From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 001 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Diana Krall now with RLJ and general comments about attending concerts [Bob Muller ] Vienna teng NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] Vienna teng NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] RE: world affairs, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Vienna teng NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: Vienna teng NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: twilight zone (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Vienna Teng(sjc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: world affairs (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: twilight zone (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] RE: twilight zone (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni & the radio [Bob Muller ] Re: world affairs, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: world affairs (njc) ["Randy Remote" ] NJC Cure for Terrorism [Bob Muller ] Re: : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) [merk54@ao] stairways to heaven - njc but almost rlj content ["patrick leader" ] Re: Joni Autobiography [Snapple1984@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Diana Krall now with RLJ and general comments about attending concerts I sure haven't had the same experience - - when I saw her in Atlanta in '98 she was upset that people kept getting up and down from their seats, and she even had to verbally smackdown a heckler who was there for Dylan and not Joni. (She even gave us a bonus song just to piss him off - go Joni!) She interacted with the audience a lot on that tour, and though her setlists had some similarities, there were always some differences from night to night so that it was not coming off as being choreographed. When I saw her at Chastain in 2000 (when she was singing with a full orchestra), some dumbass hollered out a request, to which Joni just laughed, looked over her shoulder, and asked the orchestra if they were ready to improvise. In most every live show I have, there's some original audience interaction - some good, some bad. She tunes in to her audience and definitely expects her audience to be tuned in to her show and not gabbing to each other, making beer runs, talking on the phone, etc. More power to her. I don't expect that she will tour, but if she should I sincerely hope she does herself the favor of avoiding stadiums and schedules smaller more intimate and better acoustically-designed venues. It would be a better experience for everyone. Bob NP: Loggins & Messina, "Be Free" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:31:56 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: world affairs, njc On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > > I can't help it, I'm a religious studies major. although I admit I > only > scratched the surface of it all. for me it showed me how humanity > is so much > more similar than different. as humans we are all to quick to > divide & draw > the lines into us & them. us are good, them are bad. its such an > outdated > paradigm imo Well said....I would agree with you there. Rod Serling, of the Twilight Zone, had some great episodes about how people are all the same wherever you go. I think I would have been a religious studies/ philosophy major if I had it do do over again. Victor NP: Miles Davis Tribute to Jack Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:48:37 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: Vienna teng NJC I quite like all of Vienna Teng's albums, she's an excellent pianist and has vocal chops galore. beautiful range. Imogen Heap...i'm lukewarm on. Her album is pretty good, but not blow-you-away good. Anyone heard Edie Carey? It's remarkable. FYI: there are 2.1 billion christians in the world, and 1.3 billion muslims...a VERY small per cent of muslims are strapping bombs to themselves or others and committing terrorist acts. But it sure makes for good news when they do. Killing in the name of god is wrong, no matter what your religion is, and yet they almost all do it. Mormons won't be happy until everyone in the world is mormon. Hey, they even baptize dead people! Talk about persistent! ;-P Have a mormon knocking at my door every five minutes vs. being shot in the head because i won't convert...go ahead a shoot me. lol. Besides, you should never trust an entire culture that doesn't eat bacon. Sorry ash! ;-) aw jesus, i'm just kidding. Alison E. in SLC - --- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Vienna Teng(sjc) Has anybody checked her out? Her most recent album "Dreaming Through the Noise" was produced by Larry Klein. I just ordered it from Amazon along with Anjani, Corrine Bailey Rae( I agree Fred, she's a breath of fresh air!), and Imogen Heap. Victor NP: Thunderstorms and rainfall (not a song, actual rain, outside...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:48:37 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: Vienna teng NJC I quite like all of Vienna Teng's albums, she's an excellent pianist and has vocal chops galore. beautiful range. Imogen Heap...i'm lukewarm on. Her album is pretty good, but not blow-you-away good. Anyone heard Edie Carey? It's remarkable. FYI: there are 2.1 billion christians in the world, and 1.3 billion muslims...a VERY small per cent of muslims are strapping bombs to themselves or others and committing terrorist acts. But it sure makes for good news when they do. Killing in the name of god is wrong, no matter what your religion is, and yet they almost all do it. Mormons won't be happy until everyone in the world is mormon. Hey, they even baptize dead people! Talk about persistent! ;-P Have a mormon knocking at my door every five minutes vs. being shot in the head because i won't convert...go ahead a shoot me. lol. Besides, you should never trust an entire culture that doesn't eat bacon. Sorry ash! ;-) aw jesus, i'm just kidding. Alison E. in SLC - --- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Vienna Teng(sjc) Has anybody checked her out? Her most recent album "Dreaming Through the Noise" was produced by Larry Klein. I just ordered it from Amazon along with Anjani, Corrine Bailey Rae( I agree Fred, she's a breath of fresh air!), and Imogen Heap. Victor NP: Thunderstorms and rainfall (not a song, actual rain, outside...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:53:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: world affairs, njc Those were great shows, I'll look out for those you mention... I often dream of going back & taking more RS classes.. UCSB has a zillion- some were incredible, some not so much...still, you could spend your lifetime in school there! >Rod Serling, of the Twilight Zone, had some great episodes about how people are all the same wherever you go. I think I would have been a religious studies/ philosophy major if I had it do do over again. Victor< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:04:23 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Vienna teng NJC On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Alison J Einerson wrote: > . Mormons > won't be happy until everyone in the world is mormon. Hey, they even > baptize dead people! Talk about persistent! I once dated a Mormon girl. The major obstacle was not that she was Mormon but that she was clinically depressed...maybe those two had something to do with each other...lol She was a college student and not a serious practitioner although she did take me to a Mormon church service once and it was a bit creepy to be perfectly honest. The guy who was arrested recently, Jeffries, is very creepy looking. I've heard of the book by the Krakauer about the more extreme Mormon sects...I think it would make for some interesting reading. I enjoyed his other books (Into Thin Air, Into the Wild.) My voice teacher at Georgia State is Mormon though he is super cool and used to play in an Iron Maiden cover band (vocals and lead guitar)...go figure. Nice to hear from you Allison. You don't send me flowers anymore. Victor NP: more rain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:04:23 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Vienna teng NJC On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Alison J Einerson wrote: > . Mormons > won't be happy until everyone in the world is mormon. Hey, they even > baptize dead people! Talk about persistent! I once dated a Mormon girl. The major obstacle was not that she was Mormon but that she was clinically depressed...maybe those two had something to do with each other...lol She was a college student and not a serious practitioner although she did take me to a Mormon church service once and it was a bit creepy to be perfectly honest. The guy who was arrested recently, Jeffries, is very creepy looking. I've heard of the book by the Krakauer about the more extreme Mormon sects...I think it would make for some interesting reading. I enjoyed his other books (Into Thin Air, Into the Wild.) My voice teacher at Georgia State is Mormon though he is super cool and used to play in an Iron Maiden cover band (vocals and lead guitar)...go figure. Nice to hear from you Allison. You don't send me flowers anymore. Victor NP: more rain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:10:04 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: twilight zone (njc) On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Those were great shows, I'll look out for those you mention This episode in particular was the one I was thinking of. If I was to invest in a DVD collection of a classic show from the past, The Twilight Zone would be it. Victor People Are Alike All Over is an episode of the American television anthology series The Twilight Zone. Episode number: 25 Season: 1 Original air date: March 25, 1960 Writer: Rod Serling (story by Paul W. Fairman) Director: Mitchell Leisen Producer: Buck Houghton Director of photography: George T. Clemens Music: none credited ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:28:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Vienna Teng(sjc) >Has anybody checked her out? Her most recent album "Dreaming Through the Noise" was produced by Larry Klein. < I have her first one (or was it second- from a few years ago) which I really liked... I think it was debra in nyc who first mentioned her here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:38:07 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: world affairs (njc) On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > >> NP: Miles Davis Tribute to Jack Johnson > ??? I thought Miles died while Johnson was still in diapers Jack Johnson, the boxer, a black man (as he says at the end of the recording) Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: twilight zone (njc) Okay I can't resist coming out of lurkdom to say what a huge Twilight Zone fan I am. Every New Years weekend for at least 3 years now they play them back to back to back on the sci-fi channel. And for the record I am not a sci-fi geek! Rod Serling was a genius and saw things in the world many do not or did not. There are so many reasons on so many levels that make these stories so thought provoking and captivating - and scary. And not scary in the Halloween kind of ways - but in the futuristic - where the hell is this world headed ways. Hellooo all my Joni friends and all the newbies too! Happy Joni NewYear to all! Peace, Susan NPIMTZH ..."I'm talking Tina and I don't like yooooooooouuuu!" Victor Johnson wrote: On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Those were great shows, I'll look out for those you mention This episode in particular was the one I was thinking of. If I was to invest in a DVD collection of a classic show from the past, The Twilight Zone would be it. Victor People Are Alike All Over is an episode of the American television anthology series The Twilight Zone. Episode number: 25 Season: 1 Original air date: March 25, 1960 Writer: Rod Serling (story by Paul W. Fairman) Director: Mitchell Leisen Producer: Buck Houghton Director of photography: George T. Clemens Music: none credited Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:57:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: twilight zone (njc) Yay it worked victor! We got suze to come out of lurkdom! Thanks for the episode info. even though I watched as a kid I bet I missed many of them & have forgotten most anyway. >Okay I can't resist coming out of lurkdom to say what a huge Twilight Zone fan I am. Every New Years weekend for at least 3 years now they play them back to back to back on the sci-fi channel. And for the record I am not a sci-fi geek! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni & the radio When it comes to hearing Joni on commercial radio, fugeddaboutit. She didn't get a lot of airplay back in the day (and only had 1 song to crack the top ten)I've heard her several times on XM radio, Deep Tracks plays her with some frequency and The Loft does too. The other night we were piling into my wife's car to go eat, and "Song For Sharon" was playing. Wait...take that back, it was "Furry Sings The Blues". Then when we were leaving the restaurant they were playing the Miles of Aisles version of BSN! I was laughing my ass off. "All Joni - all the time!" The best way to hear Joni with regularity is to force the issue and play her yourself. Bob NP: Ani, "Brief Bus Stop" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:36:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: world affairs, njc Rr >"Wars of religion" were invariably fought with a view to securing control over trading routes and natural resources."< it makes practical sense... it is so much easier to get the bodies you need to sacrifice themselves for your cause if you couch it in religious fervor... religion, when a personal & private one between human & whatever they believe, can be a very good thing, but far too often it is an extension of someone's personal ego to feel safe or powerful or connected or whatever... too often humans make god in their own image ... this war is personal to me because I have seen what can happen when a child is raised by parents who are good people, however, for whatever reason they have come to embrace right wing politics as part of their evangelistic christianity & have absolutely no understanding of cultures outside of their conservative small town life... when the child grows up he joins the jihad, oops I mean justified war, to fight against the evil doers he knows absolutely nothing about... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:29:18 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: world affairs (njc) From: "Victor Johnson" > Speaking of Islamic terrorism, I just read an article about Islamic > militants currently in Somalia. Somalian and Ethiopian troops are > fighting these Islamic militants who would seek to control and rule > Somalia by the Quran. Al Queda has urged the militants to attack the > Ethopian forces, Ethiopia being a largely Christian nation. US Navy > ships are helping to prevent their escape. > > This is exactly what I have been talking about. "According to documents obtained by The Times, nearly two-thirds of Somalia was allocated to the American oil giants Conoco, Amoco [now part of BP], Chevron and Phillips in the final years before Somalia's pro-U.S. President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown and the nation plunged into chaos in January, 1991. Industry sources said the companies holding the rights to the most promising concessions are hoping that the Bush Administration's decision to send U.S. troops to safeguard aid shipments to Somalia will also help protect their multimillion-dollar investments there." (America's Interests in Somalia, Global Research, 2002) This is exactly what I have been talking about. Oil wars again disguised as religious wars. I asked why these evil Muslims were not attacking Mexico or Switzerland. You answered by citing attacks on Britian, our imperialist ally, with another long history of intervention in the middle east. Doesn't answer my question. This is my last word, for now, on the subject. Peace, RR > NP: Miles Davis Tribute to Jack Johnson ??? I thought Miles died while Johnson was still in diapers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Cure for Terrorism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgyynyzQ308 If all these religious nutjobs would just jump rope for Jesus, they'd be too worn out to be terrorists. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "How Many More Times" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:31:53 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) I could talk for hours about seeing RLJ in concert. Besides Joni, she is the only other performer to bring tears to my eyes during a performance. In RLJ's case, it was while performing Company at Poplar Creek (near Chicago). By the time she sang "But when I reach across the galaxy, I will miss your company" I was sobbing out loud. What a night that was. Later in the evening, Rickie even pulled me out of the audience to dance with me. Pretty magical stuff. It's funny that you would mention "Something Cool", because her singing that song at Pick-Staiger Hall in Chicago is probably my all time favorite concert moment of all time. (Okay - maybe seeing Joni at Red Rocks would be my ultimate concert moment - but this was pretty freakin' special). It was her final encore of the night, and she was singing "Something Cool" a cappella and about half way through the song, she botched the lyrics, dropped an f-bomb and stopped the song. She apologized and started the song over from the beginning, only this time she completely reinterpreted the song, adding a level of emotion to it that was indescribable. The interpretations were so different, that the person I was with thought they were two different songs. In the hundreds of concerts I've been to in my life, I have never seen anything like it. I could barely move by the time it was over. It's also interesting that the start of this thread dealt with having mostly true fans in the audience as I just attended a RLJ show that seemed to have very few fans in the audience. It was for a Sound Stage taping with Rickie a couple of weeks ago - it should air sometime in late February on your favorite PBS station. It was definitely the weirdest RLJ show I've ever been to (and I've seen some weird ones!). First off, well over half the people in the audience knew little or nothing about Rickie. They were just there because the tickets were free. The audience was nice and polite but for the most part you could tell they weren't really into it. So that was kind of a bummer - it definitely would have been better if the crowd consisted of more real fans. Rickie also seemed a little nervous at first - maybe cause of all the cameras, or maybe because she was doing so much new material, or was dealing with a new band. In any case, she gained momentum as the night went on. The new material had some interesting moments, but I'm not sure how well it's going to be received. More of a rock edge, and all based on Jesus. I'm not sure I totally understand the concept - I think the songs are based on things Jesus might have said or might be thinking or doing today (like there's one where he's driving around heaven in Elvis' Cadillac). Definitely not stuff right out of the Bible. There was a beautiful song about praying that managed to bash tele-evangelists (kind of a pretty version of Tax Free). Rickie had the oddest outfit on - not at all flattering. Entirely different, but it reminded of Joni during her Orchestra concerts and those weird gowns she wore then. Probably my favorite moment from the evening was when Rickie was singing Living It Up by herself at the piano (she opened the show by doing 5 songs along at the piano - very nice). Anyway, there was a camera person about 1 foot ot two from her, and when she the lyric about "c*nt-fingered Louie", I thought the camera man was going to fall off th! e stage. The look on his face was priceless! The whole Sound Stage taping thing was interesting - she did a couple of songs twice to get different takes of them - but it did not have the same feel of a typical RLJ concert. I'll be seeing her again up in Milwaukee in the near future and hopefully that will feel more like a typical show. By the way, her new band was very young, and had some kinks to work out, but they showed some promise. Like Joni, she is a unique artist who definitely follows her own muse and pursues her art more for her own satisfaction with little or no concern about commercial success. Okay - I'll stop babbling now. Sorry - Rickie just brings that out in me. Did I tell you about the time I saw her from the second row, and she was bombed on Jack Daniels and not wearing any panties? Hmmm - I better save that for another time. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: josephpalis@yahoo.fr To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 3:06 PM Subject: RE : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) Good thing for you, Stewart, because you have been to a Joni performance while I am just deaming through the noise (apologies to Vienna Teng) about it. That's an interesting comment about Joni and her interaction with her audience. I can't recall who said this but someone in the List a few years ago said that s/he watched a Joni performance where there was a heckler and Joni was pissed by that disturbance and said something to this effect "If you don't want to be here, then get the f*** out." Then she launched in a rather aggressive version of "Sex Kills". Anyone among you said this? Care to repeat that story again? As for RLJ, the feeling I felt seeing her that night in Jnauary last year was just too ineffably affecting -- words can't quite convey it. But when she launched in that one of a kind performance of "Something Cool" that she sang in her "Girl at Her Volcano" album, she brought tears and chills in this adoring fan's eyes and skin. Especially since she forgot the lyrics and was moving in that ragged, almost theatrical way as though wanting to express her pain and humiliation but cannot. Some hairs fell out when she was aggressively gesticulating while singing. She mixed the song's lyrics but atthat time no one cared as we were all moved by that performance and it was deathly still. When she finsihed the song, no one applauded for a long time. Then ovation and I saw some of the most beautiful sights -- grown men and women openly wiping tears away. And I remembered thinking how similar this is to watching a Greek play where the actor's tragedy almost creates an exquisite feeling of catharsis. And although some artists gave me chills while wathing them perform (Marcel Marceau, M. Ward, Nora Aunor), nothing quite comes close to that RLJ moment last year. Joseph np: Jeanne Trevor - Early in the Morning Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com a icrit : _______________________________________________________________________________________________ This is an interesting post because I had the same experience when I saw Ricki Lee Jones in Boston at Night Stage in Cambridge many years ago. Night Stage (now closed) was like a little restaurant / club with tables and chairs seating maybe a few hundred people Max. Anyway - RLJ came out with just her guitar and piano and talked back and forth to the audience for 2 1/2 hours performing an incredible, intimate and unforgettable show. I will never forget that concert as I am a huge fan of hers. I also have had the good fortune of seeing Joni 4 times since the early 70's (1st time was the Court & Spark tour) at the Music Hall in Boston (also now closed). My experience has been that Joni seems distant and rather choreographed in her shows. While I feel very fortunate to have seen her and admire her music and ability so much, I don't know if there is ever much dialogue between Joni and her fans during her performances, Perhaps when she first started out and played small clubs there was but I would be very interested in other people's experiences. Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:38:44 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: stairways to heaven - njc but almost rlj content i fricking love youtube. this is genius, an old sctv skit about a fake ktel album, 30 versions of 'stairway to heaven'. the rickie lee jones version is particularly brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34KuKLXygvg patrick np - stairways to heaven ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: arundhati roy NJC I was just wondering if anyone had the time or interest to read the piece i sent yesterday about Arundhati Roy and her talk about all the Septembers, come and gone. Touching upon many of the topics here on the list of late. I know it is difficult for some of us to endure these dark days of political times, however, when the bearable lightness of being, via the voice of someone like Arundhati moves me, Im hoping that someone else besides Randy Remote might do me the favour of responding.... thanks mags ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:02:00 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Autobiography Hey Monika, I am currently reading the Mark Bego Joni book. It's OK, probably worth the read, but I haven't finished it yet so I probably shouldn't comment. He's written a ton of books, including one on Linda Ronstadt, Bette Midler, Liza Minelli. He seems to like diva types. I read David Hajdu's "Positively Fourth Street" on the life and times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and Richard and Mimi Farina. I found that to be a bit soap opera-ish and it really played up jealousies and contentions that I've heard in interviews weren't true, so I never really know what to believe in biographies. - -Kira ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #1 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------