From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #466 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 7 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 466 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC gay marriage... ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: gay marriage NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Please Listen To My Friend's Christmas Song (njc) ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: NJC, gay marriage [Catherine McKay ] Re: gay marriage NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC gay marriage... [Jerry Notaro ] WAS - gay marriage... now, Joni Smoking ["Cassy" ] will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC, gay marriage [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Re: gay marriage, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Please Listen To My Friend's Christmas Song (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" <] Cactus Tree [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? ["Cassy" ] Re:smoking, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni Catalog ["Cassy" ] Re: Cactus Tree ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: NJC, gay marriage [Catherine McKay ] Re: Cactus Tree [Rusty10113@aol.com] RE: Joni Catalog [Les Irvin ] Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? ["ron" ] "A horse with no name" ["anon anon" ] Re: NJC gay marriage... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? ["Bree Mcdonough" <] Re: "A horse with no name"NJC [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Re: NJC, smoking ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... Indeed my dear Bree. Here here. This is simply another way for the 'i need to tell others what to do' crowd to assuage themselves and massage themselves in places that need such. For any group of non-smokers advocating these ridiculous parameters concerning cigarette smoke I will give u one to none that have done anything concerning air pollution or quality. They will sit in traffic, backed up for miles and miles, and breath these exhaust fumes from millions of vehicles and then complain that a smoker is invading their space. Illogical at best. Not even counting the complete hypocrisy involved. Of course they aren't illegal, there is way too much money being collected from them to do that. They, the do-gooders, will spout of how they are concerned for our health yet they have no problem forcing us into the cold to smoke the nasty things. It's a matter of choice. They might not be good for one but then again, isn't that the business of the smoker? I don't buy for a second that smoke permeates into other rooms or harms them in any way and certainly if there is any effect it is much less than the pollution that grows and grows by the minute, that they breathe without complaint. And if we are legislating for the good of all, then perhaps we should mandate complete fat free diets and exercise for all for the effects of such and the lack of make up major health risks themselves. Perhaps that will be next. Absurd the entire business as the goodie goodies of the world run rampant. The hell with em. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... > >Cigarettes may be a legal substance (although I can't figure out why), > >but >>second hand smoke is hazardous as hell. Certain things (like motorcycle >>helmets and seat belts, and yes, smoking) SHOULD be legislated for reasons >>of safety and health. I think, when it concerns smoking, non-smokers' >>rights should prevail. (Sorry, Joni.) > > That second hand stuff is crappola! (and don't send me a bunch of links > stating otherwise..I don't buy it. I do buy that cigs are bad for a > person...just not the second hand aspect) Now this is coming from a > person who has and has been sucking on one of those plastic cigs for weeks > now... to curb the hand-to -mouth thing. Actually..I agree with you for > the most part...but let's say I have a small office I rent...(the landlord > is cool ..no problem) .and several of the employee's smoke...why can't one > room be set aside for the smoker? The non-smoker can simply not go in > that room. This room has a huge fan/exhaust.....the smoke is all being > sucked out. But...noooooooooooo........government has told me that is > not permissible. But since the majority in Ohio has said ....NO to > smoking...in this state..public places that is...I will go along with the > majority. I don't like it...but majority rules. > > Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't let anyone > smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her? Believe it > or not this was a little discussion Marianne and I have had.....kind of > silly.... > > Bree > > >>Lori, who actually feels bad for smokers sometimes ... but less and less >>as >>time goes by ... >>Santa Rosa, in smokeless CA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered > by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:14:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: gay marriage NJC - --- BlueForTheRoses@aol.com wrote: > unfortunately, every gay/lesbian/bi/trans > person you ask will probably > give you a different answer....LOL. Rick > Here's one I heard recently lumped in with the GLB etc group: two-spirit. It's apparently an expression used by or working with aboriginal people (North American). I think it means bisexual but there may be some other nuance. In some instances, it might just refer to any people who aren't heterosexual. I can't help but think of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" when I hear this. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:27:35 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Please Listen To My Friend's Christmas Song (njc) Listening to it now, thanks for sharing it Sherelle, he's great! See if he wants to come to fest! love ya , db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 12/7/2006 11:00 AM >>> Hi, My friend whose name is Bernie Chiaravalle has a new Christmas song out on My Space that I would love you to hear. He's an avid Beatle's fan and when you hear him, you are going to really feel like he's channeling John Lennon a little! It's really good and if you are a Beatles' fan, I think you are really going to like it! Mon amie Patti P: I know you will like it my Strawberry Fields Forever Sister! Sherelle http://www.myspace.com/berniechiaravalle _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tco de=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > That second hand stuff is crappola! Tell that to my sinuses after I've spent a day in a room full of smokers. This is, sadly, one of the reasons I just won't - can't - go to visit one of my sisters for any length of time. She and her husband smoke like the proverbial chimneys. I'm allergic to the stuff and sinusitis is NOT fun and the antibiotics you have to take to combat it are expensive and something I'd rather not take, given a choice. > Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I > suppose you don't let anyone > smoke in your house...would you make an exception > for her? No, I wouldn't. She isn't so special that she can disrespect my right not to be imposed upon by her icky addiction. I love her to bits, but I think she has gotten away with more than some people because of her celebrity status. I don't think there should be any exceptions. She can just step outside like any of the other smokers. Some smokers are thoughtful and will do this without being asked. Others think their right to smoke outweighs the rights of non-smokers and will light up any old where and are either oblivious to the "no smoking" signs or maybe their reading brain cells are so ravaged by smoke that they've lost the ability. They are fooling themselves. It's not just an annoyance. And why do smokers think that it's OK to throw their butts (cigarette ones, OK?) out car windows or toss them on the ground? It's just gross seeing all those cigarette butts lying around and it's a hazard to the health of animals dumb enough to eat them (dogs are great, but they will eat anything). Use an ash-tray, K? Good luck though, Bree - quitting is not easy! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, gay marriage - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Yes...thanks for clarifying...but isn't it the three > of them? One can't > be done without the other? > Wow. Polygamy. A menage a trois. Interesting! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:36:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: gay marriage NJC The older, offensive term was berdache, meaning both genders. There is historical evidence that transgendered Native Americans were thought be and special and treated well, even marrying within tribes. Their husbands were considered to be fortunate. Jerry > --- BlueForTheRoses@aol.com wrote: > >> unfortunately, every gay/lesbian/bi/trans >> person you ask will probably >> give you a different answer....LOL. Rick >> > > Here's one I heard recently lumped in with the GLB etc > group: two-spirit. It's apparently an expression used > by or working with aboriginal people (North American). > I think it means bisexual but there may be some other > nuance. In some instances, it might just refer to any > people who aren't heterosexual. I can't help but think > of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" when I hear this. > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:38:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... And, of course, we know those who complain of second hand smoke in outdoor, open air settings, who will drag on a joint like a Hoover vacuum cleaner and hold the thick smoke in their lungs forever. Jerry > Indeed my dear Bree. Here here. This is simply another way for the 'i need > to tell others what to do' crowd to assuage themselves and massage > themselves in places that need such. For any group of non-smokers > advocating these ridiculous parameters concerning cigarette smoke I will > give u one to none that have done anything concerning air pollution or > quality. They will sit in traffic, backed up for miles and miles, and > breath these exhaust fumes from millions of vehicles and then complain that > a smoker is invading their space. Illogical at best. Not even counting the > complete hypocrisy involved. Of course they aren't illegal, there is way > too much money being collected from them to do that. They, the do-gooders, > will spout of how they are concerned for our health yet they have no problem > forcing us into the cold to smoke the nasty things. It's a matter of > choice. They might not be good for one but then again, isn't that the > business of the smoker? I don't buy for a second that smoke permeates into > other rooms or harms them in any way and certainly if there is any effect it > is much less than the pollution that grows and grows by the minute, that > they breathe without complaint. And if we are legislating for the good of > all, then perhaps we should mandate complete fat free diets and exercise for > all for the effects of such and the lack of make up major health risks > themselves. Perhaps that will be next. Absurd the entire business as the > goodie goodies of the world run rampant. The hell with em. > > mack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... > > >>> Cigarettes may be a legal substance (although I can't figure out why), >>> but >>> second hand smoke is hazardous as hell. Certain things (like motorcycle >>> helmets and seat belts, and yes, smoking) SHOULD be legislated for reasons >>> of safety and health. I think, when it concerns smoking, non-smokers' >>> rights should prevail. (Sorry, Joni.) >> >> That second hand stuff is crappola! (and don't send me a bunch of links >> stating otherwise..I don't buy it. I do buy that cigs are bad for a >> person...just not the second hand aspect) Now this is coming from a >> person who has and has been sucking on one of those plastic cigs for weeks >> now... to curb the hand-to -mouth thing. Actually..I agree with you for >> the most part...but let's say I have a small office I rent...(the landlord >> is cool ..no problem) .and several of the employee's smoke...why can't one >> room be set aside for the smoker? The non-smoker can simply not go in >> that room. This room has a huge fan/exhaust.....the smoke is all being >> sucked out. But...noooooooooooo........government has told me that is >> not permissible. But since the majority in Ohio has said ....NO to >> smoking...in this state..public places that is...I will go along with the >> majority. I don't like it...but majority rules. >> >> Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't let anyone >> smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her? Believe it >> or not this was a little discussion Marianne and I have had.....kind of >> silly.... >> >> Bree >> >> >>> Lori, who actually feels bad for smokers sometimes ... but less and less >>> as >>> time goes by ... >>> Santa Rosa, in smokeless CA >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered >> by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:40:57 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: WAS - gay marriage... now, Joni Smoking From: "Bree Mcdonough" <<< Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't let anyone smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her? Believe it or not this was a little discussion Marianne and I have had.....kind of silly.... >>> I have an area set up outside on my deck for smokers during the summer months. During the winter months I have a comfortable seating area in my garage with a heater that's used during the gatherings I host. I don't care who the person is, NOBODY smokes in my house, that would include Joni. Some of you know I'm also a big John Mellencamp fan, he smokes as much if not more than Joni and always has a cigarette in his hand when heading out onto the stage for live performances, look closely you'll see the long drag of smoke coming from his mouth as he sings the first line of his show. He is more like Joni than most know, having had his own art exhibit at the Herron School of Art in Indiana this past year http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/2578.html (see some of his paintings at: http://www.mellencamp.com/index.php?page=paintings ) I am anxiously awaiting his new CD. Warmly, Cassy NP: Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:59:33 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? Hi JMDLers -- Interesting viewpoints there about smoking and rights of citizens. Although I am not a smoker at all (okay I smoked one stick last April when I was out of the room while my dissertation committee members deliberated on my diss proposal), I do have a question to ask you all. No pressure. I ask this to non-smokers like me: If you are with Joni in some cafe and she starts smoking while talking to you, would you tell her to stop smoking for your sake or will you endure it for the entire duration? For me, I think I will endure being pillaged by her smoke rings. After all, its not everyday that you are in the presence of a musical deity. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Free Design - "Love You" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail riinvente le mail ! Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface rivolutionnaire. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:08:59 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, gay marriage In a message dated 12/7/06 11:29:13 AM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > > Yes...thanks for clarifying...but isn't it the three of them? One can't > be done without the other? > Hi Bree, Marriage exists in forms outside of the sacrament of course. However, if it is a sacramental marriage, yes, by definition, God is invited into the marriage and is actually the primary spouse of each married person. It only makes sense to me given the reality is that God is love and marriage ideally is an expression of love. Love, Laura > > > >>Bree wrote: > > > > > > > In the Catholic church it's called the Sacrament of Marriage...it is > >Jesus > > > Christ who unites this man and woman. Not to be taken lightly...but > >many > > > people do. > > > > > > Again...I don't think it is God who has problem with people > > > committing....any people.. > > > > > > > > > >Hi Bree, > > > > What I know of the sacrament of marriage in the catholic church is a > >little different from what you write here. It is the man and the woman > >who do > >the uniting, not Jesus, not the priest, not the church. I've heard priests > >make this very clear during catholic weddings. > > > > The abiility of a couple to unite in marriage is given to them by God > >just as their very existence is. But, just as a child is conceived only > >by > >the conjugal union of a couple which is not God uniting them but them > >uniting > >themselves, so marriage is done by the couple. In the grand scheme of > >things, > >marriage comes from God which is why scriptures say, "what therefore God > >has > >joined together, let no man put asunder." God gives the means, but the > >couple does the uniting. > > > > In my understanding, the concept of marriage being a sacrament or > >anything being a sacrament is it is a grace filled way for people to > >partake in the > >life giving union of God with humanity. In any sacrament, not just > >marriage, > >the purpose is for people grow closer to God who is love and in doing so to > >grow closer to one and other. If marriage or other sacraments aren't that > >in > >the catholic church, then there is no sacrament, null. > > > > As homosexuality is better understood as a natural condition, the > >catholic church will deal with the truth accordingly. > > > >Love, > >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:13:54 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, gay marriage In a message dated 12/7/06 12:28:26 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > Yes...thanks for clarifying...but isn't it the three > > of them? One can't > > be done without the other? > > > > Wow. Polygamy. A menage a trois. Interesting! > > "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:10:18 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: gay marriage NJC In a message dated 12/7/2006 1:15:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: Here's one I heard recently lumped in with the GLB etc group: two-spirit. It's apparently an expression used by or working with aboriginal people (North American). I think it means bisexual but there may be some other nuance. In some instances, it might just refer to any people who aren't heterosexual. I can't help but think of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" when I hear this From what I understand, two spirit was used by tribes who were welcoming to gay/lesbian members...it meant that they had two spirits inside them, both male and female, and many tribes who referred to homosexuals this way, looked at them as sacred. In some of these societies they were actually the shaman or religious leaders, and healers. Of course, with the advent of European conquerers, who brought rabid Catholicism with them, this was quickly squashed and ignored until the past few decades when there was a resurgence of the old customs, etc. from before when whites came here. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:32:44 +1100 From: michael.cathyb@optusnet.com.au Subject: * Perpetual Joni Covers Train And Cactus Tree [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Hi Long time member, some time lurker, many time non reader and deleter, you people can type so much :). I would like to get a copy of these Joni Covers And I promise to re "train" them. I also would like to comment about a certain passage in Cactus Tree. It is the bit at the end of the each verse. Guitarists will know what I mean. The chords, and the melody that Joni lays over them are absolutely the most sublime musical pasages I have ever heard. I honestly think that they can only be truely appreciated to their maximum when you are trying to play and sing them. Which I cant do...I can play it but not hit the notes..... friggin hell it is beautiful. Cheers Michael Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:29:23 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: * Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 76-83 of JM Covers In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers of Joni's songs here is the latest round of the Perpetual Joni Covers Train. These are uncompressed WAV files for those who care about such things -- they are not the MP3 versions. For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work: When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them around within two weeks. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect that to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting them get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the tracks for years. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please pass the masters along. So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 51-60, please send me: 1. Your mailing address and 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. Enjoy and happy holidays, Eric P.S. If you are sitting on any of the earlier rounds, please offer them up again as its been a while and new folks might be interested. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:21:53 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: try another (not!) NJC From: "Em" <<< I walk into the bathroom, where she has sprayed (apparently) HUGE amounts of perfume or cologne. WHOA! I immediately had the first asthma symptoms that I have felt in years. >>> I sympathize, Em. There is nothing like getting flyers in the mail with those perfume-laden inserts that cause me to go into paroxysms of coughing... or stepping into an elevator (or a workspace) where someone is wearing enough cologne to choke a small nation. Regulating our personal habits... hmmm I have mixed feelings on this one, on the one hand the government knows that smoking and high-colesterol alone cost this nation billions in health care each year. On the other hand I cannot say I am thrilled to have the government deciding these issues. There is a law pending in Michigan that will prevent adults from smoking in an automobile that has children as passengers, I believe this is already law in California and Louisiana and perhaps other states too. New York has banned the use of Trans-fats in restaurants and I think other states will follow suit. Long-term these steps have to be an improvement in our nation's health which is a good thing but where will it end? Warmly, Cassy NP: Drive-By Truckers - A World of Hurt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:26:10 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, gay marriage In a message dated 12/7/2006 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > As homosexuality is better understood as a natural condition, the >catholic church will deal with the truth accordingly. > >Love, >Laura I don't agree with this at all....I think the Catholic Church historically is one of the WORST institutions about dragging its feet and not getting with the program. We've known for decades now (Or at least anyone with half a brain), that women are equal to men in any way that counts. However, while many denominations have ordained women ministers, the Catholic Church (as well as Southern Baptist, and Church of Christ, to my knowledge), have refused to do so, of course coming up with their own misogynistic, stupid reasons, which make no sense, in order to continue this trend. So I don't think the Catholic Church will necessarily come around on gay issues. I don't put my trust in that at all. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:29:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gay marriage, njc Rick wrote: > I personally am okay and fine with GLBT. > BLT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:29:55 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Please Listen To My Friend's Christmas Song (njc) Hi Donna, He's actually Michael McDonald's guitarist and tours with him all the time. I'm not sure if he would be able to make it but it doesn't hurt to ask!!!! Who knows? Thanks so much for listening! Love, Sherelle Love, Sherelle >From: Donna Binkley > >Listening to it now, thanks for sharing it Sherelle, he's great! See if he >wants to come to fest! love ya , db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 12/7/2006 11:00 AM >>> >Hi, > >My friend whose name is Bernie Chiaravalle has a new Christmas song out on >My Space that I would love you to hear. He's an avid Beatle's fan and when >you hear him, you are going to really feel like he's channeling John Lennon >a little! It's really good and if you are a Beatles' fan, I think you are >really going to like it! Mon amie Patti P: I know you will like it my >Strawberry Fields Forever Sister! > >Sherelle > >http://www.myspace.com/berniechiaravalle > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by >style, >age, and price. Try it! >http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:34:01 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Cactus Tree On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually better than the studio version? Also for "Last Time I Saw Richard?" I think both of these are better on that live album, than on their original studio releases. I think for me, it has something to do with the way she sang them live....so much emotion pouring from her voice. Anyone else have an opinion? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:30:19 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? From: "Joseph Palis" <<< If you are with Joni in some cafe and she starts smoking while talking to you, would you tell her to stop smoking for your sake or will you endure it for the entire duration? For me, I think I will endure being pillaged by her smoke rings. After all, its not everyday that you are in the presence of a musical deity. >>> Though I wouldn't let her smoke in my home, being out and about would be a different subject entirely. If I were in Joni's company and she lit up, I would not say anything at all to her about it. Of course in many restaurants and cafes it's now illegal to smoke anyway and the odds of Joni inviting me to lunch are slim to none. Warmly, Cassy NP: Snow Patrol - Chasing Cars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: try another (not!) NJC That's the thing. And it always comes back to that. Do we want to be safe, or do we want to be free? I always want to answer back "BOTH!". Not sure that's always possible though. For my part, I would err on the side of "free". Em - --- Cassy wrote:> Long-term these steps have to be an improvement in our nation's > health which > is a good thing but where will it end? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:47:30 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:smoking, njc A toy smoker wrote: > That second hand stuff is crappola! > Hi Puff the Magic Fagon, Depends on the intensity of the smoke... so don't crap on it all. She puffed on: > But...noooooooooooo........government has told me that is > not permissible. But since the majority in Ohio has said ....NO to > smoking...in this state..public places that is...I will go along with the > majority. I don't like it...but majority rules. > The medical school/university hospital campus where I work is now "smoke free." They sent out a questionaire about it, and I said I didn't agree with this forced compliance. It just makes employees take more breaks and go to their cars or across the street, etc. I don't think it should be the other way either though... smoke anywhere... because that isn't fair to those who would rather not breathe it. She put out her butt asking: > > Now IF Joni came to your house for a visit..I suppose you don't let anyone > smoke in your house...would you make an exception for her? > I would ask her to please not smoke in my house... that we don't. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:25:35 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Joni Catalog I am so excited I can barely stand it! When I heard Joni was going to have her opening at Lev Moross' gallery in L.A. I knew there was no way I could go. I remembered Ashara's kindness when she picked up a catalog for me from the Mendel exhibit in 2000 and thought, perhaps, I could get someone to do the same for me from L.A. I politely asked offlist (so as not to start a stampede of requests) if I paid for the catalog whether the person would be willing to purchase it for me and they said they would do their best. When I heard back that the mission was successful I was elated and waited patiently for word that it was on it's way. Yesterday I checked my mail and was dismayed to find a large package sitting in a puddle of water on my front porch wet and bedraggled looking, I prayed it wasn't my catalog. It was. I quickly wiped the parcel off and opened it to find the catalog was well-packed inside and had suffered no water damage, my heart leapt. I haven't seen any specifics of the catalog so I will do my best to describe it here. It is 15" tall X 7-5/8" wide Upon opening the package there is a brown paper band around the book with "joni mitchell" printed in black ink all lower case letters The book is bound in brown corrugated cardboard, ridges out and running vertically up and down the cover. In the center of the cover the initials "jm" - also lower case have been stamped so as to make them the only part of the cover which is "flattened". The front and read end-papers are prints of her work, the first page reads Lev Moross Gallery at the top, joni mitchell mixed media originals in the center and the dates of the show (which has now been extended into January but the date still reads December 18). On this page, much to my delight, the book is personalized "To Cassy" and signed. I cannot tell you how excited I am, not only that it's personalized but that she actually spelled my name right! It brought tears of joy to my eyes to read my name in her handwriting. The next page reads "Green Flag Song" and there is a photo of Joni full page next to it. What a lovely black and white photo of her, full-length sitting on a metal ladder wearing jeans and black leather ankle high boots. Her hair is up and she looks graceful and beautiful (she is aging wonderfully well) There begins the exhibit... Six pages of "The Beat of Black Wings" lyrics with opposing pages containing three images each. Then ten pages of "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" with images followed by five pages of "The Three Great Stimulants" Then "If I Had a Heart I'd Cry" . At the end of the book are the plates where we find two additional black and white photos interspersed, one of her with Lev sitting apparently discussing the exhibit and the second a portrait of her seated in front of one of her pieces, cigarette in hand, laughing and looking fabulous. On the printers page which is at the end of the book it clearly states the regular edition of the catalog is limited to 2,000 and the deluxe edition to 275 copies. I'd like to thank my list-angel for all the effort on my behalf to get this book into my hands. I am moved by the gift of your extra time. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:57:57 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Quoting BlueForTheRoses@aol.com: > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? Also for "Last Time I Saw Richard?" > I think both of these are better on that live album, than on their original > studio releases. I think for me, it has something to do with the way she > sang them live....so much emotion pouring from her voice. Anyone > else have an > opinion? Rick > "Cactus Tree" is good on MOA, though I like the studio version at least as well. But I disagree strongly about "Richard"--that silly and condescending waitress voice just destroys it for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:00:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, gay marriage - --- BlueForTheRoses@aol.com wrote: > I think the > Catholic Church historically > is one of the WORST institutions about dragging its > feet and not getting with > the program. Considering how long it took them to apologize to Galileo, I wouldn't be holding my breath (especially if there's a smoker in the room - heh-heh.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:04:41 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Cactus Tree In a message dated 12/7/06 2:51:10 PM, BlueForTheRoses@aol.com writes: > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? > I have always thought that too, its more soulful, mature and heartfelt, and I like the overall vocal much more on MOA... totally agree on that.. and I think Amelia from Shadows and Light exceeds even heija's version as well, i LOVE it in the snippets i heard from WOHAM ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:14:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni Catalog >I haven't seen any specifics of the catalog >so I will do my best to describe it here. For those not fortunate enough to have list angels who purchase art books at openings, the entire Green Flag Song exhibit has been put on-line: http://jonimitchell.com/painter Once there, choose to "browse the Green Flag Song collection" at the bottom of the page. I'd be interested in opinions on this set. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:24:29 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? hi >>>joseph wrote >>>>>>I ask this to non-smokers like me: If you are with Joni in some cafe >>>>>>and she starts smoking while talking to you, would you tell her to >>>>>>stop smoking for your sake or will you endure it for the entire >>>>>>duration? For me, I think I will endure being pillaged by her smoke >>>>>>rings. After all, its not everyday that you are in the presence of a >>>>>>musical deity. not only would i endure it - i would then collect the ashtray with the butts & then put them up for auction on e-bay one by one as "joni's butt" with adeliberately misleading photo. & i wouldnt feel at all like a hypocrite - there are a some people whose smoking i tolerate out of respect (family & friends). some people whose smoking i tolerate out of fear (well kind of - people like the chairman of our company), and the occasional person whose smoking i tolerate just 'cause im horny (well weve all been down to the pickup station seeking truth & beauty, had a few drinks & wound up not so choosy) but generally i really dislike smoking mainly 'cause im jealous of all the breaks the smokers get during the day at work. ron np - load of shit - crazed cowboys (guess which president theyre talking about??) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? - --- Cassy wrote: > Though I wouldn't let her smoke in my home, being > out and about would be a > different subject entirely. If I were in Joni's > company and she lit up, I > would not say anything at all to her about it. Of > course in many > restaurants and cafes it's now illegal to smoke > anyway and the odds of Joni > inviting me to lunch are slim to none. > Assuming Joni ever would invite me out to lunch, and assuming she's picking up the tab ;-) and she lit up, I'd request a seat near an open window and I'd tell her why. I know she's addicted to the stuff and she seems to like it as well, and I doubt she's ever going to quit. I've put up with people smoking around me and it's not bad if you're in an area that's either very well-ventilated or outside. But closed up somewhere with a bunch of smokers, no matter how much I may like them, isn't how I would choose to spend my time. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:34:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? - --- ron wrote: > but generally i really dislike smoking mainly 'cause > im jealous of all the > breaks the smokers get during the day at work. > > Be a rebel. Take a smoking break and then don't smoke. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:37:05 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: try another (not!) NJC Next...IPOD"S...bad for the hearing...you know... A bit ago I was waiting for someone in the car while they ran into get a few groceries....I noticed that most people weren't wearing hats. So I did a little game to the past the time...count who was wearing hats. I would say that close to 100 percent of people getting in and out of their cars didn't have any kind of head cover. Today the temperatures are frigid...wind gusts about twenty miles per hour. ...bitter cold. How many of these people will have to go the doctor's because of sinus problems..... It took everything I had not to go up the old lady and ask..."where in God's name is your hat..lady?!" Or to the father...."why doesn't your kid have a hat on...vanity....why..?" Good question...Cassey..when will it end... Bree >Long-term these steps have to be an improvement in our nation's health >which is a good thing but where will it end? > >Warmly, >Cassy > >NP: Drive-By Truckers - A World of Hurt _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:44:04 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: "A horse with no name" I really like this song, and the group who sings it-America... does anyone have any ideas about what the song is about? thanks... I've seen America once, and I'm looking foward to seeing them again next month... _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:46:53 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC gay marriage... So do you wear a hat when you go out in the cold? Or is that too personal? I'm the new...as of today.. hat Nazi. I would let Joni smoke in my smoke-free house..because on my death bed...what does it really matter anyway....what do things matter...the little things anyway. OF course I understand smoke irritating your sinuses...not a good thing. Bree > > That second hand stuff is crappola! > >Tell that to my sinuses after I've spent a day in a >room full of smokers. This is, sadly, one of the >reasons I just won't - can't - go to visit one of my >sisters for any length of time. She and her husband >smoke like the proverbial chimneys. I'm allergic to >the stuff and sinusitis is NOT fun and the antibiotics >you have to take to combat it are expensive and >something I'd rather not take, given a choice. > >Good luck though, Bree - quitting is not easy! > > > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:49:44 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: will you endure the smoke from Joni's cigarettes? Or spend your time picking up their butts... > > but generally i really dislike smoking mainly 'cause > > im jealous of all the > > breaks the smokers get during the day at work. > > > > > >Be a rebel. Take a smoking break and then don't smoke. > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:56:25 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: "A horse with no name"NJC In a message dated 12/7/2006 5:53:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, icnh@hotmail.com writes: I really like this song, and the group who sings it-America... does anyone have any ideas about what the song is about? thanks... I've seen America once, and I'm looking foward to seeing them again next month.. that song is SUCH A drug reference...but I like it too....but honestly I've always thought it truly was a drug trip in the song...Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:11:05 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC, smoking You are so right...it's the ones after meals... with a cocktail.. the others don't really taste that good.. But cigs help to past time...for instance today while waiting for someone in the car..i'd ustually smoke several....so I counted hats instead. I tell you it's a whole new world. >the 20 or so I would smoke a day. The other >18-19 I could have done without, but it doesn't work >that way. > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:23:55 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: try another (not!) VLJC NJC Em, Contrary to what Bree says, that second hand smoke stuff is not crapola. Try to get our GF not to smoke in enclosed spaceswhile you are arounf, as you already recognize, she's jeopardizing your health. My father smoked like a chimney (about 5 packs a day); consequently all the children in my family and my mother had respiratory problems--and, like a fool, 3 out of 4 of us ended up as smokers, including me for way too many years. My sister had a double lung transplant over 10 years ago. She is certain that secondary smoke endangered the health of all in our house, and probably predisposed us to start smoking in the first place. See her picture here: http://www.transplantbuddies.org/images/pix.html#kathryn And read her stories here: http://www.2ndwind.org/members/kathryn_flynn.html http://www.2ndwind.org/about/board.html She has since completed that master's degree and is a special educator of blind children in Raleigh. So please stay away from that smoke! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:01 PM To: Smurf; anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: try another (not!) VLJC NJC - --- Smurf wrote: > I am trying to help a very good friend who's making > his first baby steps towards quitting now. I wish my GF would quit. A. because I want her to be healthy and be around for a long time and feel well B. her addiction sometimes messes me up. Today being just such an instance. I walk into the bathroom, where she has sprayed (apparently) HUGE amounts of perfume or cologne. WHOA! I immediately had the first asthma symptoms that I have felt in years. Its like it sucked the air right out of my lungs. Couldn't clear my throat. Then on the way into work, in the car, she SMOKES with the window shut. Finally I realized what was making me feel so ill and I asked her to just go ahead and open the window. And then we froze. Apparently, just putting the damn thing out wasn't an option. And now here I sit at work, feeling all flu-like. Achey, scratchy throat, sneezing, slightly runny nose. And I didn't have ANY of this til I ran into her WALL OF SMELLS this a.m. I mean I love the girl and all, but damn, its like she's trying to kill me. She should just send that perfume to North Korea, then they could give up their nukes knowing they have another way to off the rest of the world should the need arise. :( Em ps: sorry, that was a whine...I know. But I wasn't sick before. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #466 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------