From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 3 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 050 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonifest! [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Sakes alive, it's Volume 85 ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" ] re: Martha? ["c Karma" ] Upcoming Joni Tribute [Bob Muller ] Re: Martha? [Michael Flaherty ] njc, Molly Ivins R.I.P., and we will carry on ["Patti Parlette" ] possible Joni fest newbie [MoVFTYite@aol.com] re: Martha? (njc) ["c Karma" ] Famous Last Words Department ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Martha? (njc) [Victor Johnson ] RE: Famous Last Words Department [Les Irvin ] Re: Famous Last Words Department (njc) [Victor Johnson ] NJC Happy Birthday Graham Nash! [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Famous Last Words Department ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Famous Last Words Department [Scott Price ] Re: Joni anecdote NJC now [Bob Muller ] Re: possible Joni fest newbie NJC [Bob Muller ] Brits and the grape... NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Brits and the grape... NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Famous Last Words Department (njc) ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: The future of Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:25:40 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Jonifest! That's fabulous, Ashara. Do I qualify for a flight from Sydney? :-) Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:57:09 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Sakes alive, it's Volume 85 In a, to me, remarkable coincidence I was introduced to Scottish singer Todd Gordon and his version of Both Sides Now just a few hours back - via his MySpace page (@ http://www.myspace.com/toddgordon ) My thoughts/feelings on launching the player were identical to yours, Bob. And, happily, it turned out that this is a pleasing discovery - he has a lovely voice, and terrific, one may even say, impeccable taste in vocalists, writers, players and accompanists. He gigs a lot, too, so, I'm looking forward to catching him live if I manage to get a night off the next time I'm in the UK. Here's a comment from his self-description: "High on the list of songwriter/ performers I respect are Randy Newman, Joni Mitchell, Dory Previn and Janis Ian." Slainte, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Sakes alive, it's Volume 85 Sounds like it's just another case of JMDL synchronicity, Adrian - a force unto itself. Glad you liked the track - I was fortunate to have a dialogue with Todd and when I told him he reminded me of Mel Torme he beamed with pride as he said Mel was a musical hero of his. Bob NP: Loretta Lynn, "Van Lear Rose" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:09:16 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Martha? Thinking back to the period, the only Martha who made headlines for an extended period and might have been obvious at the time was Martha Mitchell, the wife of Nixon's Attorney General John Mitchell. She made headlines because she refused to shut up about the Watergate scandal and her husband's role in it. It seems to be consistent with the song, no? Given Joni's admiration for those who don't go quietly, I'm thinking Martha is the other Ms. Mitchell. Martha died in a Washiington hospital about a year before DJRD was released, having lapsed into a coma. Maybe it's the lines about Washington from "Otis and Marlena" that point me in that direction? RIP Martha. CC _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo  buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Upcoming Joni Tribute Drops April 24th. Here's what the cover looks like. http://home.nestor.minsk.by/jazz/news/2007/02/0111.html And you know what I REALLY already like about the CD? No BSN No BYT No Circle Game Two songs that have never been covered before. Sweet. Bob NP: Vieux Farka Toure, "Courage" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Martha? >From: c Karma ckarma@hotmail.com >Maybe it's the lines about >Washington from "Otis and Marlena" that point me in that direction? This line is almost certainly referring to the rises in oil prices in the late 70s. I had always wondered about Martha Mitchell being Martha, and maybe she is, but in the context of the lines I think an artist like Martha Graham makes more sense. Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:52:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Molly Ivins R.I.P., and we will carry on Truly a voice that will be missed. Paul In MD Absolument. Thanks so much for bringing this up, Paul. I, too, was stunned and saddened to read of her death. Shocking news. From her very last column, which she dictated due to her weakened state: "We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders. And every single day, every single one of us needs to step outside and take some action to help stop this war. Raise hell. Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous. Make our troops know we're for them and trying to get them out of there. Hit the streets to protest Bush's proposed surge. If you can, go to the peace march in Washington on Jan. 27. We need people in the streets, banging pots and pans and demanding, "Stop it, now!" " From: http://www.creators.com/opinion/molly-ivins/stand-up-against-the-surge.html There are other good articles there, too, for anyone with time on their hands. I take her dying words to heart and mind. Raise the candles high! CODEPINK has vowed to keep raising hell in Molly's name. (Molly attended one of their activist retreats and wrote this afterward: "Women peace activists, as rule, have totally solved the gnarly old dilemma: What do you do about hating the haters? If youre a woman peace activist, this is Step 101you spill love and calm and reassurance and, well, peace all over them. (Which is why its especially funny that George Bush is so afraid of Cindy Sheehan.)" ) She was wonderful. I'll bet eighteen bucks or a quarter in a Wurlitzer that Joni liked her, too. Now who can take her place? I nominate Debra Shea. Love, Patti P. CODEPINK Peacemaker #990 NPIMH: Melanie So raise the candles high Cause if you don't we could stay Black against the sky Oh oh raise them higher again And if you do we could stay dry against the rain _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=football ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:03:12 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Clocks to Spring Forward Early This Year - NJC Clocks to Spring Forward Early This Year http://www.msnbc.msn.com:80/id/16912614/from/ET/ By Charles Babington Updated: 3:39 p.m. ET Feb 1, 2007 WASHINGTON - It seemed so simple and familiar: Spring forward, fall back. For 20 years, that's what Americans - and their technology - have done with their clocks on the first Sunday in April and the last Sunday in October. No longer. When few people were paying attention in August 2005, Congress lengthened daylight saving time by four weeks in the name of energy efficiency. The change takes effect this year - on March 11 - and it has angered airlines, delighted candy makers and sent thousands of technicians scrambling to make sure countless automated systems switch their clocks at the right moment. Unless changed by one method or another, many systems will remain programmed to read the calendar and start daylight saving time on its old date in April, not its new one in March. It's one thing to arrive an hour late for church on the first day of daylight saving. It's another for a security system to log the wrong time of crucial events, for pilots to misunderstand their takeoff times or international communications components to stop synchronizing. But such scenarios are possible without the fix to vast numbers of the nation's technical systems . As IBM notes on its Web site: "Any time-sensitive functions could be impacted by this change. . . . It is important for users to assess their environments and develop appropriate plans for applying the necessary changes." Echoes of Y2K The challenge carries faint echoes of the Y2K scare, when governments and corporations feared computer systems would go berserk the instant that 1999 flipped to 2000. But it has received nothing near the same level of attention. In fact, large swaths of private and corporate America seem oblivious to the approaching change, according to analysts and technicians who track Web sites and swap information with colleagues nationwide. "After building bunkers in the desert for Y2K, we're not even talking about this, and it's happening in less than two months," said Matthew Kozak, an information technology specialist at Rutgers University who monitors numerous sites and discussion groups. Even in the banking industry, where ATMs time-stamp every customer transaction, awareness of the March 11 change is limited. "I haven't heard about it," said Barry Koling, spokesman for Atlanta-based SunTrust Banks. "It seems to me, we managed to get through Y2K. If we can accomplish the change of the millennium, we can handle a change in daylight saving time." For many widely used devices, automatic updates should be easy. Cellphones should flash the correct date and time because they get such information from their service providers' networks. Similarly, the Internet will automatically update clocks on many personal computers that use relatively up-to-date software. But Microsoft cautions that some of its older products - including Windows XP SP1 and Windows NT4 - will require manual updates. The company's Web site provides detailed instructions on how to update various products, although it is pushing against the deadline in some cases. Updates and tools "are being developed and tested," the Web site says, and some will "be released through early March 2007." As a fallback, Microsoft urges customers to double-check meetings scheduled during the four weeks being added to daylight saving time this year. "Users should view any appointments that fall into these date ranges as suspect until they communicate with all meeting invitees to make sure that the item shows up correctly on everyone's calendar both internally and externally," Microsoft says on its Web site. Similarly, network equipment maker Cisco Systems "has undertaken a company-wide initiative to supply documentation that describes how to update each product," the firm said in a recent online notice. "Customers should contact any vendor that uses time-sensitive messaging or other time-stamped communications in order to determine the impact." "This is an important issue," said Cisco spokesman John Noh, cautioning companies and consumers against too much complacency. The congressional debate over expanding daylight saving time barely caused a ripple in the spring and summer of 2005. It was buried in a wide-ranging energy bill that got attention for granting tax breaks to oil and gas companies. Advocates said the nation could save about 100,000 barrels of oil a day by extending daylight saving time, pushing more human activity into sunlight hours and reducing the use of light bulbs. So lawmakers agreed to start daylight saving time three weeks earlier - on the second Sunday in March - and end it a week later, on the first Sunday in November. Some airlines fought the change, saying it would cost millions of dollars to change domestic schedules to match landing and takeoff slots at international airports. But President Bush signed the measure in August 2005, and the matter seemed to hibernate until corporate and government officials began realizing what the March 11 onset might entail. Keeping with history If the change is prompting confusion and consternation, it's in keeping with daylight saving time's curious history. First proposed by Benjamin Franklin, it was briefly adopted by Congress during World War I. In 1966, Congress set daylight saving time to begin in April and end in October but temporarily extended the period during the mid-1970s energy crisis. In 1986, Congress scheduled daylight saving to start at 2 a.m. on the first Sunday in April and to end on the last Sunday in October. And there it has remained for two decades, a period of explosive growth in the use of computers. Although Congress had stopped meddling for 20 years, some states and counties kept feuding. After resisting for years, Indiana adopted daylight saving time last year. But Hawaii does not recognize it, nor does Arizona - except on its large Navajo reservation. If there is a sweet ending to the debate, it will occur Oct. 31. Candy manufacturers lobbied for years to stretch daylight saving time to encompass Halloween. Not only will children have more daylight hours to consume treats, they contend, but they will be safer zipping across streets in their costumes. And if Nov. 1 seems unusually dark and cold when the first school bell rings, perhaps they can warm themselves with thoughts of unused barrels of oil. ) 2007 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:26:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest! > If I may inquire so, how much does it cost to go? Check out the Jonifest Info page, here: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/register/info.cfm, which contains all the information regarding costs, as well as answers to other questions you may have. Lori, only able to be there in spirit this year Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:58:40 EST From: MoVFTYite@aol.com Subject: possible Joni fest newbie Hey all, I'm reading about Jonifest and it sounds so wonderful. I really want to attend -- but I work on Thursday and Friday evenings and Saturday mornings, and I am pretty sure I won't be able to take off work that weekend. Would it be worth it for me to show up on Saturday evening? I hate to miss the first half :-( Seriously, tell me what you think. Angela Gold Denver, CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:10:21 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Martha? (njc) Please see the entry below for more information on "The Mouth of the South." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Beall_Mitchell CC "I'm always talking...chicken squawking!" -- JM _________________________________________________________________ From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:51:48 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Famous Last Words Department Don Heckman in his New York Rimes Review of Blue, wrote: "I suspect this will be the most disliked of Miss Mitchell's recordings, despite the fact that it attempts more and makes greater demands on her talent than any of the others." Full review at: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=801 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:35:22 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Martha? (njc) I thought that was Neal Boortz....oh wait. He's the High Priest of the Church of the Painful Truth. Victor On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:10 PM, c Karma wrote: > Please see the entry below for more information on "The Mouth of > the South." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Beall_Mitchell > > CC > > "I'm always talking...chicken squawking!" -- JM > > _________________________________________________________________ > From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide > to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/? > icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:49:02 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Famous Last Words Department Famous Last Words Department, Chapter 2: "Where [Hissing] suffered from a sometimes inaccessible technique, [Hejira] lacks the compelling, original viewpoint of her best work." - - Robert Hilburn, Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1976 http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=155 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:10:13 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Famous Last Words Department (njc) from progressiverock.com : Uriah Heep, named after the Charles Dickens character, were certainly one of the most critically derided bands of the era. The classic quote goes something like "if this band makes it Ill have to kill myself." On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Famous Last Words Department, Chapter 2: > > "Where [Hissing] suffered from a sometimes inaccessible technique, > [Hejira] > lacks the compelling, original viewpoint of her best work." > > - Robert Hilburn, Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1976 > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=155 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:56:37 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni anecdote Well it's Friday yet again so I'll share with you a very trivial Joni related story. Last weekend I was driving in my car with my friend (well he's not my friend anymore--I don't speak to him anymore) to a bar to get a couple of drinks. I feel that whoever the driver is gets to pick the music and no one else can say anything. It's an absolute sin to put your hand over on the volume button and turn down my music. If you do that once in my car, I make sure you never do it again! Don't mess with the music man! I've been in some cars listening to shitty music but I keep my mouth shut as it's his/her car, right? Well last weekend as we were driving I put in "For The Roses." Well just after a few notes of the beautiful piano opening of "Banquet" my former friend presses the eject button, turns to me, and says, "no, this is too quiet," and takes the cd out. He took For The Roses out of my cd player as I was driving! I was so pissed by this. That's crossing the line man. Especially since its Joni. If he'd listen he might learn something. I should have right there and then told him to get out of my car and leave me alone! That would have saved me a lot of grief and stress he caused me. This situation is why I don't talk to him anymore. No I'm just kidding! Alot of crap happened since then and that's why we're not friends but maybe I should judge a man by his reaction to Joni? I'm just kidding again. Although maybe this was an example that I should. I'm just half kidding now! Anyway, good Friday to you all and thanks for reading! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni anecdote when I was on vacay 2 years ago, my friend told me NO! to MOA. We were in MY car driving to a state park to see alligators...but no - she "vetoed" MOA. grrrrrrrr... but she did turn me on to Neko Case, so I can't be totally unhappy with her. But I found it cheeky. Also on another vacation, the same person nixed my iPod for playing Leonard Cohen. Hey it was on "shuffle" You know??? sheesh.. happy Friday. Em - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: >> Well > just after a few notes of the beautiful piano opening of "Banquet" > my former > friend presses the eject button, turns to me, and says, "no, this is > too quiet," > and takes the cd out. He took For The Roses out of my cd player as > I was > driving! I was so pissed by this. That's crossing the line man. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:30:02 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Happy Birthday Graham Nash! According to my guitar calendar (I've got a guitar calendar in my room and a Pink Floyd one in the living room) it is Graham Nash's birthday today! Happy Birthday Graham! Hope he has a good one. Tomorrow's my sister's birthday. All these birthdays man. My guitar calendar doesn't list Joni's birthday though :(. Oh well, I shall write it in. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:59:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Famous Last Words Department Okay. What's "inaccessable technique" ? And yeah, Hejira was not at all compelling, and sounded like everything else on the marketplace. What a copycat. From: "Les Irvin" > Famous Last Words Department, Chapter 2: > > "Where [Hissing] suffered from a sometimes inaccessible technique, > [Hejira] > lacks the compelling, original viewpoint of her best work." > - Robert Hilburn, Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1976 > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=155 From: "Richard Flynn" > Don Heckman in his New York Rimes Review of Blue, wrote: > "I suspect this will be the most disliked of Miss Mitchell's recordings, > despite the fact that it attempts more and makes greater demands on her > talent than any of the others." > Full review at: > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=801 Mr. Heckman is now working as a weather forcaster. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:21:08 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Famous Last Words Department Randy Remote asks: >Okay. What's "inaccessable technique" ? Burundi? Most the the album is quite sophisticated, definitely ahead of its time. This like a lot of Joni's catalog is not easily consumed. My guess is all of the above contribute to the writer's "inaccessible" assessment. Hilburn has by and large been supportive of Joni. Perhaps he was longing for more of the open portraits of the artist ala "Blue." What he/we got instead with Hejira was loneliness and duality alongside the highway. So much of her art requires multiple listens and analysis to appreciate; I wonder what his opinion of this album would have been a couple years later or even today. Scott >>"Where [Hissing] suffered from a sometimes inaccessible technique, [Hejira] >>lacks the compelling, original viewpoint of her best work." >>- Robert Hilburn, Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1976 >>http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=155 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni anecdote NJC now I concur. The driver has at least two privileges: 1. Temperature 2. Music I have lunch with my Dad every other Wednesday, and he picks me up at work and we drive to wherever we're going to eat. He always has WMUU, the Bob Jones radio station playing. And it's syrupy classical yuck, but hey, it's his choice cuz he's the driver, right? I just grit my teeth and try to think happy thoughts until we get to our destination. When we were driving up to Raleigh over Christmas, I had an mp3 mix playing and a Red Hot Chili Peppers song came on - he responded "I don't care too much for this" to which I responded "No, I don't imagine that you would". Bob NP: Sufjan Stevens, "Dear Mr. Supercomputer" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: possible Joni fest newbie NJC Angela, I would think it would still be worth your while...as long as you can get in early evening you should get plenty of time and the Saturday night party goes into the wee hours. Lots of us will be hanging around on Sunday so it won't be a ghost town. I know that in the past folks have come in for a day or so, maybe they can comment on what their experience was. Speaking from a purely selfish point of view, I'd love for you to make it! Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Blowin' In The Wind" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:55:01 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Brits and the grape... NJC A scientist tallks about wine grapes. Hmmm? The Romans wrote about growing wine grapes in the first century in Britain. Then during in the Dark Ages it was too cold. During the Midlevel period.. the Britain's themselves wrote about growing wine grapes in Britain. Then for the next six hundred and fifty years it was too cold. (Ice (little) age) After 1950.. they tried to grow wine grapes again in Britain. Up to two years out of ten. ..he adds ..with the help of some tricky hybrids. Logical conclusion (according to this scientist) ...this tells us today.. that: A. There is a cycle B. Temperatures today aren't as warm as they were six hundred fifty years ago or two thousand years ago. On AL Gore.. "I don't think he is lying..but he doesn't understand the problem really..he is confusing consequences and the cause." "He's making a logical error." "There have been six hundred warmings in the last million years and the ice cores and the sea bed sediments show this." "CO2 in NOT a pollutant..it's a natural occurring gas in the atmosphere." "In fact..there would no life on earth without it." ""Yes...there has been an increase in CO2 levels and human activities have led to the increase..BUT that doesn't prove that is the cause of warming." "You see..it's just a correlation." "And for example...during much of the last century..climate was cooling..while CO2 was rising. How do you explain that?" (taken from Hannity and Colmes) Then I thought..I should do some more research and found this: Shortcut to: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/resisting_global_warming_panic.html Is all this hysteria needed? Bree _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:14:57 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC I heard that the reason the Saints lost to the Bears was because of global warming. Victor On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Bree Mcdonough wrote: > A scientist tallks about wine grapes. Hmmm? The Romans wrote > about growing wine grapes in the first century in Britain. Then > during in the Dark Ages it was too cold. During the Midlevel > period.. the Britain's themselves wrote about growing wine grapes > in Britain. Then for the next six hundred and fifty years it was > too cold. (Ice (little) age) After 1950.. they tried to grow > wine grapes again in Britain. Up to two years out of ten. ..he > adds ..with the help of some tricky hybrids. Logical conclusion > (according to this scientist) ...this tells us today.. that: A. > There is a cycle B. Temperatures today aren't as warm as they > were six hundred fifty years ago or two thousand years ago. > > On AL Gore.. "I don't think he is lying..but he doesn't understand > the problem really..he is confusing consequences and the cause." > "He's making a logical error." > > "There have been six hundred warmings in the last million years and > the ice cores and the sea bed sediments show this." > > "CO2 in NOT a pollutant..it's a natural occurring gas in the > atmosphere." "In fact..there would no life on earth without > it." ""Yes...there has been an increase in CO2 levels and human > activities have led to the increase..BUT that doesn't prove that > is the cause of warming." "You see..it's just a correlation." > "And for example...during much of the last century..climate was > cooling..while CO2 was rising. How do you explain that?" > > > ( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Brits and the grape... NJC Who's hysterical? Certainly not Al Gore. He's passionate, but not hysterical. When nearly 100% of the world of SCIENTISTS (not to be confused with political op-ed writers) are in agreement about the man-made changes in our world and its potential consequences, we should pay attention and do what we can to make sensible adjustments. Nothing hysterical about any of it. Bob NP: Podcast, "The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:20:47 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Famous Last Words Department (njc) I remember that review. You've got the words right. I always considered them one of the more insightful bands that came out of the heavy metal era. Once Ken Hensley took over the majority of writing with his surrealistic dreamscape lyrics they evolved beyond anything the other bands of the time were producing. Granted Mick Box was no Jimmy Page but pull a copy of The Magician's Birthday and listen to Rain or even better Hensley's solo version on Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf. I still remember the blisteringly ugly reviews DJRD got. Sure, it's not in my top 5 Joni album list but it didn't deserve the blistering it got. My only complaint was that it was under a hour of music and spread across 4 sides when it could have been issued on one album. Dylan had already pushed the upper 50 minute range with his albums of the time. One must remember that most music reviewers are nothing but pompous would be musicians who can't/couldn't do it for themselves so they have to blast everyone else's art. An awful/hateful review of something will usually get me to check it out that much faster. Bruce in AZ. >from progressiverock.com : > > > >Uriah Heep, named after the Charles Dickens character, were certainly >one of the most critically derided bands of the era. The classic >quote goes something like "if this band makes it Ill have to kill >myself." > > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > > > >>Famous Last Words Department, Chapter 2: >> >>"Where [Hissing] suffered from a sometimes inaccessible technique, >>[Hejira] >>lacks the compelling, original viewpoint of her best work." >> >>- Robert Hilburn, Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1976 >>http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=155 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:33:08 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni anecdote NJC now I was a radio addict from a young age. In the car, my mother would say 'when you are old enough to drive, you can listen to whatever station you want"....fastforward: I have my driving permit. My mother changes the station. "What are you doing?" "When you have your own car, you can listen to whatever station you want" RR From: "Bob Muller" > When we were driving up to Raleigh over Christmas, I > had an mp3 mix playing and a Red Hot Chili Peppers song came on - he > responded > "I don't care too much for this" to which I responded "No, I don't imagine > that you would". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The future of Joni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WzHl_ltZE Enjoy:) love you all, yah! Nuri:) - --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #50 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------