From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #470 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 470 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Moni Kellermann ] The River flows ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Dinner with Joni [Patti Witten ] NJC now Re: "A horse with no name ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Cactus Tree [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Bob Muller ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Smurf ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged ["ron" ] NJC Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Smurf ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Doug ] Re: predisposition, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged [Catherine McKay ] Re: try another (not!) njc now ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC [Bob Muller ] RE: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Hi folks. I've been quite sick this weekend so not much energy to do anything active. I have taken advantage of the situation by spending a quiet Sunday afternoon repackaging the Rolling Thunder Revue of Joni's performance into a CD package. It was difficult to pin down the actual dates but according to Wikipedia, Joni joined the tour in the northeast in December, 1975. She performed at 3 concerts. The sets were very similar so, it seems like the tracks are repeated but these are all three sets. I have designed a CD cover to go with it and numbered the tracks so you can keep track of the sets. I just couldn't pin down the three actual dates. The total time comes to just over 60 minutes so, it will fit nicely on a CD. Even though this is not a full Joni concert, I think it is an important performance of hers. Firstly, she introduces her new song, Coyote which she says she wrote while on the tour bus. Her performances of the other songs are quite unique too, especially, the first track, Shadows & Light. While searching for specific information, I read that Sam Shepherd accompanied them to document the tour for a book. This brought me back to a discussion a while ago about who Coyote was written about. The consensus seemed to point to him. That makes sense to me now. With so many talented people on the tour, I guess Sam couldn't keep his hands to himself. I wonder if the "woman down the hall" was Joan Baez. Joni, having joined the tour so late may have been the inspiration for the line, "I just get off up a ways. You just picked up a hitcher, a prisoner of the freeway". Anyway, if you would like the package, you can download it here: http://download.yousendit.com/49DB126B232D8300 I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Les for uploading the Green Flag Song series. What a treat for those of us too far away from LA to be able to see this exhibition. It occurred to me that this may be the name of Joni's new album. Just a thought. Mark in Sydney NP Shadows & Light (Rolling Thunder Revue) - Joni PS Be sure to check out the new wallpapers I've just uploaded on to jmdl.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:52:05 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree My pleasure. Yes, she met David just around that time too. "not hard to imagine guys falling in love with the Joan" indeed. Yes, I'm a member of that Cactus Tree club too... Ah, but I was too young. - ------------------------ > Thanks for the snapshot, Pat. > It must have been weird for her.... > It's not hard to imagine guys falling in love with the Joan...I think it's > happened to a few on this list : ) > It also happened to David Crosby, noted sailor and Californian: > Theres a man whos been out sailing > In a decade full of dreams > And he takes her to a schooner > And he treats her like a queen [Guinnevere] > Bearing beads from California [buds from CA?] > With their amber stones and green [colors of same] > He has called her from the harbor ["down the slope to the > He has kissed her with his freedom harbor where I lay..."] He has heard her off to starboard > In the breaking and the breathing > Of the water weeds > While she was busy being free ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:46:52 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Mark-Leon Thorne schrieb: > Anyway, if you would like the package, you can download it here: > http://download.yousendit.com/49DB126B232D8300 "You must be logged in to download this file." Could somebody please share this download somewhere I don't need to register? The web is currently full of free download sites which don't require registration, so why use that one that does so? http://www.fileho.com is very fast.. and there are others like Megaupload, Turboupload etc. etc. I really appreciate all the work that went into creating those files but I still don't want to register everywhere (same goes for all those Kodak Galleries that I cannot view without registering - there are register-free alternatives...). Kind regards, moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: The River flows Sarah M. just sang River on Good Morning America. This time she stood at the microphone with a full band. I prefer her version on Conan with just her at the piano, but this was lovely, nonetheless. I would say with her new Grammy nomination, this would be THE Christmas song of the year. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:38:49 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Dinner with Joni I think this is a fantastic article. Leaving aside the whole magical TV thing, this piece is germane to the jonilist. We don't really need to talk more about how fabulous Joni is, although it's interesting to watch her progress and to hear her words (songs). Rather, we are really talking about our own progress as fans. After all what are we doing here? It's about our experience as fans. This is the heart of the matter: > When vulnerability bleeds out over the sharp edges of fame, when our heroes > appear to like us even a fraction as much as we like them, we can find > ourselves paralyzed by the delusion that we are no longer a fan, but a > friend. That's so true. I recognize this phenomenon in myself whenever I am in the orbit of a "star" -- it makes me nervous. And now I am in danger of feeling as thought the writer, Meghan Daum, is my new friend! > But if there's anything I've learned from listening to her over the years, > it's that if you don't write from a place of excruciating candor, you've > written nothing. No truer words. Patti - -- Website http://pattiwitten.com Pandora http://tinyurl.com/ybobxp Apple iTunes http://tinyurl.com/ula47 MySpace http://myspace.com/pattiwitten CD Baby http:cdbaby.com//all/pattiwitten ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:49:24 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: NJC now Re: "A horse with no name Kate Bennett said >>... I love traveling throughplaces that songs are written about... when I went to galveston, of course I was singing that song in my head... recently drove near lodi (singing the song of course)... used to drive through upstate new york to Vermont (okay that isn't exactly what the song is about but...) singing sweet baby james...when I visited the southeast many moons ago there were so many song places from old folk tunes...<< Curiouser and curiouser. I received a mail from Kate yesterday when I was burning her 'Over the Moon' to a compilation I'm making, including the missing digest 461 (465 still missing). And today I'm checking the recording (more than 100 mp3 tracks) and as I read the above mail Kate's voice pops out of the speakers. Nice one. As for my travels in the USA I was amazed to see so many place names that I always associated with songs, having no idea if the places were real or not. Obviously some places I knew were places, but Tucumcari and Winslow were surprises for me. San Antonio TX to San Francisco CA was a lovely drive. mike in bcn, hoping for more surprises in March/April 2007. NP - Moorlough Shore - Geraldine McEwan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cactus Tree - --- "P. Henry" wrote: > My pleasure. Yes, she met David just around that > time too. "not hard to > imagine guys falling in love with the Joan" indeed. > Yes, I'm a member of > that Cactus Tree club too... Ah, but I was too > young. > Which one are you? ;-) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Hi Mark - sorry to hear that you've been sick & hope you're rebounding from that. Thanks a million for this collection - what I've heard sounds great and your artwork is superb as always. I don't have all the details on that Rolling Thunder tour - but I know that Joni played Boston, Toronto (2 shows) & MSG in NYC. And I've been convinced that Sam is the elusive coyote, just too much evidence out there to ignore. Thanks too for the new wallpapers - I haven't checked them out yet but I need to change mine out so I'll go pick one out. Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote" (live on the Rolling Thunder tour) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged - --- Bob Muller wrote: > but I know that Joni played > Boston, Toronto (2 shows) & > MSG in NYC. Wrongo, music cover boy. I don't mean to nitpick, but technically Joni did not perform at that time in Boston. Rolling Thunder actually played across the Charles River in Cambridge at the old Harvard Square Theater, when it was one big auditorium -- before it was chopped up into little megaplex-type theaters. I know because I was there! Thanks, Mark. I am looking forward to listening to these recordings. - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:31 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged hi > Mark-Leon Thorne wrote >> Anyway, if you would like the package, you can download it here: >> http://download.yousendit.com/49DB126B232D8300 > > "You must be logged in to download this file." >>>moni replied > Could somebody please share this download somewhere I don't need to > register? thanks for the music & artwork mark moni & others can go here for the non log in version http://fileho.com/download/36f152158118/Rolling-Thunder-Revue-Joni-Mitchell.zip.html ron np - this land is your land - rolling thunder revue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:11:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Thanks for the correction - I'm not sure that I knew you were there. Any good stories to tell? Perhaps YOU are Coyote? Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "Drama" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC now Re: "A horse with no name" along those lines, a big one for me would be to go from "Tucson to Tucumcari". Do it as a motorcycle ride. Get a small tattoo to commemorate. I have friends on the Tucson end - maybe it could happen. Now that I'm thinking about it, there are tons and tons and tons of city/town names in songs. wow! Two "Mendocino" songs, even. Em :) ps: I always sing "Doraville" to myself going through Atlanta "touch of country in the city!" - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >When I hitchhiked through North America, I looked for a few of these > > iconic places I'd heard about in Joni's and America's songs. I was > dismayed to find that the Ventura Highway is now a freeway. Also that > > hitchhiking was illegal on freeways. So much for the dream.< > > it was a freeway back then too... highway 101... I don't know if > anyone ever > called it ventura highway (well maybe when it was first built > whenever that > was) but it is a nice romantic name for a song... I love traveling > through > places that songs are written about... when I went to galveston, of > course I > was singing that song in my head... recently drove near lodi (singing > the > song of course)... used to drive through upstate new york to Vermont > (okay > that isn't exactly what the song is about but...)singing sweet baby > james... > when I visited the southeast many moons ago there were so many song > places > from old folk tunes... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged My memory is shot, Bob. What I remember most about this concert was Dylan appearing at the beginning in white-face, mime-type make-up, Joan Baez singing "Diamonds and Rust" beautifully, and Ronee Blakely -- I think that's how her name is spelled -- from Altman's "Nashville" making her first and last live appearance in my life. At that point I was hopelessly addicted to "Blue" and living out the "all romantics meet the same fate someday" part of it. What I mostly (vaguely) remember about Joni's performance was being disappointed that she didn't do more old stuff that I knew. What a piece of work I've always been! And no, I am not Coyote -- Paz is. - --Smurf . - --- Bob Muller wrote: > > > Thanks for the correction - I'm not sure that I > knew you were there. Any good stories to tell? > Perhaps YOU are Coyote? > > Bob > NP: Erykah Badu, "Drama" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:18:41 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree ;o) Well, her name was definitely on all my papers and I most assuredly found it hard to shake her From my memory and, yes, I laughed inside her laughter but, alas, because of my youth, 17yrs to her 22, mine was an unspoken love, an impossible crush, all the more agonizing for the many hours we spent together. I guess my only honorable mention would be under the heading: "and you know there may be more..." Catherine wrote" > Which one are you? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:06:27 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged ron schrieb: > moni & others can go here for the non log in version > http://fileho.com/download/36f152158118/Rolling-Thunder-Revue-Joni-Mitchell.zip.html Thank you, Ron! :D moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:37:37 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged I was at the show in Montreal. My memory of the event is a little foggy for some reason or other, but I believe she played Coyote, Amelia, and one other. I've looked at the Dylan bootleg sites for the setlist without success. Can you post the setlist for your CD? I'm on dial-up and can't easily download the whole show. Doug Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi folks. I've been quite sick this weekend so not much energy to do > anything active. I have taken advantage of the situation by spending a > quiet Sunday afternoon repackaging the Rolling Thunder Revue of Joni's > performance into a CD package. It was difficult to pin down the actual > dates but according to Wikipedia, Joni joined the tour in the northeast > in December, 1975. She performed at 3 concerts. The sets were very > similar so, it seems like the tracks are repeated but these are all > three sets. I have designed a CD cover to go with it and numbered the > tracks so you can keep track of the sets. I just couldn't pin down the > three actual dates. > > The total time comes to just over 60 minutes so, it will fit nicely on > a CD. Even though this is not a full Joni concert, I think it is an > important performance of hers. Firstly, she introduces her new song, > Coyote which she says she wrote while on the tour bus. Her performances > of the other songs are quite unique too, especially, the first track, > Shadows & Light. > > While searching for specific information, I read that Sam Shepherd > accompanied them to document the tour for a book. This brought me back > to a discussion a while ago about who Coyote was written about. The > consensus seemed to point to him. That makes sense to me now. With so > many talented people on the tour, I guess Sam couldn't keep his hands > to himself. I wonder if the "woman down the hall" was Joan Baez. Joni, > having joined the tour so late may have been the inspiration for the > line, "I just get off up a ways. You just picked up a hitcher, a > prisoner of the freeway". > > Anyway, if you would like the package, you can download it here: > http://download.yousendit.com/49DB126B232D8300 > > I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Les for uploading the Green > Flag Song series. What a treat for those of us too far away from LA to > be able to see this exhibition. It occurred to me that this may be the > name of Joni's new album. Just a thought. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Shadows & Light (Rolling Thunder Revue) - Joni > > PS Be sure to check out the new wallpapers I've just uploaded on to > jmdl.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:41:08 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: predisposition, njc Bree wrote: > Anyway..I think SOME of us are predisposed to get > certain diseases.....it doesn't matter what we did or did not do..whether > weakness in our lungs..heart..kidney's. > Hi Bree, Yes, you are right about genetic predisposition to disease, but I wouldn't want to bet it is in my favor and inhale concentrated smoke every day. Death and diseases related to smoking are ugly and painful. The risks are lower with infrequent use, but a large percentage of people seem to be predisposed toward addiction to cigarettes and can't just have an ocassional smoke and stop before becoming addicted. Life is filled with risks we don't have to take if we choose not to take them. Life would be pretty boring without the opportunity to take risks. Death is inevitable either way. So, I like to live on the edge as much as possible, milk life to the fullest so to speak. In doing so, sometimes I've ended up choosing to moderate because after doing something I found it objectionable to me for one reason or another, but I don't regret having had the experience. I've also found my own limits in experiencing addictions where I couldn't moderate some things... so these I choose to avoid now and can do so with the help of other addicts. Forced avoidance of risk isn't something I'm in favor of, and laws concerning what risks to allow are finiancially based in my opinion, not truly oriented toward "saving" people for the sake of saving people. If the goal was the later, laws would have been in place when statistics were first published; instead, the financial drain on society had to be experienced before current smoking laws started coming into being. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged From: Mark-Leon Thorne Hi folks. I've been quite sick this weekend so not much energy to do anything active. I have taken advantage of the situation by spending a quiet Sunday afternoon repackaging the Rolling Thunder Revue of Joni's performance into a CD package. I'm sorry you've been ill, Mark, but what a nice thing to do for us. Thanks! Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:11:22 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Thank you Mark...feel better soon! rosie in nj NP: our very own Gregg & Maggie Cagno, Simple Gifts,Baby It's Cold Out There a great Christmas album & they do a great cover of "River"..www.greggcagno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:25:09 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: second hand smoke, was try another (not!) NJC Patrick..as I said.. I really don't want defend smoking...it's not a feel good thing for me. Nor even the second-hand smoking debate. But liberty is another matter...the bigger picture for me ..are the rights of business owners being trampled on? If no smoking bars don't lose business..then why don't people open up a non-smoking bars only? I just think some bans are a bad idea. I wonder how many of these studies are challenged.. but yet.. will go as fact. And are any of these findings you have listed about second-hand smoke studies.. exaggerated and speculative in order for some of these studies group can get continuing funding..so they will line up their "evidence" that supports the "myths" of second-hand smoke? Does genetics play a part at all? But you know what....maybe all these studies of second-hand smoke are true. or half-truths at best..and to be honest...when I am around my grand nieces and nephews....I wouldn't dare smoke around them...I don't want them to even see me smoking. I watched my little nieces Laney and Maura the other day......Maura.. almost two ..and Laney just turned three..but anyway....I sneaked out to smoke through their kitchen door out on to their patio....I left a the door open a crack ...next thing the girls had the door open...I heard.."where are you?"...my cigarette went flying half-way across their yard....."I'm coming girls...be right in." So what I'm saying is..I do obvioulsy take some of these studeis to heart about second-hand smoking......because I just wouldn't want take the risk of injuring anyone..especially the innocent. Bree >bree, i appreciate that you wrote in again to clarify, i guess, your >"crappola" comment, but the truth is, you made that statement without >knowing what the f*k you were talking about. it might fit better with your >politics if second-hand smoking was harmless, but the inconvenient facts >are, it's very very dangerous. here's a list of known health problems: > >Increased risk of lung cancer >-- The effect of passive smoking on lung cancer has been extensively >studied. Studies from the USA (1986,[11][12] 1992,[13] 1997,[14] 2001,[15] >2003[16]), Europe (1998[17]), the UK (1998[18][19]), and Australia >(1997[20]) have consistently shown a significant increase in relative risk >among those exposed to passive smoke. >Increased risk of cancer[21] >Increased risk of heart disease[22] >Increased risk of miscarriage and birth defects[23] >Increased risk of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome)[24] >Increased risk of developing asthma, both for children[25] and >adults[26][27] >Increased risk of behavior problems in children, such as depression, >anxiety >and immaturity. [3] >Increased risk of ear infections[28] >Increased risk of allergies and death of children[29] >Worsening of asthma, allergies, and other conditions[30] > >citations: > >3^ ^ California Environmental Protection Agency: Air Resources Board, >"Proposed Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air >Contaminant" (June 24, 2005); on January 26, 2006, the Air Resources Board, >following a lengthy review and public outreach process, determined ETS to >be >a Toxic Air Contaminant (TAC). >17^ In: P Boffetta, A Agudo and W Ahrens et al., Editors, Multicenter >case-control study of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and lung >cancer in Europe, J Natl Cancer Inst 90 (1998), pp. 14401450. >18^ Report of the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health to the Chief >Medical Officer, Part II. Retrieved on 2006-07-26. >19^ Hackshaw AK. Lung cancer and passive smoking. Stat Methods Med Res. >1998 >Jun;7(2):119-36. PMID 9654638 >20^ National Health and Medical Research Council. The health effects of >passive smoking, Australian Government Publishing Service, Canberra (1997). >21^ U.S. Surgeon General's report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 2; pages 30 >- >46) >22^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 8) >23^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 5; pages >176 - 179) >24^ The U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 5; pages >180-194) >25^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 6; pages >311 - 319) >26^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 9; pages >555 - 558) >27^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 2; pages 46 >- >49) >28^ Bull, P.D. (1996). Diseases of the Ear, Nose and Throat. Blackwell >Science. ISBN 0-86542-634-1. >29^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 6; pages >376 - 380) >30^ Janson C (2004). "The effect of passive smoking on respiratory health >in >children and adults.". Int J Tuberc Lung Dis 8 (5): 510-6. PMID 15137524. > >more on risk levels: > >"In May 2006, the United States government's Center for Disease Control >issued its first new study on secondhand smoke in 20 years. Surgeon General >Richard Carmona summarized, "The health effects of secondhand smoke >exposure >are more pervasive than we previously thought. The scientific evidence is >now indisputable: secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance. It is a serious >health hazard that can lead to disease and premature death in children and >nonsmoking adults." The study estimated that living or working in a place >where smoking is permitted increases the non-smokers' risk of developing >heart disease by 25-30% and lung cancer by 20-30%. The study finds that >passive smoke also causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory >problems, ear infections and asthma attacks in children.[48]" > >48^ Marc Kaufman. "Study: Secondhand Smoke Effects Pervasive", Washington >Post, Tuesday, June 27, 2006. > >article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke > >patrick > >np - silence > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bree >Mcdonough >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:07 PM >To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; emzdogz@yahoo.com; smurfadelica@yahoo.com; >anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC > > >When I wrote crappola ...I was thinking more along the lines that a person >could possibly get lung cancer from second hand smoke....that is the strong >belief of some anti-smokers..... ..I don't think there is much evidence for >that. I grew up in house where one parent smoked..my father..and none of >us have any respiratory problems. My grandmother smoked until she >died..she was 95....(she died from complications of a hip fracture) ..I >don't think she inhaled much..would draw in and right back out again. I >have an aunt ..who is in her eighties..and has emphysema. When I spoke >to >her on the phone last...I said .."but you never smoked?" Well she sort of >did...she assured me that she smoked for a very short time when she was WAC >in the early 1940's. Anyway..I think SOME of us are predisposed to get >certain diseases.....it doesn't matter what we did or did not do..whether >weakness in our lungs..heart..kidney's. I'm thinking this is the case for >my aunt. > >I really don't want to be in the position of defending smoking...I know >it's >not a good thing...and I really don't want to smoke ever again....of >course...this is after I have my last one today sometime. I do want to >stop it completely but there are thousands of people who don't....who enjoy >it..as I still do very much.. after a meal especially...driving in a >car...but being reasonable here..for me ..the bad outweighs the good. > > >And Richard..thanks so much for passing on this inspiring story about you >sister. I wish her continued health and a long..long life to enjoy with >her daughter..and the rest of her family and friends. (I was very >touched >when she made it a goal to carry her daughter up the steps ) > >Bree > > > >Em, > > > >Contrary to what Bree says, that second hand smoke stuff is not crapola. > >Try to get our GF not to smoke in enclosed spaceswhile you are arounf, as > >you already recognize, she's jeopardizing your health. > > > >My father smoked like a chimney (about 5 packs a day); consequently all >the > >children in my family and my mother had respiratory problems--and, like a > >fool, 3 out of 4 of us ended up as smokers, including me for way too many > >years. > > > >My sister had a double lung transplant over 10 years ago. She is certain > >that secondary smoke endangered the health of all in our house, and > >probably > >predisposed us to start smoking in the first place. > > > >See her picture here: > >http://www.transplantbuddies.org/images/pix.html#kathryn > > > >And read her stories here: > > http://www.2ndwind.org/members/kathryn_flynn.html > > > > http://www.2ndwind.org/about/board.html > > > > > > > >She has since completed that master's degree and is a special educator of > >blind children in Raleigh. > > > >So please stay away from that smoke! > > > >Richard > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em > >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:01 PM > >To: Smurf; anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: try another (not!) VLJC NJC > > > >--- Smurf wrote: > > > > > I am trying to help a very good friend who's making > > > his first baby steps towards quitting now. > > > >I wish my GF would quit. > >A. because I want her to be healthy and be around for a long time and > >feel well > >B. her addiction sometimes messes me up. > >Today being just such an instance. > >I walk into the bathroom, where she has sprayed (apparently) HUGE > >amounts of perfume or cologne. > >WHOA! I immediately had the first asthma symptoms that I have felt in > >years. Its like it sucked the air right out of my lungs. Couldn't clear > >my throat. > >Then on the way into work, in the car, she SMOKES with the window shut. > >Finally I realized what was making me feel so ill and I asked her to > >just go ahead and open the window. > >And then we froze. > >Apparently, just putting the damn thing out wasn't an option. > >And now here I sit at work, feeling all flu-like. > >Achey, scratchy throat, sneezing, slightly runny nose. > >And I didn't have ANY of this til I ran into her WALL OF SMELLS this > >a.m. > >I mean I love the girl and all, but damn, its like she's trying to kill > >me. > >She should just send that perfume to North Korea, then they could give > >up their nukes knowing they have another way to off the rest of the > >world should the need arise. > >:( > >Em > >ps: sorry, that was a whine...I know. > >But I wasn't sick before. > >_________________________________________________________________ >View Athletes Collections with Live Search >http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 > _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:57:27 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Cactus Tree Hi Kate, Yeah, the term 'stalking' wasn't invented yet back then. In the archive of Joni's pics there are a couple that show her wrapped up in winter clothes trudging along on the raliroad tracks, a typical kind of promo shot for a folkie back then but to me those shots bring back the lonely Joni, from the time she broke off with Chuck on... trains, busses, planes, all alone... I remember the night she flew in from Toronto, devestated because, according to her, they had 'smashed' her Martin D28 guitar. Fortunately I also played the same model so she used mine for that weekend. As a performer yourself, I'm sure you can imagine how it was... alone on the road. Her only friends were the other musicians (who usually weren't that friendly to one another) and 'locals' at the clubs she played, those, like myself, who worked there and those perhaps who were just always there when she played... I think it was harder because while she was leaving herself open and reaching out for love and friendship she was constantly always being sought out by these guys who wanted to take her away or something. It makes me think of her beautiful "Jericho": "I'll try to keep myself open up to you That's a promise that I made to love When it was new Just like Jericho I said "Let these walls come tumbling down" I said it like I finally found the way To keep the good feelings alive I said it like it was something to strive for I'll try to keep myself open up to you And approve your self expression I need that too I need your confidence baby And the gift of your extra time In turn I'll give you mine Sweet darling it's a rich exchange It seems to me It's a warm arrangement Anyone will tell you Just how hard it is to make and keep a friend Maybe they'll short sell you Or maybe it's you Judas in the end When you just can no longer pretend That you're getting what you need Or you're giving out anything for them to grow and feed on I'll try to keep myself open up to you It gets easier and easier to do Just like Jericho Let these walls come tumbling down now Let them fall right on the ground Let all these dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me" Wow! What a song! Cheers, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- Kate wrote: Hey Pat, its so cool to have your comments on here & thanks for telling the story again (I wasn't here waaaay back in 99...lol....) ... wow, even back then she had people following her like that ... well considering her talent & beauty I guess that is no surprise... still kind of daunting & potentially creepy especially since she was a young, solo traveling woman... Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > > Hi folks. I've been quite sick this weekend so not > much energy to do > anything active. I have taken advantage of the > situation by > spending a > quiet Sunday afternoon repackaging the Rolling > Thunder Revue of > Joni's > performance into a CD package. > > I'm sorry you've been ill, Mark, but > what a nice thing to do for us. Thanks! > > Michael Flaherty Mark when he's ill accomplishes more than I do when I'm well. I feel so darned.... inadequate! Get well, Mark! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:23:20 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order of the sets right: Set One: 1. Shadows & Light 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. Woman of Heart & Mind. Set Two: 1. Coyote 2. Edith & The Kingpin 3. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 4. This Land Is Our Land (with all othe Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order of the sets right: Set One: 1. Shadows & Light 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. Woman of Heart & Mind. Set Two: 1. Coyote 2. Edith & The Kingpin 3. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 4. This Land Is Our Land (with all other performers). Set Three: 1. Woman of Heart & Mind 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. This Land Is Our Land. The information on jm.com doesn't seem to correspond to other information I have found about Joni's participation on this tour. It seems that the tour started somewhere down around Texas and headed up to the north east. Joni jumped on board around there. There was at least one show in Canada and that leg ended around December 18, 1975. The tour started up again the following Spring but, Joni did not continue. She went off to do her own shows. I am not doing too well, financially at the moment. Otherwise, I would offer to put the CD together and mail it to you. Is there some other way I can get it to you, Doug? Maybe I could post the songs individually. Mark in Sydney NP Damage - Tiefschwartz featuring Tracey Thorn On 11/12/2006, at 4:37 AM, Doug wrote: > I was at the show in Montreal. My memory of the event is a little > foggy for some reason or other, > but I believe she played Coyote, Amelia, and one other. I've looked at > the Dylan bootleg sites for the > setlist without success. Can you post the setlist for your CD? I'm on > dial-up and can't easily download > the whole show. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:47:56 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order There are at least 4 recordings that I know of. The recording with "Shadows and Light" is from Madison Square Garden New York City, New York 8 December 1975 Night of The Hurricane I I _don't_ have a recording of Joni's performance from this show. I _do_ have these: 1. JONI MITCHELL Rolling Thunder Revue Civic Center Augusta, Maine 26 November 1975 Most likely the first ever performance of "Coyote" as it was "written yesterday" 1) Edith And The Kingpin 2) Coyote 3) Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 2. Joni Mitchell Rolling Thunder Revue 1975-12-01 Toronto Woman of Heart and Mind Coyote Edith and the Kingpin Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 3. Joni Mitchell Maple Leaf Gardens Toronto, Ontario, Canada 2 December 1975 Master Audience Reel (no info on mic's or tape deck) > DAT > C > D > WAV > FLAC 01 Woman Of Heart And Mind (Joni Mitchell) 02 Coyote (Joni Mitchell) 03 Edith And The Kingpin (Joni Mitchell) 04 Don't Interrupt The Sorrow (Joni Mitchell) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:23 PM To: JMDL Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order of the sets right: Set One: 1. Shadows & Light 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. Woman of Heart & Mind. Set Two: 1. Coyote 2. Edith & The Kingpin 3. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 4. This Land Is Our Land (with all other performers). Set Three: 1. Woman of Heart & Mind 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. This Land Is Our Land. The information on jm.com doesn't seem to correspond to other information I have found about Joni's participation on this tour. It seems that the tour started somewhere down around Texas and headed up to the north east. Joni jumped on board around there. There was at least one show in Canada and that leg ended around December 18, 1975. The tour started up again the following Spring but, Joni did not continue. She went off to do her own shows. I am not doing too well, financially at the moment. Otherwise, I would offer to put the CD together and mail it to you. Is there some other way I can get it to you, Doug? Maybe I could post the songs individually. Mark in Sydney NP Damage - Tiefschwartz featuring Tracey Thorn On 11/12/2006, at 4:37 AM, Doug wrote: > I was at the show in Montreal. My memory of the event is a little > foggy for some reason or other, > but I believe she played Coyote, Amelia, and one other. I've looked at > the Dylan bootleg sites for the > setlist without success. Can you post the setlist for your CD? I'm on > dial-up and can't easily download > the whole show. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:06:08 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Here's a link for more info on the RTR tour: http://www.bjorner.com/Underground.htm Doug Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan > fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England > and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the > order of the sets right: > > Set One: 1. Shadows & Light 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin 4. Don't > Interrupt The Sorrow 5. Woman of Heart & Mind. > > Set Two: 1. Coyote 2. Edith & The Kingpin 3. Don't Interrupt The > Sorrow 4. This Land Is Our Land (with all other performers). > > Set Three: 1. Woman of Heart & Mind 2. Coyote 3. Edith & The Kingpin > 4. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 5. This Land Is Our Land. > > The information on jm.com doesn't seem to correspond to other > information I have found about Joni's participation on this tour. It > seems that the tour started somewhere down around Texas and headed up > to the north east. Joni jumped on board around there. There was at > least one show in Canada and that leg ended around December 18, 1975. > The tour started up again the following Spring but, Joni did not > continue. She went off to do her own shows. > > I am not doing too well, financially at the moment. Otherwise, I would > offer to put the CD together and mail it to you. Is there some other > way I can get it to you, Doug? Maybe I could post the songs individually. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Damage - Tiefschwartz featuring Tracey Thorn > > > On 11/12/2006, at 4:37 AM, Doug wrote: > >> I was at the show in Montreal. My memory of the event is a little >> foggy for some reason or other, >> but I believe she played Coyote, Amelia, and one other. I've looked >> at the Dylan bootleg sites for the >> setlist without success. Can you post the setlist for your CD? I'm on >> dial-up and can't easily download >> the whole show. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:48:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: try another (not!) njc now Jim wrote: > I have to wonder where our (state of Ohio) priorities are though. > We don't recycle cans or plastic in this state. Don't hold us up as an > example, Anne! Ever considered MOVING FROM Ohio, Jim?? If not, why not? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC And the most important thing about this document is that it details the fact that although she did play in Cambridge, she also played in Boston. So how does that big plate of Black Crow taste now, Fiction Boy? Hee Hee... Bob NP: Bob Mould, "Fort Knox, King Solomon" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:15:35 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Sure Doug. According to the sources I've read (Wikipedia, Bob Dylan fan site, etc) Joni joined the tour towards the end around New England and did three shows. One was possibly in Canada. I think I've got the order Here's a supplement to Mark's Joni RTR compilation: This is "Edith" and "Don't Interrupt" from the November 21, 1975 evening show at Boston (Smurf, that's Boston, not Cambridge) Music Hall. A nice recording, even compressed to .mp3 as it is here: http://download.yousendit.com/C00B7D0079F28ACF The afternoon Boston show from the same day eludes me so far, but a tape exists, and it's the one and only time on the RTR tour that Joni did Harry's House /Centerpiece. If anyone has that show in a lossless (not .mp3) version, I'd appreciate your getting in touch. Enjoy. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC - --- Muller wrote: > although she did play in > Cambridge, she also played in Boston. So how does > that big plate of Black Crow > taste now, Fiction Boy? Hee Hee... It tastes as if I am swallowing my own blood and broken teeth . . . like I've also been hit in the stomach with an iron glove that has smashed my ribs and broken things inside that go all the way to my soul. I need to go lie down now and try to remember what exactly it was that made me want to live just a few short minutes ago. - - - S m u r f . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:01:13 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged NJC So how does that big plate of Black Crow taste now, Fiction Boy? Hee Hee... Great minds think alike! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:09:50 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Thanks Richard for the extra tracks. If these tracks are from November 21, that puts Joni's introduction into track 3. I have just discovered a mistake in my track listing. Two of the songs are repeated. It took me so long to work out this sequence and now I realise I've got it all wrong. So sorry about that. My head hurts from trying to work this out. I'll have another crack at it another time. Mark in Sydney On 11/12/2006, at 1:15 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Here's a supplement to Mark's Joni RTR compilation: > > This is "Edith" and "Don't Interrupt" from the November 21, 1975 > evening > show at Boston (Smurf, that's Boston, not Cambridge) Music Hall. A > nice > recording, even compressed to .mp3 as it is here: > > http://download.yousendit.com/C00B7D0079F28ACF > > > The afternoon Boston show from the same day eludes me so far, but a > tape > exists, and it's the one and only time on the RTR tour that Joni did > Harry's > House /Centerpiece. If anyone has that show in a lossless (not .mp3) > version, I'd appreciate your getting in touch. > > Enjoy. > > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:20:34 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Repackaged Thanks Richard for the extra tracks. If these tracks are from November 21, that puts Joni's introduction into track 3. I have just discovered a mistake in my track listing. Two of the songs are repeated. It took me so long to work out this sequence and now I realise I've got it all wrong. So sorry about that. My head hurts from trying to work this out. I'll have another crack at it another time. Mark in Sydney On 11/12/2006, at 1:15 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: Here's a supplement to Mark's Joni RTR compilation: This is "Edith" and "Don't Interrupt" from the November 21, 1975 evening show at Boston (Smurf, that's Boston, not Cambridge) Music Hall. A nice recording, even compressed to .mp3 as it is here: http://download.yousendit.com/C00B7D0079F28ACF The afternoon Boston show from the same day eludes me so far, but a tape exists, and it's the one and only time on the RTR tour that Joni did Harry's House /Centerpiece. If anyone has that show in a lossless Thanks Richard for the extra tracks. If these tracks are from November 21, that puts Joni's introduction into track 3. I have just discovered a mistake in my track listing. Two of the songs are repeated. It took me so long to work out this sequence and now I realise I've got it all wrong. So sorry about that. My head hurts from trying to work this out. I'll have another crack at it another time. Mark in Sydney On 11/12/2006, at 1:15 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Here's a supplement to Mark's Joni RTR compilation: > > This is "Edith" and "Don't Interrupt" from the November 21, 1975 > evening > show at Boston (Smurf, that's Boston, not Cambridge) Music Hall. A > nice > recording, even compressed to .mp3 as it is here: > > http://download.yousendit.com/C00B7D0079F28ACF > > > The afternoon Boston show from the same day eludes me so far, but a > tape > exists, and it's the one and only time on the RTR tour that Joni did > Harry's > House /Centerpiece. If anyone has that show in a lossless (not .mp3) > version, I'd appreciate your getting in touch. > > Enjoy. > > Richard ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #470 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------