From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #486 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 21 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 486 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rolling Thunder again... [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: NJC youtube guitarist njc [Em ] Great WaPo article about Joni & River [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC youtube guitarist njc [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: Fwd: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God [missblux@goog] Re: inconvenience, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: question, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni word for the week [LCStanley7@aol.com] njc, Mary Cheney's baby's father ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: NJC, just me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God [Bob.Mu] Fwd: NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God [missblux] RE: NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God [waytobl] Re: NJC Disney kicks Santa out [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: youtube guitarist njc ["ron" ] Re: youtube guitarist njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Disney kicks Santa out [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: NJC, just me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God [Bob.Mu] Re: Fwd: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Fwd: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] Tribute Disc Sees Light of Day! ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Table Games - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Tribute Disc Sees Light of Day! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:51:33 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder again... Thank you so much for that, Cassy and thank you for the compliment. It almost makes me want to believe in Christmas. (Just kidding). I usually spend this time of year hibernating alone but this year, I will be with my family (or what's left of it) - Eek! Wish me luck, it will be nerve-wracking. Merry Christmas to all those who celebrate it. Mark Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC youtube guitarist njc "spankage", perhaps? :P Em - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > where he just slaps > the strings with the left hand - does anyone know what it's called? > I've never seen it before. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:33:52 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Great WaPo article about Joni & River http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/20/AR2006122001843.html (And I'm betting that they used my Undercover page to know that River has been reocrded over 100 times). Bob NP: Twisted Sister, "O Come All Ye Faithful" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bene On 12/21/06, Em wrote: > "spankage", perhaps? > :P > Em > > > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > where he just slaps > > the strings with the left hand - does anyone know what it's called? > > I've never seen it before. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:30:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Fwd: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC But this is really side-stepping the issue. Anyone who drives on an Interstate quickly realizes that the issue is not that there's not enough room on Earth for all the bodies, but rather the resources required by the increasing population and the environmental and economic impact caused by same. The Jacksonville bit may be a fun piece of trivia but that's about it. The fact is that every 40 years the world's population pretty much doubles. At some point it will reach a breaking point, unless famine and disease do the work of 'thinning the herd' and indeed that is what is happening in some parts of the world. Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "The Blossoms" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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So I threw the card in the bin, flicked through the trivia game questions, left the game in the common room in case someone else wants to take it, and made myself a cup of herbal tea. And now I sit here wondering how I am going to explain to this person that she DOES NOT have to bring me prezzies and send me little cards to make me like her. It drives me nuts and makes me feel really mean. Particularly because it comes from someone who doesn't know that: a) I find bought Christmas cards ugly and a ridiculous trade on sentimantality b) in my family and among my friends, presents are things you buy for each other whenever you feel like it, and not necessarily at Christmas c) I HATE little crap useless gadgets like that c) I HATE trivia games d) I don't give a damn about knowing who hosted the first Brit Pop Awards in 1977 anyway I'm not trying to say everyone else has to think the same as me, but that I find it bizarre that someone who knows me so little thinks she needs to bring me presents. It makes me feel like I am part of some little game of hers called 'I've got Friends', and has nothing to do whatsoever with us actually connecting in any way. This person is both nice and gifted and funny and intelligent and insightful. If she would leave it at that, she would have many friends I am sure. But no, she has to go and be SUPERnice and REALLY helpful and VERY concerned about you. Giving is a nice thing, but sometimes it feels more like taking. Remember that all you santa-sentimentalists out there! Oh, and speaking of Santa Claus - now that I am a bit annoyed anyway. I am so tired of hearing that Coca Cola invented Santa Claus. And I find the TV commercials from that company so disgusting, as if Coca Cola were some kind of religion, and Santa Claus its prophet. Saint Nikolaus was a bishop who lived in Myra in the fourth century. There are lots of images of him with a beard and wearing red and white. In Scandinavia, we have, in addition, the little nissemen, or Christmas gnomes. They have always worn red and white, basically they look like miniature Santas; and they have been around since the middle ages. They don't drink coke, once a year they are served a bowl of Christmas porridge, that's it! Uhm, this was a long one.... Happy holidays to all! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:17:59 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: inconvenience, njc A well meaning person wrote: > take care > of what was loaned to us.. > Hi Wishing Well, What was loaned to us? What debt do we pay for this loan? Or could it be it is not separate from us but part of what we are? Maybe we are stardust and to stardust we shall return... Love, Petrified Person ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:30:28 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: question, njc A wonder woman worrier wrote: > I do wonder and worry about what the face of America will look like in > thirty years. > Hi WWW, Are you saying we might need a face lift in 30 years? I would imagine we might need heart surgery before then if we don't make love not war. But yes, Christmas lights and happiness... "bless us, don't let us lose the drift." Love, MMM NPIMH: Face Lift I went so numb on Christmas day I couldn't feel my hands or feet I shouldn't have come She made me pay For gleaming with Donald down her street She put blame on him And shame on me She made it all seem so tawdry and cheap "Oh, let's be nice, Mama, open up your gifts You know, happiness is the best facelift" I mean, after all, she introduced us Oh, but she regrets that now Shacked up downtown Making love without a license Same old sacred cow She said, "Did you come home to disgrace us?" I said, "Why is this joy not allowed? For God's sake, I'm middle-aged, Mama And time moves swift And you know happiness is the best facelift" Oh, love takes so much courage Love takes so much shit He said "You've seen too many movies, Joni" She said "Snap out of it!" Oh, the cold winds blew at our room with a view All helpful and hopeful and candlelit We kissed the angels and the moon eclipsed You know, Happiness is the best facelift We pushed the bed up to the window To see the Christmas lights On the east bank across the steaming river Between the bridges lit up Paris-like This river has run through both our lives Between these banks of our continuing delights Bless us, don't let us lose the drift You know, Happiness is the best facelift. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:30:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Joni word for the week Tawdry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:37:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Mary Cheney's baby's father Bon matin, Jonimonde! This opinion/humor piece gave me some chuckles. It is none of our business, of course, who the father is, but in the spirit of "let your hearts be light", I share the following. There's a little something for everyone: David Crosby for us all, Rick Santorum for Deb M., Creeperman for me, and even a hockey player for David Lahm. Love, Patti P. Voila: RAUCOUS People, Politics, Punditry December 20, 2006 Jim Shea Hartford Courant CHENEY CONCEPTION A MYSTERY So who is, or isn't, the father of Mary Cheney's baby? To recap, it was confirmed earlier this month that Mary Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter, is expecting a child with her longtime partner, Heather Poe. Yes, we are happy for the couple. And, yes, we are happy for the irony. As for the donor? The usual suspect, of course, is David Crosby, because he is experienced and seems to enjoy the work. But, practically speaking, how long before balding kids with bushy mustaches become a two-mommies household clichi. So, we'll rule him out. Another prime-time player might be Bill Clinton, but he would probably only be interested if the actual impregnation followed a more traditional route - and included pizza. Now, some people have suggested Alan Greenspan, but I doubt his involvement because the process calls for a moment or two of irrational exuberance, something to which he is on record as being opposed. Karl Rove is a definite no for oh so many reasons, chief among them being the eweee factor. Rick Santorum is eliminated on the basis of his man-on-dog views, which are so bizarre as to warrant an ASPCA investigation. Rush Limbaugh would be a huge mistake because who could stand all his bellowing about "excellence in procreation." Former Virginia Sen. George Allen is a major nah because Macaca Cheney-Poe just doesn't have a ring to it. Bill O'Reilly is out because there would have been too many icky phone calls involved. Mark Foley is a no go because Mary, Heather and he are not on the same - page. And as for Joe Lieberman, noooooo waaaaaaay, kids whine enough without a genetic predisposition. Now, Donald Rumsfeld is an interesting option. He's a Princeton guy, old family friend, was probably lucid earlier in life. But can you imagine going over the proposition with him: "OK, I know what I know. And you know what you know. But I don't know what you don't know. And you don't know what you don't know. So how am I supposed to know? You know?" Keith Olbermann is also a possibility. He's smart and funny, is currently holding up MSNBC for a lot of money, and has that lesbian razor cut look to him. If I had to bet, however, my money would be on Wayne Gretzky. Mary and Heather met playing ice hockey in Colorado, so there is a kind of cosmic connection. Plus, as far as fathers go, it's pretty hard to top a guy who's known as "The Great One." ******** _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:47:21 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni word for the week Good word! From, of course, "Facelift". From tawdry lace, lace necktie, alteration of Saint Audrey's lace (sold at the annual Saint Audrey'' fair, Ely, England), after Saint Audrey (Saint Etheldreda), queen of Northumbria, who died in 679 of a throat tumor, supposedly because she delighted in fancy necklaces as a young woman. Hey, I learned a new thing. Can I go home now? Bob, who unlike Bene adores trivia - then again I adore Bene too! 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:07:13 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God You don't like trivia..Bene?! At our family Christmas we write a trivia question and throughout the night people will write down their answer... whoever answers correctly gets a present. Back in October a niece by marriage............... told me she had the best trivia question ever to ask this year. Little factoids that keep the mind cranking. Maybe because your brain is so taxed now because you are working on getting your PHD? You don't want any overload. I have been sitting here thinking about what you wrote about the prezzies thing.....some people truly just like to give..it makes a person feel good. Sort of like a high. And the mere fact she took the time to wrap up something for you...the fact that she even THOUGHT of you...actually ..is a beautiful thing. But then.... when you feel you are unworthy of any gifts...NOT saying this is how you are feeling personally...it makes it hard to receive. Now a question for you: Who invented the eight track player? ;-) Hint: I hope your holidays go flying by fabulously. Bree >So I threw the card in the bin, flicked through the trivia game >questions, left the game in the common room in case someone else wants >to take it, and made myself a cup of herbal tea. And now I sit here >wondering how I am going to explain to this person that she DOES NOT >have to bring me prezzies and send me little cards to make me like >her. It drives me nuts and makes me feel really mean. Particularly >because it comes from someone who doesn't know that: > >a) I find bought Christmas cards ugly and a ridiculous trade on >sentimantality >b) in my family and among my friends, presents are things you buy for >each other whenever you feel like it, and not necessarily at Christmas >c) I HATE little crap useless gadgets like that >c) I HATE trivia games >d) I don't give a damn about knowing who hosted the first Brit Pop >Awards in 1977 anyway > >I'm not trying to say everyone else has to think the same as me, but >that I find it bizarre that someone who knows me so little thinks she >needs to bring me presents. It makes me feel like I am part of some >little game of hers called 'I've got Friends', and has nothing to do >whatsoever with us actually connecting in any way. This person is both >nice and gifted and funny and intelligent and insightful. If she would >leave it at that, she would have many friends I am sure. But no, she >has to go and be SUPERnice and REALLY helpful and VERY concerned about >you. > >Uhm, this was a long one.... > >Happy holidays to all! > >Bene _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:25:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Crosby and Nash Hark the herald angels sing! Let those rock and roll choir boys carry us away. The music section of my daily paper today announces that David Crosby and Graham Nash will be at the Bushnell Center for the Performing Arts in Hartford on March 27th. (Aside: The Bushnell. I saw the Beach Boys there in 8th grade with eleven friends. My mother the car saint drove us all in the family station wagon, all piled atop one another...no seatbelts or minivans then. "And I'd be kissing in the back seat Thrilling to the Brando-like things that he said And we'd be rolling rolling rock 'n' rolling" on that "night ride home". And we got one of Denny Wilson's drumsticks!) Quick as a flash, I ordered tickets. Row G for Graham! Yay! I'm writing to let you know about this so you can keep your eyes and ears open -- none of their websites showed this and none of the mailing lists I am on notified me of this. I know they will be in Australia and NZ (Hi Mark and Ash and Melissa and Hell and everybody!) in February (and maybe January, too, I forget) with Stills until March 2. The New Year is lookin' good*.....and then along comes Joni! Back to holiday preparations (running behind just like this train), Patti P. *musically, at least P.S. Monafitz in CT, I lost your email address, so I hope you see this. They'll be right in our backyard. _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:16:08 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: NJC, just me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God That's a cool tradition, Bree - I love trivia and eagerly joined in the "Trivial Pursuit" craze when it started up 25 years or so ago. Now we go to Connelly's Irish Pub every Tuesday night for Tuesday Nite Trivia, along with a couple of my wife's schoolteacher pals and another engineer friend of ours. We're named "The Standard Deviants" (since Valerie is a Math Teacher) and we have won lots of prizes and bar tabs. Being smart rocks! And you'll love the fact that every night's questions features a question called "Bush or No Bush"...the host reads a dumb quote and you have to decide if it was Dubya or not. This is one of our toughest categories since the man says so many dumb things and maligns the language so badly. Joni trivia contests were part of Ashara's first Jonifests along with Joni Pictionary. It's all good to me, I grew up playing lots and lots of games - - it was one of the ways our family bonded. It's sorta sad now that so many games are of the 1-player video variety. Last weekend my sister was in town and we INVENTED two new card games. Bob NP: Ian Shaw, "Talk To Me" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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And I can't think of a greater wast of time spent with friends that I usually have interesting conversations with than to sit around and compete about knowing what the name of Jools Hollands first band was. Actually, I like sharade. But the people I have played with were always people I had nothing else in common with, otherwise we wouldn't have played it. With those people I usual sat around waiting for someone to bring up sharade, because I found them quite boring. I know, this is harsh. Old age is getting to me. Back in October a niece > by marriage............... told me she had the best trivia question ever to > ask this year. Little factoids that keep the mind cranking. Maybe > because your brain is so taxed now because you are working on getting your > PHD? You don't want any overload. > Thats true, I have enough on my mind at the moment. Actually, this person has tended to pop her little inquisitive and well-wishing emails at times when I had really serious things on my mind. Because they really feel like cries of help wrapped up in pink cellophane, I have sometimes felt she was putting pressure on me. I'd rather have a decent cry for help than some 'let's pretend we are friends' thing. I don't want to be a puppet in other people's fairy tale worlds. I guess a desparate person is always egotistic and therefore does not notice the little signs that other people give to them to stay away. Like when you are loosing a lover. That's probably the problem here... > I have been sitting here thinking about what you wrote about the prezzies > thing.....some people truly just like to give..it makes a person feel good. > Sort of like a high. And the mere fact she took the time to wrap up > something for you...the fact that she even THOUGHT of you...actually ..is a > beautiful thing. I see the point but I don't think it's always beautiful, and I think she thought more of herself than of me to be honest. It's beautiful if you give a gift and you want to see the person happy and share their joy, but if all you want is for them to come back to you and admire you for being such a lovely and thoughtful little person then it's not about making other people happy, it's about making them make you happy. My housemate said she had to go and do a lot of the Christmas shopping for the family to make up for the fact that her father was so useless, and she looked really irritated. I just thought, well if her father doesn't enjoy this, why coerce him into it in the first place? Why not let your father be your father, just for Christmas? But then.... when you feel you are unworthy of any > gifts...NOT saying this is how you are feeling personally...it makes it hard > to receive. If I feel bad it's because I have no intention of giving anything in return. I don't want to be manipulated into some friendship situation where we exchange gifts and secrets and ask eachother how this and that and the other is going etc. Essentially because I feel that when people approach you in this way it is not because they like YOU, it's because they like the idea of having a friend. I think it is a subtle way of abusing other people's kindness. As I said in the other email, this is a perfectly nice and intersting person, it jsut seems like she is the only one who doesn't think so so she has to go out of her was all the time to make the rest of us confirm. > > Now a question for you: Who invented the eight track player? ;-) Hint: > I hope your holidays go flying by fabulously. > I'd think about it if I knew what an eight track palyer is! Well, Ill find out what it is. Sorry to throw such a tantrum here, and thanks for responding to my post! Merry Christmas, Bene > > Bree > > > >So I threw the card in the bin, flicked through the trivia game > >questions, left the game in the common room in case someone else wants > >to take it, and made myself a cup of herbal tea. And now I sit here > >wondering how I am going to explain to this person that she DOES NOT > >have to bring me prezzies and send me little cards to make me like > >her. It drives me nuts and makes me feel really mean. Particularly > >because it comes from someone who doesn't know that: > > > >a) I find bought Christmas cards ugly and a ridiculous trade on > >sentimantality > >b) in my family and among my friends, presents are things you buy for > >each other whenever you feel like it, and not necessarily at Christmas > >c) I HATE little crap useless gadgets like that > >c) I HATE trivia games > >d) I don't give a damn about knowing who hosted the first Brit Pop > >Awards in 1977 anyway > > > >I'm not trying to say everyone else has to think the same as me, but > >that I find it bizarre that someone who knows me so little thinks she > >needs to bring me presents. It makes me feel like I am part of some > >little game of hers called 'I've got Friends', and has nothing to do > >whatsoever with us actually connecting in any way. This person is both > >nice and gifted and funny and intelligent and insightful. If she would > >leave it at that, she would have many friends I am sure. But no, she > >has to go and be SUPERnice and REALLY helpful and VERY concerned about > >you. > > > > >Uhm, this was a long one.... > > > >Happy holidays to all! > > > >Bene > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page > www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:17:12 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: RE: NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God Was it the Wright brothers? Anyhow, as I live in the hometown of Coca Cola, I feel I should respond. I've always liked Coke and in any case, have always preferred it over Pepsi. I like their ad campaigns with the polar bears and seals. In general, I ignore most commercials (or make fun of them) but some of them are quite well done. Even though I can't stand Budweiser, there recent commercial of the Clydesdales having a snowball fight was really funny. And I have to say, I think the classic Coca Cola Santa commercials are a part of my American heritage and are something to be cherished. I don't think anyone can really put a claim on inventing Santa Claus. I thought Disney was incredibly tacky when they kicked a man out who looks like Santa Claus...its not his fault. Maybe I'm not as cynical as I used to be but I just think life is too short and there's just too much to be thankful for. I agree with Bree that sometimes it can be hard to accept gifts. I used to have a very hard time with that but have gotten much better. I generally don't have much use for cards either but I appreciate the few I do get and I also totally agree that anytime is a good time to give gifts...it shouldn't have to be the holidays. Maybe its being a Libra, I just see both sides of everything and find some sort of a balance. Victor, enjoying sunny Florida NP: Nikki Meets the Hibachi "Veil" -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > You don't like trivia..Bene?! At our family Christmas we write a trivia > question and throughout the night people will write down their answer... > whoever answers correctly gets a present. Back in October a niece > by marriage............... told me she had the best trivia question ever to > ask this year. Little factoids that keep the mind cranking. Maybe > because your brain is so taxed now because you are working on getting your > PHD? You don't want any overload. > > I have been sitting here thinking about what you wrote about the prezzies > thing.....some people truly just like to give..it makes a person feel good. > Sort of like a high. And the mere fact she took the time to wrap up > something for you...the fact that she even THOUGHT of you...actually ..is a > beautiful thing. But then.... when you feel you are unworthy of any > gifts...NOT saying this is how you are feeling personally...it makes it hard > to receive. > > Now a question for you: Who invented the eight track player? ;-) Hint: > I hope your holidays go flying by fabulously. > > > Bree > > > >So I threw the card in the bin, flicked through the trivia game > >questions, left the game in the common room in case someone else wants > >to take it, and made myself a cup of herbal tea. And now I sit here > >wondering how I am going to explain to this person that she DOES NOT > >have to bring me prezzies and send me little cards to make me like > >her. It drives me nuts and makes me feel really mean. Particularly > >because it comes from someone who doesn't know that: > > > >a) I find bought Christmas cards ugly and a ridiculous trade on > >sentimantality > >b) in my family and among my friends, presents are things you buy for > >each other whenever you feel like it, and not necessarily at Christmas > >c) I HATE little crap useless gadgets like that > >c) I HATE trivia games > >d) I don't give a damn about knowing who hosted the first Brit Pop > >Awards in 1977 anyway > > > >I'm not trying to say everyone else has to think the same as me, but > >that I find it bizarre that someone who knows me so little thinks she > >needs to bring me presents. It makes me feel like I am part of some > >little game of hers called 'I've got Friends', and has nothing to do > >whatsoever with us actually connecting in any way. This person is both > >nice and gifted and funny and intelligent and insightful. If she would > >leave it at that, she would have many friends I am sure. But no, she > >has to go and be SUPERnice and REALLY helpful and VERY concerned about > >you. > > > > >Uhm, this was a long one.... > > > >Happy holidays to all! > > > >Bene > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page > www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:34:48 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: NJC Disney kicks Santa out Here's the link. I think they should have left him alone. Where's their Christmas spirit? http://www.wesh.com/news/10552033/detail.html > I didnt' hear bout the man being kicked out from Disneyland. Was he > not dressed up? > > Best ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:06:59 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: youtube guitarist njc hi >>>bob wrote >>>>>>And I don't understand why someone would grow a full beard and shave their head. true, true - if he shaved his beard as well he would have TWO extra surfaces to tap on..... ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:24:32 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: youtube guitarist njc heh heh...but he might get carried away and knock himself out. Anyway, if a guy grows a beard and shaves his head, he looks like he's either a lumberjack or a serial killer, so what's the appeal? Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Loving You" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Kids are kidnapped from WDW all the time so they have to do all they can to protect them. If the man had only been honest ("I do look like him, but I'm NOT him....ho ho ho"), he could have had his fun and nothing would have happened. Here in SC a guy dressed like ol' Saint Nick rode off with an 8-year-old on his motorcycle. Luckily the parents gave chase and got their daughter back shortly thereafter. Bob NP: Neil & Crazy Horse, "Cowgirl In The Sand" (live at the Fillmore) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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And besides - Coke is probably the only product endorsed in song by Joni: "Down in the garden Under an oak, he was drinking his Coke And he was looking at stardom Everything's bright as he draws on the pipe And the bowl glows redder And things go better with Coca-Cola" from "Ballerina Vallerie" Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Anyone who drives on an > Interstate quickly realizes that the issue is not that there's not enough > room on Earth for all the bodies, but rather the resources required by the > increasing population and the environmental and economic impact caused by > same. The Jacksonville bit may be a fun piece of trivia but that's about > it. The fact is that every 40 years the world's population pretty much > doubles. At some point it will reach a breaking point, unless famine and > disease do the work of 'thinning the herd' and indeed that is what is > happening in some parts of the world. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:07:08 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Table Games - NJC From: <<< It's sorta sad now that so many games are of the 1-player video variety. Last weekend my sister was in town and we INVENTED two new card games. >>> Last New Year's Eve I played one of the most fun games I've ever played, it's called "Apples to Apples". Subsequently I bought the game and several expansion decks and have introduced many of my friends to it. There are two decks of cards, one green and one red. The green deck is comprised of categories and the red deck is made up of names, places, objects etc... each player is dealt seven red cards; the dealer (which is rotated each hand) flips over a green category card and each of the players choose the card in their hand that most closely fits the category. The dealer is the one who chooses which of the played cards, in their mind, is the best choice and the person who played it wins the hand. The fun comes in when the interaction begins. It is well within the framework of the game to try to convince the dealer that a particular card is the best choice, it doesn't even have to be your card so it's possible to argue for someone else's choice in order to throw the dealer off... bribery has been known to happen. The game also comes with a few blank cards so the game can be customized to a degree. It's one of those games where the people HAVE to communicate and one can see how another's mind works... I highly recommend it if anyone is looking for a last-minute family gift. Warmly, Cassy NP: Bryan Ferry - The Right Stuff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:12:52 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Fwd: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC Yes he did - that's what made the film stand out in my opinion. When you put that kind of population growth on a graph over time, it's pretty mind-boggling. Like the old thing about starting a job at a salary of a penny a day, and getting it doubled every day and by the end of the month you're getting a hundred-million dollars or something. He also emphasized how the warmer climates were making it possible for mosquitos and other disease-carrying critters to spread diseases - an impact of climate change that isn't alway highlighted either. Bob NP: Ani, "I'm No Heroine" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Renowned musicians from a wide span of genres pay homage Joni Mitchell with twelve personal renditions of Mitchell's poetic masterpieces on 'A Tribute To Joni Mitchell'- the first tribute record to the legendary singer/songwriter. Here's a look at the final track list. 'A TRIBUTE TO JONI MITCHELL' TRACK LIST: 1. Free Man in Paris - Sufjan Stevens 2. Boho Dance - Bjvrk 3. Dreamland - Caetano Veloso 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow - Brad Mehldau 5. For The Roses - Cassandra Wilson 6. A Case Of U - Prince 7. Blue - Sarah McLachlan 8. Ladies Of The Canyon - Annie Lennox 9. Magdalena Laundries - Emmylou Harris 9. Edith And The Kingpin - Elvis Costello 10. Help Me - k.d. Lang 11. River - James Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:46:31 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC, jsut me moaning about Christmas presents and coca cola thinking they are God From: To: "Joni LIST" > And I > find the TV commercials from that company so disgusting, as if Coca > Cola were some kind of religion, Have you ever been to America? Coca-Cola IS some kind of religion here. RR, who considers Coca-Cola highly poisonous, and wishes everyone a happy winter solstice; it's the real thing ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: youtube guitarist njc - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > would have TWO extra > surfaces to tap on.....> > > heh heh...but he might get carried away and knock > himself out. Anyway, if > a guy grows a beard and shaves his head, he looks > like he's either a > lumberjack or a serial killer, so what's the appeal? > > > Bob > He could just be bald. Now, how come men (not all but some) go bald on their heads but yet the facial hair continues to grow? (That's a rhetorical question, in case you were wondering.) I think the tapping thing may be called rasgueado but that's more of a strumming thing and usually with the strumming hand, common in flamenco and some classical. Or it could be golpe. I'm sure I learned the names for that when I was studying classical guitar but I've forgotten. I thought the guy had an odd way of playing with his left hand hovering OVER top of the guitar rather than kind of holding on behind and moving the left hand up and down. Maybe he's self taught or maybe he also plays steel guitar or one of those. I'm guessing he's using an open tuning because he only seems to be pressing down a string or two at a time in between beating the shit out of his guitar. On the other hand, the sound and the picture weren't really synchronized very well, so it was hard to figure out. I thought the music was nice but more background music and I didn't listen to the whole thing. I don't like commenting on whether or not someone is a good guitar player or a shitty one or a showoff, because I really am no expert on that. It cracks me up when people argue over whether Eric Clapton is god or a hack. Who the hell cares? You either like it or you don't. No biggy. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:49:05 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Table Games - NJC We've been playing it (Apples to Apples) for years. Highly addictive and LOTS of fun. And no batteries required. Bob NP: Ani, "Adam & Eve" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Four Leaf Clover" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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