From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #450 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 27 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 450 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Blue [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Mark Paytress gigs book ["Tortorici, Frank" ] Re: Typo [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re:typo [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Typo [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Blue or not Blue, that is the question... [waytoblue@comcast.net] NJC Re: Blue or not Blue, that is the question... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: New Blue [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Typo [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: New Blue [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Typo ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Typo [Brian Gross ] A little bit from back in Detroit days... ["P. Henry" ] njc, Crosby interview on NPR Monday ["Patti Parlette" ] Back in Detroit days... ps ["P. Henry" ] Re: NJC Joni and the gay crowd ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Typo ["Kate Bennett" ] Jimmy Carter, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] black friday njc ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Back in Detroit days... ps ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: war, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Wake At Generation ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: New Blue [Victor Johnson ] Re: Back in Detroit days... ps now Pirate Jenny and njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: black friday njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Blue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: war, njc [Em ] See Joni and Prince here [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Wake At Generation ["Randy Remote" ] Another peculiar ebay item... [Victor Johnson ] oops! left off the link [Victor Johnson ] Re: Another peculiar ebay item... ["Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: New Blue Oh yeah, I also added the version of the song, Blue with Paul Horn as a reprise. This is the track list on my version of Blue: 1. All I Want 2. My Old Man 3. Little Green 4. Carey 5. Hunter 6. Blue 7. California 8. This Flight Tonight 9. River 10. A Case of You 11. The Last Time I Saw Richard 12. Urge For Going 13. Blue (reprise) Mark in Sydney NP Guilty By Association - Madonna and Joe Henry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:11:18 -0500 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Mark Paytress gigs book Lindsay: Saw your post about the "The Best Gigs" book by Mark Paytress, Anything by Mark is well worth it. Thanks for giving me the tip as I will go to B&N and get the book. Mark is a great rock writer from the UK who has written, among things about other artists, great liner notes, books, and a great bio about Marc Bolan (of T. Rex) and has done much to resurrect Marc Bolan's music and legacy after his untimely death in 1977. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:35:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Typo Yep...absolutely. < It was my understanding that Joni included UFG on Misses because she regretted it's exclusion on Blue.> And why is that your understanding? I've not seen her say that anywhere. Maybe I just missed it? Bob NP: Joe Milsom, "River" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:51:20 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Typo I read somewhere when Misses was released (I think it was Rolling Stone magazine) that she wanted to include UFG because she regretted that it was dumped from Blue. That's how I knew it was from that era. I hadn't heard of the song before that. My suggestion, Bob, is if you don't like these songs on that album, that you leave them out of your copy. Mark in Sydney NP Risingson (The Underdog Remix) - Massive Attack On 27/11/2006, at 10:35 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > coming from?> > > Yep...absolutely. > > < It was my understanding that Joni included UFG on Misses > because she regretted it's exclusion on Blue.> > > And why is that your understanding? I've not seen her say that > anywhere. Maybe I just missed it? > > Bob > > NP: Joe Milsom, "River" > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:54:16 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:typo Bob wrote: > But that > was JONI'S change. She added All I Want & The Last Time I Saw Richard and > deleted UFG (which clearly does not belong) and Hunter (which is real > similar > to This Flight Tonight). So in order for your 'restoration' to be complete, > you'd have to take out what are arguably two of the strongest tunes on it. I > mean, I guess it's OK, you can do what you want - but I'm just saying that > if > you want to hear Joni's intention for Blue, those two tunes ain't a part of > it. > Hi Bob, This reminds me of historical dialogues about which books should and shouldn't be in the bible. I agree with you, we have Blue as it is because it was Joni's intention for it to provide the expression of the whole as it does. Of course, the other songs exist so we can enjoy them too just not as part of the compilation she gave us. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:56:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Typo Well, it's not really an issue with me, I mean Blue is what it is, as it was released. Now I *might* be tempted to remake CMIARS and delete a couple of those songs! 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The Last Time I Saw Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:16:12 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Blue or not Blue, that is the question... That's a great alternative, Victor - but I would finish the job, call it "Black & Blue" and throw in some songs from AC/DC's classic Back In Black. After all, too much Miles is just going to mellow you out and you'll need something to get you going again - like drinking coffee after a good meal and then having an after-dinner drink and calling it a 'coffee-killer'. And while I'm thinking about it, I'll add that Black & Blue is one of the most underrated Stones records of all time. I think it is one of their best. 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You can keep your passive aggressive comments to yourself. Mark in Sydney On 28/11/2006, at 12:56 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > that you leave them out of your copy.> > > Well, it's not really an issue with me, I mean Blue is what it is, as > it was released. > > Now I *might* be tempted to remake CMIARS and delete a couple of those > songs! > > Bob > > NP: Willie and Lobo, "Rockin' Gypsies" > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Mark in Sydney On 27/11/2006, at 11:01 PM, Danilo Monno wrote: > well, actually, isn't UFG on Hits? > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:35:19 -0800 > > From: scjoniguy@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: Typo > > To: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > > CC: joni@smoe.org > > > > > coming from?> > > > > Yep...absolutely. > > > > < It was my > > understanding that Joni included UFG on Misses > > because she regretted it's > > exclusion on Blue.> > > > > And why is that your understanding? I've not seen her say > > that anywhere. Maybe I just missed it? > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Joe Milsom, "River" > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > _______ > > Want to start your own business? > > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > Prova per primo Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:31 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Blue Yikes, Mark - sorry if I came off offended by what you did or said- I was just goofing off and trying to have a little fun - I don't speak for Victor but I think his intent was the same. While I think it's important to realize what Joni's intentions were with Blue, what we do with the music or with other tracks is certainly not important, and I'm sorry that I came off as agressive towards your project - - as I have told you many times, you're a good friend of mine and an important part of this community. (Sidenote to Oddmund - as you can see, sometimes it's better when no one responds to your posts.) 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I'm not sure why because it > wasn't even released as a single. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 27/11/2006, at 11:01 PM, Danilo Monno wrote: > > > well, actually, isn't UFG on Hits? > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:35:19 -0800 > > > From: scjoniguy@yahoo.com > > > Subject: Re: Typo > > > To: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > > > CC: joni@smoe.org > > > > > > > > coming from?> > > > > > > Yep...absolutely. > > > > > > < It was my > > > understanding that Joni included UFG on Misses > > > because she regretted it's > > > exclusion on Blue.> > > > > > > And why is that your understanding? I've not seen her say > > > that anywhere. Maybe I just missed it? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > NP: Joe Milsom, "River" > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ______ > > > _______ > > > Want to start your own business? > > > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > > Prova per primo Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:29:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Typo Quite to the contrary. 'Urge For Going' is on Asylum Records 45rpm #AS-11010, on the flip side of 'You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio' I made a special trip to Speedy's Records in Allentown PA to buy it back in '74 or '75 when I was at Lehigh University in Bethlehem. back to the land of the lurkers, Brian > Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > You're right, Danilo. It was on Hits. I'm not sure why because it > wasn't even released as a single. > > Danilo Monno wrote: > > well, actually, isn't UFG on Hits? - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:45:02 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: A little bit from back in Detroit days... Hi gang, I've been trolling for this one on ebay for a little while, just to see if it would pop up, and sure enough, it did. (so feel free to bid if you like) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190056367227 (I have asked the seller to update this with the songlist which may or may not occur in a day or two) As a further historical note this album, one I once owned proudly, was recorded live at the Raven Gallery where Chuck and Joni often played. Ron was more regular than anyone at the Raven and I went there many times to see his sets. A short, stout, Jewish folkie from back in the day with a HUGE voice and presence. Ron Coden was the first 'real' folk singer I ever met when I was hired on to play as a regular performer at a little hole-in-the-wall students coffeehouse called "The Haven" close to 9 Mile when I was only 15yrs old with a repetoire of maybe 5 or 6 songs. This was a couple years before I met Chuck and Joni and I gotta tell ya, to me he was awesome! He had, and probably still has, a voice that could shake the walls. I particularly loved His version of Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill's 'Pirate Jenny' from the Threepenny Opera. Being songwriting challenged myself I tried to learn all I could from him and he was generous with his material. As you can see if you look at the Joni ad on my webpage, later on when I was working at the Cellar, I had the pleasure of booking him to play there. http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ Anyway, just thought I'd share... Pretty ancient stuff, I admit, and maybe hard for many of you to relate to but for me these were really exciting days. Ron Coden was my greatest personal influence until I met Joni. Of course there were also Bob Dylan and Gorden Lightfoot... Cheers, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:52:21 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Crosby interview on NPR Monday Doug wrote: David Crosby will be on On Point Monday morning 10 AM, so I heard. - ----- Did I miss it? Merde! I went to http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/11/20061127_b_main.asp and it says it's tonight. Is that correct? I'm all confused aujourd'hui! Does anybody really know what time it is? Love, Patti P. From that website: David Crosby: Still Rockin' Aired: Monday, November 27, 2006 11-12PM ET By host Tom Ashbrook: At the height of the counter-culture, anti-war movement of the 1960s and '70s, the musical backdrop of millions of young Americans lives was made by the iconic group Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, with songs like "Ohio," "Teach Your Children," "Wooden Ships," and "Woodstock." In the years since, a lot of music and headlines have been made by the group's flamboyant composer, singer and guitarist, David Crosby -- for jail time, for fathering Melissa Etheridge's children, and discovering his own, and for hitting the road well into his 60s to raise the anti-war banner, again. This hour On Point: a conversation with musical icon David Crosby on life, music and America, now and then. David Crosby, legendary singer and songwriter from The Byrds, and "Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young." He is author of the new memoir "Since Then: How I Survived Everything and Lived to Tell About it." _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:12:45 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: war, njc Well, I am the one who made that statement and I just caught this. to whoever said this, I have to say that I have to fight back hurt and anger over such an analogy. It is a disservice to those who have given their lives for others. Let's forget whether or not they should be there. The fact is they are dead and gone and this is a slap in their face. I will say it again. I support our soldiers who are honoring a committment that they have made to their country to protect and serve even to the point of laying down their lives. I can tell you right now that we're not going to agree on this from the statement made. I'm not a politician and I don't even like getting into political debates because of the strong emotions that can arise from such discussions. I truly believe everyone has the right to their opinions so I will leave it at this: Duty, honor, and self-sacrifice is not something I expect everyone to understand. It's a weird world and one that you kind of have to be a part of to truly understand. I hate this war with all of my heart and soul. We should not be there and we should get out of Iraq as soon as humanly possible. I do not wish for another American life to be lost or an Iraqi's life at the hand of an American. I do not wish for any more bloodshed. But those who are there must be there for now because of the blunders of our administration. They are trying to fix a mess they should have never been asked to get into and I do support them in the midst of this blunder. This is just my opinon so I will leave it at that. I'm done with this type of conversation because I'm just a novice. Now you see why many of us don't get involved or post that often on political issues. I for one, from now on, will keep my political opinons to myself. Sherelle Laura wrote: A very courageous, insightful person wrote: >Also, if someone could explain to me what "I support >the troops but not the war" means I would appreciate >it. In a case like Iraq it feels very much like saying >"I hated the Holocaust but supported the Nazis." I >really am sorry that economic circumstances and other >problems have been a factor for many Americans who >have chosen -- CHOSEN, not been drafted -- to be >there, but what ever happened to being morally >responsible for our actions? _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:26:54 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Back in Detroit days... ps Me again, As regards Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill's 'Pirate Jenny' from the Threepenny Opera as performed by Ron Coden, this was my first ever exposure to the 3-penny opera that I knew of. Of course, later on I made the connection to Bobby Darin's 'Mack the Knife', another song from it, but to this day I have yet to see the production itself and I still can't figure the reference to Lotta Lenya who is a real person. http://www.kwf.org/ (I wouldn't mind guidance if there is a good dvd out there I could get) Anyway, it's a powerful song and I thought some here might enjoy the lyrics: Pirate Jenny (1928) Bertolt Brecht, Kurt Weill You people can watch while I'm scrubbing these floors And I'm scrubbin' the floors while you're gawking Maybe once ya tip me and it makes ya feel swell In this crummy Southern town In this crummy old hotel But you'll never guess to who you're talkin'. No. You couldn't ever guess to who you're talkin'. Then one night there's a scream in the night And you'll wonder who could that have been And you see me kinda grinnin' while I'm scrubbin' And you say, "What's she got to grin?" I'll tell you. There's a ship The Black Freighter with a skull on its masthead will be coming in You gentlemen can say, "Hey gal, finish them floors! Get upstairs! What's wrong with you! Earn your keep here! You toss me your tips and look out to the ships But I'm counting your heads as I'm making the beds Cuz there's nobody gonna sleep here, honey Nobody Nobody! Then one night there's a scream in the night And you say, "Who's that kicking up a row?" And ya see me kinda starin' out the winda And you say, "What's she got to stare at now?" I'll tell ya. There's a ship The Black Freighter turns around in the harbor shootin' guns from her bow Now You gentlemen can wipe off that smile off your face Cause every building in town is a flat one This whole frickin' place will be down to the ground Only this cheap hotel standing up safe and sound And you yell, "Why do they spare that one?" Yes. That's what you say. "Why do they spare that one?" All the night through, through the noise and to-do You wonder who is that person that lives up there? And you see me stepping out in the morning Looking nice with a ribbon in my hair And the ship The Black Freighter runs a flag up its masthead and a cheer rings the air By noontime the dock is a-swarmin' with men comin' out from the ghostly freighter They move in the shadows where no one can see And they're chainin' up people and they're bringin' em to me askin' me, "Kill them NOW, or LATER?" Askin' ME! "Kill them now, or later?" Noon by the clock and so still by the dock You can hear a foghorn miles away And in that quiet of death I'll say, "Right now. Right now!" Then they'll pile up the bodies And I'll say, "That'll learn ya!" And the ship The Black Freighter disappears out to sea And on it is me Cheers, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:26:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Joni and the gay crowd Or it was a typo & they meant, are you grey.. :~} >I think people were curious only because of his address, GreyRoomBoy. It was Joni motivated! Jerry > Trey said.... > > 4. Trey, are you gay? What a weird question. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:26:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Typo I do. In the olden days the artists generally only included 10 songs per album because that was what the record company contract was paying for.... so perhaps she would have included 12 songs, who knows? >Maybe Joni decided to drop those two songs in favour of AIW and TLTISR because of time constraints. Maybe she would have liked all of them to appear on the album. On my version, they all do. I don't want anything to be missing. I want the full Joni experience. Do you see where I'm coming from? It was my understanding that Joni included UFG on Misses because she regretted it's exclusion on Blue.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:27:38 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Jimmy Carter, njc Jimmy Carter is going to be on Larry King tonight. ~ _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:30:33 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: black friday njc Hey Cassy! Glad you got what you wanted and that your strategy worked. Brava! You wrote: "Joining the madness isn't for the faint of heart because some people are animals and won't think twice about trampling someone to get their bargain purchase. Of course, that's not my personal style but it can be scary when your feet don't touch the ground when the crowd surges forward at the opening of the doors." That reminds me a Dead concert way back in the days (Springfield MA or Providence RI, mid-70s), when my friends and I got pulled into the general admission show with our feet off the ground. That was very scary. I'm 5'6" so I could breath, but my friend Kristie who is only 5' almost suffocated. I'm glad they don't do general admission concerts anymore. Speaking of animal shoppers, what about all the people camping out for the new Play Station 3? Someone in CT was robbed of his by a group of thugs as he went back to his car; another person was SHOT when he refused to hand over his cash to robbers. Will we all be like that when Joni's new CD finally comes out? Somehow I don't think so. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Back in Detroit days... ps Lotte Lenya was married to Kurt Weill and in the original 1954 Off Broadway production of the show in New York. She was the leading interpreter of Brecht for many years and championed his music and genius after his death. Judy Collins and Bette Midler have both recorded fine versions of Pirate Jenny. Jenny P. Henry wrote: > Me again, > > As regards Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill's 'Pirate Jenny' from the > Threepenny Opera as performed by Ron Coden, this was my first ever > exposure to the 3-penny opera that I knew of. Of course, later on I > made the connection to Bobby Darin's 'Mack the Knife', another song from > it, but to this day I have yet to see the production itself and I still > can't figure the reference to Lotta Lenya who is a real person. > http://www.kwf.org/ (I wouldn't mind guidance if there is a good dvd out > there I could get) > > Anyway, it's a powerful song and I thought some here might enjoy the > lyrics: > > Pirate Jenny > > (1928) Bertolt Brecht, Kurt Weill > > You people can watch while I'm scrubbing these floors > And I'm scrubbin' the floors while you're gawking > Maybe once ya tip me and it makes ya feel swell > In this crummy Southern town > In this crummy old hotel > But you'll never guess to who you're talkin'. > No. You couldn't ever guess to who you're talkin'. > > Then one night there's a scream in the night > And you'll wonder who could that have been > And you see me kinda grinnin' while I'm scrubbin' > And you say, "What's she got to grin?" > I'll tell you. > > There's a ship > The Black Freighter > with a skull on its masthead > will be coming in > > You gentlemen can say, "Hey gal, finish them floors! > Get upstairs! What's wrong with you! Earn your keep here! > You toss me your tips > and look out to the ships > But I'm counting your heads > as I'm making the beds > Cuz there's nobody gonna sleep here, honey > Nobody > Nobody! > > Then one night there's a scream in the night > And you say, "Who's that kicking up a row?" > And ya see me kinda starin' out the winda > And you say, "What's she got to stare at now?" > I'll tell ya. > > There's a ship > The Black Freighter > turns around in the harbor > shootin' guns from her bow > > Now > You gentlemen can wipe off that smile off your face > Cause every building in town is a flat one > This whole frickin' place will be down to the ground > Only this cheap hotel standing up safe and sound > And you yell, "Why do they spare that one?" > Yes. > That's what you say. > "Why do they spare that one?" > > All the night through, through the noise and to-do > You wonder who is that person that lives up there? > And you see me stepping out in the morning > Looking nice with a ribbon in my hair > > And the ship > The Black Freighter > runs a flag up its masthead > and a cheer rings the air > > By noontime the dock > is a-swarmin' with men > comin' out from the ghostly freighter > They move in the shadows > where no one can see > And they're chainin' up people > and they're bringin' em to me > askin' me, > "Kill them NOW, or LATER?" > Askin' ME! > "Kill them now, or later?" > > Noon by the clock > and so still by the dock > You can hear a foghorn miles away > And in that quiet of death > I'll say, "Right now. > Right now!" > > Then they'll pile up the bodies > And I'll say, > "That'll learn ya!" > > And the ship > The Black Freighter > disappears out to sea > And > on > it > is > me > > > Cheers, > > Pat > > > -- > "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." > http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ > -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:02:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: war, njc Smurf > Also, if someone could explain to me what "I support the troops but > not the war" means I would appreciate it. In a case like Iraq it feels > very much like saying "I hated the Holocaust but supported the Nazis." > I really am sorry that economic circumstances and other problems have > been a factor for many Americans who have chosen -- CHOSEN, not been > drafted -- to be there, but what ever happened to being morally > responsible for our actions? Its a good question. Yes, we are all morally responsible for our actions. I think it has something to do with the shadows of Vietnam, when many people who opposed to the war, also treated those who fought the war so badly (not me- my once upon a time boyfriend was a Vietnam vet not that he ever talked about it). So, for those of us who are older now & went through that time, I think many have a different perspective on the troops. I know mine is a mother's perspective. True they were not drafted, however many reservists had to go. Many had their stays extended. Sure they had a choice, just as draftees had a choice not to go. But what I'm saying is that from my mother's vantage point I see the vulnerability & naiveti of young kids who sign up. Hindsight is everything, but as opposed as any of us was to this war from the start, we didn't have all the information we have now that makes our position correct. And so, I have compassion towards those who at the time thought they were doing the right thing by signing up to go liberate Iraq. I also have compassion towards those young kids who are in parts of the country or from a culture where they have few options after high school (or who can't cut high school for any number of reasons) are tempted with more money than they've ever seen in their life in order to sign up. It isn't a draft per se, but it is a draft of sorts- certainly s a choice (at a very young age) that those of us from different circumstances may never have had to consider. I'm not saying they are absolved of responsibility for their choice, I'm just saying I have an understanding of the motivations that I never had before. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:42:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Wake At Generation I'd like to see that. Do you have to sign up? We had tickets to see Jimi Hendrix in Newark NJ the night or two after MLK was killed (anyone know of a concert chronology for Jimi?- I'd like to check to see when this actually was). In hindsight, not the smartest move on my part (there had been riots & deaths resulting from the riots in that city the summer before)... but heck we had tickets. >There's a torrent on www.dimeadozen.org for a DVD called Wake At Generation. It's an unreleased documentary film of a jam session in NY from Spring 1968, just after MLK was killed. Joni performs, among others (including Jimi Hendrix).< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:56:58 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: New Blue On Nov 27, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Yikes, Mark - sorry if I came off offended by what you did or said- > I was > just goofing off and trying to have a little fun - I don't speak for > Victor but I think his intent was the same. I'm generally always trying to have fun here...for the most part it's good not to take anything too seriously (by the way, the Simpsons last night was hilarious and possibly the best episode of the year so far) Though I believe that some people like to stir things up and get some kind of gratification by intentionally taking shots at other people, more often than not this is not the case. Victor NP: the end of Boortz ( who just finished a diatribe about how stupid and idiotic the religious right is because they are so afraid of homosexuality...I love it when these people call up and try to debate with him...he totally rips them apart and makes them sound like blithering idiots) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:57:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Back in Detroit days... ps now Pirate Jenny and njc - --- "P. Henry" wrote: > Me again, > > As regards Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill's 'Pirate > Jenny' from the > Threepenny Opera as performed by Ron Coden, this was > my first ever > exposure to the 3-penny opera that I knew of. ... > Anyway, it's a powerful song and I thought some > here might enjoy the > lyrics: > > Pirate Jenny > I've uploaded two versions of "Pirate Jenny" to the dreaded yousendit.com if anyone's interested. I agree it's a very powerful song and never fails to make my hair stand on end when I hear it. The two versions I've got are by Judy Collins and Nina Simone. For those of you who think Judy Collins sings only about sweet things, you need to hear her version of this song. I love Judy when she's nasty! And Nina Simone's version is truly a show-stopper. "Pirate Jenny" is a working class woman's dream of getting revenge on the upper classes who treat her like dirt. Nina Simone adds the dimension of being young, gifted and black to the mix and turns it into not just a class war but a race war. If you've never heard it, you must - it is fantastic and Nina Simone at her best. Here's a link - both versions are in a zip file: http://download.yousendit.com/56A9A05A5F81F32F Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: black friday njc - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Speaking of animal shoppers, what about all the > people camping out for the > new Play Station 3? Someone in CT was robbed of his > by a group of thugs as > he went back to his car; another person was SHOT > when he refused to hand > over his cash to robbers. > > Will we all be like that when Joni's new CD finally > comes out? > > Somehow I don't think so. > > Love, > Um, I doubt it, unless we all show up at the same store! I can't imagine lusting after any THING so badly that I would wait in line for days to buy it and fight other people to get it. I don't get that PS or X-box frenzy at all and, speaking of frenzy, I think it's playing into the hands of the makers and sellers of these things to react that way. We should just boycott these people (hey! I already do!) I have mall-phobia at the best of times and there are certain times you should just stay home and let someone else get the so-called bargains. Here it's Boxing Day sales that drive everyone mad. Everyone has the day off, except the poor store clerks who have to work that day and deal with the crowds. They have to hire security guards or off-duty police officers to make sure no one gets trampled to death. Last year, a young girl was shot to death - it wasn't directly related, but it was sort of related. The guys that shot her were gangstas who were trying to shoot someone else (from another gang) and thought nothing of firing into crowds in downtown Toronto. The point being, every teenager in Toronto heads to the Eaton Centre on Boxing Day. I can think of many other things I'd rather do! If, like Cassy, you have a particular plan and know exactly where you're going and where to get it, that's OK, I guess (I would require a really good sleep the night before, a good breakfast and a lot of drugs to handle that.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:11:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: New Blue > Though I believe that some people like to stir things up and get some > kind of gratification by intentionally taking shots at other people, > more often than not this is not the case. And certainly never the case with Bob. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: war, njc Lesson learned from the Vietnam War: don't diss the pawns. It's not really their fault alot of the time. Some of them are too young to KNOW what's right. Some are too stupid to know. (or a combo of both) They're doing what the man says to do. Its like in that movie (and book) "Born On the 4th of July". (which is the only Tom Cruise movie I can abide, btw) Every once in a while I send $$ for phone cards for soldiers who can't afford to call home. So in that sense, I support the troops. I do not support the war, though. Em > >Also, if someone could explain to me what "I support > >the troops but not the war" means I would appreciate > >it. In a case like Iraq it feels very much like saying > >"I hated the Holocaust but supported the Nazis." I > >really am sorry that economic circumstances and other > >problems have been a factor for many Americans who > >have chosen -- CHOSEN, not been drafted -- to be > >there, but what ever happened to being morally > >responsible for our actions? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:16:02 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: See Joni and Prince here _YouTube - prince inducted into uk hall of fame by beyonce_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CzSrmPCbjs) She certainly looks great. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:17:10 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Wake At Generation This is new to me, I'll try to get it, but it's a big 1 gig file, with,apparently, one Joni song. It's an unreleased film by director DA Pennebaker (Monterey Pop, Don't Look Back)..... also features Janis w/Big Brother, Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Richie Havens, Paul Butterfield, Elvin Bishop WAKE AT GENERATION: D. A. Pennebaker. This film became recently available on a bootleg video in the USA. Material from Generation club, New York City, 7 April 1968. Included is a six-minute blues jam by Jimi Hendrix with the late Roy Buchanan (on bass), among others, filmed during a wake for Martin Luther King. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" >>There's a torrent on www.dimeadozen.org for a DVD called Wake At > Generation. It's an unreleased documentary film of a jam session in NY > from > Spring 1968, just after MLK was killed. Joni performs, among others > (including Jimi Hendrix).< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:46:33 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Another peculiar ebay item... I think $30,000 US dollars is a bit steep for this album, claiming to be the only copy ever pressed of the James Taylor/Joni Mitchell performance on BBC in London. Photographs show the song names written on the back by ink pen, rather sloppily I might add. Sounds a little fishy to me. I really don't get the bidding price, $30,000 or the buy it now price, which is $100,000. What gives? Is this guy crazy? Victor WP: John Legend: Once Again (this guy totally rocks) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:07:56 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: oops! left off the link http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-LOST-ART-PAINTING-LP-WITH-JAMES- TAYLOR_W0QQitemZ270057175038QQihZ017QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:10:19 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Another peculiar ebay item... and lets face it, we've head this album already.... and the drawings? HAH!!!!! This guy is clearly crazed and looking to fool the next chump... J On 27/11/06, Victor Johnson wrote: > I think $30,000 US dollars is a bit steep for this album, claiming to > be the only copy ever pressed of the James Taylor/Joni Mitchell > performance on BBC in London. Photographs show the song names > written on the back by ink pen, rather sloppily I might add. Sounds > a little fishy to me. I really don't get the bidding price, $30,000 > or the buy it now price, which is $100,000. What gives? Is this > guy crazy? > > Victor > > WP: John Legend: Once Again (this guy totally rocks) > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:12:48 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: oops revisited...here's the "correct" link http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-LOST-ART-PAINTING-LP-WITH-JAMES- TAYLOR_W0QQitemZ270057175038QQihZ017QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:26:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another peculiar ebay item... That "In Harmony" bootleg pops up every month or so on ebay - there's nothing original about what he has. He may not be crazy, but anyone who would bid at this level certainly would be. The classic "Lennie & Dom Songs" bootleg also showed up on ebay today as well, with a starting bid of $25 or so. 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I'm all confused aujourd'hui! > Does anybody really know what time it is? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:34:16 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Oddmunds email, superficiality and off-line chats On 11/27/06, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Bene, > > I'm here and you are welcome. THERE you are! I was feeling bad for never saying thanks for your message. That's just what it's like to be Scandinavian and repressed...! I can tell you that writing confessional > emails take a bit of courage, this I know from experience and I have posted > my share of them through the years here for better or worse. I kind of think > of them as statements more than emails...declarations of life so to speak. > Baring one's soul in public is always painful and hard if you ask me. It's > the same whenever I write a song. Even though it's done in private, I know > eventually, I will have to stand emotionally naked in front of an audience > and sing it as that is what it was created for. It's interesting that you should compare emailing the list with writing a song. I haven't been on the list for long, but long enough to go through what Oddmund mentions: a warm welcome, everyone is nice, and one day you begin to wonder if they read your emails, and if they don't, why you think they should, and why you send them in the first place. I think writing a song must be similar: you need to ask if this is interesting to anyone, will it make them listen, will it be helpful or funny. And you need to prepare yourself for all sorts of reactions, including indifference. I had to laugh when Oddmund said he had posted something very deep, but on the same day, someone had offered a driving opportunity to NewYork, and that was the message everyone responded to. It's so sad and ironic! In any case, I am hoping that the privacy issue is being solved, and that our emails are no longer out on the internet for anyone to browse. I think sharing with some 800 persons is enough! I think this is why I love > Joni and her music so very much. My goodness, it is mindboggling when I > think about some of the things she has been brave enough to share with the > rest of us. This is what I know we all have in common here. No matter what > our differences, we all have that appreciation for her openess. > Strange enough, I always admired her lyrics, but after joining the list I have realised that I had no clue about what many of the songs meant. The words just sounded so cool to me, and it's the honesty and naked insight that she puts into them (but what she was being honest about I was not so sure about, nor what the insights were). But I guess it was the day I finally realised what she means by "I could drink a case of you and still I'd be on my feet" that I thought I needed to, well I don't know, have more Joni Mitchell in my universe and found this mailing list...! Take care, Benedicte ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #450 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------