From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #460 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 5 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 460 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tom Waits (NJC) [studio16a ] Re: Timothy White benefit videos - NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Tom Waits (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Chomp chomp(njc) [Em ] "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder ["] Vagrant Winter ["P. Henry" ] All the good threads (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder [Catherine McKay ] Re: Vagrant Winter [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] James Taylor and Joan the Bone [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, National Congressional Call-In Day ["Patti Parlette" ] (NJC) Bumpersticker, lol ... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: indicting bush NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Vagrant Winter now NJC ["Cassy" ] Leo Kottke in Kalamazoo MI - NJC ["Cassy" ] Excuse banwidth - attn: Jerry N. ["Cassy" ] Re: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Truckers, Joni band challenge [Bruce Eggleston ] 99 best songs ever written ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:23:51 +0000 From: studio16a Subject: Tom Waits (NJC) Thanks for all the links to Tom Waits on various talk shows. Great stuff! Didn't see this one mentioned - Tom singing "The Piano Has Been Drinking" on a show called Fernwood Tonight - hilarious!! - both his performance and the chat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0E7x3Nqys best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Timothy White benefit videos - NJC New Mellencamp coming out January 23, Cassy - from what I've read it sounds like a great record. Bob NP: Laura, "Crazy Love" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:50:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tom Waits (NJC) How I mess Fernwood Tonight and Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. With all the crap on 200 channels you would think they could make room for showing these. Jerry > Didn't see this one mentioned - Tom singing > "The Piano Has Been Drinking" on a show > called Fernwood Tonight - hilarious!! - both > his performance and the chat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 05:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Chomp chomp(njc) yes!!!!!! GO GATORS!!!! it almost makes up for the miserable Bucs. :D Em - --- gene wrote: > i guess it's time to get on the gator bus--GO GATORS EAT OHIO > STATE!!! gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Johnson" > To: "joni List" > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Chomp chomp(njc) > > > > It's now official! Florida vs. Ohio State in the National > > Championship game on Jan.8th! > > > > Whooohooo!!! > > > > Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:20:48 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder I'm running behind the times, so maybe this has been seen or mentioned previously. But just in case (from the LA Daily News): http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537112 Mia _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:32:44 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Vagrant Winter Any Bob Seger fans out there? Well, I was looking over the Ron Coden auction and I noticed that it was published by Hideout Records which reminded me of the old Detroit Hideout club rock venue so I started googling and came across a legendary album called The Best Of Hideout Records which didn't have any cuts by Ron but quite a few by "Bob Seger and The Last Heard", his original band as well as many sixties local bands. So then I started looking for links to them. Many know of the famous Bob Seger and his many nationwide hits but few outside of us old Detroiters recall Bob Seger and The Last Heard or seeing him on the afternoon DJ show doing their "big" local hit, "Heavy Music" and "Heavy Music part II". (Seger's style was to wear his hair so long in the front thay you never saw his eyes) Anyway, that was the only song I remembered of theirs from back then so, naturally, I started browsing through the songs in these comps I found and imagine my surprise when I found one entitled "Vagrant Winter"! There is absolutely no chance that he got that phrase for the title of that song, whoever wrote it, from anywhere else than Joni. Anyone ever heard it? Rambling On, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:49:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: All the good threads (njc) De-lurking a moment to say that there are a lot of good threads going...too many for me to answer separately. They all make for interesting reading! Patti, your posts have been so wonderful and honest! My heart smiles whenever I read one of them. I happened to catch Cat Stevens on Sunday Morning as well and I'm still in love with his voice too. I knew about the "Rusdie (sp?) must die thing" and was curious about his current feelings on the situation. I listened to him with my heart and felt that this was something he really wished he could have taken back. "Religion" can make a heart cold when it shouldn't be sometimes and being forgiven for things said isn't always a luxury allowed. That's why I try to watch my words more closely now. It isn't worth the pain it causes.The only thing he can do is follow his own heart and live the best life he can anyway. No matter what, his voice really is a gift. You can tell whenever he sings that it is. I also got a chance to see the tail end of James Taylor's special and hope I get to see the whole thing in it's entirety again. I don't care how many times he sings "Fire and Rain"...I always love it! Victor, I'm happy that your team won my friend. Paz, I hope you're having a great time in Aruba! It sounds wonderful! Cassy, hello and thank you! Adding to the threads, I saw "Bruce Hornsby at Town Hall" last night and really, really loved it! Bruce is from Williamsburg, Virginia. I found some similarities in his style with Dave Matthews who is from the Richmond, Virginia area. They both have their own styles but there are a few similarities. Bruce said in the ending credits that he attracts two kinds of audiences; an older crowd who would like to sit quietly and watch with their spouse, and a younger crowd who just wants to get up and dance! He says the two don't always get along! What I love about the concert was how he took the songs to a new musical place and how the band was really jamming on that stage! I wish I could have been there! Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder - --- mia _ wrote: > I'm running behind the times, so maybe this has been > seen or mentioned > previously. But just in case (from the LA Daily > News): > > http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537112 > > Mia > I think you're the first to mention this, Mia, unless I missed it. Do people get Seasonal Affective Disorder in LA? I thought it was a function of light, or lack thereof. It's pretty gloomy in the north these days but I think I would miss snow if I lived in a southern climate. (Snow is best if it falls only on the grassy areas and maybe rooftops, but not on roads or sidewalks.) "River" sounds to me like a big, long sigh. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:07:08 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC > Bree..up late watching Christmas movies....longing for simpler > and saner times.. Bree, I think that really describes in a nutshell the feelings of so many conservative/Republican voters: they (you?) seem to want a return to the 1940s or 1950s when things seemed simpler and more sane. Yes? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:20:46 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Vagrant Winter Howdy Pat - I'm assuming you're not preparing for a vagrant winter down there in your part of the world... I'm a Seger fan - everything up to Stranger In Town anyway. Living in Detroit area from '65 to '68 I remember hearing Bob Seger's name and I remember the local hit "Heavy Music" as well - probably heard it on WKNR (Keener radio) a few times. My older sister loved it and still does. I recall him playing Cobo Hall a lot, maybe that was later. That's an interesting point about "Vagrant Winter" (which appears to have come out in 1967) - given that Joni was in the same area, it's certainly coincidental. I did some quick searching but no clues as to any ties between the two songs. Seger's song is (not surprisingly) much weaker than Joni's. And speak of the devil, I just stumbled on a fresh cover of UFG today, so color me happy. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Karen Revisited" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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That's very sweet I think, and so is he! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:01:42 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning Bob Muller wrote: >Thanks for your thoughts, Patti - I didn't mean to spoil the party or >derail the peace train or anything, I was just curious as to what your >thoughts were on that issue. You dug down pretty deep - hope you don't lose >good sleep! Thank you for not finishing that Joni sentence! (When you dig down deep, though, it can be a good thing -- in the end, at least. Kind of like a spiritual root canal, when you get rid of all the bad toxic stuff that prevents growth and purity of spirit. Kinda sets your soul free, you know?) It's okay. It was just a little bit of rain on my peace parade, but now it's gone. It's better to know everything you can than to have blind idolatry of any one. "Only a reminder" that no human being is perfect. Whatever he may have said, Cat's *music* still keeps me inspired to work for peace, and to "go where true love goes." As far as derailing the peace train....ha! All the King George's horses and all the King's men could not derail my peace train nor drag me from it. "Riding that train, high on campaign!" (Funny aside/quelle coincidence thing: this morning I turned on the news to see that the train that choo choos at the end of my backyard every day derailed only a 1/4 mile from my house! Yikes and holy railroad spikes!) > >And you're right, forgiveness is an awesome thing and having been on both >sides of it myself I can attest to its power. Of course now you realize if >Creeperman begs forgiveness you HAVE to grant it, right? :o) > Ha! Laughing.....but then crying. That will never happen (that he would beg forgiveness). Mr. Bi-partisan ("NO ONE wants to end this war more than * I * do, and that's a FACT!") was on Meet the Press yesterday (I think that's the one) saying we have to stay in Iraq yada yada security yada yada peace yada yada. No good reception for him so I turned him off. He'll never beg forgiveness because *he* is right and has the courage of HIS convictions and he's been kissed by Bush and now he's re-elected for SIX freakin' years so he's now as smug (no typo) as a bug in a rug. Thanks, too, Randy and Ron for your thoughtful comments on Cat/Jusuf. xo! And Em, it was GWB himself who first called this whole mess-0-potamia a "crusade". I heard it with my own ears and shuddered when I did. Okay, I'd better shut up. I feel a rant comin' on! Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. Bolton resigned! One by one...... _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:27:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC I think it is something we all long for no matter what our political beliefs. I can remember being so poor that we lived above my grandmother on a busy street My mother, pregnant with her third child, was selling Christmas trees in our (shared) driveway and yard while my father worked two jobs. She would have to put on boots and a heavy coat and go up and down the stairs. The single string of colored lights from the street to the yard dazzled me, much like my own Harlem in Havana. I was about 5 and all the people coming and going with their trees, happy in the season, was just as exciting as it got. My mother had me convinced that it was custom to put up the tree and decorate on Christmas Eve. Little did I know we were taking what was left and unsold, but the memory of seeing my father carry the tree up those back stairs even 50 years later gives me chills. Jerry >> Bree..up late watching Christmas movies....longing for simpler >> and saner times.. > > Bree, I think that really describes in a nutshell the feelings of so many > conservative/Republican voters: they (you?) seem to want a return to the > 1940s or 1950s when things seemed simpler and more sane. > > Yes? > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:28:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, National Congressional Call-In Day Dear American Joniamigos: "War is over, if you want it....." Today is the day to call your senators and congressperson. Call them at the station, the lines are open! Peace, Patti P. The details are in this message: Dear Patti, Remember National Congressional Call-In Day Monday, December 4th Members of Congress return to Washington, DC, today, Monday, December 4, to discuss their legislative priorities for the new session. Let's greet them with a flood of phone calls, because many still don't understand that the troops need to come home from Iraq -- NOW! Even Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic leader, has said "We're not going to do anything to limit funding or cut off funds." We can't let the new Democratic leadership sit back on their hands and refuse to take responsibility for the Iraq war. YOU can help us send this message to Congress. Here's what to do: - - Call the Congressional Switchboard at 202.224.3121 and ask for the office of your Representative or Senators. - - Ask to talk to the foreign policy advisor. If he or she is not there, ask to leave a voicemail. - - Once you have them on the phone, use these talking points: 1. This election was about the Iraq war, and we want a change! 2. I insist that Congress act immediately to bring all U.S. troops home from Iraq NOW! This includes limiting funding ONLY to withdrawal. 3. The US needs to pursue regional diplomacy for Iraq's future. It is the only way that the Middle East can find a way out of the chaos the US has created. 4. Congress has the power to end the U.S. occupation in Iraq and if it fails to do so, we will hold them responsible for the continued violence in Iraq. Please make 3 phone calls: to your Representative and to each of your Senators. Call the Capitol Switchboard TODAY at 202.224.3121 and help us ensure that a withdrawal from Iraq will be a top priority! PS. Don't forget to email us at Action@VotersForPeace.org to let us know who you speak to and if you get a response. Sincerely, Linda Schade Executive Director VotersForPeace.US Click Here to Unsubscribe from VotersForPeace Emails VotersForPeace 6930 Carroll Avenue, Suite 240 Takoma Park, MD 20912 301-270-2355 Copyright 2006 VotersForPeace.US All rights reserved _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:29:59 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? I was on the tribute site for Joni at my space.com: http://www.myspace.com/folkicon and River plays repeatedly. Such a beautiful song! As I was listening to the song and the lyrics, I was wondering who she may have written this song for. Based on her deep relationship with Graham Nash (I think), I was wondering if this song was written about him. Just curious... Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:42:50 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC >> Bree, I think that really describes in a nutshell the feelings of so many >> conservative/Republican voters: they (you?) seem to want a return to the >> 1940s or 1950s when things seemed simpler and more sane. > I think it is something we all long for no matter what our political beliefs. Jerry, I began to write something similar after my first comment, because that's very true. I do believe that most of us wish for a simpler, more sane life. However, I do have to wonder if people of different political beliefs might have a different means of achieving that goal. This description will seem simplistic (because it is), but it often seems to me that ... On the left hand, the "liberals" wish for more of a "live and let live" way of being, where the government generally doesn't poke its nose into our private lives. If the way you live doesn't hurt anyone else, then you should be allowed to do your thing, whatever it is. On the right hand, the "conservatives" believe that if there were just more structure, more religion, more adherence to some set of rules (in other words, if everyone knew their places and stayed in those places), life would be simple and "sane" again. Yes? No? Comments? Just stirring the pot, Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:17:29 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Bumpersticker, lol ... Seen a few minutes ago, on a car parked across the street from Mission San Rafael (http://mishuna.image.pbase.com/u48/ralf/upload/5979370.pict6128.jpg) which is about a block from where I work, this bumpersticker: "*The Rapture is not an exit strategy.*" Yep. Lori San Rafael, CA (work) Santa Rosa, CA (home) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:39:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I think it is something we all long for no matter > what our political > beliefs. I can remember being so poor that we lived > above my grandmother on > a busy street My mother, pregnant with her third > child, was selling > Christmas trees in our (shared) driveway and yard > while my father worked two > jobs. She would have to put on boots and a heavy > coat and go up and down the > stairs. The single string of colored lights from the > street to the yard > dazzled me, much like my own Harlem in Havana. I was > about 5 and all the > people coming and going with their trees, happy in > the season, was just as > exciting as it got. My mother had me convinced that > it was custom to put up > the tree and decorate on Christmas Eve. Little did I > know we were taking > what was left and unsold, but the memory of seeing > my father carry the tree > up those back stairs even 50 years later gives me > chills. > > Jerry > Jerry, this is a beautiful image. I think I can see the string of lights. My inner child is envious that you guys got to sell Christmas trees. At one point, that might have been my ideal job. Funny how things change. My Dad would always wait until the last minute on Christmas Eve to get a tree - I think he was too cheap to buy one sooner. We weren't poor, but my Dad could be cheap about certain things - but he also didn't like putting up the tree any earlier than that. We kids hated that. As far as longing for simpler and saner times, it was all simple and sane when we were kids and didn't know any better. I don't know about your families, but I think my parents managed to hide everything that wasn't going right because everything always seemed hunky dorey to me back then. Everything was under control. when I talk to my sisters, each one has a different take on that, so maybe things weren't as sane as I thought they were, but I was too busy daydreaming and making up stories to pay much attention. Today, as an adult and a parent, it all seems pretty chaotic. I think a lot of conservatives think things were simpler then, when, in fact, maybe there were just more rules and more people went along with them. These days people question everything. I've certainly brought my kids up to question things. That has caused some grief but ultimately, I think it's better to question things and not be led blindly along, believing our leaders know what's best. These days we all know that's not true. A lot of conservatives, and I think this is true in many countries - I know it's true here in Canada and in the US as well - believe that things were better back in Leave-it-to-Beaver land. But, hmmm, let's see - - women had fewer rights, being gay was taboo, you weren't supposed to have sex out of wedlock, children had no rights and it was OK to abuse them, non-whites were treated as much less than equal. Mrs Cleaver stayed home all day cleaning the house, baking cookies but always looking happy and energetic (yeah right!) And there was no Sunday shopping either, so what would the shopaholics do? Stay home and read the bible? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:37:38 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Vagrant Winter now NJC From: "P. Henry" <<< Many know of the famous Bob Seger and his many nationwide hits but few outside of us old Detroiters recall Bob Seger and The Last Heard or seeing him on the afternoon DJ show doing their "big" local hit, "Heavy Music" and "Heavy Music part II". (Seger's style was to wear his hair so long in the front thay you never saw his eyes). Wow, Pat, you're dredging up memories now! In the early 1970s I used to pay a buck to go see Bob Seger play at Aquinas high school on Friday nights, often with Teegarden & Van Winkle. Sometimes it would be Ted Nugent, sometimes Catfish Hodge I even saw Mitch Ryder play there a couple of times, it was always a dollar cover charge. Other local bands of the time were SRC and Stix & Stoned (Bobby Lewis still plays around town). Boy weren't those the days? Grandee Ballroom too, Johnny Winters and White Trash, Edgar Winters, Iggie and the Stooges (what a complete wildman live). Heck, even Jethro Tull played the Grandee for three nights in January 1969. Cassy, tripping down memory lane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:57:45 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Leo Kottke in Kalamazoo MI - NJC AN EVENING WITH LEO KOTTKE Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 8:00PM Reserved Seating $30 Quite possibly the most influential acoustic guitarist of our time, and maybe any time, Leo Kottke has forged a career that began in the 1960s and is still going strong today without any regard for pop music trends and fads, instead relying on his guitar virtuosity and his willingness to continually explore the possibilities of the acoustic guitar. From his groundbreaking 1970s recording, "6 AND 12 STRING GUITAR," to his collaboration with Phish bassist Mike Gordon on 2005's "SIXTY SIX STEPS," Kottke has carved out living legend status among guitar aficionados. If his stunning guitar work isn't enough, Kottke punctuates his live performances with his hilariously droll, stream-of-consciousness humor, and that is worth the price of admission by itself. Presale for email members only! Pre-sale for members of this e-mail list starts on Wednesday, Dec. 6, at 10am at the State Theatre and Ticketmaster.com The password is "LEO" (case sensitive)... tickets will go on sale to the general public on Friday, Dec. 8, at 10am. Visit Leo Kottke's official website at www.leokottke.com and if you want a special treat, go to www.youtube.com and search for Leo Kottke. TICKETS FOR LEO KOTTKE ARE ON SALE FRIDAY, DECEMBER 8TH AT 10:00AM!!! To purchase tickets, please visit the State Theatre Box Office, or through Ticketmaster by phone at 269.373.7000 and online at www.ticketmaster.com For more information on these & other shows, please visit www.kazoostate.com! Kalamazoo State Theatre 7 404 South Burdick Kalamazoo, MI 49007 7 269.345.6500 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:59:36 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Excuse banwidth - attn: Jerry N. Jerry do you have an alternate email address? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered >A message (from ) was received at 4 Dec 2006 22:43:52 >+0000. > > The following addresses had delivery problems: > > > Permanent Failure: Other address status > Delivery last attempted at Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:43:53 -0000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:48:55 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? In a message dated 12/4/2006 3:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: Based on her deep relationship with Graham Nash (I think), I was wondering if this song was written about him. Just curious... Yes, I believe that it was written after her relationshio with Graham fell apart. from Joni Mitchell.com... The emotionally naked songs on "Blue" were a result of Joni's wanting to shed the image of the hippie goddess she'd picked up in the past, and to be appreciated for her true self. If she was going to get this kind of rapturous attention, she felt that the reasons should be free of artifice. She says today that "At that period of my life, I had no personal defenses, so there's hardly a dishonest note in the vocals." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:09:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? In a message dated 12/4/2006 3:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: >Based on her deep relationship with Graham Nash (I think), I was wondering if this song was written about him. Just curious... I find that a composite is always the best guess with Joni. Based on some things she's said about James Taylor, he's very likely to be the one who loved her so naughty it made her weak in the knees. :) Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:03:29 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Who do you think Joni wrote River for? Thanks so much Rose! That's what I thought but just wasn't sure! Thank you for the insight into her life at the time. Sherelle Rose wrote: > >In a message dated 12/4/2006 3:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, >sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: > >Based on her deep relationship with Graham >Nash (I think), I was wondering if this song was written about him. Just >curious... > > > > >Yes, I believe that it was written after her relationshio with Graham fell >apart. >from Joni Mitchell.com... > >The emotionally naked songs on "Blue" were a result of Joni's wanting to >shed > the image of the hippie goddess she'd picked up in the past, and to be >appreciated for her true self. If she was going to get this kind of >rapturous >attention, she felt that the reasons should be free of artifice. She says >today >that "At that period of my life, I had no personal defenses, so there's >hardly >a dishonest note in the vocals." _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:09:24 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder Hi Catherine - Yes, it's pretty gloomy (and freezing cold) here, too, in Wisconsin. I don't mind it so much during the busy holidays and I could really stand winter if it wasn't so darn long. By the end of January, though, I've usually had it. I'm sure the light thingy might have something to do with it. But, it's strange... I really don't favor the sun - I prefer overcast days, especially in the summer. I find the sun harsh. I have a friend here who suffers from season affective disorder pretty bad. She lived in San Diego for about four years and said she felt "SAD" there, too, during winter. Maybe there's different degrees of SAD's, and maybe there's some sort of evolutionary function to this. And maybe SAD's doesn't really apply to "River" - but with Joni being so ultra sensitive and in tune to things...well, I guess one never knows... Mia <--- mia _ wrote: >I'm running behind the times, so maybe this has been >seen or mentioned previously. But just in case (from the LA Daily >News): > >http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537112 > >Mia > I think you're the first to mention this, Mia, unless I missed it. Do people get Seasonal Affective Disorder in LA? I thought it was a function of light, or lack thereof. It's pretty gloomy in the north these days but I think I would miss snow if I lived in a southern climate. (Snow is best if it falls only on the grassy areas and maybe rooftops, but not on roads or sidewalks.) "River" sounds to me like a big, long sigh. Catherine _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:26:51 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: "River" - the most exquisite expression of seasonal affective disorder Hi Catherine - Yes, it's pretty gloomy (and freezing cold) here, too, in Wisconsin. I don't mind it so much during the busy holidays and I could really stand winter if it wasn't so darn long. By the end of January, though, I've usually had it. I'm sure the light thingy might have something to do with it. But, it's strange... I really don't favor the sun - I prefer overcast days, especially in the summer. I find the sun harsh. I have a friend here who suffers from season affective disorder pretty bad. She lived in San Diego for about four years and said she felt "SAD" there, too, during winter. Maybe there's different degrees of SAD's, and maybe there's some sort of evolutionary function to this. And maybe SAD's doesn't really apply to "River" - but with Joni being so ultra sensitive and in tune to things...well, I guess one never knows... Mia <--- mia _ wrote: >I'm running behind the times, so maybe this has been >seen or mentioned previously. But just in case (from the LA Daily >News): > >http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537112 > >Mia > I think you're the first to mention this, Mia, unless I missed it. Do people get Seasonal Affective Disorder in LA? I thought it was a function of light, or lack thereof. It's pretty gloomy in the north these days but I think I would miss snow if I lived in a southern climate. (Snow is best if it falls only on the grassy areas and maybe rooftops, but not on roads or sidewalks.) "River" sounds to me like a big, long sigh. Catherine _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:30:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC Very sweet ..Jerry..thanks for sharing this. What you and Catherine shared reminds me ...you know...simpler and saner times for me forty years ago...but not necessarily for my parents. They just happened to shield me from all their worries. What was worrisome to them ...I haven't a clue really. And sometimes I feel very bad about being clueless about their concerns...heartaches...but then I was just a kid..what did I know. I'm glad..Jerry....that you always had at least one tree that didn't sell... Bree >--- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > I think it is something we all long for no matter > > what our political > > beliefs. I can remember being so poor that we lived > > above my grandmother on > > a busy street My mother, pregnant with her third > > child, was selling > > Christmas trees in our (shared) driveway and yard > > while my father worked two > > jobs. She would have to put on boots and a heavy > > coat and go up and down the > > stairs. The single string of colored lights from the > > street to the yard > > dazzled me, much like my own Harlem in Havana. I was > > about 5 and all the > > people coming and going with their trees, happy in > > the season, was just as > > exciting as it got. My mother had me convinced that > > it was custom to put up > > the tree and decorate on Christmas Eve. Little did I > > know we were taking > > what was left and unsold, but the memory of seeing > > my father carry the tree > > up those back stairs even 50 years later gives me > > chills. > > > > Jerry > > > >Jerry, this is a beautiful image. I think I can see >the string of lights. My inner child is envious that >you guys got to sell Christmas trees. At one point, >that might have been my ideal job. Funny how things >change. > >My Dad would always wait until the last minute on >Christmas Eve to get a tree - I think he was too cheap >to buy one sooner. We weren't poor, but my Dad could >be cheap about certain things - but he also didn't >like putting up the tree any earlier than that. We >kids hated that. > >As far as longing for simpler and saner times, it was >all simple and sane when we were kids and didn't know >any better. I don't know about your families, but I >think my parents managed to hide everything that >wasn't going right because everything always seemed >hunky dorey to me back then. Everything was under >control. when I talk to my sisters, each one has a >different take on that, so maybe things weren't as >sane as I thought they were, but I was too busy >daydreaming and making up stories to pay much >attention. Today, as an adult and a parent, it all >seems pretty chaotic. > >I think a lot of conservatives think things were >simpler then, when, in fact, maybe there were just >more rules and more people went along with them. These >days people question everything. I've certainly >brought my kids up to question things. That has caused >some grief but ultimately, I think it's better to >question things and not be led blindly along, >believing our leaders know what's best. These days we >all know that's not true. > >A lot of conservatives, and I think this is true in >many countries - I know it's true here in Canada and >in the US as well - believe that things were better >back in Leave-it-to-Beaver land. But, hmmm, let's see >- women had fewer rights, being gay was taboo, you >weren't supposed to have sex out of wedlock, children >had no rights and it was OK to abuse them, non-whites >were treated as much less than equal. Mrs Cleaver >stayed home all day cleaning the house, baking cookies >but always looking happy and energetic (yeah right!) > >And there was no Sunday shopping either, so what would >the shopaholics do? Stay home and read the bible? > > > > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:12:59 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Truckers, Joni band challenge I know it isn't polite list etiquette, but +1 on the Truckers! Way hard rockin' band, seemingly carrying the torch for the classic rock I know and love. Keep on truckin' dudes. Rock lives in these guys. Hey Alison, I'm a native of Sandy (suburb of slc to you non-Utah- types). Graduated from Jordan High School in the down-right dirty Class of '69! Moved out in 1989 to the Northwest. The first time I saw Joni was in the Highland High Auditorium (in Salt Lake) on the Miles of Aisles Tour with Tom Scott and the L.A. Express. Whew! What a great fabulously tight show that was. I believe the room seats about 2,000 to 2,500, and it has very good accoustics, hot and lively. They played almost exactly what came out on the album, That band was perfectly in Joni's heart and mind. All I could think about during the concert was crawling up to the stage and proposing marriage to Ms. Mitchell. I'm sorry I didn't. She was radiantly beautiful, in tremendous voice and sang like an angel, or two. Joni played a huge Steinway grand for the entire show with a single red rose in a crystal vase on the piano. That show is easily one of the peak experiences of my simple life. I truly felt like I was in the presence of a diety, her genius was god-like in that show. "I'd trade all my tomorrows for just one more yesterday" ... with Joni playing in that band. I've only seen Joni twice, the second time at the George at George, Washington, Sunday May 17, 1988, with Van and Bob. But, I'd dare say that the Miles of Aisles band was her best. Challenge (if it hasn't been done to death): What is your favorite Joni band? I know many of you might prefer Joni solo, but that doesn't count in this challenge, if you please. Name just one band. And you know where my moniker comes from, Bonneville Bruce Now rockin' in Sunnyslope, Idaho > From: "Alison J Einerson" > Subject: Truckers NJC > > I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM FOR YEARS! MY JACKOLANTERN WAS THE > COVER OF > SOUTHERN ROCK OPERA! i'm not kidding! they are my favorite band, bar > none, they come thru slc every 6 months or so, and i see them > everytime. > i've met them all thru my radio gig, i'm so lucky. if cooley weren't > married, i'd leave my husband in a second! and scott's cool with that, > that's how much my husband loves the truckers. it's the only thing > he'll > stay out past 10 PM for. > jesus, mikey, don't make me yell at you like this! i think bob and I > have talked about them on the list before, haven't we bob? > lol. > hearts, > Alison E in slc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:16:39 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: indicting bush NJC Not sure ..Lori....this pic...sort of says it all for me... saner..simpler...or simple...you be the judge.... http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/f/2006/338/2/1/Christmas68_by_braver2.jpg > > Bree..up late watching Christmas movies....longing for simpler > > and saner times.. > >Bree, I think that really describes in a nutshell the feelings of so many >conservative/Republican voters: they (you?) seem to want a return to the >1940s or 1950s when things seemed simpler and more sane. > >Yes? > >Lori >Santa Rosa, CA _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:27:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 99 best songs ever written Perhaps some of you want to vote for your favorite Joni song- Performing Songwriter Magazine is compiling a list of the 99 best songs ever written, for its 99th issue. You can vote here: http://www.performingsongwriter.com/pages/home/99songs.cfm ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #460 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------