling "LOVE" right now. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:33:51 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Returning Joni discs to the library In a message dated 2/4/07 3:02:27 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:17:42 EST > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: STAS/MOA why oh why?!?! > > About a couple weeks ago or so I had to return Song To A Seagull back to the > library because someone else had ordered it and it was therefore on hold. > Checking the system, it is due back on 02/20 and one other person is in > line > ahead of me! That means another 3 weeks more without it after the 20th > unless > the person returns it beforehand. I've been thinking I should just go out > and buy it already but my cd rack is full! > - -Monika > Why not just make a tape (or a CD copy) of the library disc and be done with it? Not having room in your CD rack for another is certainly no reason to not acquire more music... what else in life is more important than music? Okay... you don't need a rack to hold love! Kenny B > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:38:30 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #38 > I have this > annoying obsession with wanting to convert people to the things I like. I > just want to spread the joy! Anyone else like this? > - -Monika > I don't seek to convert anyone who doesn't show an inclination to be converted. But, if someone shows the slightest interest in something I'm obsessed with, I will do everything in my power to answer their questions and satisfy their hunger. Kenny B ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #53 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------