From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 469 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cactus Tree [LCStanley7@aol.com] advice on Joni 'Complete' tabs [Chuck Eisenhardt ] RE: Joni Catalog [Catherine McKay ] Re: America, Ventura Hwy, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Dinner with Joni ["imbriguy@adelphia.net" ] RE: Joni Catalog -- njc [Smurf ] RE: Joni Catalog ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni Catalog -- njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dinner with Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Dinner with Joni [Catherine McKay ] NJC now Re: "A horse with no name" ["Kate Bennett" ] Cactus Tree ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Catalog ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Cactus Tree ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Catalog -- njc ["ron" ] RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: RE : Imogen Heap - NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni Catalog -- njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: second hand smoke, was try another (not!) NJC ["patrick leader" informed. Especially when it's just her and the guitar/dulc. and maybe a > little restrained band accompaniment. > > Hello Adventurous Soul, Very beautifully put! I first heard and acquired Miles of Aisles in 2004 when Betty and I came to NY for the Jonifest. It was all such a coming alive to Joni experience for me, listening to this live Joni concert CD enroute and meeting people on the list in person... not to ignore the significant location of the fest near Woodstock. Betty and I had stopped by to visit Marianne on an out of the way to the Jonifest well worth it detour we took to western NY. Marianne, without a second thought, gave her CD of MOI to me when she found I hadn't heard it before and couldn't find it in stores in my area. So, when Betty and I and Mary from Wisconsin (who we met in Albany) drove through Woodstock for the first time on the way to Full Moon, I cranked up the MOI's version of Woodstock and had a better color-filled trip than on LSD. The reality of it all still woo's me! There's nothing like MOI and the Full Moon jonifest in my opinion. "Intimate, warm, and informed..." YES!!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 08:50:41 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: advice on Joni 'Complete' tabs Advice, please, on whether or not I should spring for a used copy I've run across of the first release of the Complete Tabs (warts and all) for $71. I would of course rather have the Complete-Complete tabs when it's released, eventually....any word on when that may be? Thanks, Chuck Eisenhardt On Friday, December 8, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Sorry to hear that Jamie, but good on ya for the part! I suppose we'll > just delay our collaboration of "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" for another > day. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jamie Zubairi > To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 8, 2006 6:08:47 AM > Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Fest Manifest > > Unfortunately I am not able to come anymore as I am now in a touring > play that will transfer to the West End in March. It's called The > Letter by Someset Maugham and stars Jenny 'Woman Of Substance' > Seagrove and Anthony 'Brideshead Revisited' Andrews. I play Jenny's > headservant and help her directly after she has killed someone in her > house. > > Based on a true incident in Malaya (former Malaysia, where I'm from, > hence I can speak the language) > > Jamie > > Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > > > Here's a list from September 6: xo Jenny > > Yes here it is... > > > > Ken (_PassScribe@ ... _ (mailto:PassScribe@. ..) ) New York > > Donna (_djb@..._ (mailto: djb@...) ) TX > > Holli ( _polysemous1@ ..._ (mailto: polysemous1@ ...) ) NJ > > Alice ( _alicejbrown@ ..._ (mailto:alicejbrown@ ... ) ) MI > > Sue (_scam1@... _ (mailto:scam1@...) ) MI > > Chuck ( _chuck@..._ (mailto: chuck@...) ) MA > > Jenny ( _jrgoodspeed@ ..._ (mailto:jrgoodspeed@ ... ) ) MA > > ron (_flopit@... _ (mailto:flopit@...) ) South Africa > > Mags (_magsie_h@.. ._ (mailto: magsie_h@...) ) Canada > > Lucy ( _aurabright@ ..._ (mailto: aurabright@. ..) ) England > > Les ( _lesirvin@.. ._ (mailto:lesirvin@... ) ) CO > > Craig (_cactustreemotel@ ... _ (mailto:cactustreemotel@ ... ) ) TX > > Jody (_johnsonjs100@ ... _ (mailto:johnsonjs100@ ... ) ) NH > > patrick (_pleader@... _ (mailto:pleader@...) ) - new york, ny > > Chris (chris@...) - England > > Garret (_garret@..._ (mailto: garret@...) ) -Ireland > > Catherine ( anima_rising@ ...) - Canada > > Bob ( scjoniguy@.. .) - SC > > Smurf (Bob) ( _smurfadelica@ ..._ (mailto: smurfadelica@ ...) ) MA > > Sarah ( _lycoristrijder@ ..._ (mailto: lycoristrijder@ ...) ) - , > > Michael ( _michael@..._ (mailto:michael@... ) ) - LA > > Les( _holdall_birdcall@ ..._ (mailto: holdall_birdcall@ ...) ) - > > London, > > Bob ( _Bobsart48@. .._ (mailto:Bobsart48@.. . ) ) -NJ > > Laura (_LCStanley7@ ... _ (mailto:LCStanley7@. ..) ) - AR > > Ashara ( _AsharaJM@.. ._ (mailto: AsharaJM@...) ) - MA > > Cindy ( _cindyvickery@ ..._ (mailto: cindyvickery@ ...) ) - AL > > Jamie ( _jamiezubairi@ ..._ (mailto:jamiezubairi@ ... ) ) - London > > > > (And you *know* there may be more!) > > > > Hugs, > > Ashara > > > > On 12/7/06, AsharaProducLLC@ aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:19:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > c.eisenhardt@ earthlink. net writes: > > I haven't seen a list of committed folks lately....let' s bug Ashara > and > see who's lining up! > > > Oh, C'mon!!!! I just sent a list not too long ago. Can someone find it > and resend here? > > Hugs, > Ashara, currently in Santa Fe > > > > > > > > -- > voiceovers > http://uk.voicespro .com/jamie. zubairi1 > acting > http://uk.castingca llpro.com/ u/81749 > > http://www1. myspace.com/ reloc.cfm? c=2&id=6B45F377- 750E-4D68- > B49D-69CA1D8E220 3 > > > > > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity > and ease of use." - PC Magazine > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (17) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Visit Your Group > SPONSORED LINKS >  Jim >  Slim jim >  Jim brickman >  Jim croce >  Jim rohn > > Yahoo! Photos > > Share Your Photos > > via email & mobile > > Y! GeoCities > > Be Vocal > > Publish your opi- > > nions with a blog. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > __,_._,___ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 06:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Music of Joni Mitchell Thanks for this, Craig...I have been known to head in Joni tribute directions, so maybe I can head to Austin (which I want to see anyway) to check this out. Will (as most of us are aware) recorded a KILLER cover of Black Crow a couple of years back - it made my first Sweet 16 if I remember correctly. Bob NP: The Cure, "Mr Pink Eyes" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni Catalog - --- Les Irvin wrote: > For those not fortunate enough to have list angels > who purchase art books at > openings, the entire Green Flag Song exhibit has > been put on-line: > http://jonimitchell.com/painter > > Once there, choose to "browse the Green Flag Song > collection" at the bottom > of the page. > > I'd be interested in opinions on this set. > > Thanks, > Les > I've just had a minute to check these out. Living room art, it ain't; however, I can imagine, by viewing small images of these pieces and seeing the dimensions given, that the exhibit as a whole must have been quite powerful. I like the way Joni has combined images, and sometimes images with a few very powerful words. And I learned something today: I didn't know about Woodrow Wilson imposing US citizenship on Puerto Ricans in order to increase the draft pool for WWI. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:59:47 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: America, Ventura Hwy, njc For Mark and others who like the group America, here is a message from Marianne's sister who is one of my best friends and is as into America as we are Joni: In a message dated 12/9/06 9:29:45 AM, FANCYNDUKE@aol.com writes: > tell mark ventura hwy could be Ventura BLVD!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:17:53 -0500 From: "imbriguy@adelphia.net" Subject: Dinner with Joni Here's an article in today's LA Times - My dinner with Joni A fan's notes about conversations with Mitchell on art, politics and music. Meghan Daum December 9, 2006 IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS a bad idea to meet your heroes. No matter what variety of fan you are  there are two kinds: those who innocently hang posters on the wall and those for whom the idol's life and work has been permanently absorbed into the bloodstream  meeting an object of devotion comes with a terrible risk. Having elevated them to a level where there's barely any oxygen left, they have no place to go but down. So as tough a spot as I was in last week, Joni Mitchell was in a tougher one. When it comes to this legendary musician, I'm the kind of fan who bristles at the word "fan." Her music is less an accompaniment to my life than a sort of aesthetic nerve center. So when I found myself en route to dinner with her Tuesday, I did what any rational person would do: I set the bar very low. In a stroke of extraordinary luck, this turned out to be unnecessary. Under a patio heat lamp at a quiet West Hollywood restaurant, Mitchell and I had a long and animated conversation about art, music, poetry, politics, insecurity, narcissism, boys, dogs, cats and other matters. Then we hugged. This has made me very happy for the last five days. It also has made it nearly impossible to write this column, which was not supposed to be about my devotion to Joni Mitchell but about a new exhibit of her artwork in L.A. (It's called "Green Flag Song," and it's showing at the Lev Moross Gallery.) She hadn't wanted to do any publicity, which is why, like many people, I only learned about the show when I noticed the banner hanging outside the gallery on La Brea Avenue. I assumed it would be paintings  Mitchell has long been a painter and attended art school before she began her professional music career. But what I found when I walked into the gallery were 60 large photographic triptychs. Moross, the gallery owner, explained the artwork to me: When Mitchell's television set broke a while ago, it began emitting images that looked like photographic negatives with a green tint. She took photos of the screen, which resulted in dark, jarring, semiabstract images that he enlarged and printed on canvas. He also said that they had many arguments in the process, but she always turned out to be right. Then he said he was having dinner with her soon and that I should come (note to self: never, ever complain about being a newspaper columnist again). Poor Moross was rendered speechless throughout much of the meal as I asked Mitchell totally geeked-out questions about specific lines from "Mingus" (jazz, 1979, generally underappreciated by lesser fans.) Still, we managed to talk quite a bit about the artwork, which Mitchell characterized as "riding the cusp of photography, impressionism and expressionism." She said she had had little interest in publicly showing her paintings but that the photographs were infused with political undertones that somehow felt urgent. Though the images, if you look close, range from shots from old movies to talk-show hosts to news coverage, the overall effect has the whiff of brutality. "The theme of this show is 'war, revolution and torture,' " she told me. "I was in such despair about the world's current state of affairs that I didn't even know where to start. I was taking a lot of landscape photos near my home in Canada. Then I got back to L.A. and suddenly I had this magical TV set." Mitchell talked a lot about the photos  "my bedroom lamp is reflected in a lot of them"  and about how she has ideas for more exhibitions. Though she "retired" from music several years ago, she's writing new songs. She said they were hard in coming, that it's easy to doubt yourself. Anyone who's a fan of anyone can imagine the power of this kind of disclosure. As much as we fear our heroes will disappoint us, it can be even scarier when they don't. When vulnerability bleeds out over the sharp edges of fame, when our heroes appear to like us even a fraction as much as we like them, we can find ourselves paralyzed by the delusion that we are no longer a fan, but a friend. That's not at all what Mitchell thought I'd be writing about. But if there's anything I've learned from listening to her over the years, it's that if you don't write from a place of excruciating candor, you've written nothing. So as much as I hope people will go see her art show, I had no choice but to work from my notes. They're a fan's notes, and they're all true. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 08:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Joni Catalog -- njc - --- Catherine wrote: << And I learned something today: I didn't know about Woodrow Wilson imposing US citizenship on Puerto Ricans in order to increase the draft pool for WWI. >> Canada's probably next. XO, - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:57:17 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni Catalog Today's LA Times: "My Dinner with Joni" http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-daum9dec09,0,3060686.column?coll=l a-opinion-center MEGHAN DAUM My dinner with Joni A fan's notes about conversations with Mitchell on art, politics and music. Meghan Daum December 9, 2006 IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS a bad idea to meet your heroes. No matter what variety of fan you are - there are two kinds: those who innocently hang posters on the wall and those for whom the idol's life and work has been permanently absorbed into the bloodstream - meeting an object of devotion comes with a terrible risk. Having elevated them to a level where there's barely any oxygen left, they have no place to go but down. So as tough a spot as I was in last week, Joni Mitchell was in a tougher one. When it comes to this legendary musician, I'm the kind of fan who bristles at the word "fan." Her music is less an accompaniment to my life than a sort of aesthetic nerve center. So when I found myself en route to dinner with her Tuesday, I did what any rational person would do: I set the bar very low. In a stroke of extraordinary luck, this turned out to be unnecessary. Under a patio heat lamp at a quiet West Hollywood restaurant, Mitchell and I had a long and animated conversation about art, music, poetry, politics, insecurity, narcissism, boys, dogs, cats and other matters. Then we hugged. This has made me very happy for the last five days. It also has made it nearly impossible to write this column, which was not supposed to be about my devotion to Joni Mitchell but about a new exhibit of her artwork in L.A. (It's called "Green Flag Song," and it's showing at the Lev Moross Gallery.) She hadn't wanted to do any publicity, which is why, like many people, I only learned about the show when I noticed the banner hanging outside the gallery on La Brea Avenue. I assumed it would be paintings - Mitchell has long been a painter and attended art school before she began her professional music career. But what I found when I walked into the gallery were 60 large photographic triptychs. Moross, the gallery owner, explained the artwork to me: When Mitchell's television set broke a while ago, it began emitting images that looked like photographic negatives with a green tint. She took photos of the screen, which resulted in dark, jarring, semiabstract images that he enlarged and printed on canvas. He also said that they had many arguments in the process, but she always turned out to be right. Then he said he was having dinner with her soon and that I should come (note to self: never, ever complain about being a newspaper columnist again). Poor Moross was rendered speechless throughout much of the meal as I asked Mitchell totally geeked-out questions about specific lines from "Mingus" (jazz, 1979, generally underappreciated by lesser fans.) Still, we managed to talk quite a bit about the artwork, which Mitchell characterized as "riding the cusp of photography, impressionism and expressionism." She said she had had little interest in publicly showing her paintings but that the photographs were infused with political undertones that somehow felt urgent. Though the images, if you look close, range from shots from old movies to talk-show hosts to news coverage, the overall effect has the whiff of brutality. "The theme of this show is 'war, revolution and torture,' " she told me. "I was in such despair about the world's current state of affairs that I didn't even know where to start. I was taking a lot of landscape photos near my home in Canada. Then I got back to L.A. and suddenly I had this magical TV set." Mitchell talked a lot about the photos - "my bedroom lamp is reflected in a lot of them" - and about how she has ideas for more exhibitions. Though she "retired" from music several years ago, she's writing new songs. She said they were hard in coming, that it's easy to doubt yourself. Anyone who's a fan of anyone can imagine the power of this kind of disclosure. As much as we fear our heroes will disappoint us, it can be even scarier when they don't. When vulnerability bleeds out over the sharp edges of fame, when our heroes appear to like us even a fraction as much as we like them, we can find ourselves paralyzed by the delusion that we are no longer a fan, but a friend. That's not at all what Mitchell thought I'd be writing about. But if there's anything I've learned from listening to her over the years, it's that if you don't write from a place of excruciating candor, you've written nothing. So as much as I hope people will go see her art show, I had no choice but to work from my notes. They're a fan's notes, and they're all true. mdaum@latimescolumnists.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:14 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni Catalog >I haven't seen any specifics of the catalog >so I will do my best to describe it here. For those not fortunate enough to have list angels who purchase art books at openings, the entire Green Flag Song exhibit has been put on-line: http://jonimitchell.com/painter Once there, choose to "browse the Green Flag Song collection" at the bottom of the page. I'd be interested in opinions on this set. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni Catalog -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > --- Catherine wrote: > > << And I learned something today: I didn't know > about Woodrow Wilson imposing US citizenship on > Puerto > Ricans in order to increase the draft pool for WWI. > >> > > > Canada's probably next. > I'm not sure if Dubya remembers we exist. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:47:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dinner with Joni Thanks for the article.... I was wondering where those photographic images came from...now I know...the magical TV! I'll have to go see now if I can see the reflection of her bedroom lamp! lol Joni NEVER doubt yourself you are a genious rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dinner with Joni - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the article.... > I was wondering where those photographic images came > from...now I know...the > magical TV! I'll have to go see now if I can see the > reflection of her > bedroom lamp! lol > Joni NEVER doubt yourself > you are a genious > > > rosie in nj > Damn. A similar thing happened to my TV a while back. We lugged it with us anyway to the new place until I could afford to buy a new one. The colour was all shot. Ours was more a purplish colour with a green haze around the edge in a circular aura sort of fashion. Too bad I lack Joni's artistic imagination. Oh yeah, and talent. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:26:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC now Re: "A horse with no name" >When I hitchhiked through North America, I looked for a few of these iconic places I'd heard about in Joni's and America's songs. I was dismayed to find that the Ventura Highway is now a freeway. Also that hitchhiking was illegal on freeways. So much for the dream.< it was a freeway back then too... highway 101... I don't know if anyone ever called it ventura highway (well maybe when it was first built whenever that was) but it is a nice romantic name for a song... I love traveling through places that songs are written about... when I went to galveston, of course I was singing that song in my head... recently drove near lodi (singing the song of course)... used to drive through upstate new york to Vermont (okay that isn't exactly what the song is about but...)singing sweet baby james... when I visited the southeast many moons ago there were so many song places from old folk tunes... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:44:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Cactus Tree Hey Pat, its so cool to have your comments on here & thanks for telling the story again (I wasn't here waaaay back in 99...lol....) ... wow, even back then she had people following her like that ... well considering her talent & beauty I guess that is no surprise... still kind of daunting & potentially creepy especially since she was a young, solo traveling woman... Kate HI Gang, Since it came up AND since we are, again, addressing the subject of "Who did Joni write that for?" AND, at the same time considering the newcomers it might be well to revisit some things I shared about CT way back in '99 or thereabouts. Well, just who did Joni write CT for? *Oh no, here he goes again* Well, I'm sorry, it's true! "Back in the Cellar days" ('66-'67) one night Joni came out from the back and stood next to me back in the shadows near the kitchen and, after a minute or two she said "See that guy over there? He just followed me from my gig in Toronto and before that he followed me from Philly! There are a bunch of them. There's another one over there... and one there too. There are others too. These... guys, they follow me all over the country and they write me poems and letters and want to date me and marry me and tell me their life stories. It makes me wonder, don't they have jobs? It's like they just left their lives and followed me like a bunch of puppies." ...or something to that effect. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:54:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni Catalog Thanks so much Les! I missed so many at the gallery opening so its great to have a second chance... I'll see if I have a favorite... given a choice, I think I'd buy one of her beautiful landscapes as that is more my 'thing' but who knows, I haven't digested all of these works yet.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:58:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree RR- Bearing beads from California [buds from CA?] With their amber stones and green Could be that or could just be beads since in those days beads were the in fashion thing... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:08:34 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni Catalog -- njc hi >>>catherine wrote > I'm not sure if Dubya remembers we exist. got oil??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:07:17 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC When I wrote crappola ...I was thinking more along the lines that a person could possibly get lung cancer from second hand smoke....that is the strong belief of some anti-smokers..... ..I don't think there is much evidence for that. I grew up in house where one parent smoked..my father..and none of us have any respiratory problems. My grandmother smoked until she died..she was 95....(she died from complications of a hip fracture) ..I don't think she inhaled much..would draw in and right back out again. I have an aunt ..who is in her eighties..and has emphysema. When I spoke to her on the phone last...I said .."but you never smoked?" Well she sort of did...she assured me that she smoked for a very short time when she was WAC in the early 1940's. Anyway..I think SOME of us are predisposed to get certain diseases.....it doesn't matter what we did or did not do..whether weakness in our lungs..heart..kidney's. I'm thinking this is the case for my aunt. I really don't want to be in the position of defending smoking...I know it's not a good thing...and I really don't want to smoke ever again....of course...this is after I have my last one today sometime. I do want to stop it completely but there are thousands of people who don't....who enjoy it..as I still do very much.. after a meal especially...driving in a car...but being reasonable here..for me ..the bad outweighs the good. And Richard..thanks so much for passing on this inspiring story about you sister. I wish her continued health and a long..long life to enjoy with her daughter..and the rest of her family and friends. (I was very touched when she made it a goal to carry her daughter up the steps ) Bree >Em, > >Contrary to what Bree says, that second hand smoke stuff is not crapola. >Try to get our GF not to smoke in enclosed spaceswhile you are arounf, as >you already recognize, she's jeopardizing your health. > >My father smoked like a chimney (about 5 packs a day); consequently all the >children in my family and my mother had respiratory problems--and, like a >fool, 3 out of 4 of us ended up as smokers, including me for way too many >years. > >My sister had a double lung transplant over 10 years ago. She is certain >that secondary smoke endangered the health of all in our house, and >probably >predisposed us to start smoking in the first place. > >See her picture here: >http://www.transplantbuddies.org/images/pix.html#kathryn > >And read her stories here: > http://www.2ndwind.org/members/kathryn_flynn.html > > http://www.2ndwind.org/about/board.html > > > >She has since completed that master's degree and is a special educator of >blind children in Raleigh. > >So please stay away from that smoke! > >Richard >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:01 PM >To: Smurf; anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: try another (not!) VLJC NJC > >--- Smurf wrote: > > > I am trying to help a very good friend who's making > > his first baby steps towards quitting now. > >I wish my GF would quit. >A. because I want her to be healthy and be around for a long time and >feel well >B. her addiction sometimes messes me up. >Today being just such an instance. >I walk into the bathroom, where she has sprayed (apparently) HUGE >amounts of perfume or cologne. >WHOA! I immediately had the first asthma symptoms that I have felt in >years. Its like it sucked the air right out of my lungs. Couldn't clear >my throat. >Then on the way into work, in the car, she SMOKES with the window shut. >Finally I realized what was making me feel so ill and I asked her to >just go ahead and open the window. >And then we froze. >Apparently, just putting the damn thing out wasn't an option. >And now here I sit at work, feeling all flu-like. >Achey, scratchy throat, sneezing, slightly runny nose. >And I didn't have ANY of this til I ran into her WALL OF SMELLS this >a.m. >I mean I love the girl and all, but damn, its like she's trying to kill >me. >She should just send that perfume to North Korea, then they could give >up their nukes knowing they have another way to off the rest of the >world should the need arise. >:( >Em >ps: sorry, that was a whine...I know. >But I wasn't sick before. _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni v Carole vs. Miles of Aisles - ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Flynn >. Compared to the all-star band of the S&L tour, No question there. I mean, obviously we all have our tastes and MOA no doubt appeals more to many, but the S&L group blows them away, talent wise. Still, I love RNH on MOA--probably the only track on that album that I like a lot more than its original, and I like a lot of Joni's solo set. Umm ... is that a trick question? ;) (Seriously, no one is going to beat Blue in this crowd--except maybe Joni herself.) Michael Flaherty Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:28:19 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Imogen Heap - NJC Me too, Cassy. I like Imogen Heap but my heart goes to Corinne Bailey Rae to win the Best New Artist. I have her debut DC and she knocked me silly with her voice and the langourous pace of the album. Plus, "Butterfly" is a nice song that I play in the station once in a while. I will be happy with either Imogen or Corinne taking the Grammy for that award. On another Grammy sidenote, this is the second year I noticed that Ani DiFranco is nominated not really for her musical abilities but for the strength of her album covers. Surely, Ani deserves a nomination at least. But then, Grammies are not always right. Joseph in chilly Chapel Hill (happy that Nancy King got a nomination in the Best Jazz Vocal category) Cassy a icrit : I am soo happy to hear of Imogen Heap's Grammy nominations 1. Best new artist 2. Best song written for a motion picture "Can't Take it in" (Chronicles of Narnia - The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe) I will keep my fingers crossed but you know what these awards are like... Warmly, Cassy NP: Psychobabble - Frou Frou - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail riinvente le mail ! Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface rivolutionnaire. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: RE : Imogen Heap - NJC Well, the good news is that I'm sure that Ani (like Joni) doesn't give two shits about the Grammies. Besides that, Grammy is not anxious to reward an artist who has been an independent since day one, bucking against the system. They much prefer their major-label successes. Reprieve is the year's strongest album lyrically - nothing else even comes close. She may have some comp next year with Joni's new one. And musically, Reprieve is stronger than her last few - having Todd Sickafoose on the disc inspires her to go for a fuller sound I believe, which is a good thing. Bob NP: The Allmans, "Stormy Monday" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Catalog -- njc - --- ron wrote: > hi > > > >>>catherine wrote > > I'm not sure if Dubya remembers we exist. > > > got oil??? > > Shhhhhhh!!! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:53:24 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: second hand smoke, was try another (not!) NJC bree, i appreciate that you wrote in again to clarify, i guess, your "crappola" comment, but the truth is, you made that statement without knowing what the f*k you were talking about. it might fit better with your politics if second-hand smoking was harmless, but the inconvenient facts are, it's very very dangerous. here's a list of known health problems: Increased risk of lung cancer - -- The effect of passive smoking on lung cancer has been extensively studied. Studies from the USA (1986,[11][12] 1992,[13] 1997,[14] 2001,[15] 2003[16]), Europe (1998[17]), the UK (1998[18][19]), and Australia (1997[20]) have consistently shown a significant increase in relative risk among those exposed to passive smoke. Increased risk of cancer[21] Increased risk of heart disease[22] Increased risk of miscarriage and birth defects[23] Increased risk of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome)[24] Increased risk of developing asthma, both for children[25] and adults[26][27] Increased risk of behavior problems in children, such as depression, anxiety and immaturity. [3] Increased risk of ear infections[28] Increased risk of allergies and death of children[29] Worsening of asthma, allergies, and other conditions[30] citations: 3^ ^ California Environmental Protection Agency: Air Resources Board, "Proposed Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant" (June 24, 2005); on January 26, 2006, the Air Resources Board, following a lengthy review and public outreach process, determined ETS to be a Toxic Air Contaminant (TAC). 17^ In: P Boffetta, A Agudo and W Ahrens et al., Editors, Multicenter case-control study of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and lung cancer in Europe, J Natl Cancer Inst 90 (1998), pp. 14401450. 18^ Report of the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health to the Chief Medical Officer, Part II. Retrieved on 2006-07-26. 19^ Hackshaw AK. Lung cancer and passive smoking. Stat Methods Med Res. 1998 Jun;7(2):119-36. PMID 9654638 20^ National Health and Medical Research Council. The health effects of passive smoking, Australian Government Publishing Service, Canberra (1997). 21^ U.S. Surgeon General's report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 2; pages 30 - 46) 22^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 8) 23^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 5; pages 176 - 179) 24^ The U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 5; pages 180-194) 25^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 6; pages 311 - 319) 26^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 9; pages 555 - 558) 27^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 2; pages 46 - 49) 28^ Bull, P.D. (1996). Diseases of the Ear, Nose and Throat. Blackwell Science. ISBN 0-86542-634-1. 29^ U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke (Chapter 6; pages 376 - 380) 30^ Janson C (2004). "The effect of passive smoking on respiratory health in children and adults.". Int J Tuberc Lung Dis 8 (5): 510-6. PMID 15137524. more on risk levels: "In May 2006, the United States government's Center for Disease Control issued its first new study on secondhand smoke in 20 years. Surgeon General Richard Carmona summarized, "The health effects of secondhand smoke exposure are more pervasive than we previously thought. The scientific evidence is now indisputable: secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance. It is a serious health hazard that can lead to disease and premature death in children and nonsmoking adults." The study estimated that living or working in a place where smoking is permitted increases the non-smokers' risk of developing heart disease by 25-30% and lung cancer by 20-30%. The study finds that passive smoke also causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory problems, ear infections and asthma attacks in children.[48]" 48^ Marc Kaufman. "Study: Secondhand Smoke Effects Pervasive", Washington Post, Tuesday, June 27, 2006. article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke patrick np - silence - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bree Mcdonough Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:07 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; emzdogz@yahoo.com; smurfadelica@yahoo.com; anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC When I wrote crappola ...I was thinking more along the lines that a person could possibly get lung cancer from second hand smoke....that is the strong belief of some anti-smokers..... ..I don't think there is much evidence for that. I grew up in house where one parent smoked..my father..and none of us have any respiratory problems. My grandmother smoked until she died..she was 95....(she died from complications of a hip fracture) ..I don't think she inhaled much..would draw in and right back out again. I have an aunt ..who is in her eighties..and has emphysema. When I spoke to her on the phone last...I said .."but you never smoked?" Well she sort of did...she assured me that she smoked for a very short time when she was WAC in the early 1940's. Anyway..I think SOME of us are predisposed to get certain diseases.....it doesn't matter what we did or did not do..whether weakness in our lungs..heart..kidney's. I'm thinking this is the case for my aunt. I really don't want to be in the position of defending smoking...I know it's not a good thing...and I really don't want to smoke ever again....of course...this is after I have my last one today sometime. I do want to stop it completely but there are thousands of people who don't....who enjoy it..as I still do very much.. after a meal especially...driving in a car...but being reasonable here..for me ..the bad outweighs the good. And Richard..thanks so much for passing on this inspiring story about you sister. I wish her continued health and a long..long life to enjoy with her daughter..and the rest of her family and friends. (I was very touched when she made it a goal to carry her daughter up the steps ) Bree >Em, > >Contrary to what Bree says, that second hand smoke stuff is not crapola. >Try to get our GF not to smoke in enclosed spaceswhile you are arounf, as >you already recognize, she's jeopardizing your health. > >My father smoked like a chimney (about 5 packs a day); consequently all the >children in my family and my mother had respiratory problems--and, like a >fool, 3 out of 4 of us ended up as smokers, including me for way too many >years. > >My sister had a double lung transplant over 10 years ago. She is certain >that secondary smoke endangered the health of all in our house, and >probably >predisposed us to start smoking in the first place. > >See her picture here: >http://www.transplantbuddies.org/images/pix.html#kathryn > >And read her stories here: > http://www.2ndwind.org/members/kathryn_flynn.html > > http://www.2ndwind.org/about/board.html > > > >She has since completed that master's degree and is a special educator of >blind children in Raleigh. > >So please stay away from that smoke! > >Richard >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:01 PM >To: Smurf; anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: try another (not!) VLJC NJC > >--- Smurf wrote: > > > I am trying to help a very good friend who's making > > his first baby steps towards quitting now. > >I wish my GF would quit. >A. because I want her to be healthy and be around for a long time and >feel well >B. her addiction sometimes messes me up. >Today being just such an instance. >I walk into the bathroom, where she has sprayed (apparently) HUGE >amounts of perfume or cologne. >WHOA! I immediately had the first asthma symptoms that I have felt in >years. Its like it sucked the air right out of my lungs. Couldn't clear >my throat. >Then on the way into work, in the car, she SMOKES with the window shut. >Finally I realized what was making me feel so ill and I asked her to >just go ahead and open the window. >And then we froze. >Apparently, just putting the damn thing out wasn't an option. >And now here I sit at work, feeling all flu-like. >Achey, scratchy throat, sneezing, slightly runny nose. >And I didn't have ANY of this til I ran into her WALL OF SMELLS this >a.m. >I mean I love the girl and all, but damn, its like she's trying to kill >me. >She should just send that perfume to North Korea, then they could give >up their nukes knowing they have another way to off the rest of the >world should the need arise. >:( >Em >ps: sorry, that was a whine...I know. >But I wasn't sick before. _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #469 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------