From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #26 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 026 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Euro Jonifest, etc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Tea in London, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: rip, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni's height and privacy [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Street names in Joni songs NJC all street songs now [Victor Johnson <] Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on [Bob Muller ] Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on [Norma Jean Garza ] idiot test, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Stephen Toogood" ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] J's height [Kate Johnson ] Re: FW: Message from Website [Catherine McKay ] RE: Message from Website ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Victor Johnson ] RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lam] RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: joni's height and privacy NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Euro Jonifest, etc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Bob Dylan and C&S ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: joni's height and privacy NJC [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Randy Remote" ] The Alberta Ballet production [Brian Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:42:43 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Euro Jonifest, etc The Atlantic is not the only ocean some people need to cross to get to a Euro Jonifest. I'd still like to see one happen somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Mark in Sydney (not Europe or North America) Hi Mark Sorry for leaving you out mate! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:12:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tea in London, njc Dear Laurent, I'd love to finally meet some Jonifolks, and think I'll be in London on these two days, so do keep me posted about tea! Bene Splendid, i'll contact you off-list for details. Just posting my delight in case someone else wants to join Feb 3&4th. Anybody going to see John Martyn? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: rip, njc We should live our lives as though we were. In other words - if there are things you want to accomplish, set about getting them done. And if you're leaving people behind, make sure they are taken care of. Term life insurance is cheap. Bob NP: Jerry Butler, "Hey, Western Union Man" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:53:32 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's height and privacy A different kind of person wrote: > Now I am different...I would love to know personal stuff about her. Let's > see...I would love to know her shoe size..does she eat oatmeal for > breakfast. What was the last book she read. Her favorite > perfume...soap....shampoo. And..of course..more heavy stuff...greatest > fears...everyday worries. But I would not invade her personal space > .....and would never ask her this stuff because I have a tremendous amount > of respect for her. I don't care for nervy people...so I would never > want to become what I can't tolerate in other people. > > Marianne's original question: I'm a Gemini and a smidgen under 5' > 10'.....oh...shoe size: 10..;-) > Hi Diffy, Do you eat oatmeal for breakfast and what book did you read last? What's your favorite perfume, soap, and shampoo? What are your greatest fears and everday worries? And do you like pina coladas and getting caught in the rain? I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours. Forgive me if asking is too nervy. Tell me off list if it is... or don't tell me at all if it really really is. Love, Fair Lady PS. 9.5 narrow, and I confess, my feet know your black sneakers well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:04:25 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Street names in Joni songs NJC all street songs now Thought of a few more... Seven Bridges Road (Eagles) Copper Road (James Taylor) Copperhead Road (Steve Earle) Undoubtedly there are more out there, but it seems like a rather short list, considering the vast number of songs there are. Victor On Jan 20, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Kerry wrote: > What about 57 Mount Pleasant Street? (Crowded House) Just > listened to it today! > > Kerry > (hello - old friends!) > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on You're correct in thinking that Clouds gets short shrift here, Monika. In the JMDL album poll (http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm), Clouds has yet to crack the top ten, always finishing 12-14, above her 80's work but below her 70's work and STAS. And it's certainly not due to any weakness on Clouds' part, rather I think it's just the strength of that 70's output. Myself, I was late to Clouds. My Joni experience started with C&S, then Hejira and everything after that as it came out, and then in the 80's I begin backfilling. When my son was born, our neighbors had a girl his same age so they would play together. One day I was thumbing through their LP collection and saw Clouds and asked if I could borrow it - I did, and I transferred it to tape and grew to really enjoy it. I find it a bit more laid-back than most of her other work, perhaps due to its heavily acoustic nature. A great early-morning coffee sipping record. My fave song on it is "I Think I Understand", gorgeous musically and so powerfully inspirational lyrically. "Both Sides Now" is of course a masterpiece (when I taped the LP I put it at the beginning and end of the tape), "That Song About the Midway" (check out Bonnie Raitt's version if you haven't heard it, it is masterful). I find "Songs to Aging Children Come", "Tin Angel", and "Roses Blue" very distant lyrically, but I love to listen to them for the challenging chord progressions alone - I can appreciate them at that level 100%. And...Clouds is one of the few Joni albums that has 100% coverage...that is, every song on it has been recorded by someone else. Bob NP: REM, "Try Not To Breathe" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Street names in Joni songs NJC all street songs now > Thought of a few more... > > Seven Bridges Road (Eagles) Em notes: "Seven Bridges Road" actually written by songwriter Steve Young, lest someone think The Eagles wrote it.... also another from Dylan: "Now the bricks lay on Grand Street" come to think of it, is Desolation Row a "street"?? hmm... Rue Morgue Avenue, also She lives on Love Street I got John and Mary and Sanctuary on Telegraph Avenue tones and tons more..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:17:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: rip, njc Wonder Woman asked: > what if we each knew we were gonna go at age 66? > > what would we do? > > Hi WW, I would travel more with my husband, buy a motorsicle and ride all over the US and Canada with him. Everything else, I'd keep about the same. A friend of mine died a few days ago unexpectedly. This past year he and his wife traveled a lot and had a great time... Love, DD (day dreamer) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:47:12 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Clouds was the first Joni album I ever heard. I agree with you about the innocent and childlike feel of this album - it may be why it grabbed me so much; I was only thirteen! The first song that blew me away was The Gallery, and the last song to grab me was That Song About the Midway - it took me some years to appreciate, and now it's my favorite song from the album. At 12:41 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote: > So what do you think of the album? What songs do you particularly >enjoy? What was your first experience with the album and how do >you feel about it >comparatively now? >-Monika - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Street names in Joni songs NJC all street songs now Spring Street, Dar Williams - --- Em wrote: > > Thought of a few more... > > > > Seven Bridges Road (Eagles) > > Em notes: > "Seven Bridges Road" actually written by songwriter > Steve Young, lest > someone think The Eagles wrote it.... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:13:43 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: calling video geeks - NJC Hi all, I am planning to use the PC to 'move' / 'copy' my VHS cassettes to the Hard Disk and then to DVDs. My VHS is a Sanyo and has 2 Euroconnectors (SCARTs) and RCA sockets. Can anyone comment on the right kind of cable(s) I need to do this and also recommend a free/cheap video editing programme which I could use to delete the video content I don't wish to keep? Thanks, mike in bcn NP Love is All - Talk Talk Talk Talk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Hello! It nice to know another girl/woman who also grew up with Joni! Norma Jean - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Clouds was the first Joni album I ever heard. I > agree with you about > the innocent and childlike feel of this album - it > may be why it > grabbed me so much; I was only thirteen! The first > song that blew me > away was The Gallery, and the last song to grab me > was That Song > About the Midway - it took me some years to > appreciate, and now it's > my favorite song from the album. > > At 12:41 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote: > > So what do you think of the album? What > songs do you particularly > >enjoy? What was your first experience with the > album and how do > >you feel about it > >comparatively now? > >-Monika > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on I wonder how many grew up with Joni, since childhood? Since I was a very small girl, we listened to Willie Nelson over and over, because he was a DJ for a little boon dock town right out of San Antonio, playing gigs at all the red-neck honky-tonks. My dad would always go hang out wherever Willie was at, back in the 60's and he left us alone often with my mother. He could appreciate his talent and of course, they knew each other. After that, it was Joni, which I found at the age of twelve along with all the beautiful colorful sweet tangible and intangible things and senses like oranges and ice cream castles and fairy tales and the oceans and mountains and Persian lace and all that stuff little girls love and day-dream about. Then came "Blue" and I was just ripe for the Joni pickin'. My first experience with Love with those first touches of warmth and tenderness and the stinging and burning of what was to come with those silky veils of ardor, which I had never felt nor seen. So, you see, how can I separate with something that's in my blood? Norma Jean - --- Bob Muller wrote: > You're correct in thinking that Clouds gets short > shrift here, Monika. > > In the > JMDL album poll > (http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm), Clouds has yet > to crack > the top ten, always finishing 12-14, above her 80's > work but below her 70's > work and STAS. > > And it's certainly not due to any weakness on > Clouds' part, > rather I think it's just the strength of that 70's > output. Myself, I was late > to Clouds. My Joni experience started with C&S, then > Hejira and everything > after that as it came out, and then in the 80's I > begin backfilling. When my > son was born, our neighbors had a girl his same age > so they would play > together. One day I was thumbing through their LP > collection and saw Clouds > and asked if I could borrow it - I did, and I > transferred it to tape and grew > to really enjoy it. > > I find it a bit more laid-back than most of her > other > work, perhaps due to its heavily acoustic nature. A > great early-morning coffee > sipping record. My fave song on it is "I Think I > Understand", gorgeous > musically and so powerfully inspirational lyrically. > "Both Sides Now" is of > course a masterpiece (when I taped the LP I put it > at the beginning and end of > the tape), "That Song About the Midway" (check out > Bonnie Raitt's version if > you haven't heard it, it is masterful). > > I find "Songs to Aging Children > Come", "Tin Angel", and "Roses Blue" very distant > lyrically, but I love to > listen to them for the challenging chord > progressions alone - I can appreciate > them at that level 100%. > > And...Clouds is one of the few Joni albums that has > 100% coverage...that is, every song on it has been > recorded by someone else. > Bob > > NP: REM, "Try Not To Breathe" > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for > Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:34:19 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have to agree. I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - create something special and unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated her core from it. Besides, didn't she create something special all the way back with her first album (any STAS fans?). amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: "anon anon" >Reply-To: "anon anon" >To: Joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major problems with DJRD may >be that there is something kind of "detached" about the record... I enjoy >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really that emotionally involved >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", "hejira"... those albums seem to >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart and soul... DJRD >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance in my opinion... maybe in >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe she was happier at the >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as involved in the album... > >_________________________________________________________________ >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 _________________________________________________________________ Find Love This New Year With match.com! http://msnuk.match.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Could you please give me specifics why you don't feel Joni's core in DJRD? I don't know why I can't feel this detachment. It bothers me. Was Joni that wired out on cocaine? Sincerely, normajean - --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have > to agree. > I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - > create something special and > unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated > her core from it. > Besides, didn't she create something special all the > way back with her first > album (any STAS fans?). > > amelio747 > > www.myspace.com/parkertristan > > >From: "anon anon" > >Reply-To: "anon anon" > >To: Joni@smoe.org > >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > problems with DJRD may > >be that there is something kind of "detached" > about the record... I enjoy > >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > that emotionally involved > >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", > "hejira"... those albums seem to > >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart > and soul... DJRD > >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance > in my opinion... maybe in > >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe > she was happier at the > >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as > involved in the album... > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is > here. Get all the scoop. > >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find Love This New Year With match.com! > http://msnuk.match.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:10 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: STAS Knew it wasn't just me! STAS is one of my fave Joni albums. Initially it was the only Joni album my flatmate liked, then he warmed to clouds... and I think he likes LOTC too, oh and MOI! amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Em >To: Stephen Toogood >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:39:25 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, I adore STAS. >:) >Em > > >--- Stephen Toogood wrote: > > Besides, didn't she create something special all the way back with > > her first > > album (any STAS fans?). _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:04:18 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: idiot test, njc http://users.skynet.be/bk258512/idiot_test.swf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:09:42 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I remember reading in one of Joni's biographies, her saying around about the time, and don't quote me, that she could play guitar better than any man. Her playing was very sharp at the time, and I believe she approached the music different because of this confidance. These are just my thoughts and speculations. amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Norma Jean Garza >Reply-To: Norma Jean Garza >To: Stephen Toogood >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) > >Could you please give me specifics why you don't feel >Joni's core in >DJRD? >I don't know why I can't feel this detachment. It >bothers me. >Was Joni that wired out on cocaine? > >Sincerely, >normajean > >--- Stephen Toogood wrote: > > > I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have > > to agree. > > I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - > > create something special and > > unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated > > her core from it. > > Besides, didn't she create something special all the > > way back with her first > > album (any STAS fans?). > > > > amelio747 > > > > www.myspace.com/parkertristan > > > > >From: "anon anon" > > >Reply-To: "anon anon" > > >To: Joni@smoe.org > > >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > > > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > > problems with DJRD may > > >be that there is something kind of "detached" > > about the record... I enjoy > > >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > > that emotionally involved > > >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", > > "hejira"... those albums seem to > > >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart > > and soul... DJRD > > >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance > > in my opinion... maybe in > > >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe > > she was happier at the > > >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as > > involved in the album... > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is > > here. Get all the scoop. > > >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Find Love This New Year With match.com! > > http://msnuk.match.com > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >Games. >http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:17:42 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >that emotionally involved in the album I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's MOST emotionally involved lyrics of her career. "If I'd only seen through the silky veils of ardor What a killing crime this love can be I would have locked up my heart In a golden sheath of armor And kept its crazy beating Under strictest secrecy" "It's been stinger to stinger darling It's been heart to heart You still keep me from finishing Any new love I start" Les NP: The Replacements "I will dare" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:24:09 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email on any responses) - -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song which I think was written by a very young Joni Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social injustice, a young white girl dating a young black guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any information would be great: name of song, name of album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) Name: Sheree email: shezza40@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:23:21 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: J's height I wouldn't bet my life on my guess, Jim. It's just that if she'd been, oh, 5'8", I'd have thought she was a tall woman. And I didn't; I thought she was close to my height. I agree with the person who posted that she'd like to know details about Joni -- what she eats for breakfast, her shoe size, etc -- I'm the same. These kinds of details are what bring a fictional character to life in a novel, and it only makes sense that this is the case for real people we don't know personally, too. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org > What? This changes everything. Gees, I'll have to re-evaluate her > now. :) > > Jim L. > > > Kate in SK wrote: >> I'm just a smidgin under 5'5" and I believe she is a little taller, > maybe 5'6"> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Not Joni. Janis Ian: Society's Child. - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email > on any responses) > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM > > Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song > which I think was written by a very young Joni > Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation > vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social > injustice, a young white girl dating a young black > guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I > can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you > anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, > somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any > information would be great: name of song, name of > album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) > > Name: Sheree > email: shezza40@yahoo.com > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:42:27 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Message from Website Sheree, The song you are looking for is "Society's Child" by Janis Ian. http://www.janisian.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:24 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: FW: Message from Website Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email on any responses) - -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song which I think was written by a very young Joni Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social injustice, a young white girl dating a young black guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any information would be great: name of song, name of album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) Name: Sheree email: shezza40@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:52:08 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I think it can be deceiving, what some may view as detachment, others may view as core, heart and soul. I know many people who don't enjoy jazz and just don't get it. When I went to see McCoy Tyner w/Ravi Coltrane and Pharaoh Sanders, my friend was mildy interested while I was completely mesmerized, as if it gripped my very soul. When I first discovered Joni Mitchell, it was STAS that drew me in. For quite awhile, I was only familiar with her early work until much later, after I had forged heavily into jazz (ala Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, John Coltrane, etc...), and I listened to Hejira, HOSL, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and got deeply into these albums. Knowing what I know of Joni and of the pursuit of jazz, the spirituality of it, the virtues of writing music and exploring the unknown, delving into the subconscious, I see these later albums as baring her soul, albeit in a different way than STAS. Victor NP: Ella Fitzgerald Mack the Knife (Live in Berlin) On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >> it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >> that emotionally involved in the album > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of > Joni's MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. > > "If I'd only seen through the silky veils of ardor > What a killing crime this love can be > I would have locked up my heart > In a golden sheath of armor > And kept its crazy beating > Under strictest secrecy" > > "It's been stinger to stinger darling > It's been heart to heart > You still keep me from finishing > Any new love I start" > > Les > NP: The Replacements "I will dare" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:55:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Yikes, I've done it again. A family friend gave me a cassette of Ian & Sylvia after we talked about Joni. I tried it but it's not for me. Richard, I'm glad you enjoy them. Jim L. > From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Fighting words, Jim. I revere Ian & Sylvia. > From: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama > The reason I overlook the album > "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a > synthetic ernestness. >>> Motitan@aol.com >>>My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! I >>>don't understand why.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:46:36 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Well, of course we wouldn't really come to blows over it. There are naturally some records of Ian & Sylvia that sound dated, but their albums "Ian & Sylvia" (1962) "Four Strong Winds" (1963) "Northern Journey" "Early Morning Rain" (1964) and "Play One More" (1965) still sound great to me. And the first "Great Speckled Bird" album (1970) will never sound dated to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Speckled_Bird_%28band%29 Not to mention that any duo that can write "Four Strong Winds" and "Someday Soon" (Ian) and "You Were on My Mind" (Sylvia) deserves its place in the folk music pantheon. But I like "Clouds," too. Here's my top ten Joni albums list in ranked order: 1. For the Roses* 2. Hejira* 3. Blue 4. Hissing of Summer Lawns 5. Song to a Seagull 6. Clouds 7. Ladies of the Canyon 8. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 9. Night Ride Home 10. Court and Spark * I consider this to be a virtual tie for 1st place. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:56 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'JMDL' Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Yikes, I've done it again. A family friend gave me a cassette of Ian & Sylvia after we talked about Joni. I tried it but it's not for me. Richard, I'm glad you enjoy them. Jim L. > From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Fighting words, Jim. I revere Ian & Sylvia. > From: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama > The reason I overlook the album > "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a > synthetic ernestness. >>> Motitan@aol.com >>>My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! I >>>don't understand why.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:02:31 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Geaux SAINTS Off to Pete's Bar and Grill downtown LA to watch the New Orleans Saints play the NFC championship and go marching in to the Superbowl. Go Saints! Everybody pull for us please! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:07:20 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy NJC Not Graham Nash? Only because of your P.S. hint.. ..Riding On A Carousel. >From: Norma Jean Garza >To: Bree Mcdonough >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy NJC >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:57:07 -0800 (PST) > >Geez, I feel like I'm hearing those GEICO commercials >for auto insurance when they talk really fast. > >I have a question. > >You know, there's a commercial on TV about Geico and >there's this guy >who dresses up as a Neanderthal modern man and he >reminds me very much so of a certain male rock star in >looks. > >Have any of you found a resemblance of some musician >to this cave-man who comes off as modern, maybe? > >Norma Jean > >ps they open and close you over and over and around >and around and up and down... > > > >--- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > We got it out of her! But you failed to mention > > that being a Leo.. you > > get fewer tickets and in fewer accidents than any > > other sun sign. > > According to a survey recently... ..as reported by > > insurance companies > > database...out of one hundred thousand drivers.... > > Leo's make the best > > drivers. ..better driver's skills and adapting to > > any road conditions. > > Gemini's number two. Let's watch out for those > > Libra's and > > Aries...bottom of the list. ;-) > > > > Bree > > > > > > > > >Okay, now I will respond to those questions > > concerning > > >my height, weight and shoe size: > > > > > >I'm small and petite, right at 5'3" and weigh about > > >118 lbs. Lately, I am losing weight, maybe because > > of > > >that ADD medication, I think, and everytime I surf > > the > > >channels of the TV and see Susan Lucci on QVC, I > > >remind myself of me...sort of too skinny, even for > > my > > >small stature and trying to grow old with grace and > > >trying to look sort of pretty and it's not all that > > >easy...it takes alot of deep breathing, stretch > > >exercises like Yoga or dancin' like Joni in the > > >kitchen washing dishes. I may use restylene here in > > >the near future..I don't know. I am a Leo, born in > > >1957. Catholic, the mother of a son and the eldest > > of > > >seven wonderful siblings of whom I love and > > cherish, > > >along with my nephews and nieces, of which I take > > care > > >of whenever I can! I love Joni Mitchell, Van > > Morison, > > >Ry Cooder, Ruben Blades, Warren Zevon and many > > more, > > >select musicians, painters, authors, humanitarians, > > >and artists. I love to read everything I can, from > > all > > >over this planet when I can concentrate. I love > > >humanity, animals and the Earth and I ALWAYS return > > to > > >the garden where it's just me and someone I love > > like > > >Joni, in Nature and The Father, Son and Holy > > Spirit, > > >all misty, wet with rain, in the garden, like Van > > >Morrison sings. > > > > > >There! > > > > > >Norma Jean > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, > > recipes and more on your > > Live.com page. > > >http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:12:54 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Speaking of Ian & Sylvia NJC Does anyone know if a recording of this event exists? If you do, contact me off-list: http://www.mariposafolk.com/signpost.php?dest=hall_of_fame ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:42:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Euro Jonifest, etc Hi Laurent, I would really love to attend a Euro Jonifest at some time and think your idea is a good one. I can't attend every Jonifest but I have attended two in the U.S. I would like the opportunity one day to attend two Euro ones as well! I loved the pictures that were posted about it! They were absolutely beautiful and breathtaking! Italy or France, both are beautiful locations! Sincerely, Sherelle From: "Laurent Olszer" Just wanted to submit the idea of a Euro Jonifest every other year. I think that it would make it easier on everybody's budget if they didn't have to cross the Atlantic every year, and thus promote exchange and meeting among jmdlers who would otherwise not come. If needed, Jean Yves will be glad to welcome it again in France. Or there were other offers from Italy. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:50:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and C&S Eeeks! Court & Spark is the first Joni album I ever heard and so it has to be my favorite followed by Shadows and Light (must get Miles of Aisles to compare the two though!) I have to say in poor Bob's defense that C&S just calms my soul every time I listen to it. It has that affect on me. I just start feeling "Mellow Yellow" every time I hear it. I'm hoping that was the case with Bob Dylan along with fatigue though it would hurt my feelings if I were the artist presenting new material to a fellow artist and friend. I understand where you are coming from Monkika! Sherelle Monika wrote: I had read in an interview with Joni, that after she recorded C&S, she played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! Bob, come on man! Chances are he probably was tired and all and didn't mean it to be an insult (I presume anyhow), but how rude! I find that such a very, very mean thing to let yourself do. It'd be one thing to listen to the album and then say oh I think it's a piece of shit but to fall asleep when its playing for the first time?!?!? Atleast if you say you don't like it, you know you atleast gave it the attention and respect it deserved to be able to come to that conclusion. And when coming from one artist to another I'd think you'd be more respectful than that as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Dylan's music (Sub. Homesick Blues is my favourite song of his or one of them), and I think he's a pretty funny guy from what I know but the man can be mean...... - - -Monika _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy NJC No, not Graham Nash. If you have seen the commercial, I think you may be able to find some sort of look-a-like! Bye, Bree! Besides, I ain't saying who. It's up to the eyes of the beholder. nj - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Not Graham Nash? Only because of your P.S. hint.. > ..Riding On A > Carousel. > > > >From: Norma Jean Garza > >To: Bree Mcdonough > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy NJC > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:57:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >Geez, I feel like I'm hearing those GEICO > commercials > >for auto insurance when they talk really fast. > > > >I have a question. > > > >You know, there's a commercial on TV about Geico > and > >there's this guy > >who dresses up as a Neanderthal modern man and he > >reminds me very much so of a certain male rock star > in > >looks. > > > >Have any of you found a resemblance of some > musician > >to this cave-man who comes off as modern, maybe? > > > >Norma Jean > > > >ps they open and close you over and over and around > >and around and up and down... > > > > > > > >--- Bree Mcdonough > wrote: > > > > > We got it out of her! But you failed to > mention > > > that being a Leo.. you > > > get fewer tickets and in fewer accidents than > any > > > other sun sign. > > > According to a survey recently... ..as reported > by > > > insurance companies > > > database...out of one hundred thousand > drivers.... > > > Leo's make the best > > > drivers. ..better driver's skills and adapting > to > > > any road conditions. > > > Gemini's number two. Let's watch out for > those > > > Libra's and > > > Aries...bottom of the list. ;-) > > > > > > Bree > > > > > > > > > > > > >Okay, now I will respond to those questions > > > concerning > > > >my height, weight and shoe size: > > > > > > > >I'm small and petite, right at 5'3" and weigh > about > > > >118 lbs. Lately, I am losing weight, maybe > because > > > of > > > >that ADD medication, I think, and everytime I > surf > > > the > > > >channels of the TV and see Susan Lucci on QVC, > I > > > >remind myself of me...sort of too skinny, even > for > > > my > > > >small stature and trying to grow old with grace > and > > > >trying to look sort of pretty and it's not all > that > > > >easy...it takes alot of deep breathing, stretch > > > >exercises like Yoga or dancin' like Joni in the > > > >kitchen washing dishes. I may use restylene > here in > > > >the near future..I don't know. I am a Leo, born > in > > > >1957. Catholic, the mother of a son and the > eldest > > > of > > > >seven wonderful siblings of whom I love and > > > cherish, > > > >along with my nephews and nieces, of which I > take > > > care > > > >of whenever I can! I love Joni Mitchell, Van > > > Morison, > > > >Ry Cooder, Ruben Blades, Warren Zevon and many > > > more, > > > >select musicians, painters, authors, > humanitarians, > > > >and artists. I love to read everything I can, > from > > > all > > > >over this planet when I can concentrate. I love > > > >humanity, animals and the Earth and I ALWAYS > return > > > to > > > >the garden where it's just me and someone I > love > > > like > > > >Joni, in Nature and The Father, Son and Holy > > > Spirit, > > > >all misty, wet with rain, in the garden, like > Van > > > >Morrison sings. > > > > > > > >There! > > > > > > > >Norma Jean > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View > photos, > > > recipes and more on your > > > Live.com page. > > > > >http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people > who know. > >Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends > list with Windows Live > Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:43:41 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Victor wrote: I listened to Hejira, HOSL, > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and got deeply into these albums. > Knowing what I know of Joni and of the pursuit of jazz, the > spirituality of it, the virtues of writing music and exploring the > unknown, delving into the subconscious, I see these later albums as > baring her soul, albeit in a different way than STAS. I appreciate your sensitive view about Joni's later work and progression. I cannot think about her works in better terms, that's what make her so grand: the pull and nerve to explore, expose herself (to herself first) and experience life with an unbearable intensity at times. She is pure sensitivy ... even in DED, an album I tend to appreciate by reading the lyrics.rather than the music (though Dave Blackburn's remaster of DED is very nice, thank you Dave). The so called jazz period that saw HOSL, Hejira, DJRD and Mingus cannot be so easily detached from what came before and after, and I'm not talking in musicology terms of course. I feel every single song bares her soul, she is orbiting around the sun too and thus following her own rhythm & coherence... but the sensitivity and emotionality seems blue printed in every piece. Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:03:43 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >>it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >>that emotionally involved in the album > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's > MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. That's what I was thinking-while DJRD has many moods, these two songs must be among her most intense, Scorpionic pieces ever. And the guitar playing-she is really slapping the shit out of it, but focused, too. A really stunning way to end the album, the way it started, with voice and guitar, and with the title track preceeding, a very weighty side of vinyl at the time. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: The Alberta Ballet production It would appear as though our Joan has a bit more to do with the upcoming Alberta Ballet production than just giving permision for her music to be used: http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070121/ca_pr_on_en/arts_joni_mitchell_ballet_1 Joni Mitchell's Alta. ballet production sparks unexpected worldwide attention STEVE LILLEBUEN EDMONTON (CP) - The reclusive Joni Mitchell, singer-songwriter, environmentalist, painter and icon for a generation, is dancing up a storm of interest over her latest creation - a ballet set to her own music and artwork. Mitchell has joined with the Alberta Ballet Company to produce "The Fiddle and The Drum," which will be performed over five dates between Calgary and Edmonton next month. Since dance rehearsals began two months ago, calls for interviews have been ringing in from all over the world. "We never expected anything like this," said Jean Grande-Maitre, the ballet's artistic director. "We're seeing interest in the creation of a ballet unlike anything we've ever seen in the history of the company, actually." Interest is so high, he said, that both the Sunday Times in London and the New York Times are publishing feature-length articles on the production. The BBC has expressed interest in sending a camera crew to film the event, and Bravo, the specialty arts channel, will broadcast the performance at a later date on cable TV. Grande-Maitre has also received calls from the British tabloid HELLO!, a daily newspaper in Germany, several arts magazines scattered across Europe, and a few dozen radio stations and newspapers from all across Canada and the U.S. For the small-market ballet company, which produces only five shows a year, it's been a bit overwhelming. For Mitchell, who will be inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame on Jan. 28, it's even more daunting because it's her big debut after years away from the public eye. "Whenever she comes out (into public) it's like suddenly everybody goes after her and she gets overwhelmed by it," he said. "She's not always the most comfortable person with the media." Mitchell's agent said she's cut the cord on media requests for the time being. She's too focused on final preparations and won't speak about the ballet until a week before the grand opening. The ballet is 48 minutes long and will feature nine songs from Mitchell's musical repertoire. The production is centred on environmental issues and world violence, stretching from the Vietnam War to the present day. Grande-Maitre wrote to Mitchell nearly a year ago, asking her to consider working on the project. "I was more interested in collaboration than just getting the rights to use her music," he explained. "Joni Mitchell has always loved ballet and dance, and being involved in this way interested her a lot." It's a production that gives Mitchell, responsible for such radio hits as "Big Yellow Taxi," and "Both Sides Now," a chance to combine her various artistic endeavours into one setting. She has led a side-career as a painter since the '80s, but has rarely shown her artwork publicly and has never placed it up for sale. Now she has spent at least 100 hours on the ballet, creating a video installation that will be projected on large screens above the dancers. "The fusion of art forms from her music to the visual arts and dance is so interesting to see," he said. "It was an idea that started with a little bit of talk, and it's blossomed into this wonderful project that is getting such international attention." Copyright ) 2007 Canadian Press I hope some jmdlers get to see this production, and report back to us. back to the shadows, Brian nw: Michael's Saints being mauled by the Bears (geaux Saints, esp after what you did to my Eagles) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #26 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------