From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #448 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 448 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Victor in the cast and other things (NJC) ["anne@sandstrom.com" ] Joni taped bit on UK Music Hall of Fame ["Tortorici, Frank" ] SJC Leonard Cohen film (and some Nick Cave... (& Nephew!) ) [] Typo [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: tom waits songs NJC ["mike pritchard" ] NJC Oddmunds email, superficiality and off-line chats [missblux@googlemai] SJC Leonard Cohen film and other Canadians... [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni taped bit on UK Music Hall of Fame ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: war, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: war, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: war, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Typo [Bob Muller ] Re: Howdy and Thanks for A RIVER of Emails! [Bob Muller ] Re: war, njc ["gene" ] Re: war, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] NJC, The Return of Cat Stevens ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: New CD Covers ["Randy Remote" ] Lullaby and Dog Eat dog ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: ISO Boot for Joni Tribute @ Carnegie Hall 2/1/06 ["Cassy" ] Re: war, njc [Bob Muller ] njc, black friday , then Condi on CODEPINK ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Victor in the cast and other things (NJC) Heppy Thanksgiving to everyone in the U.S. and happy Thursday/almost weekend to everyone else. Victor - I had to laugh at myself because I misread the subject line to your email as "I'm in a cast!" and then proceeded to read about your being in the show. I momentarily wondered how you would manage with a broken limb LOL! Silly me! Kakki - you should definitely try to get the sign. Pattie - I just love reading your posts. You get the prize for 1001 ways to insert Joni into conversation. And in 2 degrees of separation - I just saw Happy Feet over the weekend and LOVED it! Prince contributes the only new song to the soundtrack, which I also love. And Joni loves Prince. Maybe she likes penguins too :-) Well, I'm thankful that this list goes on. I do try to keep up with what's going on. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:36:34 -0800 From: Subject: Anita O'Day - njc Jerry wrote: "She was often mentioned on the list, most likely because she was such an innovator. She has died at age 87. I didn't know she was referred to as the Jezebel of Jazz because of her wild behavior and heroin and alcohol addictions." I can hardly believe it. She seemed almost immortal and indestructible. Joni's art director, Robbie Cavolina, became her manager starting in around 1998 when I first met him. He took her out of a big bit of a hell and helped bring her back into the music scene and also helped her personally. He got her booked regularly at the former Atlas Bar & Grill next door to the Wiltern Theater here. She played one night every week for several years thereafter, backed up by the best musicians from the L.A. Philharmonic. They fought to play with her. Her appearances there were legendary and written about often in L.A. I went to see her there three times. Each time I met people in the audience who had come from Japan and Europe to see her. She seemed both frail and strong as steel at the same time. Her autobiography is an amazing read. You can hardly imagine what she went through in her life, yet she endured. I recall that she did not kick heroin until the late 90s. She was an incredible survivor. Robbie's long dream has been to make a movie about her life. Rosanna Arquette was often mentioned as the actor set to portray her. Robbue has a website for her and it looks like a documentary has been made. To see the website and read Robbie's message go to this link. http://www.anitaoday.com/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:50:46 -0500 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Joni taped bit on UK Music Hall of Fame Since I post so infrequently my posts are always "scooped," but I don't think anyone has posted this yet: On the (3rd annual) UK Music Hall of Fame ceremony televised on VH1 on Saturday night, Prince was an honoree. The last taped clip saluting him was Joni, looking very pretty with lots of makeup and much younger than I last saw her on TV--I think at the Grammys a few year ago. Her hair was swept up, her cheeks looked full and rosy and her lines were much fewer. Could be the makeup, but dare I say it--plastic surgery?, maybe a facelift -- (I know happiness is the best fl)!!! Maybe she did something to get ready for appearances surrounding and coverart for the new music she's making???!?!?!?!??! She said some nice things about Prince and how great it was that he was receiving an award from the UK industry!!!! Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:18:31 -0800 From: Subject: NJC superficiality and off-line chats Bene wrote: "I just somehow thought that the considering the EXTREME SUPERFICIALITY of people on this list, they wouldn't care a single bit about left-headed compound agent-nouns and that I better explain that off-list... They'll rave on about the Bush administration.... but so far, no comments about the compound agent-nouns, even if I make the controversial statement that they are left-headed... Oh well.....!!" I'm not sure I know what you are saying but I like it! ;-) Actually, when I read Oddmund's post, my thoughts were that some of us have been around here for so long (some almost ten years!) and most all have written on and on our Joni confessionals in those early years of the list. If you doubt me, spend several days and weeks reading the old archives. The point being, many have wrung it all out extensively, sometimes with the same story repeated (I'm guilty) that maybe some of us just don't want to dredge it all up again and maybe bore people. But, when we read it from someone who is newer to the list, I think most of us don't blow it off, but rather think privately, "yeah there is another one of our tribe." Really. We have ALL been there ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:44:08 -0800 From: Subject: SJC Leonard Cohen film (and some Nick Cave... (& Nephew!) ) Interesting about Cohen. I have no explanation as to why but in my circle of friends in sunny So. Calif. in the 60s the Canadian artists were absolutely revered. Sure we had to the locals and the San Francisco scene, but Cohen, Joni, Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte Marie and all the others were really beloved in my group. Maybe it was because in a way they were humble. They were not beating us over the head with their messages and excess - they were just making stone beautiful music. Music that went beyond obvious messages and gave us the real message. Funny you mentioned the ones who wanted to bring down the "capitalist" paradigm (oooh and I know someone or another is going to hit me here) - most of them were/are all trust fund babies out the gate and are still making it fat and big under that very paradigm. There is really more to being a hippie than what is assumed ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:58:35 EST From: GreyRoomBoy@aol.com Subject: Howdy and Thanks for A RIVER of Emails! Howdy Y'all... Again, I'm Trey, living in LA and thankful for all of you who responded to my first email a week or so ago. Hope everyone is doing well as we kick off this crazed holiday scene. It's actually my favorite time of the year -- can't get much damn busier than you get these days? Guys, My allowance don't go far in LA. I am a full time student with two jobs, so, get that I can't write much -- I wake up everyday with too much on my plate, but somehow manage to get through the day with sanity intact (unlike some other posts I have read!). OK -- for the folks that asked. 1st: My name is a nickname. I am a 3rd of the same name, so they call me Trey. That's it. 2nd: My Mom is my best bud. She turned onto JM when she was a PG lady from MS of the late 1980s and found out some stuff about JM having a kid out of wedlock. I guess she was kind of inspired. I grew up hearing all of JMs stuff from Dog Eat Dog forward. Believe it or not, one song I remember my Mom singing me to asleep with was Ethiopia. Kinda morbid, huh? She is a beautiful woman with a great voice. My Mom was just a kid herself when she found herself with me. But she and my Pop married too late in her gestation with me and somewhat crazily. Things just didn't go as planned for either of them. Mom moved us to Laurel Canyon when I was six -- been here ever since, but live a few houses from Ma right now. Pop was a wandering young musicians dude from a stuck up family, but lives in Houston now, where he is from. He ALWAYS takes great care of both of us. No dead beat Pop here -- 3. What's life like in Laurel Canyon? For those of you that asked me about Laurel Canyon. There's a shred of history here, but it's often trampled by the big old SUVs and bigger houses (built on small lots) of LA's yuppies. It's NOT (at all) the center of LA music now, but there are some die-hard folks around here that LOVE to talk about the old days. My Mom knows them all. They go on and on and on and on and on and on. Like, please let it end. 4. Trey, are you gay? What a weird question. 5. What did Joni say to you at he reception? Not much. She's pretty cool. Her friends are just as cool and that's who I focused my attention on -- she's a busy, preoccupied lady. I hope to spend more time with them all and it looks like I might if the stars are right for all of us. Anywho, to my comment now for the Joni-folk to think about. Some cool guy collects all of Joni's covers, so this kinda goes to him. Well, it being the holiday season and all, I have been into River. I was at a party tonight and they were playin Miss Linda Ronstadt. Dang, her version of River blows me away. I'm going on record to say that such a perfect song could not find a better producer or singer. I made my pals play it over and over and on the 3rd spin there wasn't a dry eye in the 30+ of us (granted, with my preplay commentary). GREAT SONG + GREAT SINGER = BLOWN AWAY. I submit that RIVER by Miss Linda Ronstadt is the best Joni cover ever done. Like my Mom's best friend Lanie says -- talk among yourselves. Best, Trey. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:18:20 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: New CD Covers Hello everybody. Spent a lazy Sunday burning CDs and designing covers for them. I have uploaded the covers onto yousendit for anybody who would like to use them. One is for the Carnegie Hall concert. The second is for the 1978 Bread & Roses concert in Sacramento and the third is for Shadows & Light with screenshots from the concert. This one is designed for a transparent tray and has an inlay for it too. You can download it here http://download.yousendit.com/54939F736B5BCEE1 Mark in Sydney NP Bombs - Faithless featuring Harry Collier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:25:12 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Typo Oops! I did it again. Right after I uploaded the CD covers and posted the link, I found a typo in the track list on S&L. Don's Solo is written as Don't Solo. Here is the link for the corrected back cover http://download.yousendit.com/5581784332165482 Mark in Sydney NP Spiders, Crocodiles & Kryptonite - Faithless ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:22:26 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: tom waits songs NJC >>Maybe Ol '55 . I know there's a Tom Waits Anthology out there.<< Hi Victor, do you mean an anthology of sheet music? I was thinking of a song about the tempo and feel of 'Soldier's Things'. Maybe that's what Bob Muller was saying when he said that things that sound simple may not actually be simple. That's what great musicians do, I guess, make complex things sound simple. Or not. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. Any more? mike in bcn np Jean Binta Breeze - Confusion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:32:32 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Oddmunds email, superficiality and off-line chats On 11/26/06, kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Bene wrote: > > "I just somehow thought that the considering the EXTREME SUPERFICIALITY > of people on this list, they wouldn't care a single bit about > left-headed compound agent-nouns and that I better explain that > off-list... They'll rave on about the Bush administration.... but so > far, no comments about the compound agent-nouns, even if I make the > controversial statement that they are left-headed... Oh well.....!!" > > I'm not sure I know what you are saying but I like it! ;-) I guess no-one understood what I was trying to say! I wanted to apologize becasue I'd had an off-list chat with someone about my dissertation, and it ended up on the list which embarrassed me because I think my topic is really generally irrelevant here! Actually, when I > read Oddmund's post, my thoughts were that some of us have been around here > for so long (some almost ten years!) and most all have written on and on our > Joni confessionals in those early years of the list. If you doubt me, spend > several days and weeks reading the old archives. The point being, many have > wrung it all out extensively, sometimes with the same story repeated (I'm > guilty) that maybe some of us just don't want to dredge it all up again and > maybe bore people. But, when we read it from someone who is newer to the > list, I think most of us don't blow it off, but rather think privately, > "yeah there is another one of our tribe." Really. We have ALL been there ;-) And sometimes you don't have anything else to say than just that. But then, you could send a short note to say, thanks for a beautiful post, off-list if it's really short and you don't want to waste list-space. I have to say that I sometimes feel that although I was impressed with what someone said I am embarrassed to write back, because I don't know the person. That's just me being an emotional retard sometimes! Oddmund, I think you'll understand, being a fellow Scandinavian! Anyhow, here is a comparison: when I saw Nick Cave in concert last week, he made people get up from their chairs and approach the stage, and he shook people's hands, and everyone glared at him with admiration, and he smiled back, very paternalistically, and they all seemed to be friends. I would have been too embarrassed. The confessional emails have the same effect: someone opens up their heart, on stage or in an email, but even if it moves me, it's weird to reciprocate because it's a one-way thing. In any case, it seems that a lot of emails are bing read, and there are a lot of lurkers out there who never pick up the courage to write in. We've talked about that before.... I never thanked Sherelle for responding to me once that she reads and appreciates everything that is written here. And now I've lost her email address.So please pass it on...! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:41:18 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: SJC Leonard Cohen film and other Canadians... On 11/26/06, kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Interesting about Cohen. I have no explanation as to why but in my circle > of friends in sunny So. Calif. in the 60s the Canadian artists were > absolutely revered. Sure we had to the locals and the San Francisco scene, > but Cohen, Joni, Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte Marie and all the others > were really beloved in my group. Maybe it was because in a way they were > humble. They were not beating us over the head with their messages and > excess - they were just making stone beautiful music. Music that went > beyond obvious messages and gave us the real message. > Ah! So he was spot on! He seems to be a very intelligent and insightful man, which your email somehow confirms. I was never that much into him, I think because when I first heard him, the weighty way of his phrasing made me think he was being shallow and arrogant. I guess that says more about me though! > Funny you mentioned the ones who wanted to bring down the "capitalist" > paradigm (oooh and I know someone or another is going to hit me here) - most > of them were/are all trust fund babies out the gate and are still making it > fat and big under that very paradigm. There is really more to being a > hippie than what is assumed ;-) > I guess once an entrepreneur always an entrepeneur...! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni taped bit on UK Music Hall of Fame Damn. I watched the Dusty Springfield part and then switched it off when I saw Beyonce walk on to begin the Prince tribute. Wasn't Jess Stone's version of Son of a Preacher Man a knock out?????? Tortorici, Frank wrote: > Since I post so infrequently my posts are always "scooped," but I don't > think anyone has posted this yet: > > On the (3rd annual) UK Music Hall of Fame ceremony televised on VH1 on > Saturday night, Prince was an honoree. The last taped clip saluting him > was Joni, looking very pretty with lots of makeup and much younger than > I last saw her on TV--I think at the Grammys a few year ago. Her hair > was swept up, her cheeks looked full and rosy and her lines were much > fewer. Could be the makeup, but dare I say it--plastic surgery?, maybe > a facelift -- (I know happiness is the best fl)!!! Maybe she did > something to get ready for appearances surrounding and coverart for the > new music she's making???!?!?!?!??! > > She said some nice things about Prince and how great it was that he was > receiving an award from the UK industry!!!! > > Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:54:57 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC Leonard Cohen film (and some Nick Cave... (& Nephew!) ) Hi Bene, I have not seen the Cohen movie yet but did get to the Came So Far For Beauty concert recently. The line up included Lou Reed, NIck Cave, Jarvis Cocker, Beth Orton, Mary Margaret O Hara, The Handsome Family, Teddy Thompson, Antony, and Laurie Anderson and man others. It was great. It lasted for about four hours, and by the end i was quite glad it was over to be honest. The highlights, for me, were Antony and Laurie Anderson doing whatever it was they did, Mary Margaret O'Hara letting that amazing voice go wild, and Lou Reed just being there!! Havn't seen The Proposition yet, but it is on my must-see list, based on various recommendations on this list. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:51:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Anita O'Day - njc Very much the same way I feel about Jimmy Scott. Great talent and an incredible survivor. Three cheers for Robbie. Jerry kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Jerry wrote: > > "She was often mentioned on the list, most likely because she was such an > innovator. She has died at age 87. I didn't know she was referred to as > the Jezebel of Jazz because of her wild behavior and heroin and alcohol > addictions." > > I can hardly believe it. She seemed almost immortal and indestructible. > Joni's art director, Robbie Cavolina, became her manager starting in > around > 1998 when I first met him. He took her out of a big bit of a hell and > helped bring her back into the music scene and also helped her personally. > He got her booked regularly at the former Atlas Bar & Grill next door to > the > Wiltern Theater here. She played one night every week for several years > thereafter, backed up by the best musicians from the L.A. Philharmonic. > They fought to play with her. Her appearances there were legendary and > written about often in L.A. I went to see her there three times. Each > time > I met people in the audience who had come from Japan and Europe to see > her. > She seemed both frail and strong as steel at the same time. Her > autobiography is an amazing read. You can hardly imagine what she went > through in her life, yet she endured. I recall that she did not kick > heroin > until the late 90s. She was an incredible survivor. Robbie's long dream > has been to make a movie about her life. Rosanna Arquette was often > mentioned as the actor set to portray her. Robbue has a website for her > and > it looks like a documentary has been made. To see the website and read > Robbie's message go to this link. http://www.anitaoday.com/ > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:43:52 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: war, njc Woman from Mars wrote: in defense of the initial supporters of this war. . . Life under the dictatorship of Sadam Hussein was hell in another way. not to be forgotten either. . . yet, perhaps we didn't have our blood on it then. Dear Defender, The military conflict the USA is involved in Iraq is illicit, period. You can't justify the means by the ends. There is no "perhaps" about it. Death of innocents and destruction of the land... If only they had listened to Pope JP II, a man of peace. A pre-emptive strike need never be defended because it is what it is. Love, Peacenik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:56:33 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: war, njc Den mother wrote: how do we survive this, knowing we are in our comfort, looking from the outside in. . retreating into the numbness of denial outside in oh priveleged one (me) life in the living room Dear Co-dep, Health need not morbidly reflect upon itself... otherwise it becomes just as unhealthy as the sick. Thank God we are where we are. Denial is forgetting recent history and looking at the conflict and trying to justify the means by the ends. You can take the "war" into your living room if you think it will make you feel better. But you will have to suffer the conflict there and end up drained and not able to be there for those you love and who love you, and it won't do the people dying in Iraq a bit of good either. Love, Recovering ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: war, njc A parallel thought crossed my mind yesterday...my son is home from college for the weekend (yay!) and we used yesterday as a day to do some small projects around the house. Mrs. SCJoniguy was also involved, so the day was a great one as we went to Home Depot, Lowe's and the local hardware store to gather up all the stuff we needed and made a good fun family memory simultaeously. My son is actually a better handyman than I am, but I'm cool with that. Anyway, we were replacing a bathroom light fixture and knocked out the power to about 3/4 of the house by miswiring an on/off switch we were adding to the fixture. We tripped a breaker which blew a fuse and we couldn't figure out how to get the power back up. Well, I'll only go so far with plumbing and electrical repairs before I'm willing to pay big bucks for someone who is an expert, which is what I did. The whole point of the story is that we were without power for ABOUT AN HOUR and I hated it. What's it like for so many Iraqis that haven't had power, water, sewer, etc. for YEARS now? I can't imagine. Bob NP: Yes, "A Venture" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Typo LOL...a Freudian slip, M-L? And I have to ask - why would you be creating artwork for a CD (S&L) that already has artwork? Bob NP: Ani, "Lost Woman Song" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Howdy and Thanks for A RIVER of Emails! Hi Trey, Being in the south, I didn't have any question about your name..."Trey" is a very popular nickname for all the Southern boys who are III's. I know a couple. I s'pose you're talking about me...well, there's certainly a thin line between cool & fool. Anyway, that Linda Ronstadt cover IS a real gem - then again, you've got a convergence of two very powerful things, Linda's voice, mixed with strength & emotion, and Joni's song, a vehicle for both. Matter of fact, there aren't too many covers of River that I don't like. It's just that good of a song I think. Coincidentally, my random music player has selected another great one just now. Thanks for taking the time to post - write when you can, dude. Bob NP: Allison Crowe, "River" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: war, njc - --- Bob Muller wrote: > my > son is home from college for > the weekend (yay!) (SNIP) > The whole point of the story is that we were without power for > ABOUT AN HOUR and I hated it. > What's it like for so many Iraqis that haven't > had power, water, sewer, etc. for YEARS now? I can't imagine. Not to mention Iraqis that are now without sons and other loved ones who died for what? September 11th? Hiding weapons of mass destruction? Ugh! This war is all about American ignorance and power lust. The sooner it ends, the closer we'll be to living in a sane world. I haven't been so ashamed to be American since Vietnam. Also, if someone could explain to me what "I support the troops but not the war" means I would appreciate it. In a case like Iraq it feels very much like saying "I hated the Holocaust but supported the Nazis." I really am sorry that economic circumstances and other problems have been a factor for many Americans who have chosen -- CHOSEN, not been drafted -- to be there, but what ever happened to being morally responsible for our actions? - --Smurf, unable to stay non-political with "this massive mess we're in" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:39:04 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: war, njc hello bob, appreciate your compassion. but lets not forget no running water, sanitation, and death everyday. it's the frecking pits. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: war, njc >A parallel thought crossed my mind yesterday...my son is home from college >for > the weekend (yay!) and we used yesterday as a day to do some small > projects > around the house. Mrs. SCJoniguy was also involved, so the day was a great > one > as we went to Home Depot, Lowe's and the local hardware store to gather up > all > the stuff we needed and made a good fun family memory simultaeously. > > My son > is actually a better handyman than I am, but I'm cool with that. > > Anyway, we > were replacing a bathroom light fixture and knocked out the power to about > 3/4 > of the house by miswiring an on/off switch we were adding to the fixture. > We > tripped a breaker which blew a fuse and we couldn't figure out how to get > the > power back up. Well, I'll only go so far with plumbing and electrical > repairs > before I'm willing to pay big bucks for someone who is an expert, which is > what I did. > The whole point of the story is that we were without power for > ABOUT AN HOUR and I hated it. > What's it like for so many Iraqis that haven't > had power, water, sewer, etc. for YEARS now? I can't imagine. > > Bob > > NP: Yes, > "A Venture" > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > !DSPAM:144,4569a8f2239666502718048! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:28:00 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: war, njc In a message dated 11/26/06 8:33:43 AM, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > What's it like for so many Iraqis that haven't had power, water, sewer, > etc. for YEARS now? I can't imagine. > Me either. With taking care of my kids, I haven't had the opportunity to do medical missions to the 3rd world like some of my friend have and see it for myself. But, I do financially support these and other good means to good ends. I also support shelters for battered women, because even in this free country, there is a major problem with this. Be careful with the wiring Bob. Glad you are safe! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:22:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC, The Return of Cat Stevens Happy Sunday, Joniamigos! Catherine asked about my comments here: >Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam's new CD (which is playing in > > my head constantly these > > days): > > > > The moment you walked inside my door > > I knew that I need not look no more > > I've seen many other souls before -- ah but > > Heaven must've programmed you > ******* >did you buy the CD, or were you listening on his >website? Just wondering if anyone has bought it and if >they like it. I bought it. I *had* to! I know that one should try to delay gratification, that that is the mature thing to do, but in this case -- no way, Jose! After 28 years of no Cat Stevens, I needed to feed my head, and pronto! >I will buy it anyway, or ask the kids to >get it for me for Christmas, but am wondering about >people's opinions. I always loved that song and it's >cool to hear it re-worked with some new lyrics after >all these years. (I think some of the lyrics ahve been >changed, but dang! now I'm not so sure). That's not a new song? Huh. Well, it's new to me, and it's just beautiful. It kind of builds up and swells at the end. I keep hitting "rewind/replay" (or whatever that button is called these days). I'm not a musician, or much of a critic, so all I can tell you is that my heart and mind loves Cat's/Yusuf's new CD. It's like having a lovely one-on-one reunion with someone you really liked in high school and/or college. Someone you've lost touch with and have really missed. Thanks to the internet, I have had many such reunions over the past few years, and have found that people don't change much at all -- their good qualities only ripen and mature and shine more beautifully. That's what I have found with Cat. He seems to have distilled himself (is that the right word?) even more into his purest self, which is peace. Like a concentrated, essential oil. I don't know....maybe some will think it is superficial or corny, but -- ha! - -- not me, the cheese who stands alone. I really have missed him and his voice and his vision. He helped form my character, I think, as did Joni. But unlike Joni, who was pretty much always there giving us something new to grow and feed on, he dropped off the face of the earth. All of the hope we haven't witnessed in almost thirty years. I'm glad he's back. I wonder how he'll be received now, or if he'll be received at all or just be a little blip on the charts and the in the reviews. Although I did hear on the CBS Sunday Morning show that he will be featured next week. YES! Bring him on! >like hearing Joan rework her old stuff on BSN and/or >Travelogue - some love it, some hate it, but it's >interesting to me to hear someone reflecting back with >the wisdom of age, or just with age and no wisdom >whatsoever, on what they thought about and words they >wrote when they were young. It sort of adds a patina. > Patina! Yes! Excellent choice of words. It sounds like the same old Cat, but richer somehow, more committed and even wiser. He makes me feel serene and peaceful, like the dream is still alive, and something to strive for. His music washes and balances me, in the words of someone we all know and love. His lyrics are pretty simple, and his soul comes through when he sings them. Takes me to a gentle, spiritual zone like the contemplative Neil does in "It's a Dream" or "When God Made Me." But of course I'm biased. Anyone who wrote a "pacifist anthem" in the 70s is going to appeal to my heart and mind. I find his voice very soothing as he sings some simple truths. Little gems (peridots!) and pearls of wisdom are scattered about. Par example: "Oh and every little thing you do You better know it's coming back to you" and "Greenfields and Golden Sands Are all I need; are all I want Let the wind blow hard, I don't mind A small house and an olive tree, To keep and feed my family...." (His website says this song may have inspired John Lennon's "Imagine".) "You can't bargain with the truth..." "And if you want to help your fellow man You better start with what's in your hand..." "One day at a time, we can learn to fly...." The third song (Maybe There's a World) starts off with him humming......mmmmmmm.....the Cat Steven's soothing "mmmmm".....like "ohmmmmmm". There are some lyrics that make me think of Joni (imaginez-vous!): butterflies, the garden, children playing in the rain (Michael from Mountains), dark vs. coming into the light, etc. I can't help but think w/ audacious hope that he could be a peaceful bridge between clashing cultures, if people would only listen, and see the world through his eyes: "I have dreamed of an open world, borderless and wide Where the people move from place to place and nobody's taking sides" I know. You may say I'm a dreamer. It's tough work, but somebody's got to do it, non? "Ya gotta believe!", like the 1969 NY Mets said. "I think I see the light, Coming to me, coming through me, Giving me a second sight so shine, shine, shine.... I think I see the light." Okay, Catherine, you asked. So this long post is all your fault, sistah! Just my two cents (uh oh! Did I overspend again, Laura? ) Love, Patti P., back on the peace train P.S. For what it's worth: From yesterday's Hartford Courant (AP): The Cat Is Back Yusuf Islam, the British folk singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, has released his first mainstream album since he ditched the rock-star life in the late-1970s, when he became a Muslim. The man behind such tunes as "Wild World," "Moonshadow," and the pacifist anthem "Peace Train" said in a recent interview that he had such a good time making his new album, "An Other Cup," that he looks forward to returning to the studio, if not to the concert trail. "I've been a Muslim now as long as I was a non-Muslim, 29 years," he told Reuters. "So there's a kind of a meeting point, perhaps, here where I'm now able to balance all my lifelong experience and sing in harmony again." The 58-year-old father of five has not exactly been idle in the intervening years. He has focused on running Muslim schools and a charity called Small Kindness, with an occasional break to make religious albums. But he never quite turned his back on his previous life, thanks to hefty royalty income from album sales and cover versions of his songs, and frequent requests to license his tunes for movies and TV shows. *** Did they say "concert trail?" Mmmmm...wouldn't that would be nice! _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:46:13 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: New CD Covers From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" > Hello everybody. Spent a lazy Sunday burning CDs and designing covers The second is for the 1978 Bread > & Roses concert in Sacramento B&R took place in Berkeley-it's news to me that there is a recording of this (she played B&R in '78 & '80). I'd love to hear it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:31:27 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Lullaby and Dog Eat dog Hello you all, Liked your story Trey about your mother singing you asleep with the Ethiopia piece... made me smile and think about some Joni pieces I sometimes sing my daughter after a night talk on the pillow ... not always your typical lullaby though. I'd say lots have to do with the way words can be wispered :-) My daughter really likes it when I sing her the song about the "furry man" (le grincheux qui joue du blues"), it seems she loves to hear me wisper the part: .."propped up in his bed, with his dentures and his leg removed..." go figure it out! These days, the Dog Eat Dog piece is constantly re-playing in my head. I remember reading here about the album being remastered by someone (I cannot find this email though so I cannot remember who posted it unfortunately). Maybe I'd like to get my hand on this one. Could someone give me some info on that please? I feel ripe for re-connecting with the album :-) Also, still regarding this piece, does someone know where I could get my hands on her live version of it, the exact version showed on the "Women of Heart and Mind" documentary (What show was that again?)? This version is sssooo appealing to me. Thanks, Evelyne. Now playing, Cohen's live version of "Joan of Arc"... boy is it ever an intense peace. Love it to tears. - ---------------------------------------- 2nd: My Mom is my best bud. She turned onto JM when she was a PG lady from > MS of the late 1980s and found out some stuff about JM having a kid out of > wedlock. I guess she was kind of inspired. I grew up hearing all of JMs stuff > from Dog Eat Dog forward. Believe it or not, one song I remember my Mom singing > me to asleep with was Ethiopia. Kinda morbid, huh? She is a beautiful woman > with a great voice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:32:35 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: ISO Boot for Joni Tribute @ Carnegie Hall 2/1/06 Oh please let us know if you find such a bootleg! As far as I know none exist but I'm sure you'd have a ton of takers for a tree if one is located. Warmly, Cassy NP: Bing Crosby - White Christmas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:00:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, James Taylor this Wednesday On to mark your calendars red ribbon runners for the caressing rev of James Taylor's voice..... For JT fans in the U.S. (do these shows play in Canada, I wonder? O, Canada....) From www.jamestaylor.com: "See James' Upcoming Television Appearances: WED NOVEMBER 29 - 9PM (ET) PBS' GREAT PERFORMANCES MUSICARES: 'SALUTE TO JAMES TAYLOR' FRI, DECEMBER 1 - TODAY SHOW - NBC - 7-10AM (ET) FRI, DEC 8 and WED, DEC 22- THE EARLY SHOW - CBS 7-9AM (ET) Check Local Listings" My little newspaper TV section says "Concert honoring James Taylor includes performances by David Crosby and Sheryl Crow." David Crosby! Da man! And you know...... I saw JT on one of those morning shows a year or two ago. When Harry Smith (or whoever) asked him about his music making people, ummm, want to make love, and that he was responsible for many a dorm hook-up back in the days, JT laughed and said he wished he had five bucks for every time that supposedly happened. Said he'd be a rich man. He also said something about coming out with a new album sometime and when the host asked him what it would sound like, JT laughed and shrugged self-deprecatingly (sp?) and said: "Oh, just like all the others. I always sound the same." Do you think Joni will be watching her best-ever lover? I know I will be. I saw him in August at the Mohegan Sun (Indian land again) and he was a joy to behold. Very relaxed and happily interacting with the audience. He told some funny stories. One was about a song he wrote (can't remember the name, sorry!) after his first child was born in NYC (to Carly, of course). He shared how happy and buoyant he was walking down the streets of NYC, the new father, all pumped up with pride and joy. And how he stopped into a bar to celebrate and was with a friend and wrote the song. He said the next morning the friend mentioned the song to him, and JT didn't remember doing it, until he looked into his pocket and found the song. "Oh, yeah! I guess I did!" It was funny; we all laughed. He also did a song I'd never heard him do before. He said they had been playing a lot of state fairs this summer, and that this song had been very well received. He went on to do a beeeeyooootiful rendition of "Oh What A Beautiful Morning" from "Oklahama." The harmonies that came from him and his back-up singers were just exquisite. Goosebumps. Okay, back to the Sunday crossword. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:11:22 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: NJC it's only me.... put some meaning...heavenly around me...can we ever understand...too close to wants around me...it's about me...me ..me...I can see nothing but me...... feel nothing ...hear nothing....what was before me.... War Deaths Notes American Revolution 25,324 Bunker Hill cost 400 American lives War of 1812 2,260 Mexican War 13,283 Civil War Union 498,332 Antietam cost 5,000 lives on both sides..bloodiest day in American Confederacy 364,821 history. Casualties...about three percent of the U.S. population. Spanish-American War 2,446 World War I 116,516 Battle of Somme cost 19,240 British lives on a SINGLE DAY (total British casualties that day 57,470) World War I I 405,399 Other Losses: *Soviet: ten million German: 3.5 million Japan: 1.5 million British: 280.000 At Dunkirk the British suffered 68,000 casualties Korean War 54,246 Vietnam War 56,244 Panama Invasion 23 Gulf War 148 Iraq War ??? I would encourage people to read about the Siege of Leningrad..... the horrors that happened....talk about horrific.... _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: war, njc Hmm - I thought that was my point. Sorry if I didn't state it clearly. And today marks the day that we have been involved with this Iraqmire longer than we were involved in WWII. Bob NP: AC/DC, "Breaking The Rules" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:46:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, black friday , then Condi on CODEPINK Kate wrote: Patti P >People are dying by the hundreds in Iraq, fires burning everywhere (Joni said George Bush is burning down the world) and what are people doing in the U.S.? Shopping! Knocking each other over for cheap TV sets and iPods and the like. "Restless consumers".< having never participated in this shopping ritual I don't get it... however, I must add that this fits quite nicely into the gwb view of patriotism- as he encouraged all citizens to go shopping in response to the 9/11 attacks... probably the way he was raised- if having a crisis, go spend money Yes, Kate, when the going gets tough, go SHOPPING? HUH? You remind me of an email I got from CODEPINK just before the election. LOL....when I first read it (gullible me) for the first ten seconds I sat in front of my computer rubbing my eyes mumbling: "Say WHAT? *Condi* joined CODEPINK???? Huh?" Then of course I quickly realized it was a joke. That would never happen. Love, Patti P. Here's that message: November 2, 2006 Dear Patti, You may recall how right after Hurricane Katrina struck the gulf coast, I was in New York, spending thousands of dollars on shoes. Ferragamos to be precise. It's true --people were drowning, people were suffering and losing their homes and I was out shopping. Remember after 9-11 when my boss told us to be patriotic and go shopping? Well, I truly believed that a little retail therapy in a time of stress was a good thing for the economy and for the soul. But a funny thing happened to me on my way to Jimmy Choo's. I stumbled upon a bunch of old shoes in front of Hillary Clinton's office on Third Avenue. I wondered if it was some kind of tag sale. But as I looked closer, I saw that each pair of shoes instead of having a price tag was labeled with the name and age of an Iraqi child. A woman dressed all in fuchsia, with a pink statue of liberty crown on her head, explained that each pair of shoes represented a child who had been killed in Iraq. It was a CODEPINK: Women for Peace demonstration. I was told, it was part of a campaign called "Walk in Their Shoes." In that moment I had what my boss might call a conversion experience. Suddenly it hit me. Between my high-powered job, my shoe shopping and my piano playing, I had never stopped to think about all the dead children in Iraq. I went to my hotel room, gathered up my shoes and ran back to Hillary's office to donate them to the campaign. So I'm writing to you now, a new woman, asking you to join me. Vote for peace candidates. Sign the Give Peace a Vote pledge. Organize a Walk in Their Shoes action in your community. Donate money to the campaign. Let's kick the heels out of office and fill their shoes with leaders who will bring our soldiers home! Yours in sole and soul, Condi Rice P.S. Alright, so Condi didn't actually have a pink conversion or write this letter, but if you want to see the White House turning pink, click here. We have over 70,000 signers of the peace pledge! Won't you help us get to 100,000 by November 7 by signing and getting 5 friends to sign on? _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, The Return of Cat Stevens I always loved that song and > it's > >cool to hear it re-worked with some new lyrics > after > >all these years. - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > That's not a new song? Huh. Well, it's new to me, > and it's just beautiful. It's part of "The Foreigner" suite. I'm going to put a live version of it up on Yousendit as soon as I can convert it to mp3. I'm doing some other stuff right now that's using up too much memory (computer's, not mine!) > Okay, Catherine, you asked. So this long post is > all your fault, sistah! Whatevah! I'm glad you posted all that because that's what I was hoping for. 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