From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #36 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 26 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 036 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni the Zombie [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Media NJC Christiane Amanpour [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: are you a ...? (njc) [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Live or on record? njc ["Randy Remote" ] Joni article on CBC website [Kate Johnson ] Joni the Zombie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni the Zombie [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Live or on record? njc [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Live reclusive [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] The List (JC...barely) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Radio highlights of gala, CBC radio Jan 29 [mags h ] Re: The List (JC...barely) [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Ballet Joni [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: Live reclusive [Norma Jean Garza ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Joni the Zombie Hello Victor. Can you please tell me which Joni frame looks strung out? And what hamburger are you talking about? Thanks, Norma Jean - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Scary stuff!!! The "Blue" Joni looks like she's > strung out. And is > that a hamburger in the middle of the STAS? > > > Victor > > NP: 680 AM The Rude Awakening > > > On Jan 26, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > wrote: > > > Check out this objet d'art on ebay: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/STEVE-KEENE-PAINTINGS-JONI-MITCHELL- > > > > ALBUMS_W0QQitemZ270083612293QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt > > > em > > > > The "Clouds" Joni looks like the stuff of > nightmares. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Ani, "Promised Land" > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:52:05 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Media NJC Christiane Amanpour I'm sorry. I misspelled Christiane Amanpour's name. I don't know why I did that when my last name ends the same. Norma Jean Garza-Kabirpour PS I would imagine Christiane listens to Joni. - --- Norma Jean Garza wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:41:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Norma Jean Garza > Subject: Re: Media NJC > To: joni@smoe.org > > Christiane Amanpoor has my greatest respect and she > has fought fitting into this media mold of moron > newscasters even if she works for CNN. > > N. J. > --- Paul In MD wrote: > > > Chiming in really late on this one but I have to > > agree with your comments about the media, > Catherine. > > I understand the marketplace determines content > but > > I also understand about the ease of pandering to > the > > lowest common denominator and the basest instincts > > as opposed to trying to uplift and educate. Media > > is a powerful tool (there is a reason advertising > > works) and its effect on the masses is huge. If > our > > Media is full of pablum, who needs Soma? > > > > The truly scary thing is not that there are so > many > > gossip type shows on the air, it's that this now > > passes as hard news. I saw a show with Laurie > > Garrett, a reporter who had recently left her job > at > > Newsday and wrote a memo to her colleagues when > she > > left. It detailed her reasons and outlined the > > decline in the field of journalism. Excerpts of > the > > memo follow: > > > > > > > > ... news organizations have been > > devoured by massive corporations, and allegiance > to > > stockholders, the drive for higher share prices, > and > > push for larger dividend returns trumps everything > > that > > the grunts in the newsrooms consider their > missions. > > Long gone are the days of fast-talking, whiskey- > > swilling Murray Kempton peers eloquently filling > > columns with daily dish on government scandals, > > mobsters and police corruption. The sort of > in-your- > > face challenge that the Fourth Estate once posed > for > > politicians has been replaced by mud-slinging, > lies > > and, where it ought not be, timidity ... > > > > ... too many journalists seem to mistake > > scandal mongering for tenacious investigation, and > > far > > too many aspire to make themselves the story ... > > > > ... honesty and tenacity (and for that matter, the > > working > > class) seem to have taken backseats to the sort of > > "snappy news", sensationalism, > scandal-for-the-sake > > of > > scandal crap that sells ... > > > > ... this is terrible for democracy. I have been in > > 47 > > states of the USA since 9/11, and I can attest to > > the > > horrible impact the deterioration of journalism > has > > had > > on the national psyche. I have found America a > place > > of > > great and confused fearfulness, in which cynically > > placed bits of misinformation ... fall on ears > that > > absorb > > all, without filtration or fact-checking. Leading > > journalists have tried to defend their mission, > > pointing to the paucity of accurate, edited > coverage > > found in blogs, internet sites, Fox-TV and talk > > radio. > > They argue that good old-fashioned newspaper > editing > > is > > the key to providing America with credible > > information, > > forming the basis for wise voting and enlightened > > governance. But their claims have been undermined > > ... > > > > > > The rest of the memo can be found here: > > > > > http://pentaside.org/article/journalist-resignation.html > > > > And an interview with her here: > > > > > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/14/151255 > > > > In the interview I saw, she said that other parts > of > > the world do a much better job of reporting the > news > > than Americans. She related that people who > visited > > from overseas commented on how much time the > > national media devotes to fluff (OJ, Michael > > Jackson) while ignoring covering and explaining > the > > issues that truly affect people (Social Security, > > Global Warming, eroding freedoms). She also had > > some great ideas about how to improve the state of > > journalism. > > > > There's more ... but that's enough of a rant for > one > > day. :) > > > > Paul In MD > > > > Catherine McKay wrote: And > > going really off-topic into njc territory, all > > this makes me wonder about just how big the gossip > > media are today. There are just so many magazines, > > websites and crap-TV posing as journalism shows > that > > regurgitate the same endless blah-blah-blah about > > the > > same annoying celebrities. It's just a ploy to > take > > our minds off the real problems of the world - > those > > little things called war, famine, poverty and so > on. > > > > Keep 'em gossiping about Brittney and Paris and > > maybe > > they'll forget about the big issues. > > > > > > Catherine > > Toronto > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and > previews at Yahoo! Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:41:40 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: barn, njc From: "Kate Bennett" > RR>Marianne, what can I say? Nice barn! More barn!< > > LOL, randy, this is not the neil young list, you may have to splain > Ha-I wondered if anyone would catch that....allow me to splain. It seems that Graham Nash took a visit to Neil Young's Bay Area ranch/recording studio. Of course Neil was anxious to play his friend his latest recording, so the two of them rowed a little boat out into the middle of Neil's pond, while an assistant played the tracks, with one channel of the stereo coming from the barn, the other from the house on the other side, cranked, I'm sure, to an ungodly volume. Nash recalls Neil yelling to his assistant, "More barn!". In Nash's song "Cowboy of Dreams" he sings "So I went to the country to look up a friend 'cause I heard that the house and the barn had a blend" RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: are you a ...? (njc) I don't see happy feet?!? I prefer Empress Emu! NJ - --- "anne@sandstrom.com" wrote: > Oh, wait - Norma Jeanne, are you an emperor > penguin???? (LOL!) > > (If you don't get it, you haven't see Happy Feet.) > > Just having a little Friday fun... > > lots of love, > Anne > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:59:23 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Live or on record? njc From: > For another example, I'd say the Beatles are better on record. > What they created and recorded far surpassed their live shows which even > they > figured out when they quit touring all together (not that their live > shows > were bad! Though they did lack energy towards 65-66). I don't know if anyone saw "The Unseen Beatles", about their last tour, the other night on the tube. There was a great quote by I-forget- who....concerning their last show in San Francisco '66: "The modern live concert industry began about 15 minutes after that show ended." And it is so true. The reasons they quit touring (after 4 or 5 nonstop years on the road) were 1) they couldn't hear themselves, nor could anyone else-they were using a Shure Vocalmaster PA system-suited for high school auditoriums 2) they were receiving death threats in the US following Lennon's 'bigger than Jesus' comments 3) George hated flying 4) their music was getting too complex to perform live 5) touring was eating into their creative time, and they were busy revolutionizing record making. There are quite a few good live recordings by the Beatles-the Anthology has some good ones. And then there's Let It Be, which was originally conceived as a film about their rehearsals for a giant stadium comeback show. The rooftop concert, dispite the frosty weather, was proof that they could still deliver. I think if modern sound, monitor and miking systems had existed in the early 60's, their concerts would have been remembered differently. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:08:21 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Joni article on CBC website Jonibs blue period The impact of Joni Mitchellbs Blue album on a teen in the 80s By Katrina Onstad January 26, 2007 o?< Joni Mitchell performs on the CBC-TV program Three's a Crowd in 1968. (Robert Ragsdale/CBC Still Photo Collection) On Jan. 28, Joni Mitchell will be inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame, and Ibm praying that no one serenades her with River. The uninvited soundtrack to Christmas 2006 was Sarah McLachlanbs low- fat, fun-free, vanilla-latte version of Mitchellbs 1971 classic River. Between the first and 24th of December, every time I found myself wading through a snake pit mega-chain toward the last stripy scarf in the bin, Sarah McLachlan was there, too, braying the theme song of my holiday disorganization with all the laziness that typifies a one-off Christmas cash grab: bI wish I had a river so looongb&b I swear she yawns during the word "long." There is something peculiar about McLachlan, founder of the successful womenbs music festival Lilith Fair, covering Mitchell. Mitchell has always shrugged off the bwoman geniusb mantle, despite her status as musical pioneer and adopted mommy figure for legions of female singer songwriters. She once told a reporter: bOne guy came up to me and said, bYoubre the best female singer- songwriter in the world.b I was thinking: bWhat do you mean female? Thatbs like saying youbre the best Negro.bb Point taken; itbs a backhanded compliment with a ghetto sting. But as a teenaged girl in the mid-'80s encountering Blue (the album containing River) for the first time, the fact that the songs b confessional but not solipsistic; folk but not earnest; pop but not empty b were written by a woman felt thrilling. Mitchell sang of adventure, disappointment, God, love, disaster. Not only was the music emotionally bloody and intricate, the lyrics b her busy phrasing pushing the words to spill out over the songbs structure b made it seem like she was living a gigantic life. Pre-Google, I harassed my favourite clerk at the local second-hand record store for information, researched her in back issues of Rolling Stone, and learned that Joni Mitchell was a painter, too, and a poet. She owned all the rights to her songs. She had been smoking since she was nine. She occupied the world. That this music didnbt come from Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen (her contemporaries) or REMbs Michael Stipe and the Fallbs Mark E. Smith (mine) provided a kind of comfort I didnbt know I needed: greatness and arrogance and artistry could be female, too. That Mitchell didnbt want to be considered a feminist paving the road for female musicians only made her more intriguing (though her very existence did, and still does, seem like feminism to me); that was a way of being I hadnbt known, either. I first heard the song River b and this is so very sad b during an episode of the yuppie angst TV drama thirtysomething when I was 16 or 17. The female singers of my generation were Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, Whitney Houston: teeny boppers, vocal acrobats and hired hands, mostly singing songs written for them by other people b often men, or Carole Bayer Sager. They sang about liking boys, and wanting to dance with somebody. I was just old enough to recognize how hard this stuff sucked, and I was rabid for music more like the poetry and fiction that had my head spinning; something speaking of all the possible ways to exist. I knew, as all teenagers do, that I was leaving adolescence, and I heard the thrill and sadness of adulthood in Riverbs opening note, that repeated one-finger Jingle Bells piano, and then the lyrics: bItbs coming on Christmas/ Theybre cutting down trees/ Theybre putting up reindeer/ Singing songs of joy and peace/ I wish I had a river so long/ I would teach my feet to flyb&b A song about ice-skating ! (Lou Reed didnbt have one of those!) The rumours were true, then: Joni Mitchell was Canadian, too. o?< Joni Mitchell's 1971 album, Blue. (Warner Bros. Canada) By the end of the '60s, Mitchell had become a darling of the Laurel Canyon So-Cal folk scene. Though singers like Judy Collins and Buffy Saint-Marie had made hits out of Mitchellbs songs, her own stardom wore on her, and in 1970, Mitchell bquit this crazy sceneb (a phrase from River), writing most of Blue in self-imposed exile while travelling through Europe. Big Yellow Taxi and Both Sides Now may be her best-known songs, but itbs the entire album Blue that is still her most resonant work. In an upcoming tribute disc, three of the 12 songs come from Blue. On Rolling Stonebs Top 500 Albums of all time, itbs ranked No. 30. Her long career since has been marked by departure and reinvention, most famously her collaboration with jazz idol Charles Mingus. At the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame ceremony, Margaret Atwood will read her poetry, and jazz musician Herbie Hancock and soprano Measha Brueggergosman will perform her songs. Mitchell, who hates a box, is sure to love this. But no matter how experimental the evening gets (I fear interpretive dance), many of us watching will be hearing the clean, raw precision of Blue in our heads. The record feels like it could only exist as an album, something from before the fragmentation brought on by iPods and downloads, when you were forced to witness the whole vision, track by track. The thing Mitchell built was a house of postponed grieving: maybe for her privacy, her relationship with Graham Nash or the daughter she gave up for adoption a few years before. In the mid-'90s, when Mitchell publicly reunited with that daughter, the cryptic lyrics to Little Green made sense: bHe went to California/ Hearing that everything's warmer there/ So you write him a letter and say bHer eyes are blueb/ He sends you a poem and she's lost to youb&.b Itbs a perfect rumination on sorrow. Mitchell has said: bAt that period of my life, I had no personal defences.b& Therebs hardly a dishonest note in the vocals.b Mitchellbs work, while not a roadmap to her life, has always been far too personal to pass as hippie banner-waving. The exception may be the anthem Woodstock, a hit for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, but Mitchell never actually made it to the festival, choosing instead to make an appearance on The Dick Cavett Show. Still, the vagabond principle of the era is all over Blue, as in the song Carey: bCarey get out your cane and Ibll put on some silver/ Oh, youbre a mean old daddy but I like you fine.b Silver, linen, African winds b therebs a vaguely Wiccan, Tiffany-lamp vibe to Mitchell, and her dedicated followers, that Ibve always tried to ignore. Yet Blue doesnbt feel like an artifact. If Mitchell were merely a boomer hero, she wouldnbt matter so much to Sufjan Stevens and Bjork, who cover her on the upcoming tribute disc. If she were merely a female hero, Prince and Elvis Costello wouldnbt cite her as a major influence; they appear on the tribute, too. The song Prince chose to cover? A Case of You, from Blue, in which Mitchell famously sings: bI drew a map of Canada/ Oh Canadab&b and the word Canada loops up and down and closes in on itself. That Joni Mitchell is Canadian, and female, matters almost not at all to me now; role models get less necessary, or are abandoned entirely, with age. But studies have shown that the music we meet at our most self-involved, in youth, is the music that hits us deepest. McGill professor Daniel Levitin has done research to show the music of childhood almost burns itself into our brains, which is exactly how it feels. Maybe thatbs why the ubiquitous Sarah McLachlan cover of River is so grating: the River part of my brain is well travelled, sacred territory. Therebs no room for anyone else there. On the other hand, McLachlanbs cover lacks that unfathomable combination of gravitas and weightlessness that defines Mitchellbs singing, even now, with a voice smoked down to a crackling ember. Mitchell can never hit those Blue notes again, but I can always turn to them and remember who I was. When I listen to Cat Power, Lucinda Williams, Tracy Chapman, Jenny Lewis, Martha Wainwright, Will Oldham, Ben Harper b I think of Joni, who came first, reluctantly, and right on time. Hosted by CBC Radio's Andrew Craig and Radio-Canada's Sophie Durocher, the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame gala will take place on Sunday, Jan. 28 at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre. The following day, CBC Radio will broadcast segments of the tribute gala, beginning with Sounds Like Canada on Radio One at 11 a.m. and as a two-hour special beginning at 8 p.m. on Radio Two. A CBC-TV production will follow on March 5. Katrina Onstad writes about the arts for CBC.ca. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:23:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni the Zombie Aaaaahhhhhh! Scary! And Blue looks like frankenjoni... by AMERICA'S MOST PROLIFIC ARTIST !!! hopin steve isn't a lurker on this list... Bob> Check out this objet d'art on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/STEVE-KEENE-PAINTINGS-JONI-MITCHELL-ALBUMS_W0QQitemZ2700 83612293QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The "Clouds" Joni looks like the stuff of nightmares.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Joni the Zombie Okay, now I see it! Is this artist serious? normajean - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Aaaaahhhhhh! Scary! And Blue looks like > frankenjoni... by AMERICA'S MOST > PROLIFIC ARTIST !!! hopin steve isn't a lurker on > this list... > > Bob> Check out this objet d'art on ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/STEVE-KEENE-PAINTINGS-JONI-MITCHELL-ALBUMS_W0QQitemZ2700 > 83612293QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > The "Clouds" Joni looks like the stuff of > nightmares.< > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:30:34 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Live or on record? njc unless I confuse you with someone else, I'm pretty sure you haven't seen the beatles live or maybe in a previous lifetime? - ---------------------------- No, you have not mistaken me but I was stating my information after seeing a countless number of DVD performances. If you've ever seen the 8 disc Beatles Anthology you can see how at first the Beatles were at the top of their game when it comes to performing, 61-64....and then all of a sudden a certain something is missing. They said it was due not being able to hear themselves and all. Now If I could go back in time I'd like to see the Beatles at the Cavern or in Hamburg when they were wild! I'd pay to see John Lennon on stage with a toilet seat around his neck.............. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Re: Live reclusive Hi Bene Your email touches a sore point - me being a person who feels intinate and deep connection to Joni (like you say all on th list does) + having a tendency for literal delusional thinking. Joni's lyrics don't, as far as I know, give any clue to how she experiences her fame: or perhaps "Cactus tree" does a bit, with "she will love them when she sees them; they will loose her if they follow- which perhaps demonstrates a predicament, but there's no lament there". What about Joni's art exhibit in November (roundabout the tenth)...you say she never exhibits her work- do you mean she's never present? I suppose Joni is in the category of fame where elusiveness is a survival strategy.I last year was playing with the idea that Joni just postured finding her daughter, in fact had not, and that I was the cat's tail. So well, I wish to dedicate this email to everyone who ever wished they were her daughter, and I include all the madmen of the world as well as all those of poetic inclination who are so inspired by her art to hanker after her in some way or another- my connection with has been , in the past, exclusively through her music...it makes me feel an integrity in my fascination with her - I'm reminded of that interview in which she said that, as apart from the art one is capable of/produces, we are actuallt just divine idiots....I'm in an extremely painful position now, wondering how much of my fantasy was visible.. From what I've seen of Joni, she has a good measure of 'annoyance' in her personality, just sheer irritation (I cant's spell anymore) , and her displaying this so easily makes me hope that she has a good dollop of bad-temperedness to help her cope. I think, jusging by this website, that there is a full extent of true love for her- and it's not inexcusable that we imagine feeling love- we are guided and inspired by our exposure to her art ( music and visual), and our imagination, and Joni should (or will) have time for this phenomenon. Our ability to be inspired ties us to her. She must have some experience of gratification , and I hope it makes up for the trouble her fame brings.. Bene, I hope your PhD is all written up...I hope you have even greater dreams now to share with your family. I wonder about you...why you described your love landscapoe as akin to Russian snow. I wonder if your finances are looking up. I wonder if you will write back. Much love ingrid - ----- Original Message ---- From: "missblux@googlemail.com" To: Marianne Rizzo ; waytoblue@comcast.net; Joni LIST Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:41:44 AM Subject: Live reclusive Here are some thoughts about Joni being reclusive and seeing her live.... I think it is not entirely unjustified to call someone reclusive if she claims that she is a painter above all and yet doesn't exhibit her art work. Doesn't that show very clearly that she is uncomfortable with meeting the public? In those Youtube clips from 1970 I think she looks nervous and shy. The other day Mark talked about how he had met someone who turned out to be a close friend of hers; and he described the panic in the lady's eyes when he told her he was on this mailing list. I wondered if that reflects Joni's own panic at meeting the public, maybe in particular people like us who experience all sorts of deep and intimate connections with her. It must feel intimidating, like when someone is in love with you and you just don' t relate to that person in that way. Because you wonder about all the delusions going on in their minds. I'd love to see her perform live, but whenever I watch clips with her I think she looks a bit out of place. Well and right on spot at the same time... A danish writer, Suzanne Brxgger, wrote a lot of autobiographical stuff from the seventies onwards, about her love-life and about gender etc. When she became really famous, she found that some women identified so much with her that they began to write letters in her name, to men they fancied, saying that they were Suzanne Brxgger and wanted to have sex with them or whatever. It has got to make you feel queasy when people you don' t know or who yo don't feel the same for begin to identify with you in that way. Just my thoughts... Bene _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:39:37 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: The List (JC...barely) After trying about 4 or 5 stores, I finally found a copy of the 99 best songs as voted for in the Performing Songwriter Poll. Personally, I feel kind of ambivalent about most of these songs and think they left most of the best songs out, but what more do you expect. At least, Tom Waits, Stevie Wonder, and Joni each make one appearance. And there are many songs that certainly belong here but inevitably, these lists always end up being mostly a popularity contest. Most notable omission in my opinion, Lush Life by Billy Strayhorn....and of course many songs by the aforementioned songwriters. 99. Maggie May (Rod Stewart, Martin Quittenton) 98. Go Your Own Way (Lindsay Buckhingham) 97. Fortunate Son (John Fogerty) 96. Hello in There (John Prine).....cool! 95. Let's Stay Together (Al Green, Al Jackson Jr.) 94. Alison (Elvis Costello) 93. Live to Tell (Madonna, Patrick Leonard) 92. Billie Jean (Michael Jackson) 91. London Calling (Mick Jones, Joe Strummer) 90. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Kurt Cobain) 89. Hotel California (Don Henley) 88. Time of the Season (Rod Argent) 87. Have You Ever Loved a Woman? (Billy Myles) 86. Walk the Line (Johnny Cash) 85. Here, There, and Everywhere (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) 84. Purple Rain (Prince) 83. I Can't Make You Love Me (Mike Reid, Allen Shamblin) 82. Jailhouse Rock (Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller) 81. Don't Fear the Reaper (Donald Roeser) 80. Dancing Queen (Benny Anderson, Bjorn Ulvaeus, Stig Anderson) 79. Hallelujia (Leonard Cohen)...nice choice! 78. Dark End of the Street (Dan Penn, Chips Moman) 77. Johnny B. Goode (Chuck Berry) 76. (Looking for ) The Heart of Saturday Night (Tom Waits)....nice but should have several more in here 75. Bohemian Rhapsody (Freddie Mercury) 74. Kashmir (Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Bonham) 73. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) 72. Brick (Ben Folds, Darren Jesse) 71. What a Fool Believes (Michael McDonald, Kenny Loggins) 70. Walking in Memphis (Marc Cohn) 69. Your Song (Elton John, Bernie Taupin) 68. By the Time I Get to Phoenix (Jimmy Webb) 67. Our Love is Here to Stay (George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin) 66. Losing My Religion (Michael Stipe, Peter Buck, Mike Mills, Bill Berry) 65. Suspicious Minds (Mark James) 64. The Christmas Song (Mel Torme, Robert Wells) 63. Light My Fire (Robby Krieger, Ray Manzarek, John Densmore, Jim Morrison) 62. If You Don't Know Me By Know (Kenny Gamble, Leon Huff) 61. Surf's Up (Brian Wilson, Van Dyke Parks) 60. Black Coffee in Bed (Chris Difford, Glenn Tilbrook) 59. Without You (Pete Ham, Tom Evans) 58. Rapper's Delight (Michael Wright, Guy O'Brien, Henry Jackson) 57. Nature Boy (Eden Ahbez) 56. The Girl From Ipanema (Antonio Carlos Jobim, Vinicius de Moraes) 55. Only the Lonely (Roy Orbison, Joe Melson) 54. The Waiting (Tom Petty) 53. Lean On Me (Bill Withers) 52. Deacon Blues (Donald Fagen, Walter Becker) 51. At Seventeen (Janis Ian) 50. Scenes From An Italian Restaraunt (Billy Joel) 49. Changes (David Bowie) 48. Heart of Gold (Neil Young) 47. Jolene (Dolly Parton) 46. Walk Away Renee (Michael Brown, Bob Calilli, Tony Sansone) 45. In Your Eyes (Peter Gabriel) 44. Solitary Man (Neil Diamond) 43. My Funny Valentine (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart)....great song! 42. Georgia on My Mind (Hoagy Carmichael, Stuart Gorrell) 41. Everbody's Talkin' (Fred Neil) 40. Marie (Randy Newman) 39. Son of a Preacher Man (John Hurley, Ronnie Wilkins) 38. I Say a Little Prayer (Burt Bacharach, Hal David) 37. Hot Fun in the Summertime (Sylvester Stewart) 36. He Stopped Loving Her Today (Bobby Braddock, Curly Putnam) 35. Killing Me Softly (Lori Leiberman, Norman Gimbel, Charles Fox) 34. Fire and Rain (James Taylor) 33. That'll Be the Day (Buddy Holly, Jerry Allison, Norman Petty) 32. Respect (Otis Redding) 31. Just My Imagination (Runnin' Away With Me) (Norman Whitfield, Barret Strong) 30. Ode to Billie Joe (Bobbie Gentry) 29. Sultans of Swing (Mark Knopfler) 28. Something (George Harrison) 27. Layla (Eric Clapton, Jim Gordon) 26. Sunday Morning Coming Down (Kris Kristofferson) 25. The Pretender (Jackson Browne) 24. Bridge Over Troubled Waters (Paul Simon)...two thumbs up from me 23. Moon River (Henry Mancini, Johnny Mercer)....ahhhhh 22. Free Man in Paris (Joni Mitchell)....finally, a song from Joni Mitchell 21. Every Breath You Take (Sting) 20. Waterloo Sunset (Ray Davies) 19. Living for the City (Stevie Wonder)...finally, a song from Stevie Wonder, though so many amazing songs that definately belong here 18. One (Bono, the Edge, Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen, Jr.) 17. Wichita Lineman (Jimmy Webb) 16. A Day in the Life (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) 15. Sympathy for the Devil (Mick Jagger, Keith Richards) 14. Tracks of My Tears (Smokey Robinson, Marv Tarplin, Pete Moore) 13. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Elton John, Bernie Taupin) 12. God Only Knows (Brian Wilson, Tony Asher) 11. Crazy (Willie Nelson) 10. It's Too Late (Carole King, Toni Stern) 9. Behind Blue Eyes (Pete Townshend) 8. Over the Rainbow (Harold Arlen, E.Y. Harburg).....side note, one of my professors told me this song was named the most important song of the 20th century...don't remember by who 7. You've Lost That Loving Feeling (Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil, Phil Spector) 6. Born to Run (Bruce Springsteen) 5. All Along the Watchtower (Bob Dylan) 4. Yesterday (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) 3. What's Going On (Marvin Gaye, Obie Benson) 2. Stardust (Hoagy Carmichael, Mitchell Parish) 1. Imagine (John Lennon) Whew...............that was a lot of work. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: Radio highlights of gala, CBC radio Jan 29 if you miss that day, Im sure you can find it in the archives, too. Mags. ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Live reclusive bene, I don't quite agree entirely with your thoughts.. I agree with you about being uncomfortable in public. It gets old when it's the same doldrums, but Joni's always exploring and I would imagine she has her ways of escaping the crowds. She's always graceful and cordial in public. I don't know who you are referring to when you say there was, 'panic in the woman's eyes.' Which woman are you referring to? Joni or her friend? I would imagine that 99% of Joni's fans are not delusional about her. What we see is what we get. Is there any better? What is there to get delusional about? I don't even want to think of JM mimes, paparazzi and obnoxious stalkers. I can understand shy. Look, I was at a Carlos Santana concert in Monterrey, MX, after Supernatural. Carlos and I were at a bar all alone. He had the place cleared out. We were both so shy that we didn't look nor talk to each other. One of the body guards became my friend, behind the bar, only behind the blue tv screen light, the night before. The next day, same bar, the musicians and body guards were egging both us us on to talk. No can do! Carlos was standing, leaning his back against the wall because I could see from the corner of my left eye and I was reading some of St. Teresa of Avila's most beautiful writings and I just kept doing my thing. Carlos has his life and I have mine. What is there to say that nobody has told him before? But Joni's special. I imagine Joni chooses her friends quite differently than most that are out there in the limelight and that's why she's always out of it. So see, Joni's fans have to be different. It's the type of folks she attracts. I cringe in fear thinking of those that do not belong and who follow her around. Especially now, when the world is learning all about her. That's when the witch hunts could begin since her work is so powerful and she has no qualms shaking her fist at lightening as she roars like a forest fire spreading her life-like blazes all across the sky and they'll aim those hoses at her, but Joni will never expire!. I'll defend Joni as I would my own son, mother, siblings and the rest of my family and everyone, including animals and Earth. And one more issue. I don't think comparing that Danish writer's wanna-bees to Joni's fans, such as the ones here at the JMDL, is accurate. Most of my life has been close to Joni through her music, lyrics and paintings and it's nothing but love from her. There is no other Roberta Joan Anderson! No 'copy cats can rip off her melody' like Van Morrison sings. If I haven't been too clear, it's because I've had two neighbors call on me with health and pet problems. I can elaborate more on this subject some other time. Ciao bene! Norma Jean - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Here are some thoughts about Joni being reclusive > and seeing her live.... > > I think it is not entirely unjustified to call > someone reclusive if > she claims that she is a painter above all and yet > doesn't exhibit her > art work. Doesn't that show very clearly that she is > uncomfortable > with meeting the public? > > In those Youtube clips from 1970 I think she looks > nervous and shy. > The other day Mark talked about how he had met > someone who turned out > to be a close friend of hers; and he described the > panic in the lady's > eyes when he told her he was on this mailing list. I > wondered if that > reflects Joni's own panic at meeting the public, > maybe in particular > people like us who experience all sorts of deep and > intimate > connections with her. It must feel intimidating, > like when someone is > in love with you and you just don' t relate to that > person in that > way. Because you wonder about all the delusions > going on in their > minds. > > I'd love to see her perform live, but whenever I > watch clips with her > I think she looks a bit out of place. Well and right > on spot at the > same time... > > A danish writer, Suzanne Brxgger, wrote a lot of > autobiographical > stuff from the seventies onwards, about her > love-life and about gender > etc. When she became really famous, she found that > some women > identified so much with her that they began to write > letters in her > name, to men they fancied, saying that they were > Suzanne Brxgger and > wanted to have sex with them or whatever. It has got > to make you feel > queasy when people you don' t know or who yo don't > feel the same for > begin to identify with you in that way. > > Just my thoughts... > > Bene > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: The List (JC...barely) Thank you for all of your work, Victor. From me to you, mil gracias. norma jean talk to you all later! - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > After trying about 4 or 5 stores, I finally found a > copy of the 99 > best songs as voted for in the Performing Songwriter > Poll. > Personally, I feel kind of ambivalent about most of > these songs and > think they left most of the best songs out, but what > more do you > expect. At least, Tom Waits, Stevie Wonder, and > Joni each make one > appearance. And there are many songs that certainly > belong here but > inevitably, these lists always end up being mostly a > popularity > contest. Most notable omission in my opinion, Lush > Life by Billy > Strayhorn....and of course many songs by the > aforementioned songwriters. > > > > > > 99. Maggie May (Rod Stewart, Martin Quittenton) > 98. Go Your Own Way (Lindsay Buckhingham) > 97. Fortunate Son (John Fogerty) > 96. Hello in There (John Prine).....cool! > 95. Let's Stay Together (Al Green, Al Jackson Jr.) > 94. Alison (Elvis Costello) > 93. Live to Tell (Madonna, Patrick Leonard) > 92. Billie Jean (Michael Jackson) > 91. London Calling (Mick Jones, Joe Strummer) > 90. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Kurt Cobain) > 89. Hotel California (Don Henley) > 88. Time of the Season (Rod Argent) > 87. Have You Ever Loved a Woman? (Billy Myles) > 86. Walk the Line (Johnny Cash) > 85. Here, There, and Everywhere (John Lennon, Paul > McCartney) > 84. Purple Rain (Prince) > 83. I Can't Make You Love Me (Mike Reid, Allen > Shamblin) > 82. Jailhouse Rock (Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller) > 81. Don't Fear the Reaper (Donald Roeser) > 80. Dancing Queen (Benny Anderson, Bjorn Ulvaeus, > Stig Anderson) > 79. Hallelujia (Leonard Cohen)...nice choice! > 78. Dark End of the Street (Dan Penn, Chips Moman) > 77. Johnny B. Goode (Chuck Berry) > 76. (Looking for ) The Heart of Saturday Night (Tom > Waits)....nice > but should have several more in here > 75. Bohemian Rhapsody (Freddie Mercury) > 74. Kashmir (Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Bonham) > 73. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) > 72. Brick (Ben Folds, Darren Jesse) > 71. What a Fool Believes (Michael McDonald, Kenny > Loggins) > 70. Walking in Memphis (Marc Cohn) > 69. Your Song (Elton John, Bernie Taupin) > 68. By the Time I Get to Phoenix (Jimmy Webb) > 67. Our Love is Here to Stay (George Gershwin, Ira > Gershwin) > 66. Losing My Religion (Michael Stipe, Peter Buck, > Mike Mills, Bill > Berry) > 65. Suspicious Minds (Mark James) > 64. The Christmas Song (Mel Torme, Robert Wells) > 63. Light My Fire (Robby Krieger, Ray Manzarek, > John Densmore, Jim > Morrison) > 62. If You Don't Know Me By Know (Kenny Gamble, > Leon Huff) > 61. Surf's Up (Brian Wilson, Van Dyke Parks) > 60. Black Coffee in Bed (Chris Difford, Glenn > Tilbrook) > 59. Without You (Pete Ham, Tom Evans) > 58. Rapper's Delight (Michael Wright, Guy O'Brien, > Henry Jackson) > 57. Nature Boy (Eden Ahbez) > 56. The Girl From Ipanema (Antonio Carlos Jobim, > Vinicius de Moraes) > 55. Only the Lonely (Roy Orbison, Joe Melson) > 54. The Waiting (Tom Petty) > 53. Lean On Me (Bill Withers) > 52. Deacon Blues (Donald Fagen, Walter Becker) > 51. At Seventeen (Janis Ian) > 50. Scenes From An Italian Restaraunt (Billy Joel) > 49. Changes (David Bowie) > 48. Heart of Gold (Neil Young) > 47. Jolene (Dolly Parton) > 46. Walk Away Renee (Michael Brown, Bob Calilli, > Tony Sansone) > 45. In Your Eyes (Peter Gabriel) > 44. Solitary Man (Neil Diamond) > 43. My Funny Valentine (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz > Hart)....great song! > 42. Georgia on My Mind (Hoagy Carmichael, Stuart > Gorrell) > 41. Everbody's Talkin' (Fred Neil) > 40. Marie (Randy Newman) > 39. Son of a Preacher Man (John Hurley, Ronnie > Wilkins) > 38. I Say a Little Prayer (Burt Bacharach, Hal > David) > 37. Hot Fun in the Summertime (Sylvester Stewart) > 36. He Stopped Loving Her Today (Bobby Braddock, > Curly Putnam) > 35. Killing Me Softly (Lori Leiberman, Norman > Gimbel, Charles Fox) > 34. Fire and Rain (James Taylor) > 33. That'll Be the Day (Buddy Holly, Jerry Allison, > Norman Petty) > 32. Respect (Otis Redding) > 31. Just My Imagination (Runnin' Away With Me) > (Norman Whitfield, > Barret Strong) > 30. Ode to Billie Joe (Bobbie Gentry) > 29. Sultans of Swing (Mark Knopfler) > 28. Something (George Harrison) > 27. Layla (Eric Clapton, Jim Gordon) > 26. Sunday Morning Coming Down (Kris Kristofferson) > 25. The Pretender (Jackson Browne) > 24. Bridge Over Troubled Waters (Paul Simon)...two > thumbs up from me > 23. Moon River (Henry Mancini, Johnny > Mercer)....ahhhhh > 22. Free Man in Paris (Joni Mitchell)....finally, a > song from Joni > Mitchell > 21. Every Breath You Take (Sting) > 20. Waterloo Sunset (Ray Davies) > 19. Living for the City (Stevie Wonder)...finally, > a song from > Stevie Wonder, though so many amazing songs that > definately belong here > 18. One (Bono, the Edge, Adam Clayton, Larry > Mullen, Jr.) > 17. Wichita Lineman (Jimmy Webb) > 16. A Day in the Life (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) > 15. Sympathy for the Devil (Mick Jagger, Keith > Richards) > 14. Tracks of My Tears (Smokey Robinson, Marv > Tarplin, Pete Moore) > 13. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Elton John, Bernie > Taupin) > 12. God Only Knows (Brian Wilson, Tony Asher) > 11. Crazy (Willie Nelson) > 10. It's Too Late (Carole King, Toni Stern) > 9. Behind Blue Eyes (Pete Townshend) > 8. Over the Rainbow (Harold Arlen, E.Y. > Harburg).....side note, one > of my professors told me this song was named the > most important song > of the 20th century...don't remember by who > 7. You've Lost That Loving Feeling (Barry Mann, > Cynthia Weil, Phil > Spector) > 6. Born to Run (Bruce Springsteen) > 5. All Along the Watchtower (Bob Dylan) > 4. Yesterday (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) > 3. What's Going On (Marvin Gaye, Obie Benson) > 2. Stardust (Hoagy Carmichael, Mitchell Parish) > 1. Imagine (John Lennon) > > > Whew...............that was a lot of work. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:57:53 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Ballet Joni Yes! Yes! Yes! Especially Judgement of the Moon and Stars! You know, one of my favorite things about Joni's music was when she would compose those orchestrated sections as in Down to You, Judgement, and Let the Wind... I wish more "pop" musicians would follow her lead and compose outside the traditional verse, verse, chorus, verse, chorus format. These days, you just don't encounter that sort of musicality outside of a handful of folks (Kate Bush, Sufjan, Bjork and from what I've heard of her, Joanna Newsome). Hejira would be gorgeous set to music--I can almost picture the Martha Graham-esque choreography! Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com To: kjhsf@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Ballet Joni Your suggestions are all good ones, Ken. My three would be: Hejira (so many good visual images) The Pirate of Penance (since it doesn't work as a song, perhaps it would as a dance) Judgement of the Moon & Stars (thinking about that middle orchestrated section - could be pretty cool) Bob NP: Tori Amos, "Precious Things" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Yikeroos!! - --- Norma Jean Garza wrote: > I can understand shy. > Look, I was at a Carlos Santana concert in > Monterrey, > MX, after Supernatural. Carlos and I were at a bar > all > alone. He had the place cleared out. We were both so > shy that we didn't look nor talk to each other. One > of > the body guards became my friend, behind the bar, > only > behind the blue tv screen light, the night before. > The > next day, same bar, the musicians and body guards > were > egging both us us on to talk. No can do! > Carlos was standing, leaning his back against the > wall > because I could see from the corner of my left eye > and > I was reading some of St. Teresa of Avila's most > beautiful writings and I just kept doing my thing. > Carlos has his life and I have mine. What is there > to > say that nobody has told him before? > > But Joni's special. I imagine Joni chooses her > friends > quite differently than most that are out there in > the > limelight and that's why she's always out of it. > > So see, Joni's fans have to be different. It's the > type of folks she attracts. I cringe in fear > thinking > of those that do not belong and who follow her > around. > > Especially now, when the world is learning all about > her. That's when the witch hunts could begin since > her > work is so powerful and she has no qualms shaking > her > fist at lightening as she roars like a forest fire > spreading her life-like blazes all across the sky > and > they'll aim those hoses at her, but Joni will never > expire!. I'll defend Joni as I would my own son, > mother, siblings and the rest of my family and > everyone, including animals and Earth. > > And one more issue. I don't think comparing that > Danish writer's wanna-bees to Joni's fans, such as > the > ones here at the JMDL, is accurate. Most of my life > has been close to Joni through her music, lyrics and > paintings and it's nothing but love from her. There > is > no other Roberta Joan Anderson! No 'copy cats can > rip > off her melody' > like Van Morrison sings. > > If I haven't been too clear, it's because I've had > two > neighbors call on me with health and pet problems. I > can elaborate more on this subject some other time. > > Ciao bene! > Norma Jean > > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Here are some thoughts about Joni being reclusive > > and seeing her live.... > > > > I think it is not entirely unjustified to call > > someone reclusive if > > she claims that she is a painter above all and yet > > doesn't exhibit her > > art work. Doesn't that show very clearly that she > is > > uncomfortable > > with meeting the public? > > > > In those Youtube clips from 1970 I think she looks > > nervous and shy. > > The other day Mark talked about how he had met > > someone who turned out > > to be a close friend of hers; and he described the > > panic in the lady's > > eyes when he told her he was on this mailing list. > I > > wondered if that > > reflects Joni's own panic at meeting the public, > > maybe in particular > > people like us who experience all sorts of deep > and > > intimate > > connections with her. It must feel intimidating, > > like when someone is > > in love with you and you just don' t relate to > that > > person in that > > way. Because you wonder about all the delusions > > going on in their > > minds. > > > > I'd love to see her perform live, but whenever I > > watch clips with her > > I think she looks a bit out of place. Well and > right > > on spot at the > > same time... > > > > A danish writer, Suzanne Brxgger, wrote a lot of > > autobiographical > > stuff from the seventies onwards, about her > > love-life and about gender > > etc. When she became really famous, she found that > > some women > > identified so much with her that they began to > write > > letters in her > > name, to men they fancied, saying that they were > > Suzanne Brxgger and > > wanted to have sex with them or whatever. It has > got > > to make you feel > > queasy when people you don' t know or who yo don't > > feel the same for > > begin to identify with you in that way. > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > Bene > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! 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