From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #37 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 037 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Blue Period ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: I would do that why NJC ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Joni article on CBC website ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni the Zombie ["Randy Remote" ] Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC [Victor Johnson ] DJRD remastered [kjhsf@aol.com] Cocktails anyone? [Darice ] Re: barn, njc ["Patti Parlette" ] CBC going all out Joni this weekend ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: DJRD remastered [Em ] RE: CBC going all out Joni this weekend ["Jeffrey Zinkerman" Subject: Re: Joni's Blue Period That was a great piece. I feel like I could have written it myself. (Except I don't write that well). I saw Sarah performing River on the TV and I didn't care for it. But I've never been a big fan. Beyond that though, I think she captures so well the experience of gen-xers first hearing Joni. She references the author of a great book I'm in the middle of reading, 'This is Your Brain on Music'. Here's a wee excerpt (below). I always wondered if I heard Joni in the womb or at least very early on in life because I had such an intense and visceral response to first hearing her as a teenager. I don't remember hearing her before that. I do have early memories of listening to Carole King's Tapestry and the soundtrack to Godspell. I can remember standing on the coffee table at age 2.75 or so listening to Carole King and wondering how in the heck those people who were singing got in that little box (record player). Anyway seems we do start to form some of our musical taste in the womb. Kinda cool. Jenny the excerpt ... "To begin with, our musical tastes start to form in the womb. By twenty-four weeks, the human fetus has a completely functioning auditory system and is able to hear music through the amniotic fluid (it sounds something like listening underwater). One-year-olds show clear preferences for music that they heard in the womb. Until roughly the age of eight, the developing child is absorbing whatever music she hears, during a time when the brain is working hard to make billions of new connections. Just as we have found that there are "critical periods" for language acquisition, there appear to be critical periods for the acquisition of music listening." On 1/26/07, Cassy wrote: > > Here is an interesting article about Joni from the cbc site today: > > http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/joni.html > > Joni's blue period > The impact of Joni Mitchell's Blue album on a teen in the 80s > By Katrina Onstad > January 26, 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:23:10 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: I would do that why NJC I'm hearing more of an early 90s sarcasm that was popular in the U.S. - really overused in the show 'Friends', especially by the character Chandler. This probably doesn't help if you haven't seen the show 'Friends'. Jenny On 1/26/07, Catherine McKay wrote: > > Well, I'm no American, but I've heard questions asked > this way before. They may have picked it up from TV! > > I could be mistaken but I think this particular syntax > may have its origins in Yiddish. Imagine Henny > Youngman asking these questions. > > > --- mike pritchard wrote: > > > I'm watching Season II of 'Murder One' and in > > yesterday's episode there were > > at least three examples (see below) of this type of > > question which I find > > strange. Is this common in the US or is it just TV > > folk who use it? What > > say'st thou, Notaro? > > mike in bcn > > > > (paraphrasing from memory but you get the drift) > > ''And this would help you how?" > > "the excuse for this is what?" > > "You want me to give you a million dollars why?" > > > > npimh - language is a virus by Lorry Anderson (ha > > ha) > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC Thanks for posting the list Victor. In all my years of singing and listening, Hello In There has always been my #1, though some people find it depressing. Jerry Victor Johnson wrote: > 96. Hello in There (John Prine).....cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:49:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Carly Simon Alert (NJC) Laura shared: <<< Short interview with Carly here: http://www.lime.com/node/7510 >>> And then Cassyr wrote: OK... here I go again... ****** Oh, Cassy and Laura, now you've got ME going! Thanks a LOT! I just love Carly and her honesty. She's so real. (Where is Mark in Seattle, by the way? He loves Carly, too, as I recall. And Mack, and you know.....) I saw her and Sally and Ben on November 20, 2005, and it was one of the best concerts of my life. I can not begin to describe the chemistry they have. No, that's not the right word. It's not chemistry, it is total love and respect and "devoted to you" (as she sang to Sally on some show I saw). Merde, I can't find the right words. They are so PROUD of each other and so close. It was beautiful to see and witness and feel. The way they smile at each other and encourage each other and....I'm sorry I can't describe it better. Solid, total, pure, unconditional love. And the music was great, too! Their encore was "You Can Close Your Eyes" that Carly said was "written by their father", and Ben quipped: "Yeah, Kris Kristofferson!" Anyway, they went on to sing it and they "put on a harmony" that was exquisite. (Aside: didn't an article that Jenny shared with us after she saw JT recently say that he wrote this after he and Joni did mescaline? Or am I in flip city again?) A month later I saw JT and he did the very same encore, but alone. I was struck by how close Carly and her kids are. They seem so protective of her. I have to wonder if that's why they weren't at JT's Tribute recently, because they were sticking by "Mom", to kind of hold her up. Speculation, who's to know....and of course it is none of my business....but when I saw them on QVC recently (or was it one of those morning "news" shows?) the interviewer asked them what their Dad thought about their doing one of his songs on the new CD (Into White) and they both kind of shrugged and said: "He probably doesn't even know." In a recent NYT articles I've been meaning to share there was this, which I thought was just so sad: "Although his name keeps coming up in her conversation, she is out of touch with James Taylor, the singer-songwriter and father of her children whom she divorced in 1983. He just doesnt get me, she said in a tone of regret." I'm not dissing or judging here, honestly. We all do the best we can. I just find divorce with kids one of the saddest things in the world. (NPIMH: But only love can break your heart Try to be sure right from the start Yes only love can break your heart What if your world should fall apart?) The whole article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/arts/music/01carl.html?ex=1325307600&en=d11a7bda48fe4ff9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss I also appreciated this: "She is unembarrassed about her candor. Look, she said, if you think of us on the edge of the Milky Way, were nothing. So lets tell as much as we can. The more the better. " Edge of the Milky Way? Just particles of change, orbiting around the sun? In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all Oops..... getting a little deep here....don't anyone lose good sleep! Thank you again Cassy and Laura, Ladies of the JMDL Canon, for bringing up Carly. "Coming around again....". Between her VH-1 special and then Joni's thing on the 28th and then the ballet, I need a media guide schedule or something. Don't want to miss a thing! Bon weekend, tout le Joni monde! Love and peace, Patti P., who meant to write about the second to the last time I saw Joni in 1976 at the now- demolished New Haven Coliseum but got sent off on a Carly thread instead _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:59:51 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni article on CBC website RE: Jonibs blue period The impact of Joni Mitchellbs Blue album on a teen in the 80s By Katrina Onstad January 26, 2007 Thanks, Kate! "But studies have shown that the music we meet at our most self-involved, in youth, is the music that hits us deepest. McGill professor Daniel Levitin has done research to show the music of childhood almost burns itself into our brains, which is exactly how it feels." Songs are like tattoos. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:02:48 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni the Zombie From: > Check out this objet d'art on ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/STEVE-KEENE-PAINTINGS-JONI-MITCHELL-ALBUMS_W0QQitemZ270083612293QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > The "Clouds" Joni looks like the stuff of nightmares. In his defense, he is "America's most prolific artist", so it may have just been a time issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:31:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC I love this song too and I like to play it on the piano while sipping a Gordons Gin. Paz (rolling thru Alabama) On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Gerald A. Notaro wrote: Thanks for posting the list Victor. In all my years of singing and listening, Hello In There has always been my #1, though some people find it depressing. Jerry Victor Johnson wrote: > 96. Hello in There (John Prine).....cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:33:12 -0500 From: Doug Subject: more CBC stuff http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/index.html?copy-interviews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:40:07 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: The List (JC...barely) - Now NJC So you're in Alabama this weekend? Look forward to seeing you in Atlanta! Victor On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > I love this song too and I like to play it on the piano while > sipping a Gordons Gin. > > Paz (rolling thru Alabama) > > > On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > > Thanks for posting the list Victor. In all my years of singing and > listening, Hello In There has always been my #1, though some people > find > it depressing. > > Jerry > > Victor Johnson wrote: >> 96. Hello in There (John Prine).....cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Ballet Joni And it's already been choreographed - sort of - in the SAL video with Toller Cranston skating to it. Bob NP: Sara Isaksson & Rebecka Tornqvist, "Fire In The Hole" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:04:52 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: DJRD remastered Hi All, I just took a listen to Dave's remaster of DJRD and all I can say is "Wow!" Sonically, there is more space to the sound. For instance, on Cotton Avenue, when Joni sings "if you got no place special..." it is actually a trio of her voices that, in the orignal mix, seem to be crunched on top of each other. In Dave's version, the voices are panned apart with the lead in the center and the other two sweeping in from the far right and left. Of course, that is just one example. But throughout the entire recording, it's as if the instrumentation is not so compressed--the guitar lines can be heard in separate and distinct areas, and appear to glimmer cleanly and brightly. Also, take an active listen to The Tenth World, and I bet you will hear singing and percussion that was previously buried in the mix. A big thanks to Dave! As I wrote him off list, I've been home recovering from a minor surgery, and it was a treat to be under the comforters with my headphones on, listening to DJRD as if for the first time. Such wonderful, talented, generous folks on this list!!! Ken ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:33:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Darice Subject: Cocktails anyone? Free Man in Paris Hirsch Rye Whiskey, CrC(me de Griotte, Ricard, and a dash of bitters. served up with a lemon twist. 9 Here's the recipe and price for a local restaurant's creative cocktail. my Joni reference of the day Maybe someone on the list can experiment with the amounts and it can be served at the next Joni-fest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:35:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: barn, njc Great story, RR. Merci! But which one said: "I'm going to get a boat And we can row it", Graham or Neil? Tee hee...... Marianne, love your barn! "Hey farmer, farmer....." xo, pp, w/ the feeling unfettered and alive Friday sillies >RR>Marianne, what can I say? Nice barn! More barn!< > >LOL, randy, this is not the neil young list, you may have to splain > Ha-I wondered if anyone would catch that....allow me to splain. It seems that Graham Nash took a visit to Neil Young's Bay Area ranch/recording studio. Of course Neil was anxious to play his friend his latest recording, so the two of them rowed a little boat out into the middle of Neil's pond, while an assistant played the tracks, with one channel of the stereo coming from the barn, the other from the house on the other side, cranked, I'm sure, to an ungodly volume. Nash recalls Neil yelling to his assistant, "More barn!". In Nash's song "Cowboy of Dreams" he sings "So I went to the country to look up a friend 'cause I heard that the house and the barn had a blend" RR _________________________________________________________________ From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:01:20 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: CBC going all out Joni this weekend from http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/ CBC Radio celebrates the life and music of Joni Mitchell with a special documentary chronicling her career, art and music on January 28th (8:00 p.m. ET (8:30 NT) on CBC Radio One 2:00 p.m. ET (2:30 NT) on CBC Radio Two). Excerpts from this new documentary can be heard here http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/index.html?copy-more-interviews Then tune in on Monday, January 29th at 11 a.m. ET (11:30 NT) on CBC Radio One and 8:00 p.m. ET (8:30 NT) on CBC Radio Two for the broadcast of Joni Mitchells induction into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame. Live stream available here http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:14:23 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Joni reclusive? I chuckled at the description of Joni being reclusive. That really is not her personality. I've said it before but it is amazing how "regular" and "normal" she is when you meet her in person. She really is like one of the gang. She is very engaged and interactive with people. However, any "regular" person could be overwhelmed by people coming at her from all directions, psychically "pawing" her, so to speak. When she had her art exhibit here in 1999, she was very accessible, and while there was a bit of a crush of people, she hung out (albeit outside on the smoking stairway) and spoke with just about everyone. The latest exhibit in November was a little different. I was kind of cringing at how people were crushing around her with video and digital cameras in her face. It was kind of awful to behold. She quickly retreated to a more private smoking spot and some people were let back to meet with her. That is not being reclusive - that is justifiably wanting to set some kind of boundary. Very different from 1999 where it all seemed to flow more nicely. I recall reading the reports of the Saskatoon art exhibit and that perhaps it was somewhat more civilized but I wasn't there. I understand fans' enthusiasm to see her - believe me, but geez, some people should hang back a little! She put herself out there to meet everyone so she is not hiding out, but it would drive me to distraction to be subjected to that kind of overload. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: DJRD remastered I have to second this. It lifts this work up out of a sort of restraining "murk" or bog. Fresh!!!!!!! it sounds very open and if I may use the term the audiophiles use, while not actully being a true audiophile: this is way more "transparent". Which to me is good, Em - --- kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I just took a listen to Dave's remaster of DJRD and all I can say is > "Wow!" > Sonically, there is more space to the sound. For instance, on Cotton > Avenue, when Joni sings "if you got no place special..." it is > actually a trio of her voices that, in the orignal mix, seem to be > crunched on top of each other. In Dave's version, the voices are > panned apart with the lead in the center and the other two sweeping > in from the far right and left. > Of course, that is just one example. But throughout the entire > recording, it's as if the instrumentation is not so compressed--the > guitar lines can be heard in separate and distinct areas, and appear > to glimmer cleanly and brightly. Also, take an active listen to The > Tenth World, and I bet you will hear singing and percussion that was > previously buried in the mix. > A big thanks to Dave! As I wrote him off list, I've been home > recovering from a minor surgery, and it was a treat to be under the > comforters with my headphones on, listening to DJRD as if for the > first time. > Such wonderful, talented, generous folks on this list!!! > Ken > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:59:18 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Zinkerman" Subject: RE: CBC going all out Joni this weekend That's awesome - cant wait to tune into that. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael O'Malley Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: CBC going all out Joni this weekend from http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/ CBC Radio celebrates the life and music of Joni Mitchell with a special documentary chronicling her career, art and music on January 28th (8:00 p.m. ET (8:30 NT) on CBC Radio One 2:00 p.m. ET (2:30 NT) on CBC Radio Two). Excerpts from this new documentary can be heard here http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/index.html?copy-more-interviews Then tune in on Monday, January 29th at 11 a.m. ET (11:30 NT) on CBC Radio One and 8:00 p.m. ET (8:30 NT) on CBC Radio Two for the broadcast of Joni Mitchells induction into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame. Live stream available here http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata =081805

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