From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 023 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Both Sides Now Country? ["Stephen Toogood" ] RE: Both Sides Now Country? ["Stephen Toogood" ] RE: Hejira Dreary Ramble ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Chris Marshall ] Hejira dirge [missblux@googlemail.com] Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Street names in Joni songs [Victor Johnson ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 11 / wolfgnags vault ["ron" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Street names in Joni songs [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni's fans/a little long [Bob Muller ] responses to posts, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Hejira dirge [Paul In MD ] Re: This weeks concerts at Wolfgangs Vault njc! ["Richard Goldman" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter... ["Michael O'Malley" ] RIP - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] WOHAM ["Kate Bennett" ] Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Six Degrees of Joni [mags h ] Re: Six Degrees of Joni [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:54:04 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now Country? Mark, Thanks for clearning that up for me. I've always wondered how one would define them. Makes a lot of sense. amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Mark-Leon Thorne >Reply-To: Mark-Leon Thorne >To: Motitan@aol.com >CC: JMDL >Subject: Re: Both Sides Now Country? >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:35:43 +1100 > >I've had this experience too, Monika. I think it's because folk music and >country music came from the same desires; to get back to the purity of >acoustic music. To keep it plain and simple and let the story be told in >the lyrics. That's what they both have in common although, they had >slightly different origins. The term, "folk" music would have been coined >to show these stories are from the common people as opposed to the >aristocracy. Country music began, as the name implies, with the simple >living people of the rural areas and therefore, kept simple in order to >tell a story. > >Folk music hit its hey day in North America and Australia in the 1960s for >the abovementioned reasons when young people wanted their voices heard in a >popular medium yet, kept affordable. Although every country has its own >form of folk music, North American folk music grew out of a growing >popularity for old English folk music. The artist who really brought that >form of music into the limelight was Joan Baez. Joni says she began her >career emulating Joan and others and if you listen to her really early >bootleg recordings, you can hear that style. Even in her lyrics. Mostly >song about people in the third person. > >Joni started the revolution of personalising the lyrics and in the process, >restructured what we know today as folk music. > >Country music, on the other hand seems to have always been personal stories >but mostly referring to lifestyle rather than philosophising about life or >politics. > >Does that sound about right? > >Mark in Sydney. > >NP Tenterfield Saddler - Peter Allen (an early '70s Australian folk song - >or is it a country song since Tenterfield is a country town?) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:44:53 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Both Sides Now Country? People generally like to put things into boxes don't they? I can comprehend folk, but country? I think the closest Joni ever sounded to country was 'You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio)'. The story goes that Joni and Geffen wanted a hit at the time, and I believe country is, and was a pretty big genre in the states... The song is so many other things, but I could understand if someone mistook it for country. amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Motitan@aol.com >Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Both Sides Now Country? >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:18:51 EST > >I was at my friend's house yesterday and I asked him to watch some of my >love, YouTube, since it doesn't work on my computer and one of the things >we >watched was Joni's 1970 performance of "Both Sides Now." Very lovely >performance if I do say so myself. However, as soon as she started >strumming, before >any singing even, my friend goes, "oh you like country music? Cool." I >explained this wasn't country and so forth. Since then I've put this song >on a >few times listening closely, even playing it for my brother and sister, >trying >to see if there was any truth in that question. I don't see it, or well >hear >it. Do you think this song sounds "country" or has a country tint to it >or >is he just on crack? >-Monika _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:49:10 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Hejira Dreary Ramble Hah yes... I can feel the arrows shooting for my head. I don't dislike the album totally, but I always regard it is as her first step on the path to nowhere... amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: missblux@googlemail.com >To: amelio747@hotmail.com, "Joni LIST" >Subject: Hejira Dreary Ramble >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:06:39 +0000 > >Hi Stephen, > >wow! Just last week I said on the list that I had never heard anyone >say anything bad about Hejira - and here you are! I always thought it >was one of the wonders of this album that most people feel the songs >immediately like you say, and can listen to them again and again. > >A dreary ramble - wow people are different! > >Bene > > > >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:04:15 +0000 >From: "Stephen Toogood" >Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter... (+ Hejira) > >I've made a real effort to enjoy Hejira and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >over the years, but it mostly doesn't come. Hejira = dreary ramble, DJRD = >the height of pretension and regurgitation. I can understand other people >liking them, however I just dont feel most of the songs. All that said, I >feel DJRD has a more varried and brighter sound than Hejira, and at first I >thought it had a lot of potential. > >The Joni albums that mean the most to me are: > >STAS >MOI >HOSL > >amelio747 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:59:27 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 'Otis & Marlena' missed off? DJRS's only saving grace? amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: "Jenny Goodspeed" >Reply-To: "Jenny Goodspeed" >To: "Chris Marshall" , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 > >chris, >that is almost exactly the mix i would make from those two records. i >think >i will make it actually. good idea! > >i would add 'silky veils' if it fit, even though it's acoustic. it would >be >lovely way to end and it flows nicely from 'off night' - i think they must >be the same tuning. >jen > >On 1/19/07, Chris Marshall wrote: > > > > I love DJRD. But if I'm honest, I *love* bits of it to death, and skip > > other bits. For me, there's a couple of misses in Hejira too, but > > only a couple. > > > > I haven't posted this mix for a long time, but try this and see how > > you go:- > > > > Take the following from Hejira:- > > > > Coyote > > Amelia > > A Strange Boy > > Hejira > > Song For Sharon > > Black Crow > > Refuge Of The Roads > > > > Then the following from DJRD:- > > > > Cotton Avenue > > Talk To Me > > Jericho > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > Off Night Backstreet > > > > Ram all that lot on one CD (it fits) then listen end to end. > > > > There may be track orderings that work better than the default, > > but I don't know. > > > > I'll be the first to admit that the aspect that ties it all > > together is Jaco, but all the tracks seem to fit so well, > > it seems all of a piece. > > > > Be interested to know if this works as well for others > > as it does for me, i.e. all the "good stuff" from both > > Hejira and DJRD. > > > > Ramble over... > > > > --Chris Marshall > > > > chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:39:47 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: stamps of many countries From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" > Stamps I would like to see are: Blue cover, the photo from the back of > STAS and the cover self portrait from Both Sides, Now. > > They'd have to be Canadian stamps though, right? Do they put non Americans > on American stamps? American rules include: 1. It is a general policy that U.S. postage stamps and stationery primarily will feature American or American-related subjects. 2. No living person shall be honored by portrayal on U.S. postage. Since #1 says "primarily", and Joni has lived most of her life here, I suppose there is a chance. You have to be 5 years dead, so hope- fully we will never see it in our lifetime. If Spiderman and Blondie got stamps, surely Joni is 'lickworthy'. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:56:50 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter On 19 Jan 2007, at 19:04, johnnybgoode@lineone.net wrote: > I've relistened to DJRD for the first time in years, and Yes these > are the > most listenable tracks. Whether I will re buy it to burn the hybrid > is another > matter. :) > Jaco is too influential, unlike on SAL. Jericho is the stand out > track because > it is already known from MoA. If she had an adequate amount of > material why > did she rerecord Jericho? Just another thing that points out how differently we all react to this stuff. I'd have taken (or, rather, I do take) the opposite position: that Jaco is restrained and integrated (while still pushing bass in new directions) on DJRD compared to being able to totally cut loose on SAL... Jaco's work was groundbreaking, but the only stuff I personally turn back to, time and time again, is his studio work with Joni. It's the only stuff I hear him do that's unexpected and yet so right. In Jazz (with Weather Report, Brian Melvin, + others) it's all *expected* and, unsurprisingly, delivered. With confessional & mostly acoustic singer/songwriter stuff, it's not. As for why she re-recorded Jericho, I'm gussing it's simple: it wasn't on a studio album yet, the lyrics are sublime, and she liked what Jaco did on it. It doesn't feel dated like the MOA version either, IMHO. Come to think of it, this is *all* IMHO :) Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:07:40 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Hejira dirge You Know Andeemac, I don't think reading the lyrics is going to help. She sings the words so clearly, and I always found that it added to their beauty that she sings them almost as if she was talking them, they come so naturally. If they don't talk to you from the loudspeaker then I think the case is lost. Johnny is just a strange case indeed. Best Bene Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:07:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Herjia a Dirge ??? Its the first time I have heard one of the most wonderfull albums to ever be made and released called a Dirge LOL, Try try try to read the lyrics to the songs on Hejira, I know its difficult these days with crappy Jewel Box's to contend with but try and read the lyrics from the Joni mitchell site while listening to the music,and appreaciate the art form of her lyric writing , particullary this Album. For me the interplay of Jaco and Joni is a wonder to behold on this album. I would go to far as say that Refuge of the Roads is my ultimate perfect song in all its atributes, the imaging of the lyrics is amazing, just read the lyrics, I thought Hejira was a dirge the first time, then it clicked and I have never looked back - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:43:23 +0000 From: johnnybgoode@lineone.net Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Sorry All, I didn't think I was saying anything that controversial. Heijira in general has several nice tunes with memorable words that hit home emotionally. Song for Sharon, Coyote Amelia, and Black Crow for example. They are longish, but not overblown. When I was digitising my Joni collection it was very high on the list after HOSL CAS Blue etc. I have never wanted to get the CD of DJRD and my double vinyl is near mint, as I never want to play it, now matter how good the playing is on it. I probably just don't get it but what would others say was her worst album, DJRD must be up there or thereabouts. Perhaps someone could explain? Even the Beatles produced a relative turkey in Let it Be, and about one third of the White Album is pretty bad. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:06:35 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I'm glad for the "controversy". Let me chime here and say, first of all, this latest bend on all things Hejira is a good thing! There's no right or wrong when it comes to your own personal taste. And that can change, as it did with me and Hejira. The first time I saw Hejira back in 1976.? For whatever reason, I didn't go there...it was so different from what I knew (Ladies, Blue, Court and spark). _____________________________________________________ Stating the obvious - Hejira *is* sooo very different from anything that came before it but I actually warmed up to that album immediately. I loved it the first time I played it and still love it today. I do think it is among her best work. However, for whatever reason, I have never been able to warm up to DJRD. I have tried to listen to it with an open mind but I just don't appreciate it the way I appreciate everything that preceded it. But I still hold out hope that one day I will "get it" - after all....Songs to aging children come and aging children, I certainly am one : - ) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Penny Lane (Beatles) Electric Avenue (Eddie Grant) Piedmont, Juniper (Matthew Kahler) Thunder Road (Springsteen) Shakedown Street (Grateful Dead) Bourbon Street( Grateful Dead, Sting) Highway 41 (Allman Brothers) Route 66 (Bobby Troup) Mean Street (Van Halen) Ventura Highway (America) 4th Street (Dylan) Montague Street (Dylan) Victor NP: Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister (my favorite work from them by far) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:29:05 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter From: > I probably just don't get it but what would others say was her worst > album, > DJRD must be up there or thereabouts. > > Perhaps someone could explain? > > Even the Beatles produced a relative turkey in Let it Be, and about one > third > of the White Album is pretty bad. Musical taste is a funny thing. I love avocados, you think they taste funny.... I'd be overjoyed to create a turkey like Let It Be.....and disagree about the White Album, too...the whole thing is great (although George Harrison said it would have made a great single album, but what does he know?) As to DJRD, I think it would be my desert island pick- I just find it very deep and beautiful. Not something you would play every day, nothing casual about it, but one of Joni's underappreciated masterpieces, imo. I could nominate a worst Joni album (and have-her later stuff), but someone else will come up and say that's her best work (like Joni herself). RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:28:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 11 / wolfgnags vault hi >>>> going back a little while bob wrote >> And on it you willfind: > snip... >> 12. Kiki Dee - Carey and at wolfgangs vault you will find, possibly, kiki dee doing a cover of talk to me. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=20050073|3844 or maybe not? i found it on the vault radio playlist, but cant seem to get the player to work.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:45:45 -0600 From: Bennett Brier Subject: ISO Boot of Joni Tribute @ Carnegie Hall 2/1/06 Surely someone knows where I can find this! If so, thanx in advance and please email me @ bbrier@austin.rr.com. BB http://www.musicforyouth.org/joni/ and here: http://www.musicforyouth.org/news.html#joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 11 / wolfgnags vault I got the player to work, and it was not Joni's "Talk To Me". I wasn't surprised - the only souls brave enough to tackle that one have been Ian Shaw, who puts a little different spin on it, and me stumbling through it at Jonifest - luckily I had guitar goddess Marian backing me up, that alone gave me the confidence to try it. It is a damn hard song to sing - the "Romeo Romeo" line is almost impossible to get in synch with. Joni makes it seem so easy. Thanks for the heads up just the same, Ron - much appreciated. Bob NP: Radiohead, "Optimistic" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:19:07 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: Street names in Joni songs Old Beale Street or just Beale Street, I don't know...> To: joni@smoe.org> From: waytoblue@comcast.net> Subject: Street names in Joni songs> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:41:55 -0500> > I was thinking about the song Cotton Avenue and then started > wondering what different street names are mentioned in Joni Mitchell > songs:> > Cotton Avenue> Bleeker Street> Sistowbell Lane> > > there are surely others...> > > Then I started thinking of street names in music in general. Off the > top of my head...> > Cotton Avenue (Joni Mitchell)> Bleeker Street (Joni Mitchell)> Sistowbell Lane (Joni Mitchell)> 22 Acacia Avenue (Iron Maiden)> 5th and Hennepin (Tom Waits)> Baker Street (Gerry Rafferty)> Main Street (Bob Seger)> Broadway (Genesis, etc..)> Penny Lane (Beatles)> Electric Avenue (Eddie Grant)> Piedmont, Juniper (Matthew Kahler)> Thunder Road (Springsteen)> Shakedown Street (Grateful Dead)> Bourbon Street( Grateful Dead, Sting)> Highway 41 (Allman Brothers)> Route 66 (Bobby Troup)> Mean Street (Van Halen)> Ventura Highway (America)> 4th Street (Dylan)> Montague Street (Dylan)> > > Victor> > NP: Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister (my favorite > work from them by far) _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le tue informazioni. http://www.live.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:19:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Randy Remote wrote: > I'd be overjoyed to create a turkey like Let It Be.....and disagree about > the White Album, too...the whole thing is great (although George > Harrison said it would have made a great single album, but what > does he know?) I'll say. Since the day it came out it has always been at the top of my all time best albums ever produced! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:26:06 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: njc,sign and height From: "Marianne Rizzo" <<< tell your sign and your height E V E R Y B O D Y? >>> I'm 5'2" tall and am a libra. I was born on Laura Nyro's 7th birthday. I have never met anyone in person who shares or shared my birthday but some other October 18th birthdays are: Mike Ditka Melina Mercouri Klaus Kinski George C Scott Chuck Berry Peter Boyle Lee Harvey Oswald Jean-Claude Van Damme Pam Dawber Wynton Marsalis Warmly, Cassy NP: Bob Dylan (supposedly) - Creep (Radiohead cover) sounds like a bad imitation to me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Street names in Joni songs Old Beale Street is coming down in "Furry Sings The Blues" "In France They Kiss on Main Street" Bob NP: Ben Harper, "Widow Of A Living Man" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:06:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's fans/a little long Hi NJ - I dug through the vaults and found that track: http://download.yousendit.com/2D544FA347699122 I just LOVE Blades' drums on this one, just amazing. Greg Liesz' pedal steel is good too, but not quite as prominent as Brian's work. She didn't do this one in Atlanta when I saw her - maybe that wail note was too much for her. Bob NP: Elton John, "Mona Lisas & Mad Hatters" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:41:46 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: responses to posts, njc Hi Bene and all, I think a lot of the time people are listening to a lot of what others say even if they don't comment so directly. . . we are listening. . . also, there seems to be a good amount of new energy on the list lately. . that is great. . . I am glad you are speaking up (you new ones. .. : -) thanks to all who are posting. . to the new ones and the pillars I wish you well always. lOve Marianne >we had a talk about not getting responses to emails. >It seemed >and felt really happy. Then there was a point when people responded >less to our emails, and most had thought at that point, oh well, these >people are just interested in talking to their own friends. But don't >be fooled! Every time the subject comes up it turns out that all sorts >of people read and appreciate your emails but jsut take too long to >respond. Bene _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo  buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:40:11 -0800 (PST) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Hejira dirge I can't believe you've yanked me out of lurkdom, Bene, but I have to take exception with your statement. It was exactly because of reading the lyrics that I became a Joni Mitchell devotee. Before '77, I mainly knew Joni from am radio -- this means "Help Me", "Free Man In Paris" and "In France They Kiss On Main Street". I liked her voice and her catchy, upbeat pop tunes. I neither owned nor had heard any of her earlier recordings with the exception of the single "Carey". I bought "Hejira" based on the sound of the above songs and the album artwork. Imagine my shock when I put the album on the turntable got "Coyote" instead of "Help Me 2". It's safe to say that, in those first few moments, dirge would have described what I heard. Two bucks wasted! But that glorius album cover beckoned. When you unfolded it and the lyrics spilled across the two leaves it practically shouted "Important Stuff Here". So instead of shutting down the phono, I sat down with the lyrics and read as I listened. By the time I got to side two and the opening chords of "Song For Sharon", I was hooked. Had it not been for the album cover drawing me in to read the lyrics as I listened, I'd never have gotten into her music. The sound was just too foriegn. Of course, "Hejira" is now my all time favorite album. BTW, after "Hejira" I bought "C&S" and "Hissing" then filled in the subsequent recordings as they were released. I didn't purchase anything prior to 1974 until after "Turbulent Indigo". Jumping into Joni in midstream, each new album seemed to be a logical progression (although there were several sharp 90 degree turns) and I love her 80s work. To me, her earlier work, although brilliant, is the foriegn stuff. Go figure. Paul In MD -who still sits down and reads the lyrics as he listens to each new Joni recording and who is especially looking forward to doing that later this year missblux@googlemail.com wrote: You Know Andeemac, I don't think reading the lyrics is going to help. She sings the words so clearly, and I always found that it added to their beauty that she sings them almost as if she was talking them, they come so naturally. If they don't talk to you from the loudspeaker then I think the case is lost. - --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:11:04 -0800 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Re: This weeks concerts at Wolfgangs Vault njc! So .... the Elton John concert from 1970 at the Fillmore West is dazzling! Thank you! Also, (a total sidetrack, but it IS Elton-related, sort of.....). If anyone wants an mp3 of Rufus Wainwright's 'early release' of his Mort Lindsay/Judy Garland version/rendition of "Over The Rainbow", send me an email, or ... let me know that it's OK to post a link to it on here? He 'previewed' it Thursday on a French radio station, doing PR for the reprise of Rufus! Rufus! Rufus!, his tribute to, and recreation of, Judy Garland's 1961 concert, at L'Olympia in Paris (and London's Palladium), all of which are totally sold-out.... ~Richard Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:41:12 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: This weeks concerts at Wolfgangs Vault njc Wow, check it out... _http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/_ (http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/) NP: The Band, Night They Drove... Los Angeles Forum Los Angeles, CA 02/14/1974 rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:16:13 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: how tall is Joni I was stunned by the fact that Joni absolutely towered over Dylan in that Youtube video, where she and Van crashed Dylan 's set. So how tall is Dylan then ? 5' 1 ? Michael in Quebec Kate wrote: I'm just a smidgin under 5'5" and I believe she is a little taller, maybe 5'6" Kate http://xoetc.antville.org _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:21:55 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter... I'm with you on DJRD. It's in my top 3 Joni albums, to be sure. The winds of freedom blow through this record. And how's the Soundheim coming along ? Michael in Quebec (also a Libra, 6' 1) Victor wrote: Funny how everybody has different preferences when it comes to Joni Mitchell. Someone described this album as dreadful recently and I find it to be one of her most beautiful works. Especially Overture/Cotton Avenue and Paprika Plains....I love when Jaco's bass comes in the very beginning of the album. Victor NP: Paprika Plains _________________________________________________________________ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:23:39 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Six Degrees of Joni While I was trying to find out if Olivia Newton-John had ever covered a Joni song, I discovered a tenuous connection. While she never recorded a Joni song, Tom Scott played sax on Olivia's 1985 album, Soul Kiss. It got me thinking of all the connections between people Joni has performed with. Let's play Six Degrees of Joni. Mark in Sydney NP Deeper Than The Night - Olivia Newton-John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RIP - NJC Denny Doherty. Dead at 66. I saw him a few years back in a NY show called Dream a Little Dream and he was wonderful. Jerry NPIMH - California Dreaming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:30:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD isn't close to my last choice. DJRD is Joni's "white album". It's a long set of collaborations with lots of people and there are many textures. Not everyone is going to like "Overture/Cotton Avenue" anymore than everyone likes "Honey Pie". The jazz period is a trip, if it gets through to you. THOSL might have the most cohesive theme but DJRD has to be 2nd. Only Joni would pack an album with jazz players when the dominant theme is native Americans / lost innocence. She's Paul McCartney, Chuck Berry, Geo. Martin, Annie Ross, and Sting rolled into one. Joni's "The One, True Center" (r). Amen, Jim L. johnnybgoode@lineone.net said, in part, >When I was digitising my Joni collection it was very high on the list after HOSL CAS Blue etc. I have never wanted to get the CD of DJRD and my double vinyl is near mint, as I never want to play it, now matter how good the playing is on it. I probably just don't get it but what would others say was her worst album, DJRD must be up there or thereabouts.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:43:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >I don't own Chalkmark, though I've heard it and don't feel called to go out and get it. But I know other people really like it (hi Kate).< whoa, what a good memory you have jenny! That is scary... yes chalkmark i loved because for me, it was a return to that hypnotic rhythmic joni that I'd been missing for years... then came nrh! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:43:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: WOHAM >And I think I understand now why she went away from the more melodic style after C&S.< why do you think she did that em? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:43:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter So jbg, what is your #1 perfect album? >Sorry All, I didn't think I was saying anything that controversial. Heijira in general has several nice tunes with memorable words that hit home emotionally. Song for Sharon, Coyote Amelia, and Black Crow for example. They are longish, but not overblown. When I was digitising my Joni collection it was very high on the list after HOSL CAS Blue etc. I have never wanted to get the CD of DJRD and my double vinyl is near mint, as I never want to play it, now matter how good the playing is on it. I probably just don't get it but what would others say was her worst album, DJRD must be up there or thereabouts. Perhaps someone could explain? Even the Beatles produced a relative turkey in Let it Be, and about one third of the White Album is pretty bad.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: Six Degrees of Joni i love this game and i cant tell you who it is but i've got one degree of separation with joni. he's a musician who was very close to her. mags, sworn to secrecy ;-)) Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: While I was trying to find out if Olivia Newton-John had ever covered a Joni song, I discovered a tenuous connection. While she never recorded a Joni song, Tom Scott played sax on Olivia's 1985 album, Soul Kiss. It got me thinking of all the connections between people Joni has performed with. Let's play Six Degrees of Joni. Mark in Sydney NP Deeper Than The Night - Olivia Newton-John ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:42:06 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Six Degrees of Joni Awww! No fair. Just kidding. I respect people's privacy. Including Joni's. If I knew Joni and she asked me not to tell anyone on this list, I would respect that. I told the story last year of how I met a lovely old Canadian couple visiting Sydney on the light rail. I'm always very friendly with tourists and when the conversation allowed me to divulge my interest in Joni's music, they gave each other the strangest look. Thinking I had creeped them out or something, I asked what the problem was. The woman reluctantly told me she was a close friend of Joni's and that she had just attended her birthday party but I was not to tell anyone. I thought she was going to have a heart attack when I told her I was a member of the discussion list. There was sheer panic in her eyes. I promised I wouldn't tell and since I haven't mentioned their names, I believe I have kept my promise. They were more panicked than I was excited. I was more interested in them anyway. Mark in Sydney NP Ring of Fire - Olivia Newton-John On 20/01/2007, at 6:19 PM, mags h wrote: > i love this game and i cant tell you who it is but i've got one degree > of separation with joni. he's a musician who was very close to her. > > mags, sworn to secrecy ;-)) > > Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: >> While I was trying to find out if Olivia Newton-John had ever covered >> a >> Joni song, I discovered a tenuous connection. While she never recorded >> a Joni song, Tom Scott played sax on Olivia's 1985 album, Soul Kiss. >> >> It got me thinking of all the connections between people Joni has >> performed with. Let's play Six Degrees of Joni. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> >> NP Deeper Than The Night - Olivia Newton-John > > > > ***** > ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ > > ***** > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! 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