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JMDL Digest        Monday, December 11 2006        Volume 2006 : Number 472



==========

TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
--------
  RE: try another (not!) NJC      ["anne@sandstrom.com" <anne@sandstrom.com>]
  Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC  [Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com]
  Re: [NortheastJonifest] Fest Manifest(now njc)  ["Sherelle Smith" <sherell]
  Talking Elmo ? Smoking Joni           ["Keith Epley" <keith.epley@wku.edu>]
  re: Rolling Thunder (njc)       ["anne@sandstrom.com" <anne@sandstrom.com>]
  liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC           ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now  ["Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now    [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  RE: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC  ["Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.c]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now                     [Em <emzdogz@yahoo.com>]
  RE: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC       ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now                       [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com]
  Re: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC                       [waytoblue@comcast.net]
  BSN - my respects! And a question about crows     [missblux@googlemail.com]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now             ["Lori Fye" <lrfye58@gmail.com>]
  Re: the missing digests - njc              ["Lori Fye" <lrfye58@gmail.com>]
  Re: try another (not!) njc now  ["Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.]
  Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged  ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" <jlamadoo@sb]
  Re: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC     [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  Here's the news (NJC)               [Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>]
  Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now  ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" <jlamado]

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:52:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: "anne@sandstrom.com" <anne@sandstrom.com>
Subject: RE: try another (not!) NJC

- - Your listening to an iPod at full blast is not bad for me. Knock 
yourself out.
- - Your eating hamburger & fries every night is not bad for me. Go 
ahead, pig out.
- - Your not wearing a helmet when you ride a motorcycle is not bad for 
me. Do what you want.

- - BUT, your smoking is bad for me. 
That's the difference. And don't anyone dare give me any crap about 
that not being true. You're just kidding yourself. You want lungs that 
are black, corroded, and disgusting, breath that stinks to high 
heaven,  yellow teeth, and a high likelihood of respiratory problems, 
including lung cancer. Fine. Just don't do it with the air I breathe.

And if you're waiting for a pollution-free world in which there is no 
hypocrasy to quit, well, the tobacco companies certainly found a sucker 
in you.

Bree, I applaud your efforts to quit. In this holiday season, I wish 
you true freedom, from the habit, from the financial drain, from the 
health risks.

lots of love,
Anne

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:40:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Muller <scjoniguy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC

<I need to go lie down now and try to remember what
exactly it was that made
me want to live just a few
short minutes ago. >

My advice - go find some
little kids and tell them that Santa is BS. That always lifts MY spirits.

Bob
NP: Blue Man Group, "Sing Along"
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:12:19 +0000
From: "Sherelle Smith" <sherellesmith@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Fest Manifest(now njc)

Jamie, congratulations on landing a part in a touring play! How exciting! 
I'm very happy for you and proud of you!!!! Please have fun and take care of 
yourself whilst on tour!

I will have to be a last minute addition to Jonifest and will probably have 
to stay in a nearby town. I will do my best to be there as well!

Sherelle


Jamie wrote:
>
>Unfortunately I am not able to come anymore as I am now in a touring
>play that will transfer to the West End in March. It's called The
>Letter by Someset Maugham and stars Jenny 'Woman Of Substance'
>Seagrove and Anthony 'Brideshead Revisited' Andrews. I play Jenny's
>headservant and help her directly after she has killed someone in her
>house.
>
>Based on a true incident in Malaya (former Malaysia, where I'm from,
>hence I can speak the language)
>
>Jamie

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:58:02 -0600
From: "Keith Epley" <keith.epley@wku.edu>
Subject: Talking Elmo ? Smoking Joni

If Joni comes to my house, she can burn the damned thing down!!! So long
as she sings "I wanta freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee him."

A wonderful season of light and miracles to all you darling folks from
the Sooouth.  By the way, Joni--my address is....

Keith in Kentucky



On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 03:00:11 -0500 (EST)
 owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote:
> 
> JMDL Digest         Friday, December 8 2006         Volume 2006 :
Number 467
> 
> 
> 
> ==========
> 
> TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
> --------
>   Drive-By Truckers (njc)            [Victor Johnson
<waytoblue@comcast.net>]
>   Re: NJC gay marriage... turned into smoking, turned into hats 
[Catherine ]
>   Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes?  [Catherine
McKay <a]
>   RE: "A horse with no name" (njc)  ["Sherelle Smith"
<sherellesmith@hotmail]
>   Re: "A horse with no name" njc                  ["gene"
<gmock@psyber.com>]
>   seatbelts NJC                       ["Kate Bennett"
<kate@katebennett.com>]
>   smoking NJC                         ["Kate Bennett"
<kate@katebennett.com>]
>   Re: seatbelts NJC                  [Victor Johnson
<waytoblue@comcast.net>]
>   Re: smoking NJC                    [Victor Johnson
<waytoblue@comcast.net>]
>   try another (not!) njc now  ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama"
<jlamadoo@sbcglobal.n]
>   will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes?  ["Kate Bennett"
<kate@k]
>   Joni v Carole                    ["Paul Headon"
<paul.headon@ntlworld.com>]
>   RE: try another (not!) VLJC  NJC  [Catherine McKay
<anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
>   River on TV tonight                         ["Cassy"
<Siquomb@Comcast.net>]
>   Re: "Borat"-extremly funny movie! [ABSOLUTELY NJC] now SHORTBUS
[also NJC whatsoever]  ["Richard Goldman" <richard2sf@]
>   FW: try another (not!) njc now       ["Walt Zen"
<waltzenfree@hotmail.com>]
>   FW: try another                      ["Walt Zen"
<waltzenfree@hotmail.com>]
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:32:40 -0500
> From: Victor Johnson <waytoblue@comcast.net>
> Subject: Drive-By Truckers (njc)
> 
> > Cassy
> >
> > NP:  Drive-By Truckers - A World of Hurt
> 
> 
> I was driving to school today and noticed the Truckers are playing  
> two shows at the Variety Playhouse in Atlanta, Dec 30 and 31.  I'll  
> be in Florida for the holiday but I imagine it will be a fun concert.
> 
> Victor
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:53:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... turned into smoking, turned into hats
> 
> - --- Bree Mcdonough <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > So do you wear a hat when you go out in the cold?  
> > Or is that too personal? 
> >   I'm the new...as of today.. hat Nazi.
> > 
> 
> Way too feckin' personal, lady! Yeah, it depends on
> how cold it is. It's pretty darn cold out there
> tonight and it's windy, so I'll wear a hat, if I can
> find it. I'm definitely wearing gloves. It probably
> isn't THAT cold, but the temperature changed suddenly
> and it's got us all confused.
> 
> 
> Catherine 
> Toronto
> -
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:53:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes?
> 
> - --- Bree Mcdonough <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Or spend your time picking up their butts...
> > 
> 
> or pinch their butts.
> 
> Catherine 
> Toronto
> -
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:13:50 +0000
> From: "Sherelle Smith" <sherellesmith@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: "A horse with no name" (njc)
> 
> I like this song too! I'm sorry I've never known what it's about but I
love 
> it just the same. "America" were Air Force brats like me when they formed 
> their group so I have a special feeling for them in my heart. I love
their 
> music! I saw them several years ago in Wheeling West Virginia. A music 
> friend of mine told me that their road manager was from Wheeling as well. 
> They put on a great performance! I hope you enjoy their concert next
month. 
> You'll find yourself singing along!
> 
> Sherelle
> 
> From: "anon anon"
> 
>     I really like this song, and the group who sings it-America... does
> anyone have any ideas about what the song is about? thanks...  I've seen
> America once, and I'm looking foward to seeing them again next month...
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:09:51 -0800
> From: "gene" <gmock@psyber.com>
> Subject: Re: "A horse with no name" njc
> 
> drugs, the desert, and more drugs.  feel kinda drugged out posting this.
> happy holidays, gene
> p.s. why do we spend one day out of the year being kind to everybody? 
> wouldn't you rather be kind to everybody the whole year, and for one
day out 
> of the year you can be mean?
> 
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "anon anon" <icnh@hotmail.com>
> To: <Joni@smoe.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM
> Subject: "A horse with no name"
> 
> 
> >    I really like this song, and the group who sings it-America... does 
> > anyone have any ideas about what the song is about? thanks...  I've
seen 
> > America once, and I'm looking foward to seeing them again next month...
> >
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> > !DSPAM:144,45789a3a239668554812584!
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:02:56 -0800
> From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
> Subject: seatbelts NJC
> 
> There is no question seatbelts save lives in car accidents... so if it
isn't
> a law, what about the kids whose stupid parents don't buckle them in
because
> it isn't a law?... what happens to the kids whose parents die in a car
> accident because the parents aren't wearing a seatbelt?... this particular
> law is something that I think is a very good idea... same with helmets on
> bikes... the safety outweighs the inconvenience or intrusion or
whatever you
> consider it to be... imo
> 
> >Sorry I do not agree with this one...I think one of the problems with
our  
> country today is that every single time someone gets pissed about
something,
> 
> they think a law should be passed against it.  Coming from the south, and
> now 
> living in the north, I see this as especially true in the north.  
Everytime
> 
> someone sees something up here they don't like, they think it should  be 
> "against the law."  I don't think the government has any business 
telling a
> man he 
> has to wear a helmet on a bike, nor do they have any business  telling
> someone 
> who rides in a car that they have to wear a seatbelt.  I  think that
person 
> has the right to not wear one if they want to.<
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:12:50 -0800
> From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
> Subject: smoking NJC
> 
> I would ask her to step outside on my patio to smoke AND I would have a
> (natural tobacco) smoke with her... she's from CA, she understands why...
> I'd suffer the next day but it'd be worth it :~}
> 
> >Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't let
anyone 
> smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her?    Believe
it or 
> not this was a little discussion Marianne and I have had.....kind of 
> silly....
> 
> Bree<
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:20:51 -0500
> From: Victor Johnson <waytoblue@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: seatbelts NJC
> 
> I agree....the reason many laws exist (and many warning labels) are  
> because people are just stupid/and or don't care about themselves or  
> anyone else.  If everybody had common sense and knew how to live in  
> peace without bothering anyone else we wouldn't have a need for whole  
> lot of laws.  But I hear/read stories everyday that are appalling or  
> just stupid...like the man in Florida who went swimming in a lake at  
> 3 in the morning, had his leg bitten off by an alligator.  He told  
> police he was high on crack.
> 
> This is why we have laws.
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Kate Bennett wrote:
> 
> > There is no question seatbelts save lives in car accidents... so if  
> > it isn't
> > a law, what about the kids whose stupid parents don't buckle them  
> > in because
> > it isn't a law?... what happens to the kids whose parents die in a car
> > accident because the parents aren't wearing a seatbelt?... this  
> > particular
> > law is something that I think is a very good idea... same with  
> > helmets on
> > bikes... the safety outweighs the inconvenience or intrusion or  
> > whatever you
> > consider it to be... imo
> >
> >> Sorry I do not agree with this one...I think one of the problems  
> >> with our
> > country today is that every single time someone gets pissed about  
> > something,
> >
> > they think a law should be passed against it.  Coming from the  
> > south, and
> > now
> > living in the north, I see this as especially true in the north.    
> > Everytime
> >
> > someone sees something up here they don't like, they think it  
> > should  be
> > "against the law."  I don't think the government has any business   
> > telling a
> > man he
> > has to wear a helmet on a bike, nor do they have any business  telling
> > someone
> > who rides in a car that they have to wear a seatbelt.  I  think  
> > that person
> > has the right to not wear one if they want to.<
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:27:26 -0500
> From: Victor Johnson <waytoblue@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: smoking NJC
> 
> She can step outside....though if she had some funny weed with her, I  
> might take a couple of tokes...lol
> 
> Occasionally I'll go with one of my best friends to a smoky bar but I  
> have a very low tolerance for being around lots of smoke.  I did hard  
> wood flooring for two years and quit with severe breathing problems.   
> It took me over a year to recover.  I would come home feeling sick.   
> And it wasn't just the smoke but the polyeurathane and Minwax stains  
> too.
> 
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Kate Bennett wrote:
> 
> > I would ask her to step outside on my patio to smoke AND I would  
> > have a
> > (natural tobacco) smoke with her... she's from CA, she understands  
> > why...
> > I'd suffer the next day but it'd be worth it :~}
> >
> >> Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't  
> >> let anyone
> > smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her?     
> > Believe it or
> > not this was a little discussion Marianne and I have had.....kind of
> > silly....
> >
> > Bree<
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:25:56 -0500
> From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" <jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: try another (not!) njc now
> 
> I have to wonder where our (state of Ohio) priorities are though.  People
> can't smoke in public places but we don't have an annual safety check on
> automobiles.  So if the car in front of you doesn't have brake lights and
> the car behind you doesn't have any brakes at all, you can rest
assured that
> you won't ingest second hand smoke at the auto repair garage.  This is
> progress?  I'm for government protecting me from hazards but smoke
isn't at
> the top of the list.
> 
> We don't recycle cans or plastic in this state.  Don't hold us up as an
> example, Anne!
> 
> All the best,
> Jim L.
> PS, 5 months till sailing.
> 
> anne@sandstrom.com said,
> >I'm glad Ohio got its act together to ban smoking in public places. We
> have such a ban in MA.>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:33:10 -0800
> From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
> Subject: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes?
> 
> >  If you are with Joni in some cafe and she starts smoking while
talking to
> you, would you tell her to stop smoking for your sake or will you
endure it
> for the entire duration?  
>    
>   For me, I think I will endure being pillaged by her smoke rings. After
> all, its not everyday that you are in the presence of a musical deity.<
> 
> The only time I met her she was very considerate & held her cigarette
> outside & far away from anyone visiting with her... in fact it seemed like
> she held it more than actually smoked it... 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 03:35:21 -0000
> From: "Paul Headon" <paul.headon@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Joni v Carole
> 
> Hi
> 
> Del-urking to ask the question:
> 
> Tapestry or Blue . For me its bBue But very close run thing
> 
> Glad to be back posting
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul Headon
> (from Wales Land of DragonS)
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:27:49 -0500 (EST)
> From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: try another (not!) VLJC  NJC
> 
> - --- Richard Flynn <rflynn@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> > My sister had a double lung transplant over 10 years
> > ago.  She is certain
> > that secondary smoke endangered the health of all in
> > our house, and probably
> > predisposed us to start smoking in the first place. 
> 
> I think that if one of the parents smokes, the kids
> often start too. If both parents smoke, it's almost a
> certainty. My mother was a smoker. Both my brother and
> I used to smoke, but we both quit ages ago. My older
> sister never smoked. The two younger ones both smoke
> like chimneys, and one of their husbands will wake up
> in the middle of the night to have a smoke and in the
> morning sounds like he's coughing up a lung - which,
> no doubt, he is. Their three kids smoke, and one of my
> other sister's two kids smokes as well. They all
> started very young.
> 
> > See her picture here:
> >
> http://www.transplantbuddies.org/images/pix.html#kathryn
> > 
> > 
> > And read her stories here:
> >  http://www.2ndwind.org/members/kathryn_flynn.html
> > 
> >  http://www.2ndwind.org/about/board.html 
> > 
> > <Scroll to vice president>
> > 
> > She has since completed that master's degree and is
> > a special educator of
> > blind children in Raleigh. 
> > 
> > So please stay away from that smoke!
> > 
> 
> That puts a real face on people who have received and
> given the gift of life. I know people who have
> received a kidney transplant and others who are
> waiting. Signing an donor card is great, but just
> doing that or saying in your will that you're an organ
> donor isn't enough. You have to make sure your family
> members all know that that's your wish and be sure
> they will respect it. If you should die, by the time
> they find your organ donor card, it may be too late.
> By the time they read your will, it will definitely be
> too late.
> 
> Catherine 
> Toronto
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:45:37 -0500
> From: "Cassy" <Siquomb@Comcast.net>
> Subject: River on TV tonight
> 
> At the end of ER tonight they played "River" in it's entirety...   not
Joni's
> version but what a treat.
> 
> Cassy
> 
> NP:  Staind with Fred Durst - Outside
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:06:15 -0800
> From: "Richard Goldman" <richard2sf@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: "Borat"-extremly funny movie! [ABSOLUTELY NJC] now
SHORTBUS [also NJC whatsoever]
> 
> Bene,
> 
> Shortbus I absolutely loved.
> It is a sweet heartsong and love gift to New York City still trembling
after
> 9/11/01.
> That I knew in the five years it took to reach the screen, about the
> creation process this film had, only adds to my appreciation for it.
> Justin Bond shines so brightly.
> The Ed Koch/former mayor of NYC scenes made me cry.
> Some scenes made me laugh from my soul.
> I love John Cameron Mitchell and think and feel he is a genius, and
Shortbus
> is his latest and greatest gift to us.
> This film, definitely not for the nudity or sexually graphic-squeamish
among
> us, is well worth seeing on the big screen, rather than DVD... in my
humble
> opinion.
> 
> ~Richard
> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:48:52 +0000
> From: missblux@googlemail.com
> Subject: njc "Borat"-extremly funny movie!
> 
> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:05:30 -0800
> From: "Richard Goldman" <richard2sf@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: "Borat"-extremly funny movie! [ABSOLUTELY NJC]
> 
> I may be in the minority, but I found this Sacha Baron Cohen endeavor
> juvenile, and somewhat boring.
> Maybe I'm a jaded San Francisco queer, but for me there was nothing even
> remotely as funny and  Candid Camera-esque as he tried to be.  His
character
> became annoying, and redundant, his side-kick irrelevant, and there
was way
> too much filler between 'reality' scenes.  Wait for the DVD, if I were
you.
> ~Richard
> 
> - - ---------------
> Hi Richard,
> 
> maybe you are a jaded San Francisco queer, but you are nothing as
> negative about Baron-Cohen as I am!
> 
> I have never liked this sense of humour. I don't think there is
> anything surprising or scary or revealing about people's reactions,
> and I find it somehow sadistic the way he manipulates them into
> awkward situations. I find that the manipulation is a double one,
> because he also manages to manipulate his audience to think that this
> is funny. He makes cowboys sing songs about jews, and then he makes us
> laugh about it. He embarrasses a couple by saying the wife is not
> attractive, but they lack the courage to tell him to fuck of, and we
> are supposed to laugh? It's clever but I think it's wrong! He sweeps
> his audience away the same way he tricks people.
> 
> I have to say, uhm, that I have only watched a few episodes of Da Ali
> G, and seen trailers from Borat on TV. It was enough to make me not
> want to see the film.
> 
> I have been wanting to hear what people on this list would think, I've
> had this feeling that SURELY they won't like it... but if they do
> maybe I should go.....?
> 
> But I watched Shortbus this Friday and was very impressed! There are
> weak points at places in the story, but well done!!
> 
> Bene
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:05:17 +0000
> From: "Walt Zen" <waltzenfree@hotmail.com>
> Subject: FW: try another (not!) njc now
> 
> Interseting thread
>   I stayed after the second day tapeing of the
> Painting with Words in Burbank and Ms Mitchell
> had come back to the stage. She was standing
> there looking for an ash tray to put she cig
> out. I saw a plastic cup asked her the butt and
> put in in the cup. Belive me if she were at your
> home I doubt you would notice her second smoke.
> PS. She is free with her hugs.
> 
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> 
> >Interseting thread
> >  I stayed after the second day tapeing of the
> >Painting with Words in Burbank and Ms Mitchell
> >had come back to the stage. She was standing
> >there looking for an ash tray to put she cig
> >out. I saw a plastic cup asked her for the butt and
> >put in in the cup. Belive me if she were at your
> >home I doubt you would notice her second smoke.
> >PS. She is free with her hugs.
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:23:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: "anne@sandstrom.com" <anne@sandstrom.com>
Subject: re: Rolling Thunder (njc)

I can't imagine why I didn't go to the show in Cambridge.

But I do recall seeing Ronne Blakely at Passim in Harvard Square a 
number of times. I can still hear her singing her song "Gabriel." And I 
think she had a sort of honky-tonk style song called "Growing Up is 
Hardest to Do." (I don't think that was Megan McDonough - I think she 
sang "My Sister Dolores" and "The Ring That Turned My Finger Green.")

Whew, you never know what you'll stumble upon rummaging around in the 
attic of the mind!

lots of love,
Anne

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:56:53 -0800
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC

What about rights of people who work there, such as bartenders &
musicians... aren't their rights to a healthy environment being jeopardized
in places where smoking is allowed? Of course they can find other work (&
some I know did when the smoke environment became intolerable prior to the
nonsmoking ban here in CA) but then so can the business owner do the same...
so the whole liberty thing gets muddy because in the end you have to pick
which person you think should have the liberty to do as they please... 

Bree >But liberty is another matter...the bigger picture for me ..are the
rights of business owners being trampled on?     If no smoking bars don't
lose business..then why don't people open up a non-smoking bars only? <  

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:27:46 -0500
From: "Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

Because we are grownups here.. and we can take are own cans to the 
dump/recycling place. ..without big daddy/government forcing us.  ;-)     
But being serious for a minute....Jim mentioned... there are no mandatory 
automobile checks.  Well..I know when I need a headlight or 
brakes..tires......braking light... turn signal....I think most people are 
responsible enough to do this on their own.     Isn't a lot of the e-checks 
and mandatory auto checks just another way  for a state to get more revenue? 
    I think in the state of NY...it costs about forty bucks to get your car 
checked..and it must be done every year.    My car still has Ohio tags on it 
because....after two years.....because I just don't want to give in to this 
confiscation racket.    It looks to me..just from casual observance.. that 
most cars on the road aren't that old...the majority of them being models 
from 2000 on up...in light...do states really need automobile checks ..every 
year.. for every single car?

Bree

>Jim wrote:
>
> > I have to wonder where our (state of Ohio) priorities are though.
>
> > We don't recycle cans or plastic in this state.  Don't hold us up as an
> > example, Anne!
>
>Ever considered MOVING FROM Ohio, Jim??
>
>If not, why not?
>
>Lori
>Santa Rosa, CA

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:53:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

- --- Bree Mcdonough <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Because we are grownups here.. and we can take are
> own cans to the 
> dump/recycling place. ..without big daddy/government
> forcing us.  ;-)    

It's inconvenient, if not next to impossible, for some
people to do this. The dump could be miles away and
they may not own cars.  In Toronto, every household,
including apartments, and most workplaces have
recycling programs. You simply put the recyclable
items (cans, bottles, paper, plastics) in the
recycling bin and the rest of it goes in the garbage.
There is even the "green bin" - where you can put
anything organic, including icky things like leftover
meat, dog poop, cat litter, as well as plant materials
- - and this stuff is collected, brought to a recycling
plant, microwaved or subject to intense heat or
something to kill off bacteria, and then turned into
compost. (The organic recycling so far is only to
single-family dwellings, since it's difficult to put
in place in a multi-family dwelling such as an
apartment building because of vermin.)

No one can force you to recycle (at present) and there
are still people who will toss beer garbage by the
roadside because they couldn't be arsed to bring them
to the next recycling bin, but, if you make it easy
for people to recycle, you have a higher complaince
rate and it becomes second nature.


> But being serious for a minute....Jim mentioned...
> there are no mandatory 
> automobile checks.  Well..I know when I need a
> headlight or 
> brakes..tires......braking light... turn signal....I
> think most people are 
> responsible enough to do this on their own.    
> Isn't a lot of the e-checks 
> and mandatory auto checks just another way  for a
> state to get more revenue? 
>     I think in the state of NY...it costs about
> forty bucks to get your car 
> checked..and it must be done every year.    My car
> still has Ohio tags on it 
> because....after two years.....because I just don't
> want to give in to this 
> confiscation racket.    It looks to me..just from
> casual observance.. that 
> most cars on the road aren't that old...the majority
> of them being models 
> from 2000 on up...in light...do states really need
> automobile checks ..every 
> year.. for every single car?
> 

I don't know about NY but, if you're talking about
emissions testing, in Ontario, it's only every second
year and the province doesn't get the revenue from
this - it's the dealerships and garages that do this
and get paid for it.  It did bother me, when I owned a
car, that, when it was three years old (actually, I
hadn't HAD it three years at the time), I was made to
get a clean-air check on a fairly new vehicle, and
that this law applies only to automobiles and not to
trucks, buses and so on that are emitting stinky
exhaust fumes and that look and sound like they
haven't had any work done in 20 years and are on the
verge of blowing up.

Call me naive, but don't most people check their cars
to make sure lights and horns are working? Here they
have progams that will do spot-checks and will pull
cars over to check to see if they've got this and
that, but mostly it's to catch people who have been
drinking. They do this around Christmas time, as a
rule, but sometimes on long weekends as well.

If you have a signal light that's not working or
certain other noticeable things (like no license
plates or an expired one), the cops can pull you over
and give you a ticket, but most of the time, they'll
just tell you a light is out and tell you to get it
fixed. If it's an expired license plate (those birth
date stickers), they will usually give you a ticket.


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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:53:59 -0500
From: "Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC

timtimberty  ;-0    But why couldn't I come to the smokeless bar/club to see 
you play?   In other words ..you would only play at the non-smoke place and 
the other musician . she or he could choose..the smoke filled.. ..Joe 
Blow's?      Sounds like a happy medium to me.

: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:56:53 -0800
>
>What about rights of people who work there, such as bartenders &
>musicians... aren't their rights to a healthy environment being jeopardized
>in places where smoking is allowed? Of course they can find other work (&
>some I know did when the smoke environment became intolerable prior to the
>nonsmoking ban here in CA) but then so can the business owner do the 
>same...
>so the whole liberty thing gets muddy because in the end you have to pick
>which person you think should have the liberty to do as they please...
>
>Bree >But liberty is another matter...the bigger picture for me ..are the
>rights of business owners being trampled on?     If no smoking bars don't
>lose business..then why don't people open up a non-smoking bars only? <

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:01:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Em <emzdogz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

I have to say I agree with you on this one, Bree. The one good thing
Jeb Bush did here in FL was get rid of emissions testing. It comes back
around every few years and then goes away agin. Doesn't seem to help
there being crummy cars. People just use quick stop-gaps to fix and
then a month later its messed up again.
Its like Jesus said "there will always be poor" - and so, there will
always be clunkers.
I'd rather see a cop pull over a car that's streaming black smoke and
cite them, than have to make every single person schlep to the
inspection place.
As far as vehicle mechanical condition...we've never had those, and I
am glad. Well I think back in the 60's we did. I remember going with my
Dad to get our old MG TF inspected and my job was to secretly touch
this screw with a screwdriver to make the horn blow while my dad pushed
the horn on the wheel to make it appear that was activating the horn.
Em
ps: the other thing is that the emissions testing didn't apply to
diesel trucks! which spew the most black sooty smoke!

- --- Bree Mcdonough <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Because we are grownups here.. and we can take are own cans to the 
> dump/recycling place. ..without big daddy/government forcing us.  ;-)
>     
> But being serious for a minute....Jim mentioned... there are no
> mandatory 
> automobile checks.  Well..I know when I need a headlight or 
> brakes..tires......braking light... turn signal....I think most
> people are 
> responsible enough to do this on their own.     Isn't a lot of the
> e-checks 
> and mandatory auto checks just another way  for a state to get more
> revenue? 
>     I think in the state of NY...it costs about forty bucks to get
> your car 
> checked..and it must be done every year.    My car still has Ohio
> tags on it 
> because....after two years.....because I just don't want to give in
> to this 
> confiscation racket.    It looks to me..just from casual observance..
> that 
> most cars on the road aren't that old...the majority of them being
> models 
> from 2000 on up...in light...do states really need automobile checks
> ..every 
> year.. for every single car?

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:11:37 -0800
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: RE: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC

(Banana fanna fo figgerty lol)- 

Reality check- back in the day before the ban here in CA there were no
smokeless bars- nobody every volunteered this that I know of & so as a
musician you either suffered through it (no windows or doors in some of
those rooms which made it worse) or quit playing music- that is the reality
of how it was- as a musician you need a lot of venues to play in to make
anything even close to being considered a living... 

To now-  although there may be such places in states where smoking isn't
banned, in my travels over the more recent past there was only one or two
places that I recall (bluebird cafi Nashville & I think also eddies attic
Atlanta) where smoking wasn't allowed inside- but these were not bars they
were orientated towards music listening... after a week in music city -where
most of the venues allowed smoking- I got really sick- I had to leave one
night before I had the chance to play because my lungs were in incredible
pain... 

I used to smoke & never really noticed how physically difficult it can be to
remain in a smokey room until years after I quit...

>timtimberty  ;-0    But why couldn't I come to the smokeless bar/club to
see 
you play?   In other words ..you would only play at the non-smoke place and 
the other musician . she or he could choose..the smoke filled.. ..Joe 
Blow's?      Sounds like a happy medium to me.<

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:30:06 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

We had a Governor in SC (David Beasley) who ran and was elected on a "get 
rid of the auto inspection" thing. It was pretty much of a farce; if you 
knew the right service stations to go to, you could go and bribe them and 
they'd give you a sticker for your smoking clunker. It was a major pain 
for the 80% of us that played by the rules (but then again, isn't it 
always?).

The bottom line is that people who are going to be responsible for their 
cars will be and those that ain't, ain't.

As for the smoking thing, Greenville goes smoke-free on January 1 - I 
can't wait. Mrs. SCJoniguy & I go to an Irish pub every Tuesday for trivia 
night, and the smoke is awful. It'll be so nice to come home and not have 
to strip down and shower the stink out - plus, there ARE a couple of 
locations that we don't go because of the smoke that we WILL start going 
to when they become smoke-free. 

Thankfully, my favorite local live music location (The Handlebar) has been 
smoke free since day 1.

Bob

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:54:45 +0000
From: waytoblue@comcast.net
Subject: Re: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC

Actually in Asheville there are several no smoking bar/music venues.  Grey Eagle and Jack of the Woods to name a couple and they have no problem doing business.  People go outside to smoke and don't have a problem with it.  I wish more places would follow their example.

When I go to a smoking bar not long after I get there my eyes start burning and I end up having to leave.

Victor




> Bree >But liberty is another matter...the bigger picture for me ..are the 
> rights of business owners being trampled on? If no smoking bars don't 
> lose business..then why don't people open up a non-smoking bars only? < 

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:04:44 +0000
From: missblux@googlemail.com
Subject: BSN - my respects! And a question about crows

Some time ago we discussed Jonis late work mostly Travelogue and Both
Sides Now. My friend just returned BSN to me, after almost two years
of borrowing it. I can only say again how impressed I am with this CD,
and how I prefer it to TLog.

I wish I understood music better, because I just lack the insight to
say what it is. But it is something about Jazz that is so structured
and so high flying at the same time. I think it suits her  mature
voice so well. It's as if she has a really tight but bouncy frame, and
she can put all that Joni emotion, the sadness and the tenderness and
the youthful rebelliousness, into it and stretch it without its losing
its form. Like some tightropewalker who performs the most dramatic
moves but always knows exactly where to put her feet, that is how I
think she moves on that CD.

Oh! Its beautiful! ! In contrast, I find that many of the songs on
TLog are strangely frameless. Maybe it's because I've listened to too
much jazz...?

Finally, a question: does anyone know why are there crows or similar
birds on I Wish I Were in Love Again? Every time I hear the song I am
vaguely reminded of other places I have lived, because I always think
for a moment that the crows are outside my window and not in the song.
So I remember myself sitting in some other room(s) thinking, oh we
have birds here!

They _are_ birds, aren't they?????

(In German, when someone 'has a bird', it means they have a bee in
their bonnet...hmmm...)

Best to all,

Bene

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:49:09 -0800
From: "Lori Fye" <lrfye58@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

Bree saif, of why annoyed/disappointed Ohioans won't move from Ohio:

> Because we are grownups here.. and we can take are own cans to the
> dump/recycling place. ..without big daddy/government forcing us.  ;-)

Who said anything about forcing?  Would it be too much to ask that bins be
provided for recycling?  Actually, having grown up in Ohio and having gone
back to visit many times since leaving in 1976, my impression is that most
Ohioans really just don't care about recycling.  If they did, they would ask
for bins so they could recycle.

Between that and the unbelievably unhealthy food that so many Ohioans eat, I
am truly amazed that smoking in public places there has been banned.

> But being serious for a minute....Jim mentioned... there are no mandatory
> automobile checks.  Well..I know when I need a headlight or
> brakes..tires......braking light... turn signal....I think most people are
> responsible enough to do this on their own.

I disagree.  I think at least 1/3 of the people anywhere will blow off doing
what's supposed to be done unless they're made to do it.  I can honestly
count myself in this group.  It's not that we're purposely trying to break
the law, it's more about procrastinating and hoping our luck (or
tires, brakes, and light bulbs) will hold out.

Pass the Sugardale ham, would you?   ; )

Lori
Santa Rosa, CA

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:51:59 -0800
From: "Lori Fye" <lrfye58@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: the missing digests - njc

Mia asked:

> And how come I can no longer find the discussion list archives?

I don't know.  They're right here, where they've always been:

http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/

Lori
Santa Rosa, CA

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:36:19 -0500
From: "Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

>Pass the Sugardale ham, would you?   ; )

Could I have some pintos and cornbread with that?


>Lori
>Santa Rosa, CA

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:55:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" <jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged

In my opinion, the author of the Wikipedia article
underestimates how many dates included Joni.  They
said she joined in New England (which sounds right to
me).

Simon lists 
http://www.jonimitchell.com/chronology/
shows Nov 13, 1975 in New Haven CT (2 shows).  That's
the way the Revue was booked in some cities.  Then he
has her in Niagara Falls, New York.  I saw Joni at the
2nd show of "The Rolling Thunder Revue" at Rochester,
New York's War Memorial on Nov 17, 1975.  

The string of dates ended at "The Night of the
Hurricane Madison Square Garden".

So, I'm not a betting man, but I'd say she played in
14 cities, in 16 evenings.

Jim L.
Dayton, OH

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:02:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: liberty shmiberty ;~} NJC

- --- waytoblue@comcast.net wrote:

> Actually in Asheville there are several no smoking
> bar/music venues.  Grey Eagle and Jack of the Woods
> to name a couple and they have no problem doing
> business.  People go outside to smoke and don't have
> a problem with it.  I wish more places would follow
> their example.
> 
> When I go to a smoking bar not long after I get
> there my eyes start burning and I end up having to
> leave.
> 
> Victor
> 

A few years ago, I saw Rickie Lee Jones at a place
called The Phoenix here in Toronto. I don't really
understand how these various places are licensed, but
I guess the Phoenix is licensed as a bar (that also
has bands and sometimes dancing). So smoking was
allowed then. However, Ms Jones requested that there
be no smoking while she was performing and so no one
was allowed to smoke. That was great for us
non-smokers. 

And now all these establishments are supposed to be
smoke-free, so you'd need to go outside to light up.
When I say "supposed to be", I'm sure there are places
that still "allow" smoking (even though it's illegal,
but they don't care) but they're mostly dives and you
probably wouldn't want to go there anyway unless you
wanted a knife in your back or something - which you'd
probably get if you asked someone to put out their
cigarette.

Despite bar-owners bitching that they were going to
lose business, I don't hear any of them complaining
now that the law has passed. 

Catherine 
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:11:16 -0600
From: Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>
Subject: Here's the news (NJC)

Happy Holidays Everybody-
    Well I have been teasing for a long time with big news and finally after
a wonderful week off in Aruba and I prepared to spill the frijoles. Last
Friday I met with my boss to give my resignation to Pyramid Audio after 13+
years of service. Simply it was just time to move on. For the past several
months I have been being courted by Mr. Ben Jaffe of the Preservation Hall.
He wanted to hire me to be the Tour Manger for the band doing 200 dates a
year around the world. I was so flattered at that alone, but I resisted
cause I cannot be away from my boys for that much time a year. Pres Hall is
a landmark jazz club at the forefront of preserving New Orleans culture. He
also started a fund called New Orleans Musicians Hurricane Relief Fund
(NOMHRF) which is now morphing into a new project called renew orleans
Foundation. There are two bands, one stays here and plays the hall (right
next door to Pat O'Briens on St. Peter in the Quarter and the touring band).
SO, he came up with an alternative offer. Be the Tour Manger with the band
and tour as much as I want and hire an asst. to train and go out when I
can't or don't want to AND be the Director of the renew orleans Project. I
was stunned. Anyone who knows me knows that this is a dream come true for
me. The foundation work alone is what I am meant to do to repay New Orleans
for all I have received over the years and working with the band on the road
and being able to see the world.... Somebody hold me down!
Anyways a press release is coming this week which I will post. I will be in
NYC from Dec 27-Jan 1 at the Jazz Standard where I will get my sea legs with
the band. The family will be coming with me to spend New Years in the big
city. Then we start a tour in late January in Alabama very close to a couple
of my bitches over der in Birmingham and we are coming to a town near you so
come out and see me. I will be on a tour of the UK in July and a date or two
in Ireland so heads up Brits!!!!!!
Also I will be in LA from January 15-21 finishing up the music for a movie I
am working on about Katrina and attending the NAMM show in Anaheim.
Hope everyone is doing well and may you have a blessed holiday season. Love
to all!

Paz (sippinanna Gordons extra chilly and a little dirty)

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:27:50 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" <jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now

Nah, I got a woman now and I think of myself as an Ohioan.  I went to school
here, and missed it when I lived in Rochester, NY (hi Marianne) and in
Northern Kentucky (metro Cincinnati).  There's just enough water for
sailing.  If Joni tours, Detroit is only 5 hours away.  If I have broadband,
I'm happy.  That ol' depression has finally let go of me.  (And this is
December, the darkest of the dark days.)  How's Santa Rosa this time of
year?

All the best,
Jim L.


Jim wrote:
>> I have to wonder where our (state of Ohio) priorities are though.>>

Lori, herself an Ohio ex-patriot (I think) said,
>Ever considered MOVING FROM Ohio, Jim??
>If not, why not?

>Santa Rosa, CA

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