From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 4 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell voted number 60 in Australia ! ["Ashley" ] Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning [Bob Muller ] JT Video ["Cassy" ] Re: yay!!!!!!! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning ["ron" ] Re:Re:Sarah mentions Joni ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Covers 83 [Bob Muller ] Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning [Bob Muller ] Barbara Thompson on Emusic njc ["Azeem" ] Re: Covers 83 Rydahl [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Covers 83 [billdollinger ] Chomp chomp(njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Chomp chomp(njc) ["gene" ] Timothy White benefit videos - NJC ["Cassy" ] this month's covers ["anne@sandstrom.com" ] RE: saner and simpler times? a little JT - lots of Lincoln (njc) ["anne@s] Charity Celebrity Auction - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: Charity Celebrity Auction - NJC ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:18:09 +1100 From: "Ashley" Subject: Joni Mitchell voted number 60 in Australia ! =20 Pink Floyd tops ABC's best albums poll Australian Broadcasting Corporation Sunday Dec 3 21:48 AEDT Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon has been voted Australia's = favourite album of all time in a national poll conducted by the ABC. The 1973 concept album topped the survey of more than 100,000 = Australians, who voted by phone, online and by SMS. A surprising second was the 1994 album Grace, by American = singer-songwriter Jeff Buckley. It was the only full studio album by Buckley, who drowned in 1997, and = did not gain significant commercial success until after his death. =20 =20 =20 Third was the 1997 hit album OK Computer by British rock band = Radiohead. The Beatles took out the next two places with Abbey Road (1969)=20 in fourth and Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)=20 in fifth. Nirvana's Nevermind,=20 Led Zeppelin's IV,=20 Blood Sugar Sex Magik by The Red Hot Chilli Peppers,=20 Bat Out Of Hell by Meatloaf and=20 U2's Joshua Tree rounded out the top ten. The highest Australian entry was Midnight Oil's 1982 breakthrough = record 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 at No. 23. in Red is what I have as a CD, Cassette or record in purple, have heard of in black..well!! The Top 100 1-10 1.. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon=20 2.. Jeff Buckley - Grace=20 3.. Radiohead - Ok Computer=20 4.. The Beatles - Abbey Road=20 5.. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band=20 6.. Nirvana - Nevermind=20 7.. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin 4=20 8.. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik=20 9.. Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell=20 10.. U2 - The Joshua Tree=20 11-20 11.. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here=20 12.. The Beatles - The Beatles - White Album=20 13.. The Beatles - Revolver=20 14.. Pink Floyd - The Wall=20 15.. Radiohead - The Bends=20 16.. Neil Diamond - Hot August Night=20 17.. Neil Young - Harvest=20 18.. Carole King - Tapestry=20 19.. Pearl Jam - Ten=20 20.. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours=20 21-30 21.. Tool - Aenima=20 22.. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks=20 23.. Midnight Oil - 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1=20 24.. Silverchair - Diorama=20 25.. AC/DC - Back In Black=20 26.. The Clash - London Calling=20 27.. The Whitlams - Eternal Nightcap=20 28.. Queen - A night at the Opera=20 29.. The Pixies - Doolittle=20 30.. Missy Higgins - The Sound Of White=20 31-40 31.. Paul Simon - Graceland=20 32.. Anthony Callea - Anthony Callea=20 33.. U2 - Achtung Baby=20 34.. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust and the spiders from Mars=20 35.. Radiohead - Kid A=20 36.. The Beatles - Rubber Soul=20 37.. The Stone Roses - Stone Roses=20 38.. Wolfmother - Wolfmother=20 39.. Oasis - What's The Story Morning Glory=20 40.. Tool - Lateralus=20 41-50 41.. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head=20 42.. Bob Dylan - Highway 61=20 43.. Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks=20 44.. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks=20 45.. The Living End - The Living End=20 46.. The Strokes - Is this It?=20 47.. Silverchair - Neon Ballroom=20 48.. The Eagles - Hotel California=20 49.. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead=20 50.. You Am I - Hourly Daily=20 51-60 51.. The Cure - Disintegration=20 52.. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde=20 53.. Lou Reed - Transformer=20 54.. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run=20 55.. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication=20 56.. Metallica - Master of Puppets=20 57.. Cat Stevens - Tea for the Tillerman=20 58.. R.E.M - Automatic For The People=20 59.. Muse - Absolution=20 60.. Joni Mitchell - Blue=20 61-70 61.. Prince - Purple Rain=20 62.. ABBA - Arrival=20 63.. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road=20 64.. Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms=20 65.. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue=20 66.. Cold Chisel - East=20 67.. The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness=20 68.. The Who - Who's Next=20 69.. Yes - Close To The Edge=20 70.. Deep Purple - Machine Head=20 71-80 71.. Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine=20 72.. Green Day - American Idiot=20 73.. Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction=20 74.. INXS - Kick=20 75.. David Bowie - Hunky Dory=20 76.. The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream=20 77.. Def Leppard - Hysteria=20 78.. Foo Fighters - The Colour and The Shape=20 79.. U2 - Rattle and Hum=20 80.. Delta Goodrem - Innocent Eyes=20 81-90 81.. John Farnham - Whispering Jack=20 82.. You Am I - Hi Fi Way=20 83.. Darren Hayes - The Tension & The Spark=20 84.. Crowded House - Woodface=20 85.. Live - Throwing Copper=20 86.. Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral=20 87.. Massive Attack - Blue Lines=20 88.. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin 2=20 89.. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells=20 90.. Radio Birdman - Radios Appear=20 91-100 91.. Ben Folds Five - Whatever and Ever Amen=20 92.. Crowded House - Crowded House=20 93.. Powderfinger - Vulture Street=20 94.. The Killers - Hot Fuss=20 95.. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers=20 96.. Silverchair - Frogstomp=20 97.. Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf=20 98.. Portishead - Dummy=20 99.. Soundgarden - Superunknown=20 100.. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground & Nico=20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of space.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell voted number 60 in Australia ! Not a surprise to me :) I've been a Grace champion since it was released and believe its influence is just beginning to be recognized. Always in my top five cd list and Jeff Buckley's talent still overwhelms me. Jerry > > A surprising second was the 1994 album Grace, by American = > singer-songwriter Jeff Buckley. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 05:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: yay!!!!!!! (njc) I can't agree with that - their first meeting was anything BUT boring, one of the few games to live up to the hype. And if they're the two best teams in college football (which is always open to debate), they SHOULD play for the championship. Just because they already played during the regular season shouldn't automatically disqualify the matchup. Besides, in almost every other sport, teams play each other more than once and it serves as a buildup of excitement rather than boredom. (Thinking mostly of college basketball). That's one of the beauties of sport; every game is a brand new day, and teams have a chance to adjust to what they saw the first time around. Bob NP: The Smashing Pumpkins, "In The Arms Of Sleep" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 06:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning Patti, I'm curious as to how you rationalize Yusuf's conversion to Islam and his support of the Ayatollah's death sentence fatwah against Salman Rushdie. Hardly a Peace Train move as I see it - it's like a Michael Richards/Mel Gibson moment...once you make a decision like that, there's no going back to what you were preceived as previously. Bob NP: Prince, "Lolita" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:19:42 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning From: "Bob Muller" <<< it's like a Michael Richards/Mel Gibson moment...once you make a decision like that, there's no going back to what you were preceived as previously. >>> I've been trying to teach something I learned a long time ago to my son; No matter how sorry you are for words spoken they always hang between people. Once something is said, there is no taking it back again, it's out there in the Universe. Choose words carefully, they can be sharper and cut deeper than knives. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:59:52 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: James Taylor River Video There is a wonderful video of James Taylor singing Joni's "River" on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000I0QK74/ref=amb_link_3938692_3/102- 9024263-2859316 It's in conjunction with his new Christmas CD "James Taylor at Christmas. Enjoy! Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:10:32 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: JT Video my apologies for the truncated link here it is again (hopefully corrected): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000I0QK74/ref=amb_link_3938692_3/102-9024263-2859316 Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:35:37 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: yay!!!!!!! (njc) On Dec 3, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > it seems boring to have a rematch.> > > I can't agree with that - their first meeting was anything BUT > boring, one of the few games to live up to the hype. And if they're > the two best teams in college football (which is always open to > debate), they SHOULD play for the championship. Just because they > already played during the regular season shouldn't automatically > disqualify the matchup. I'll give you that - for instance, I loved every minute of the Red Sox Yankees ALCS a few years ago. In college football though, unlike basketball, there is no playoffs, only the BCS system, which changes weekly, seemingly superimposing playoff ramifications onto every regular season game. As flawed as the system may be, I think Florida should have a chance to play for the national title as they haven't been beaten by Ohio State and "who you've been beaten by" seems to be such a major player in this system. I agree with you, the game itself would be anything but boring most likely if Michigan played Ohio State again. I meant more the idea of a rematch along with a lot of other factors. I couldn't even begin to figure out how those computers work but I guess we'll have an answer tonight. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:51:53 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning hi >>>bob wrote >>>>> I'm curious as to how you rationalize Yusuf's conversion to Islam and >>>>> his support of the Ayatollah's death sentence fatwah against Salman >>>>> Rushdie. Hardly a Peace Train move as I see it - it's like a Michael Richards/Mel Gibson moment...once you make a decision like that, there's no going back to what you were preceived as previously.<<<<< preceived?!? anyhoo - i dont see that his conversion to islam should make any difference to how anyone perceives him - a lot of people are attracted to islam for reasons other than the violence, killing, repression. im curious about the salman rushdie thing tho - i was always under the impression that this was kind of a media trap that cat yusuf fell into? kind of a loaded question thing, with him being foolish enough to respond to & be taken out of context? im not really sure why i got that impression - maybe something i read. also - even if he, & the others really did screw up & say something not socially acceptable (tho i dont really have any interest at all in michael richards or mel gibson) does that really invalidate everything else he already did? we all have bad moments where weve done & said things we regretted - just that some people have to deal with the press poncing (deliberate typo) on them when they do slip up... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:01:34 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re:Re:Sarah mentions Joni I can't remember where I read this (forgive me if it was here) but Sarah recently said she was very intimidated when she performed her River cover in front of Joni, who came to see her afterwards. Said Sarah - I thought she was going to slap me - but instead she gave me a big hug ! I chuckled at that image - imagine Joan slapping Sarah, not ! Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:09:08 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Covers 83 Hi Bob, thanks for the covers! I've been listening to them and reading you comments, and I have to say I find them all spot on. I was just listening to Rydahl again, and had a funny moment. I was trying to figure out why her version is so wrong. I mean, you can have a paper-thin voice and still have a message. I decided in the end that the problem is that she just doesn't know what she is singing about, it's like she is all up in the clouds but she definitely ignores their dark sides. Having just thought this, I listened up again, just in time to hear her ring out the final line in all innocense: "I really don't know clouds at all" I'm still laughing, she definitely hit the nail on the head there!! Are you sure the Lundell song is called Glad igen? Because I've been trying to find the lyrics and I can't find a song by him by that name. Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:48:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning Bob wrote: > >I'm curious as to how you rationalize Yusuf's conversion to Islam and his >support of the Ayatollah's death sentence fatwah against Salman Rushdie. >Hardly a Peace Train move as I see it - it's like a Michael Richards/Mel >Gibson moment...once you make a decision like that, there's no going back >to what you were preceived as previously. > Holy merde, Bob, your message hit me like a sucker punch! (I was having a Chelsea Morning...had just been startled (in a good way) by a bright bright ORANGE light....I had bought a box of clementines yesterday and had put them in a nice bowl on my counter, and forgotten about them. Then when I walked into the kitchen this morning the sun was pouring in like you-know-what right directly on the oranges and it was stunning. Like a Vermeer or Pieter de Hooch painting...beautiful! Throwing the lightness on these things....) Sorry for the tangent. That was just to show the "both sides now" feeling I had when I read your message which pierced my incredible lightness of being like a dark dagger. How do I rationalize his support of the Ayatollah thing? I don't, because I never *knew* about it! I had no idea. Honestly! Ignorance is bliss, I guess, and I just lost all my bliss with your message. Life is for learning, once again. So thank you for telling me this, even though I didn't want to know it. So I went on to watch the Cat segment, that I had been soooo looking forward to, with a more critical eye (my armload of bright ballons burst into thin air, you could say). I guess that's a good thing, though, in the end (knowlege is power), although it temporarily undid a little joy that could be. But then I got my bliss back. I always loved his music and his message of peace, and I still do. I think he explained himself well when asked the question about the Ayatollah stuff....(please keep in heart and mind that I only knew about this for ten minutes!).....he said he did not support it and like Ron said (thanks Ron...well put), he may have just been misunderstood or used or whatever, just at that moment of the world. He said it was a learning experience, and we all know that life is for learning. I think he used the wordl "evolvement" twice. Have you heard his "I''m just a soul who's intentions are good, Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood" song on the new CD? He is pleading for forgiveness for whatever people have perceived him to have done. Forgiveness is power, too. If you go to the biography on his website, he says quite eloquently (IMO) how he doesn't care for politics, but he still has love of peace in his heart, and expresses that through music. (I wish I could cut and paste that paragraph but it won't let me). He said something like "you can argue about politics, but you can't argue with music" (LOL....guess he's never been on the jmdl! ) And in the interview he spoke about reaching people heart-to-heart. Well, he succeeds with me. I wish everyone had his peaceful vision. Serenity NOW! (Is that from Seinfeld? What was that "holiday" they "celebrated" It's not coming to me right now...it will later I guess...oh yeah, Festivus! LOL.... Everybody yelling at each other....) Cat sings: "I have dreamt of a place and time, where nobody gets annoyed..." I like that, too. And "an open world, borderless and wide..." Maybe that's all just a dream some of us had, but it works for me. And as for his conversion to Islam? Who am I to judge? I don't know much about Islam. I used to be very religious, and when it was good, I would leave church in a peaceful, serene and spiritual zone. That's where his music puts me now. But no more organized religion where they try to mold you into middle class circumstance or their own agenda. As *I* evolve, I now *finally* understand what John Lennon meant when he sang "and no religions, too". The world has gone nuts with fundamentalist crazy extremists. Cat/Yusuf wrote: "I don't think that God sent us prophets and books to fight about these books and these prophets. But they were telling us, actually, how to live together. If we ignore those teachings...whichever faith you belong, you profess, then I think we'll be finding ourselves in an even deeper mess" So now I have my own personal "religion" -- some Zen and Ghandi and Jesus and some Joni (heart and humor and humility and truth) and John Lennon and Cat Stevens and MLK Jr and you know there may be more.....but no Mel Gibson or Michael Richards or Idi Amin or Saddam or Cheney and more there, too. As the other Joan said: "Take what you need and leave the rest..." NPIMH: "C'mon people, now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now. Right now." Pardon my free stream of conciousness (sp?) here.....we love our loving, but not like we love our freeeeEEEeeeeDOM, right? Freedom of Speech '06. I just had to get that all out so I could get on with my day and keep the peace and serenity I need to survive in this wild world. (TIC! Lesson in survival. Guru books, the bible, only a reminder....) Oh, and another thing I learned today: he wrote "The First Cut is the Deepest". I never knew that either. Okay, dears, we all shine on, right? "So shine, shine, shine..." Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. Randy, thanks for your explanation, which I just read now after writing my stream above. Don't kill. Absolument. Did you watch the segment and do you think he apologized enough? And does his his singing "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" do it enough, too? Please pardon me for not knowing the history here and that he had been a butthead. "I'm just a soul who's intentions are good...." _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning My point as well, Randy. And just to clarify, I wasn't inferring anything negative about his conversion to Islam in & of itself, although when you get into it it is a religion that advocates violence and promises instant salvation and ascent to heaven for martyrs. 9/11 couldn't have happened without that belief and it's what makes Muslim terrorism such a terrifying concept. Another interesting bit of trivia about Cat "Peace Train" Stevens - his first top 10 hit, "I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun". It's pretty peaceful too (he said with tongue firmly placed in cheek): Cat Stevens - I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun Lyrics I've been demoralized too many times But now I realize, Ah ah, no more. I'm gonna get me a gun I'm gonna get me a gunAnd all those people who put me down You better get ready to run, Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun I know my destiny is like the sun You see the best of me when I have got my gun I'm gonna get me a gun I'm gonna get me a gun And all those people who put me down You better get ready to run, Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun So you think you can push me around And make me run Well I'm gonna tell you now I'm gonna get me a gun I'm gonna get me a gun And all those people who put me down You better get ready to run, Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun Gonna get me a gun... Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Live As You Dream" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:42:07 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning hi >>>randy replied >>>> First, what happened: Mr. Cat was asked by a group of students how he >>>> felt about the fatwa against Rushdie. His reply was "the Koran makes it >>>> clear, he who defames the prophet must die"....when the publicity >>>> exploded, he played it like an ambush, claimed to be bewildered that he >>>> was being misunderstood... Now you could say he was just stating >>>> Islam's position (and he was), but here's my problem with it-he didn't >>>> express any regret, or restate his position, and didn't say, 'look, >>>> killing is just plain wrong, no matter who it is'....I don't know if he >>>> has addressed the incident lately, if he has I haven't heard about it. >>>> It comes off like an endorsement of murder for a piece of fiction, and >>>> his statements to the press afterwards come off like a politician. But, >>>> no it does not erase his earlier achievements, although it may cause >>>> some to avoid or boycott his work. I have heard his new song, and >>>> thought it sounded pretty good. Personally, I would not buy his >>>> material, past or present, unless, maybe, he relented and apologized >>>> for being a butthead. Thou shalt not kill and all that. thanks for the explanation. youve jogged my memory, and, being jogged, i have to admit it leaves a nasty taste. >>>>bob wrote >>>And just to clarify, I wasn't inferring anything negative about his >>>conversion to Islam in & of itself, although when you get into it it is a >>>religion that advocates violence and promises instant salvation and >>>ascent to heaven for martyrs. 9/11 couldn't have happened without that >>>belief and it's what makes Muslim terrorism such a terrifying >>>concept.<<<< well - i try to be nice about islam - cause there must surely be some good people in it. but personally i dont see any attraction whatsoever. and on a personal level - very few, if any, of the muslims i have met would do anything to change my mind. a couple of years back i nearly got involved with a muslim woman - she was terrific in every way - except when it came to islam it was like she was a whole different scary person. like talking to brick wall. ron np - woodstock - divisi ( these covers are taking over the ipod - im pretty much assured of one whenever i go on shuffle :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:30:17 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning > Patti P. > > > P.S. Randy, thanks for your explanation, which I just read now after > writing my stream above. Don't kill. Absolument. Did you watch the > segment and do you think he apologized enough? And does his his singing > "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" do it enough, too? Please pardon me for > not knowing the history here and that he had been a butthead. "I'm just > a soul who's intentions are good...." Great post, Patti- I did not see the recent thing, but it sounds like his heart is in the right place-he also re-recorded Peace Train a couple of years ago for charity. Life is for learning...the things he said about getting along and not killing over ideas and books is true, if a little ironic. I think the Muslims that really believe that killing infidels will get them into heaven are the mirror image of the fundamentalist lunatic fringe in this country. I know they don't all think that way, I've heard Mullahs arguing that Islam is not an inherently violent religion. Also, I think there is plenty of violence (and advocation of violence) in the Bible, too. I like to think that most Muslims (and most people) want to live and let live, although our occupation policies are pushing more of them into radicalism. Religion is a great tool for getting people worked up, and for convincing them they have devine approval for whatever they do. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:43:20 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Ulf Lundell's Carey Hello all, I don't know how familiar you are with the poet / musician / artist Ulf Lundell, he is quite big in Sweden. He made a song called 'Vppna Landskap' / Open landscapes, and it goes something like 'I thrive the best in open landscapes, close to the sea is where I want to live' which a lot of people are really fond of. It has been covered by a Danish singer, and although I find it a bit corny it's hard not to get moved by it. In any case, here comes the text of 'Glad igen', his cover of Carey which was among Bob's covers no 83. It's a very happy song about a man who has finally gotten over his heart-ache and wants to embrace the world. I find it quite touching because he is so wildly happy. I have translated it quite literally, that way you people can learn some swedish too! An easy language, you can start by saying your favourite singer is called Yoni Mishell! The chords are not mine, I copied the text from the internet. - ----------------- Glad igen /Happy again Text by Ulf Lundell Intro: E, A, B x4 [E] Vinden kommer in fren sydvdst, jag [B] sov ingenting i natt The wind comes in from South-West, I slept nothing last night Fvr himlens alla [A] stjdrnor dom glimma [E] mot mej som en [B] outtvmlig skatt For all the stars of the sky they twinkle at me like an inexhaustible treasure Och [E] vindarna bar med sej dofter [B] fren ett fjdrran hav And the winds carried with them scents from a far ocean Och mitt [A] hjdrta det stod [E] vidvppet och tog [B] emot allt vad natten gav And my heart it was left wide open and received everything the night gave Refrain: Se [B] kom hit, kom hit, kom [E] hit Kom till mej och [B] dansa So come here, come here, come here Come to me and dance [A] Morgonen doftar [E] ver Och jag dr [B] glad [E] igen [A] [B] The morning smells of spring And I am happy again [E] Glvmda dr svarta ndtterna de jag [B] gvmt mej fvr kvld och svek Forgotten are the black nights when I hid myself from coldness and deceit Och [A] glvmda dr alla [E] dagarna av [B] liv i ensamhet And forgotten are all the days of life in loneliness Och [E] glvmd dr hon som gick sin vdg fvr att [B] finna en annan vdn And forgotten is she who went her way find another friend Nu vill jag bara [A] dansa och flyga [E] vindens vdg och [B] vackert landa sen Now I will just dance and fly the wind's way and then land beautifully Refrain: Se [B] kom hit, kom hit, kom [E] hit Jag vill dansa med [B] er So come here, come here, come here I will dance with you [A] Morgonen doftar [E] ver Och jag dr [B] glad [E] igen [A] [B] The morning smells of spring And I am happy again Ja, [E] kom let oss stdlla till med fest i [B] verlig virveldans Yes, come let us celebrate in vernal whirling dance Kom let oss [A] snurra runt se att vera [E] terar far [B] ivdg i en fuktig svans Come let us spin around so that our tears fly off in a moist tail Och [E] ger du mej din hand se ger jag [B] dej min vilda famn And if you give me your hand then I will give you my wild embrace Och vill du ha mitt [A] hjdrta se dr det [E] vppet som en [B] vdlkomnande famn And if you want my heart then it is open like a welcoming embrace Refrain: Se [B] kom hit, kom hit, kom [E] hit Jag vill dansa med [B] dej [A] Morgonen doftar [E] ver Och jag dr [B] glad [E] igen [A] [B] So come here, come here, come here I will dance with you The morning smells of spring And I am happy again ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:28:54 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning From: "ron" > >>>bob wrote >>>>>> I'm curious as to how you rationalize Yusuf's conversion to Islam and >>>>>> his support of the Ayatollah's death sentence fatwah against Salman >>>>>> Rushdie. > Hardly a Peace Train move as I see it - it's like a Michael Richards/Mel > Gibson moment...once you make a decision like that, there's no going back > to what you were preceived as previously.<<<<< > > preceived?!? > > anyhoo - i dont see that his conversion to islam should make any > difference to how anyone perceives him - a lot of people are attracted to > islam for reasons other than the violence, killing, repression. im curious > about the salman rushdie thing tho - i was always under the impression > that this was kind of a media trap that cat yusuf fell into? kind of a > loaded question thing, with him being foolish enough to respond to & be > taken out of context? im not really sure why i got that impression - maybe > something i read. > > also - even if he, & the others really did screw up & say something not > socially acceptable (tho i dont really have any interest at all in michael > richards or mel gibson) does that really invalidate everything else he > already did? > > we all have bad moments where weve done & said things we regretted - just > that some people have to deal with the press poncing (deliberate typo) on > them when they do slip up... > First, what happened: Mr. Cat was asked by a group of students how he felt about the fatwa against Rushdie. His reply was "the Koran makes it clear, he who defames the prophet must die"....when the publicity exploded, he played it like an ambush, claimed to be bewildered that he was being misunderstood... Now you could say he was just stating Islam's position (and he was), but here's my problem with it-he didn't express any regret, or restate his position, and didn't say, 'look, killing is just plain wrong, no matter who it is'....I don't know if he has addressed the incident lately, if he has I haven't heard about it. It comes off like an endorsement of murder for a piece of fiction, and his statements to the press afterwards come off like a politician. But, no it does not erase his earlier achievements, although it may cause some to avoid or boycott his work. I have heard his new song, and thought it sounded pretty good. Personally, I would not buy his material, past or present, unless, maybe, he relented and apologized for being a butthead. Thou shalt not kill and all that. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: ACOY, Webley Arena, London,1983 What I was referring to were the live versions of ACOY where Russell Ferrante joined Joni's dulcimer with piano. Here's one version, this one comes from her July 10, 1983 appearance in Pittsburgh, PA: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2DECE02044ACBE6D Bob NP: Matthew Sweet, "Girlfriend" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Covers 83 Thanks for the observation, Bene - one could argue that it's her young age but I don't buy that, I think a young voice can invest just as much into these lyrics as an experienced voice. I wonder why she chose this song? Sometimes I peruse the liner notes to see if the singer makes any mention of Joni, and I don't recall anything with this CD. Plus, it doesn't help that the musical accompaniment is so sterile as well. Bob NP: Davy Graham, "Both Sides Now" (lots of them pop up in MY random play as well, Ron - and not a bad thing when they're as great as this one) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning Thanks for your thoughts, Patti - I didn't mean to spoil the party or derail the peace train or anything, I was just curious as to what your thoughts were on that issue. You dug down pretty deep - hope you don't lose good sleep! And you're right, forgiveness is an awesome thing and having been on both sides of it myself I can attest to its power. Of course now you realize if Creeperman begs forgiveness you HAVE to grant it, right? :o) Bob NP: Hanne Boel, "How Do You Stop" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Cat Stevens on TV tomorrow morning Along those lines, sort of, I was freaked out to read last week some message from Al Quaeda where they still refer to Christian offenders as "Crusaders". wtf??? evolve already. Em ps maybe the Christians need to hang up the old chestnut "Onward Christian Soldiers". - --- Randy Remote wrote:> I think the Muslims that really believe that killing infidels will > get > them into heaven are the mirror image of the fundamentalist lunatic > fringe > in this country. I know they don't all think that way, I've heard > Mullahs > arguing that Islam is not an inherently violent religion. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:23:32 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Barbara Thompson on Emusic njc Hi folks, want to share my delight, as I'm sure some of you will enjoy this too. The background: Barbara Thompson is a very fine English jazz composer and player on sax (and other wind instruments), who's been around since the 70s. I saw her several times in the 90s at the famous Ronnie Scott's with her band Paraphernalia, an excellent outfit. However, my most prized of her albums is very different, being solo. Songs from the Centre of The Earth consists of her renditions of old folk standards from around the world; it was recorded in a 14th Century French cathedral in the middle of a summer's night, just one woman playing soprano, alto or tenor, and one microphone. The joy of this album is in the stunning acoustics: you get the most exquisite, natural reverb, and because the pieces are all slow, the effect is unlike anything else I've heard. The listener really hears the atmosphere of the cathedral. It must have been a bloody good mic! Having lent out my copy of this long-deleted cd years ago and never got it back, I was thrilled to find it on Emusic. I listened to it yesterday while walking Amelia in the park, on a cold, clear late afternoon in the gloaming, with the moon already high in the sky. I was transfixed. Please check out this wonderful recording, music lovers, if this description sounds even slightly appealing, as you won't regret it. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/565 - Release Date: 02/12/2006 21:39 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:12:47 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Covers 83 Rydahl Hi BIll, I haven't spoken to you before! As for why Rydahl chose to sing this song. I don't know how serious your question was Bob but here is my serious(!) guess. Whereas I would think Joni wrote it as some sort of painful but frank realisation that she sees things through a glass darkly, this one seems to read it as a declaration of her own complete innocence.I think she is attracted by the pretty ice-cream castles and thinks of herself as a a pure angel who really doesn't know... But of course she's not, that's why she is out of air and can't reach the high notes that she is aspiring for, and that is why the effect is so comical (I hope she is not on the list!!!!). The sterile music completely fits her universe, it's almost scary! So some people sing songs to deal with their problem, others sing them to stay completely out of touch with reality. The more versions of this song I hear the more nauseous I get. Have they not heard the original??? It's bizarre. I'm amazed by Lisa Bassenge. I wish I understood how jazz musicians do whatever it is they do. There is so little orchestration (if thats what it is called), long silences etc, and yet everything is in place and completely tight. And she sings the song so well. I don't prefer jazz to rock, but the complexity of it is so impressive. I thought that James Taylor song in youtube that was linked in the last digest had some of it too. Anyway, enough from me, and good night from here! Benedicte On 12/3/06, billdollinger wrote: > The Rydall version of BSN reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live > sketches with the > two high school music teachers, played by Ana Gastayer and Will Ferrell, > who utterly misread song after song in some very funny medleys. They > were focused on technical > details while not having a clue what the messages and feeling of the > songs were. > > Meanwhile, the Swedish tune is a great find, and the jazz improv > version of BSN. > > Another great cover series, thanks much Bob! > > Bill > > On Dec 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > > Thanks > for the observation, Bene - one could argue that it's her young age > but I > don't buy that, I think a young voice can invest just as much into these > lyrics as an experienced voice. I wonder why she chose this song? > Sometimes I > peruse the liner notes to see if the singer makes any mention of > Joni, and I > don't recall anything with this CD. > Plus, it doesn't help that the musical > accompaniment is so sterile as well. > > Bob > > NP: Davy Graham, "Both Sides Now" > (lots of them pop up in MY random play as well, Ron - and not a bad > thing when > they're as great as this one) > ________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > _______ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:14:52 -0500 From: billdollinger Subject: Re: Covers 83 The Rydall version of BSN reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live sketches with the two high school music teachers, played by Ana Gastayer and Will Ferrell, who utterly misread song after song in some very funny medleys. They were focused on technical details while not having a clue what the messages and feeling of the songs were. Meanwhile, the Swedish tune is a great find, and the jazz improv version of BSN. Another great cover series, thanks much Bob! Bill On Dec 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Bob Muller wrote: Thanks for the observation, Bene - one could argue that it's her young age but I don't buy that, I think a young voice can invest just as much into these lyrics as an experienced voice. I wonder why she chose this song? Sometimes I peruse the liner notes to see if the singer makes any mention of Joni, and I don't recall anything with this CD. Plus, it doesn't help that the musical accompaniment is so sterile as well. Bob NP: Davy Graham, "Both Sides Now" (lots of them pop up in MY random play as well, Ron - and not a bad thing when they're as great as this one) ________________________________________________________________________ _____ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:18:15 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Chomp chomp(njc) It's now official! Florida vs. Ohio State in the National Championship game on Jan.8th! Whooohooo!!! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:48:18 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Chomp chomp(njc) i guess it's time to get on the gator bus--GO GATORS EAT OHIO STATE!!! gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "joni List" Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Chomp chomp(njc) > It's now official! Florida vs. Ohio State in the National > Championship game on Jan.8th! > > Whooohooo!!! > > Victor > > !DSPAM:144,45737a4b239664084875957! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:40:20 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Timothy White benefit videos - NJC When John Mellencamp's friend and music journalist Timothy White died there were a pair of concerts to benefit his family. The second one on October 8, 2002 at Madison Square Garden, NYC was captured on video. It was this show where Columbia Records saw JM perform "Stones In My Passway" and asked him to record an album of this material that became "Trouble No More". There a couple of clips from that show on YouTube: John Mellencamp "Stones In My Passway" (Andy York on Dobro) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGCVKRRqedk John Mellencamp "Music To My Ears" Finale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQNSmsDz1QU John Mellencamp performs Woody Guthrie's "Bound For Glory" and Sly Stone's "Everyday People" at "Music To My Ears" - a tribute to the legendary music journalist Timothy White on October 8, 2002 at Madison Square Garden, NYC. Among the artists joining in on the finale are James Taylor, Brian Wilson, Jimmy Buffet, Roger Waters, Don Henley, Timothy B. Schmidt, Sting, Sheryl Crow, Patty Smyth. I hope some of you find this interesting to view. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:08:36 +0000 (UTC) From: "anne@sandstrom.com" Subject: this month's covers Hi Bob. I'm so happy that I can now go download the month's Joni covers. I started this last month - where I listen to them, then save the ones I like. How cool is that. And I don't have to feel guilty about you burning a CD for me. So, I'll be off to do my downloading once I finish cleaning the kitchen. Thanks again for all the effort you put into this. You're the best! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:58:38 +0000 (UTC) From: "anne@sandstrom.com" Subject: RE: saner and simpler times? a little JT - lots of Lincoln (njc) Hi again Bree and all - How funny. I find myself thinking about Lincoln in much the same way. I'll be grocery shopping and pondering what he might think about our world, especially the good things. The museum sounds amazing! I recall that everyone in my neighborhood still talked about the time Lincoln came to speak. He spoke from the porch of a house I could see from our back door, and stayed in a house right around the corner. Over 100 years later, the neighbors were still buzzing about it! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:33:10 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Charity Celebrity Auction - NJC Last year I bought a really nice item on eBay: an original Tristan DeBoer caricature sketch of the Broadway cast of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf". He presented them to the cast members at the opening night cast party and one was autographed by the entire ensemble and put up for bid through the Bid2BeatAids organization. It was an extremely limited print run. There were a number of awesome rare items last year. This year's auction just began and items vary from pure crap to fanfuckingtastic, check it out in case you need to find that special someone a gift that's unique: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZbid2beataids Let me know what rings your chimes if you find something too good to resist. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:46:56 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Charity Celebrity Auction - NJC From: "Cassy" <<< This year's auction just began and items vary from pure crap to fanfuckingtastic, check it out in case you need to find that special someone a gift that's unique: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZbid2beataids >>> The hottest item right now seems to be Jake Gyllenhaal's autographed "talent" laminate from the MTV Movie Awards. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bid-2-Beat-AIDS-JAKE-GYLLENHAAL-Signed-Talent-Laminate_W0QQitemZ130054448595QQihZ003QQcategoryZ59QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Nice one of a kind item if you can afford it! Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #459 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------