From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #478 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 14 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 478 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Jean Autry concert 1995-01-26 (Gene Autry) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] NJC late spanish concerts [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Rolling Thunder [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni, Van & Bob live - 1998 Gorge [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete ["Randy Remote" ] 50 WAYS TO RECYCLE FRUITCAKE NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: njc, Bush's Peoples Parties at Christmas ["Lori Fye" ] [none] ["Joe Farrell" ] RE: Joni's new music [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re:joni recording again ["Joe Farrell" ] Re: Joni's new music [Em ] Re: Joni's new music [David Sapp ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:53:50 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Jean Autry concert 1995-01-26 (Gene Autry) This would be the same concert that I uploaded the CD covers for a few weeks ago. Mark in Sydney NP Who Is It? (Fruit Machine Mix) - Bjork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:36:37 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC From: "Bree Mcdonough" <<< And do people here read any opposing views of Al's decree: that we are all going to bake because of the evils of man? >>> On the NPR web site at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1893089 there is an interview with someone who holds the opposing view. His name is John Christy and he is a climatologist with a decent Curriculum Vitae for anyone who is interested. I have to say I have never seen anyone present their point of view in a less hysterical manner than Al Gore (dragnet comes to mind... just the facts, ma'am). He does seem to have a lot of research on his side of the debate and he's been talking about ecology and global warming for over 20 years, it's not something new with him. One may not like Al Gore or his politics but I believe his encouraging the people of the world to think twice when they use (and abuse) natural resources can't be a bad thing. I would be very interested to read a similar quantity of research on the view that global warming is a hoax accumulated in as coherent and persuasive a presentation as Gore and his producers have put together. Geez thinking of Gore 20 years ago brought Tipper and Frank Zappa to mind at the congressional hearings on explicit song lyrics... time flies! Cassy NP: B-52s - Dance This Mess Around ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:42:30 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Joni's Landscapes If anyone has any clues as to how I can show these folks more of her art related to landscapes, Hey Kate, I'll try to find the series of photos we took at the Mendal opening. We took a shot of each piece in the show which had several woods and land themes. Travelogue booklet has a few and Turbulent Indigo(different in each packaging of the CD) has several snow cap scenes. I would also make contact with Les Moonves Gallery and tell him and he may connect Joni into contacting your Gallery if she is interested. They did say she had well over 460 paintings to go through to select for the Mendal show, and that was 6 years ago. She has also been working on a series of dead forest from acid rain effects. I'll start digging. Peace. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:50:26 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Rolling Thunder Hi all, I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download the Joni Covers. Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the thought makes me nervous! Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the 22nd. There I can download all I want. Thanks to both! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:56:41 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Bene, don't worry about it. Just let me know when you are home and I will repost it somewhere log-in free. Mark. On 14/12/2006, at 11:50 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait > until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, > and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download > the Joni Covers. > > Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a > log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in > something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me > bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the > thought makes me nervous! > > Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will > it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the > 22nd. There I can download all I want. > > Thanks to both! > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:58:20 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC late spanish concerts Ah, and I wouldn'et even be sure these concerts start at the time that is given. The first times I was in Spain and we were going to outdoors concerts, say they were scheduled to start at 10PM, at 9.30 I was getting restless. But no, if it says 10, that means you begin to get ready to leave home at 10.... and then you stop to chat with friends on the way... Oh Im looking forward to getting out of Cambridge! Bene ate: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:03:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Jackson Browne in Spain Spaniards have late concerts! Up all night in the studio. Night owls....(TIC! "incense owls by night"). I just told one of our Spanish TAs about these late shows and he waved me off with a smile, as if to say "You Americans don't know how to do anything." Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:00:10 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Cool, thanks a lot!!! Bene On 12/14/06, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Bene, don't worry about it. Just let me know when you are home and I > will repost it somewhere log-in free. > > Mark. > > On 14/12/2006, at 11:50 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait > > until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, > > and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download > > the Joni Covers. > > > > Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a > > log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in > > something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me > > bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the > > thought makes me nervous! > > > > Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will > > it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the > > 22nd. There I can download all I want. > > > > Thanks to both! > > > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:01:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni, Van & Bob live - 1998 Gorge Yes, but I have to admit that I didn't know it was her at first. She was bundled up pretty good, which makes sense given that from what I remember it was a chilly night and she was working through some sickness issues. I think they did this encore twice, once at the Gorge and once in Canada - don't bet on my memory however. I know that Mark was there - maybe we can coax him out of lurkdom to comment. 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Speaking of labels - it's so strange to me what that the global warming issue has become so partisan. I understand people in the fossil fuel industry have a stake in whether we encourage and adopt greater conservation and they may tend to be on the conservative side of things. But why other folks would see it as a conservative or liberal issue is so strange. It's not who has a propensity for alarmism. We all do. Conservatives jumped on the Sadam is an imminent threat and has ties to al quaeda bandwagon. We all jumped on the Y2K bandwagon. I go out of my way to avoid alarmism - in response to having a mother who has quite a knack for it - and even I fell for that one. It was convenient to have 6 months of brown rice and flour on hand though, I have to say. On the issue of walking the talk and talking the walk or whatever. We all make compromises despite our beliefs. I'm not defending RK Jr, I don't know anything about his personal choices. My point is that because a person may compromise what they believe in in some ways, it doesn't mean they are a hypocrite always. For example, my better half and I work in towns that are 1.5 hours apart in driving time. So we bought a house in the middle and we both commute. We purchased one relatively efficient gas car (35-40 mpg) and a used diesel car that we run on half biodiesel (50 mpg). But if we really were walking the walk, etc. one of us would quit our job and we would relocate to one town and ride bikes to work. Ultimately I think debating whether or not humans are the *primary* cause of global warming is counterproductive. Whether we are or not - I think it makes sense to try to take measures to not make the situation worse, if it's possible. btw, really like what you had to say Catherine. Jenny On 12/14/06, Cassy wrote: > > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > > <<< And do people here read any opposing views of Al's decree: that we > are > all going to bake because of the evils of man? >>> > > On the NPR web site at: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1893089 > > there is an interview with someone who holds the opposing view. His name > is > John Christy and he is a climatologist with a decent Curriculum Vitae for > anyone who is interested. > > I have to say I have never seen anyone present their point of view in a > less > hysterical manner than Al Gore (dragnet comes to mind... just the facts, > ma'am). He does seem to have a lot of research on his side of the debate > and he's been talking about ecology and global warming for over 20 years, > it's not something new with him. > > One may not like Al Gore or his politics but I believe his encouraging the > people of the world to think twice when they use (and abuse) natural > resources can't be a bad thing. > > I would be very interested to read a similar quantity of research on the > view that global warming is a hoax accumulated in as coherent and > persuasive > a presentation as Gore and his producers have put together. > > Geez thinking of Gore 20 years ago brought Tipper and Frank Zappa to mind > at > the congressional hearings on explicit song lyrics... time flies! > > Cassy > > NP: B-52s - Dance This Mess Around ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:01:23 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Rolling Thunder Revue Hi Mark, Sorry not to give feedback - Actually I downloaded 14 MP3s's under CD 2.Zip from You Send It. By any chance was there a CD 1.Zip ?? I really enjoyed the music - especially Shadows and Light - its quite a different acoustic version from the studio version of that song. I had actually heard Coyote before from the revue - someone else had posted it from the list awhile back. I also enjoyed Edith and the Kingpin. I would also add that the sound quality was quite good for a concert recording. My overall impression is that when you hear Joni sing to just her acoustic guitar you get a whole new appreciation of sweet her voice really is. Thanks for the post - I really appreciated it. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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Life is for learning -- I had never heard this term until last week when I was on this flight tonight with my youngest son. I was perusing a guidebook to Chicago when I came upon this and lit up as bright as a neon light: "Chicago's Top 10 Niche Museums 5. The Peace Museum Art, history, and politics as seen through a pacifist's prism: the Peace Museum houses a 10,000-item collection, including sculpture, banners, and lithograpsh. Rotating exhibits cover themes such as 20th-century peace movements, the AIDS quilt, and art from Japanest A-bomb surviviors. 100 N. Central Park Ave. 11 a.m.-5 p.m. Tue, Wed., Sat and by appt. Map B5" (DK Eyewitness Top 10 Travel Guides: Chicago. Elaine Glusac, Elisa Kronish, Robert Sotonoff. DK Publishing, Copyright 2004) Wow! Just my cup of tea for the Tillerman! I tap Michael's arm. He looks slightly exasperated at having to stop reading and turn down his iPod yet again. "Mike, look at THIS!" He reads it and says, "Oh, Mom, we are NOT going to some PEACE museum. You and your peace stuff!" (We then had a little discussion about compromise and tolerance on this trip. He finally agreed that we could go.) Good fortune, however, did not allow us to get over to the Peace Museum because of time constraints and schedules. But you can bet your Joni "eighteen bucks went up in smoke" (or any other Joni currency....LOL!) that the next time I go to Chicago, whatever train, plane or automobile I am travelling travelling in will stop first at the Peace Museum! Some googling informs me that it is the only Peace Museum in the U.S., and that it has stuff from John Lennon, Joan Baez, Bono, and you know...... (There are lots of museums about war, aren't there? I remember going to some General Patton museum in Fort Knox when I was about 10 years old. "Give War A Chance", right Muller? Sheesh, I still can't get over that bumpersticker you saw!) Their website is not very sophisticated or developed, but for what it's worth, here it is: http://www.peacemuseum.org/index.htm I'd love to see pictures of the contents of this: Music Lovers Peace Basket $85 1 One Year Individual Peace Museum membership 1 2006 Peace, Love & Rock n Roll calendar 2 "Peace Through Music" bumper stickers 2 "Give Peace A Chance" license plate frames 1 "Give Peace A Chance" book (first copy/"vintage" edition chronicling musicians inspired to advocate for peace & social justice including Joan Baez, Stevie Wonder, John Lennon, U2 and many more) 1 sweatshop free t-shirt from Peace Museum's "International Day of Peace" (backside of t-shirt has a poem, "Dreams in a Box", written for The Peace Museum by U2's Bono) 2 John Lennon Postcards 1 Peace Button Ha! I think I'll send this link to my sons to give them gift ideas for Christmas! (But wait....next year is 2007...I wonder if they still offer this?) But back to you, Kate (pardon the longue segue!), good luck with your museum and upcoming exhibits. Niche museums are cool -- my neighbor is President of the Eastern CT Railroad Museum and he has a lot of fun with that. (Hmmm....I should give him a copy of "Just Like This Train" to play for visitors!) Love and peace, Patti P. NPIMH: "And so this is Christmas, and what have you done....." (John and Yoko) _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:57:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum >How interesting! Of course you know that there are 259 pieces of Joni's art on jonimitchell.com, oui? I think our Jamie Zoob is the curator there, non?< Oy, I didn't realize there were that many even though I saw the green flag song collection... duh on me! I'll have a look... >5. The Peace Museum Art, history, and politics as seen through a pacifist's prism: the Peace Museum houses a 10,000-item collection, including sculpture, banners, and lithograpsh. < Cool patti! (npimh Chicago, CSNY) > (There are lots of museums about war, aren't there? I remember going to some General Patton museum in Fort Knox when I was about 10 years old. < you are darn right going to see war places (revolutionary & civil) was part of my family's little tour to see the history of an area wherever we were visiting... I never enjoyed these history lesssons... I guess it was the early inklings of a young girl who'd grow up hating war ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:01:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni's Landscapes That would be very cool mingus. I'll dig out my two CD packs to see what art is in there. also thanks for letting me know how many she has so I can let them know it's the tip of the iceberg. when I met joni at her opening I gave her a bunch of stuff from our museum but who knows if she kept it. good idea to call the gallery to remind her of our museum (we received an invitation to the opening so someone has us on their list). anyway first up is to get more examples of her art in front of the exhibition committee to see if they are interested (they'd be fools not to be but that is a subject for a nuther day) kate >Hey Kate, I'll try to find the series of photos we took at the Mendal opening. We took a shot of each piece in the show which had several woods and land themes. Travelogue booklet has a few and Turbulent Indigo(different in each packaging of the CD) has several snow cap scenes. I would also make contact with Les Moonves Gallery and tell him and he may connect Joni into contacting your Gallery if she is interested. They did say she had well over 460 paintings to go through to select for the Mendal show, and that was 6 years ago. She has also been working on a series of dead forest from acid rain effects. I'll start digging. Peace. Mingus< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:30:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete Hi Mark, So sorry to make you feel neglected on that! I have a very old computer so I usually have to skip downloads completely even if they are good ones! Please know that I'm always reading even if I don't respond. I would love to see this performance of Joni but until I get a new computer, it will be difficult. Sherelle Mark in Sydney wrote: Hi guys. I was surprised that I got no feedback about the "complete" Rolling Thunder Revue package. This took several people and several days to put together. Maybe you're all just over all the downloads. This one is worth it. It is the most comprehensive package of that set of performances around. Is anyone having any problems with the downloads? Let me know and I will try something else. Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:42:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Orleans Holiday Music Show (NJC)` Hi dear Paz! This sounds like it's going to be great! I'll spread the word today to my friends on "My Space" and to another discussion group I'm a part of. I'm congratulating you ahead of time Pazman! This makes me proud friend!!! Love, Sherelle From: Michael Paz Hi All Here is some info on I show I was the music producer for a couple of weeks ago and my partner and I recorded, mixed and mastered for Putomayo World Music and NPR. Check it out there were some great perfomances. Best, Paz _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:50:30 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Bush's Peoples Parties at Christmas Am I the only one bothered by Christmas parties and decorations and gingerbread houses at the White House while people are being killed and wounded in Iraq which is a living hell, with no end in sight? "I am the "Decider" says he will "not be rushed" and will decide what to do after the holidays. (Stumbling deaf, dumb and blind.) The morning "news" shows have had interviews with Laura Stepford Wife Bush showing off all the decorations and it drives me crazy. I discussed this with a friend and he said that we need to have some "normalcy", and I replied that we need some "reality!" It reminds me of the Emerald City in Baghdad that Bob Woodward wrote about in "State of Denial"....a posh enclave in the middle of death and destruction. More inconvenient truths. Reality bites, I guess. And then along comes my friend and soul sister Cindy, with similar thoughts. (Warning: She digs down deep. You might lose good sleep.) 10:00 AM Dec 10, 2006 A Womans Worst Nightmare In Search of Peace With Cindy Sheehan On Friday, December 8th, after 4 and = long days, the jury in the trial of the Pink 4, which includes me, Medea Benjamin, Gold Star Aunty Missy Beattie and Reverend Patty Ackerman, finally received our case for deliberation at about 2:30 PM. The judge summoned us back into the courtroom at 6:15 PM and we were excited for the verdict, only to learn that the jury had not yet reached their verdict and we would be staying in NYC until at least Monday when the jury would continue its deliberations on the 5 counts for each of us. (NOTE FROM PP: They were since convicted of just one charge: trespassing. On public property?) While we were awaiting our fates, we four dangerous peace women, found a copy of the New York Post which seems to me like a glorified National Enquirer. I was leafing through the rag when I saw a big picture of Laura and George. Laura was wearing one of the ugliest dresses I have every seen, and there, inset above the picture of the First Lady and her offensive husband, were photos of three other women wearing the same dress as Laura! Perusing the article I discovered that going to a party and having even one woman wearing the same dress as yourself is bad enough, but going to a party (especially in ones own home) and discovering three other women wearing your same dress is a womans worst nightmare! To begin with, I would think that someone married to GW would have enough problems to worry about and even more horrendous nightmares then sharing a hideous dress with someone else. Being the wife of the worlds number one terrorist would give me pause. However, I just want to let the New York Post, Laura and the three other women who are in the one-half of one percentile of the country who are in Georges base that are able to own an 8400.00 Oscar de la Renta, that showing up at a party with 3 women wearing the same dress is not a womans worst nightmare, and even though it has never (and will never) happen to me and I have never walked in their Prada slippers, had a polo pony go lame or known such humiliation, I suspect that I am, and will be living, a womans worst nightmare. Yes Laura, et al, there are worse things than what happened at the White House Christmas party this past week. Ask the 25 American mothers who learned that their sons were killed this past week for your husbands lies and to put obscenely expensive and over the top (not to mention, unflattering) clothes on your backs. Ask the people who are being slaughtered in Iraq and cant even go buy groceries or attend services in their local places of worship without fearing being blown to a million tiny pieces bombs. Ask the prisoners who have been tortured at such gulags as Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. Ask the millions of people who go to bed hungry or cold in our very own country every night while you are horrified that someone else found your dreadful dress appealing enough to plunk down over eight grand. Before April 04, 2004, my greatest fear and nightmare was that one day I would have to bury one of my children. My children were and are my life. If one of them was late, or didnt give us a timely phone call if they were out and not home in time, my heart would race and I would fear the worse. But the fears dont even approach reality. If a parent has not buried a child he/she cannot even come close to imagining what it is like. The actuality and reality of the unnatural and disordered act of a child dying before his/her parents is practically inconceivable. I have nightmares every night. They should be good dreams. Every night, I toss and turn and dream of Casey at every agefrom darling baby, to sweet toddler, to gangly boy-teen, to handsome soldier man. The dreams are not good or reassuring, because in every dream I know that I am experiencing my happy past and I have to live a dim future that is absent one of my children. However, Casey, and hundreds of thousands of other humans killed by BushCo, have no future and I wake up many times each night missing my boy so badly and aching for all the moms in the world whose lives have been upended by the villains in designer labels who yucked it up over the exploits of Barney the wonder-dog at the White House last week. I often marvel at how one person can endure so much pain and longing. I wish all I had to worry about was a stupid dress and innocuous parties. But on that lovely, yet horrid, Palm Sunday in 2004, I was forced by BushCo to experience what is truly a womans worst nightmare, and due to their policies, I am, by far, not alone in this unrelenting suffering. I am surviving a womans worst nightmare, and all I do, I do for other mothers and their children. Time and again, I will struggle to keep our families intact and to protect them from the ruling elite of this world who think nothing of killing our children and destroying the world to be able to have their grand and glorious celebrations and enjoy their extremely ill-gotten booty. No one wants my nightmares. ************** Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Evryone you meet Why in the world are we here Surely not to live in pain and fear Why on earth are you there When youre evrywhere Come and get your share _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:04:35 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum Kate wrote: > >you are darn right going to see war places (revolutionary & civil) was part >of my family's little tour to see the history of an area wherever we were >visiting... I never enjoyed these history lesssons... I guess it was the >early inklings of a young girl who'd grow up hating war > > Unlike this person who wrote a review: "The Peace Museum is for a bunch of Sandinista loving,nuclear freeze supporting anti- American flakes...go there if you want..but expect nothing patriotic." As Joni said, "you can't please 'em all!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > > On the issue of walking the talk and talking the > walk or whatever. We all > make compromises despite our beliefs. I'm not > defending RK Jr, I don't know > anything about his personal choices. My point is > that because a person may > compromise what they believe in in some ways, it > doesn't mean they are a > hypocrite always. .... > Ultimately I think debating whether or not humans > are the *primary* cause of > global warming is counterproductive. Whether we are > or not - I think it > makes sense to try to take measures to not make the > situation worse, if it's > possible. I think one of the points Gore makes in the film is that we don't need to make extreme adjustments in our lives to effect change. He admits that all of this bad news *could* make people just want to give up but that you don't need to do this, because it's not as difficult as we might at first think. People seem to like black and white, and because it's really hard to go directly from one extreme to the other, and we're looking at what seems to be an impossible goal somewhere over there on the other side of where we are now and we don't think about the steps needed to get there, we simply give up. This is true of me when I vow to lose weight, for example. I'd love to lose 60 pounds overnight, but that may not be possible without amputating a couple of limbs. So I just eat more chocolate! You don't need to give up the car, Jenny, but if you have one with good mpg (or kpl) and you maintain it well (and don't wait for the emissions police to pull you over), then you have already improved your part and, if everyone does this, the net result is, we will see an improvement. > btw, really like what you had to say Catherine. > Jenny > Thanks, J - I always appreciate what you have to say too, because it's always well thought out and balanced. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:15:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Tree & Peace Museums <"Give War A Chance", right Muller? Sheesh, I still can't get over that bumpersticker you saw!> Yeah, it pretty much stopped me in my tracks as well. And speaking of Peace & such, I thought that being the retro-hippie that you are you'd enjoy a trip down memory lane and a website of anti-war posters from those days. Stumbled on this site and thought of you immediately: http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Exhibits/Track16.html#Poster Maybe you can print them up and put them all over. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "For You" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Joni's new music First let me say that I am thrilled that Joni is now going to give us some new music and has already given us some new paintings. I am also happy that she is going to stand up and comment on the state of our world today. But I have to say I am a bit hesitant about what the new music is going to sound like both musically as well as lyrically. To me Jonis political works, or most of it anyway, has been lesser Joni... when compared to her other work. Magdalena Laundries would be an exception, but it seems as if her political work lacks the subtlety and layers of duality and meaning that her best work reveals. Compare the lyric of Harry's House with the lyric to Dog Eat Dog... Harry contains the wonderful fish images, the paper businessmen and the paper wives papering the walls... on the other hand, Dog is straight out true about the state of the world that contains none of the subtleties in the lyric. In the past it also seems that Joni's production values have become somewhat daunted when confronted with political work. Especially in Dog And Chalkmark her production pretty much overwhelmed the lyric... and I've always preferred the acoustic versions of these songs that float around from time to time. So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one of you can. Anyway that is it for now. Peace, David - --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:25:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Question...or questions NJC - --- Smurf wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > <<. I'd love > to lose 60 pounds overnight, but that may not > be > possible without amputating a couple of limbs. >> > > > Well, dear, you know > you can always count on my support! > > XO, > > --Smurf > Yay! Smurf will be my personal care attendant! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's new music - --- David Sapp wrote: > So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her > latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's > paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or > vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one > of you can. Hi David, I have to admit, the first thing that came to mind when I read your post is that the latest works, (I don't think) are paintings at all. They are some kind of prints or big giclee prints of photogenerated images. Or? So, hmmmm, what would be the musical counterpart of that? Not saying it would be good or bad. But it does cross my mind that a dulcimer won't be part of the picture. LOL! you know???? Like "organic" it ain't. But maybe the new music will be completely different! Or maybe it'll be an extension of the stuff of hers some of us don't like very much. Its HER art; she can do what she wants, right?! Even if she takes a dump on the sidewalk, I would be happy to see it. errr, hear it? Em ps: I'm not saying the greeen flag works are not good, btw...they are just a less direct involvement of the artist with her medium than applying paint to canvas. I'm certain it could be argued that I'm wrong about that though. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:33:38 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete Finally got a chance to download part 1, I'm listening to it now...it's great to have these rare recordings, thanks Mark, and all involved in making this happen. I've tinkered with the equalizer setting in my Windows Media Player-while the tracks are from different sources, and may require further tweaking, these are my settings, giving a bit more body and removing a bit of bite from the recordings (the graphic equalizer is on the upper left of the 'now playing' tab-on my version, anyway) 62hz (+5) / 125hz (+4) / 250hz (+4) / 1khz (+1) / 2khz (0) 4khz (-3) / 8khz (+1) / 16khz (0) Thank goodness the audience was respectful, appreciative, and wasn't talking! RR > Hi guys. I was surprised that I got no feedback about the "complete" > Rolling Thunder Revue package. This took several people and several > days to put together. Maybe you're all just over all the downloads. > This one is worth it. It is the most comprehensive package of that set > of performances around. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:04:11 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: 50 WAYS TO RECYCLE FRUITCAKE NJC I heard that there is book out with the above title. So I got to thinking about that... with conservation and with reusing in mind. Now here are a few ideas that come to mind..of course this would not be for the fruitcake those Trappists monks make ..soaked in Brandy. Just most of the others. 1. regift it. 2. use it to butt your cigarette's 3. grind it up and use it in place of rock salt ..then throw on icy walkways so the guests won't slip. (the nuts..you know) 4. pretend it is prehistoric animal dung and sell it on Ebay as such. 5. Send it to Catherine Anybody else? Bree _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:24:22 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni's new music I've only seen the reproductions on jonimitchell.com but that Green Flag series is the best visual art that I've ever seen from Joni. I was blown away by how powerful it is and how subtle compared to other recent political art. So I'm hoping her music will be just as much a step forward for her as the art. Glass three quarters full, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of David Sapp Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:47 PM To: joni list Subject: Joni's new music First let me say that I am thrilled that Joni is now going to give us some new music and has already given us some new paintings. I am also happy that she is going to stand up and comment on the state of our world today. But I have to say I am a bit hesitant about what the new music is going to sound like both musically as well as lyrically. To me Jonis political works, or most of it anyway, has been lesser Joni... when compared to her other work. Magdalena Laundries would be an exception, but it seems as if her political work lacks the subtlety and layers of duality and meaning that her best work reveals. Compare the lyric of Harry's House with the lyric to Dog Eat Dog... Harry contains the wonderful fish images, the paper businessmen and the paper wives papering the walls... on the other hand, Dog is straight out true about the state of the world that contains none of the subtleties in the lyric. In the past it also seems that Joni's production values have become somewhat daunted when confronted with political work. Especially in Dog And Chalkmark her production pretty much overwhelmed the lyric... and I've always preferred the acoustic versions of these songs that float around from time to time. So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one of you can. Anyway that is it for now. Peace, David - --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:37:27 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc, Bush's Peoples Parties at Christmas Patti wrote: > Am I the only one bothered by Christmas parties and decorations and > gingerbread houses at the White House while people are being killed and > wounded in Iraq which is a living hell, with no end in sight? > I discussed this with a friend and he said that we need to have some "normalcy" It's kind of like after 9/11 when Bush suggested we all go shopping. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's new music - --- Em wrote: > Hi David, I have to admit, the first thing that came > to mind when I > read your post is that the latest works, (I don't > think) are paintings > at all. They are some kind of prints or big giclee > prints of > photogenerated images. Or? > > So, hmmmm, what would be the musical counterpart of > that? > Not saying it would be good or bad. > But it does cross my mind that a dulcimer won't be > part of the picture. > LOL! you know???? > Like "organic" it ain't. > But maybe the new music will be completely > different! Electronica? Sampling? Hip hop? Angry rants and chanting against a beatbox background? Maybe Joni needs to revisit "The Jungle Line". I've tried to think of political songs that are also good music. All I can think of is union songs. I think it's hard to write good music or lyrics when you're angry. If someone can think of any - especially songs that are good both lyrically and musically, let me know. Most of the ones I can think of, including Joni's, are a bit more simplistic. I think the best Joni songs are the melancholy or sad ones. Most of the classical music that I can think of that is very powerful is also melancholy. I think this is kind of true of most of the good music I can think of. I suppose you need to define what "good" is. Apparently, a lot of people think "Fergalicious" is a great song. Maybe it's the aural equivalent to gingerbread houses at the White House while war is raging in Iraq and elsewhere. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:44:21 -0000 From: "Joe Farrell" Subject: [none] Bob, Thanks for pointing me to the feature on JMDL it is a really interesting article. Sounds like Joni is recording again and she sounds pretty fired up right now. I can't wait to hear the results. A new Joni album containing new songs now that would be a real treat. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:57:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni's new music True, and it's important to remember that DED & CMIARS involved heavy collaboration with Klein, Dolby and all the guest stars brought in. While Joni was happy with the end product, I don't think it was solely her vision. I foresee that there will be more of a TI feel plus I think in many ways this new one is not going to sound like anything we've heard from Joni thus far. And I'm really hoping regarding her guitars that she doesn't only do the Parker/VG8 thing this time around. It would suit me if she was all piano this time. Bob NP: Ani, "Brief Bus Stop" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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It > attacks the brutalization of women from one woman's point of view and > thereby not only tugs at the heartstrings, and makes one cry, but > makes a very potent political point which hopefully will provoke > someone to find a solution to the problem. > Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Joni's new music Well I would call Magdalena Laundries a good political song. It attacks the brutalization of women from one woman's point of view and thereby not only tugs at the heartstrings, and makes one cry, but makes a very potent political point which hopefully will provoke someone to find a solution to the problem. Peace, David Catherine McKay wrote: I've tried to think of political songs that are also good music. All I can think of is union songs. I think it's hard to write good music or lyrics when you're angry. If someone can think of any - especially songs that are good both lyrically and musically, let me know. Most of the ones I can think of, including Joni's, are a bit more simplistic. I think the best Joni songs are the melancholy or sad ones. Most of the classical music that I can think of that is very powerful is also melancholy. I think this is kind of true of most of the good music I can think of. I suppose you need to define what "good" is. Apparently, a lot of people think "Fergalicious" is a great song. Maybe it's the aural equivalent to gingerbread houses at the White House while war is raging in Iraq and elsewhere. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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