From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 039 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Live reclusive [LCStanley7@aol.com] corking, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re :Live recluse [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni's Foir the Roses and other Takes on Fame ["Jill Haas" ] RE: Message from Website [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN [Deb Messling ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?downloading=20joni=27s=20parents?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=20DJRD?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Joni's lyrics don't, as > far > as I know, give any clue to how she experiences her fame: or perhaps "Cactus > tree" does a bit, > Hi Ingrid, The song For the Roses pretty vividly tells me how she experienced(s) her fame: I heard it in the wind last night It sounded like applause Did you get a round resounding for you Way up here It seems like many dim years ago Since I heard that face to face Or seen you face to face Though tonight I can feel you here I get these notes On butterflies and lilac sprays From girls who just have to tell me They saw you somewhere In some office sits a poet And he trembles as he sings And he asks some guy To circulate his soul around On your mark red ribbon runner The caressing rev of motors Finely tuned like fancy women In thirties evening gowns Up the charts Off to the airport- Your name's in the news Everything's first class- The lights go down- And it's just you up there Getting them to feel like that Remember the days when you used to sit And make up your tunes for love And pour your simple sorrow To the soundhole and your knee And now you're seen On giant screens And at parties for the press And for people who have slices of you From the company They toss around your latest golden egg Speculation-well, who's to know If the next one in the nest Will glitter for them so I guess I seem ungrateful With my teeth sunk in the hand That brings me things I really can't give up just yet Now I sit up here The critic! And they introduce some band But they seem so much confetti Looking at them on my TV set Oh the power and the glory Just when you're getting a taste for worship They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails I heard it in the wind last night It sounded like applause Chilly now End of summer No more shiny hot nights It was just the arbutus rustling And the bumping of the logs And the moon swept down black water Like an empty spotlight Also, there is a line she wrote about her not needing his fame because she's experienced her own... can't think of the song title nor exact words, but somebody will know on this list. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:12:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: corking, njc > >And Catherine replied: "Put a cork in it!" >>Put a cork in what, mon amie? >It is whatever "it" means to you, mon amie! ;-) >Catherine fyi: I need to be uncorked. : -) _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:24:31 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re :Live recluse Norma wrote: > I'll defend Joni as I would my own son, > mother, siblings and the rest of my family and > everyone, including animals and Earth. > Hi Norma, Are you defending Joni against another JMDLer? I'm sitting here looking at the photo inside For The Roses album where Joni needs no defending of herself against the waves and the sun in her nakedness. St. Teresa of Avila? Interior Castle or Way of Perfection or Autobiography perhaps? Ever read San Juan de la Cruz? "O living flame of love that tenderly wounds my soul in it's deepest center!" Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:14:20 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Joni's Foir the Roses and other Takes on Fame Hi Laura, The song is See You Sometime, from For the Roses also, and the lyrics: I'm not ready to Change my name again But you know I'm not after A piece of your fortune And your fame 'Cause I tasted mine I'd just like to see you sometime Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Live reclusive Also, there is a line she wrote about her not needing his fame because she's experienced her own... can't think of the song title nor exact words, but somebody will know on this list. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:36:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Johnny Angel, then Joni Angels Lesli wrote: "i loved that song too. wasn't shelley on the donna reed show?" Oui, oui! I loved that song too, especially because I was "in love" with someone named John Randall in 5th grade. Worked for me.....it was probably one of the first songs that got tattooed on my soul. And I think Bob Murphy had a crush on her, too, in addition to Bob Muller. Is that right, Smurf? Didn't you write her a love letter once? (Maybe you knit her a sweater, too.) Johnny Angel How I love him He's got something that I can't resist But he doesn't even know that I exist Johnny Angel How I want him How I tingle when he passes by Everytime he says hello My heart begins to fly I'm in heaven I get carried away I dream of him and me And how it's gonna be Other fellas Call me out for a date But I just sit and wait, I'd rather concentrate On Johnny Angel 'Cause I love him And I pray that someday he'll love me And together we will see how lovely heaven will be I'm in heaven I get carried away I dream of him and me And how it's gonna be Other fellas Call me out for a date But I just sit and wait, I'd rather concentrate On Johnny Angel 'Cause I love him And I pray that someday he'll love me And together we will see how lovely heaven will be *Johnny Angel .. Johnny Angel .. Johnny Angel .. Johnny Angel .. You're an angel to me*(x2) Not sure who wrote it, but Shelley did sing it. And HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Jody and Danilo, two of our Joni Angels! Shine on, and bless you both. Love and peace, Patti P., perplexed, wondering why Carly was not on VH-1 tonight at 5 p.m. EST as advertised. Did anyone catch it in another time zone or out on some borderline or in some mark of in between or something? P.S. I couldn't open Joni's parents on my home computer. Merde. I can't wait to hear them! _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo  buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:42:14 +0000 (UTC) From: "anne@sandstrom.com" Subject: Re: Victor Victrola (njc) Since we're waxing poetic about Victor, may I say that one of my favorite JoniFest memories is singng with Victor on Ashara's back porch. I don't even quite recall what we sang, but we had a grand ol' time! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:49:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Message from Website - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I may be wrong, but I always hear it as "Johnny > Angel," which would be > ironic in juxtaposing an innocent teen anthem with > the content of the song. > I hear Johnny Angel too, though some say, Charlie Angel, Charlie being (apparently) the name that Vietnamee people gave to American soldiers (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) The other stuff, that sounds a bit like scat singing, or could be human voice imitating helicopter blades whirring, may, or may not, be "Gotta get way up - gotta get way up!" that'w what I sing when I do that song. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:16 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN I haven't listened to the interviews yet. But don't many of us have copies of Joni singing BSN on Gene Shay's radio program three days after she wrote it? I thought these broadcasts were from 1967, or 1966 at the earliest, and I'm pretty sure Chuck was out of the picture by that time - so what would give him the right to sell anything relating to that song? At 01:17 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >I was listening to the CBC radio snippets with Bill and Myrtle >Anderson -- they were talking about Chuck Mitchell and Bill >commented that Chuck did not treat Joni well and in fact sold the >copyright to the Both Sides Now song for a couple hundred dollars -- >could this possibly be correct? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:05:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni reclusive? Well said, Kakki. A tip of my Joni beret to you! But I just had to laugh (cause it's all so crazy) when you talked about people "pawing" at her. Hanging on my wall, right next to my blue-screened computer, is the gorgeous photo of Julius and Joni in the elevator in SF, where Julius is "pawing" at her (more like mauling her!). It's a beautiful picture that I treasure. It stand out like a ruby. Joni looks shining as Julius reels her in and she leans her head against his. His "magic moment", for sure. (Although you know, there may be more.) Love, Patti P. I chuckled at the description of Joni being reclusive. That really is not her personality. I've said it before but it is amazing how "regular" and "normal" she is when you meet her in person. She really is like one of the gang. She is very engaged and interactive with people. However, any "regular" person could be overwhelmed by people coming at her from all directions, psychically "pawing" her, so to speak. When she had her art exhibit here in 1999, she was very accessible, and while there was a bit of a crush of people, she hung out (albeit outside on the smoking stairway) and spoke with just about everyone. The latest exhibit in November was a little different. I was kind of cringing at how people were crushing around her with video and digital cameras in her face. It was kind of awful to behold. She quickly retreated to a more private smoking spot and some people were let back to meet with her. That is not being reclusive - that is justifiably wanting to set some kind of boundary. Very different from 1999 where it all seemed to flow more nicely. I recall reading the reports of the Saskatoon art exhibit and that perhaps it was somewhat more civilized but I wasn't there. I understand fans' enthusiasm to see her - believe me, but geez, some people should hang back a little! She put herself out there to meet everyone so she is not hiding out, but it would drive me to distraction to be subjected to that kind of overload. Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=football ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:17:59 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?downloading=20joni=27s=20parents?= - ---------- Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:14:55 -0800 From: "LESLI A WATTS" To: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Johnny Angel, then Joni Angels > > >me either pointers anyone? > > > > "Patti Parlette" > >To: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: njc, Johnny Angel, then Joni Angels > > > > > > > >>P.S. I couldn't open Joni's parents on my home computer. Merde. I can't > >>wait to hear them! > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:37:43 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=20DJRD?= so many beautiful, thoughtful and analytical posts about one of my favorite ablums. i thought i read somewhere that don juan's reckless daughter was composed as a score for a movie. to me that explained the way the parts were a little dissonant, not really cohesive. was this a movie score? like many of joni's songs at first i dismissed it. then popping it in my car tape player years later it wowed me. i couldn't stop listening to it. i'm such a heretic that i actually gave away THOSL after a couple of listens. the lyrics about suburbia stung and i thought who does she think she is? now i have come to believe that she knew very well that she was ensnared in the fishnet windows of bloomingdales and all that herself. as for the music on hosl again, i love it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:59:13 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3A=20Joni=20reclusive=3F?= - ---------- Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:10:25 -0800 From: "LESLI A WATTS" To: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Joni reclusive? > Kakki said: > > > >> I chuckled at the description of Joni being reclusive. That really is not > >>her personality. I've said it before but it is amazing how "regular" and > >>"normal" she is when you meet her in person. She really is like one of the > >>gang. She is very engaged and interactive with people. > > > >this jives with my impression of joni. > >kakki also said: The latest exhibit in November was a little > >>different. I was kind of cringing at how people were crushing around her with > >>video and digital cameras in her face. It was kind of awful to behold. She > >>quickly retreated to a more private smoking spot and some people were let back > >>to meet with her. That is not being reclusive - that is justifiably wanting > >>to set some kind of boundary. > > > >and i described the people at the opening "like the buzzing of the flies" to somebody. it made me feel bad, > >some were just so rude. > > > >maybe the people asking for interviews were just rude too and then spit out recluse! more likely they couldn't name a song she's written. > > > >my impression is joni enjoys company but when she's wrapped up in a project that's her focus not exploring the human condition chatting everyone up. and she'd probably say what does it matter? lesli ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #39 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------