From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 423 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: returns njc [Bob Muller ] RE: returns njc [Em ] Re: returns njc [Em ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?time=20for=20meeting=20=20=20=20some=20jonish=20 content?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" ] JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE ["Mary Morris" ] Re: returns njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: returns njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE ["Lori Fye" ] Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) ["Lori Fye" ] RE: returns njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) [Smurf ] Tonights' Lev Moross opening - SJC [Loren Carter ] Re: JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE [Bob Muller ] Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: returns njc [Bob Muller ] Re: returns njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #422 [Benedicte Nielsen ] RE: returns njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: returns njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) [] RE: returns njc - "pelosi disappeared" was just another rightwing lie ["p] Joni+Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame ["Lindsay Moon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: returns njc Hmm...so let me get this straight - it's all-important that we stay in Iraq and spend additional young lives and resources, but we don't know what a win is...? Why does this answer not surprise me? Oh please - this is the worst of the right-wing rhetoric. As I said previously, our conflict in Iraq no longer even revolves around the terrorists. Iraq is in chaos, and Sunnis and Shia are battling each other (and us in the middle) to gain control of resources if and when things begin to calm down. Meanwhile, we'll end up spending trillions (I can't even imagine those kind of numbers) of dollars and thousands of American lives (and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives) chasing our own tail. By diving in and staying engaged, we are playing into their hands - we took the bait and now we're getting played, wasting resources that could be truly making our country safer and stronger. < It isn't going away. > On this point we agree...but the London incident proves that the way to tackle terrorism is by using intelligence and police, NOT military force. By the same token, we HAVE crippled Al Qaeda's ability to communicate amongst themselves through intelligence; there may be more of them but they are massively disorganized. A well-organized long term event like what they pulled off with 9/11 is all but impossible now. Of course, there are other things that smaller groups could do - terror is not going away as you say, especially when we are providing the conflict that serves to further create hostility & retribution. This is more empty cliche & rhetoric. How many of Bin Laden's "Number two" men have we killed? And a replacement appears instantly. Bin Laden himself is irrelevant now. There is no "stopping them in their tracks" bullshit. It's like Sorcerer's apprentice Mickey Mouse trying to get rid of his cursed brooms by chopping them in two...every splinter becomes a new broom and he's worse off than when he began. That's the reality of where we are - where we have been for awhile now. Apples & Oranges, Bree (not to mention a classic subterfuge) - Germany declared WAR and FDR responded appropriately, coming to the aid of our allies. There was a mission and a plan. The enemy was discernible and geographical. Unlike Iraq where Bush invaded and occupied a country that did nothing to us and he's declared war against a noun that is neither discernible or centrally located. Of course the terror threat is real, I'm not saying it's not. But it's painfully obvious that Iraq is accomplishing NOTHING. Worse, it's moving us in the wrong direction. And all the cliches in the world won't change that. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Kentucky Avenue" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: returns njc true enough, in a sense. Florida's Bill Nelson might as well be a Republican. He represents almost nothing in the least bit progressive. Lift the embargo on Cuba?? nevah....we can all live and DIE without ever going to Cuba because of these whores like Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez. Em - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Yes...the Republican lost.. by his own dumb doings...but a > conservative won. > That Webb guy ..even though he has a D behind his name.....is a > conservative. And quite a few of the Democrats who unseated > Republicans if > one had removed the D OR R behind their names... and one just looked > at > their beliefs and what they stood for...it would have been hard to > distinguish between the two. (Who is who ) > > Bree > > > >Even a majority of people in my homestate of Virginia, > >traditionally Republican, voted for a Democratic > >Senator! That goes to show how so many people disagree > >with what the Bushies are doing. And now the world > >knows that too! It took longer than I was happy with > >(about 6 years too long) for people to finally catch > >on to how dishonest Bush is and how destructive he and > >the Bushies are, but thank goodness enough people > >finally did! > > > >Debra Shea > >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > >http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your > cash with > Live Search! > http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: returns njc I think many people who don't want us to leave and therefore "lose" really are too shy or afraid to say what they really want - and my hunch, and I'll admit its just a hunch, because no one has out and said it - is for the US to go ahead and occupy Iraq more or less forever, and try our best to indeed Americanize/Westernize that region. Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > > > Hmm...so let me get this straight - it's all-important that we stay > in Iraq and spend additional young lives and resources, but we don't > know what a win is...? Why does this answer not surprise me? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:34:48 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?time=20for=20meeting=20=20=20=20some=20jonish=20 content?= We're meeting at the formosa cafe, 4:30 ish then going to the show, which begins at six. Sure wish everyone could be here lesli ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:40:27 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Eleven New And Happy Things Here's number eight. I've been saying something similar to this for the past 2 days. *8)* A grab bag of progressive goodies: First woman speaker in history. Huge surge in Democratic governors across the United States. First black gov in Massachusetts history, only the second in American history. Fewer childish "I'm the decider" blurts (hopefully). Possible major policy items long repressed by the GOP, like socialized medicine, stem cell research and real Medicare reform, are suddenly back on the table. Hell, even contemplating such possibilities is like taking a deep, fresh breath after having a smelly sock shoved in your mouth for, oh, about six years. Read the entire latest Mark Morford column here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/11/10/notes111006.DTL&nl=fix Lori, breathing fresh air in Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:59:26 -0800 From: "Mary Morris" Subject: JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE Is it just me, or what has happened to the Joni Mitchell website ? I can't get in. I get a home page from a server advertising it's web hosting services. ???? This has been going on for last 4 days. Anyone else out there been able to find the site ? Mary [TABLE NOT SHOWN] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:05:37 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: returns njc >very sure of what the ramifications of America losing it's will would >mean. > The loss would mean the terrorists win ...> >Oh please - this is the worst of the right-wing rhetoric. As I said >previously, our conflict in Iraq no longer even revolves around the >terrorists. > I bet the terrorists would beg to differ...Bob..and probably be highly insulted. To deny they are in the mix...I don't understand that. Bill Maher was spouting that line the other night...he's a funny guy...but he's no expert. It's just his opinion. ...stick to Las Vegas ...Bill. < It isn't going away. > > >On this point we agree...but the London incident proves that the way to >tackle terrorism is by using intelligence and police, NOT military force. >By the same token, we HAVE crippled Al Qaeda's ability to communicate >amongst themselves through intelligence; there may be more of them but they >are massively disorganized. A well-organized long term event like what they >pulled off with 9/11 is all but impossible now. Of course, there are other >things that smaller groups could do - terror is not going away as you say, >especially when we are providing the conflict that serves to further > >create hostility & retribution. We have to use any and all resources..including our military might...it's going to take it all to have any kind world stability in the coming years. Yes...we agree...thank God for Bush and Blair...finally they did something right....it's good to hear this. The good news has been so suppressed..he's so hated ..on and on. Bush implemented some great intelligence initiatives that would NOT be in place today...IF it had been left to a certain segment of the Democratic party. Yes...that London plan was thwarted ..and interesting thing developed just recently..probably very few people heard about ..British intelligence released.. that if the terrorists would have succeeded with their deadly acts ..those hijacked planes were set to blow up over American cities.... not the Atlantic. This came out in the heat of midterms....I wonder which page the New York Times had this story on? > knocking on the door again.> > >This is more empty cliche & rhetoric. How many of Bin Laden's "Number two" >men have we killed? And a replacement appears instantly. Bin Laden himself >is irrelevant now. There is no "stopping them in their tracks" bullshit. Maybe Bin Laden is irrelevant..bush got creamed in the press for saying what you just wrote. But remember...Bin Laden did say it was his "duty' to get nukes. I'm sure his replacements have the same view. >of >some major bloody battles we fought.... > > >Apples & Oranges, Bree (not to mention a classic subterfuge) - Germany >declared WAR and FDR responded appropriately, coming to the aid of our >allies. There was a mission and a plan. The enemy was discernible and >geographical. Unlike Iraq where Bush invaded and occupied a country that >did nothing to us and he's declared war against a noun that is neither >discernible or centrally located. We didn't want to get involved...Bob ..it wasn't until Pearl Harbor that we got in. Churchill wanted us to... long before Pearl Harbor... but FDR resisted. But this isn't the point that I was trying to make...it is a war that is raging or waiting to rage..yes..it's unconventional....but it's real ...and I don't think America should take a loss...we have to stabilize things before abandoning Iraq. (The comparison I was making about Iraq and WW2 is that we didn't get weak in the knees. ) How to do that ...that is the question. No..Bush has not run a perfect war..but how would that be possible? It's war...for God sakes. Again..I don't know exactly what a win would look like over there...but I sure as heck what a loss would. Joe Biden suggested dividing Iraq up into three segments...maybe that is the answer...?? We'll see what develops...but just leaving is not the answer. Bree >Bob > >NP: Tom Waits, "Kentucky Avenue" > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Cheap talk? >Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >http://voice.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:37:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: returns njc > We'll see what develops...but just leaving is not the answer. That is so easy to say when it's none of US who is there. It's simply amazing to me that no one has yet figured out that war never solves anything. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:44:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE > Is it just me, or what has happened to the Joni Mitchell website ? I > can't get in. I get a home page from a server advertising it's web > hosting services. ???? This has been going on for last 4 days. Anyone > else out there been able to find the site ? It's been working fine for me, Mary. http://www.jonimitchell.com/ Lori Santa Rosa, CA Northeast Jonifest 2007 info: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:47:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) What an interesting picture being used for the "Joni in Fiction" link at www.jonimitchell.com! Kind of looks like Sandra Bullock in Joni makeup. When was that pic taken? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: returns njc Thank you Patrick, who is far better read but almost always on the same page as I. And I would only add this ... one of the only real conservatives to win Tuesday - was neither a Democrat nor a Republican .... it was an Independent named Joe Lieberman. A man who came sooo close to being Vice President and you know maybe even more! Peace, Susan patrick leader wrote: bree, i can really tell that you listen to right-wing radio or read the rightwing propaganda. or is it fox? because you're always right here with the latest rightwing spin. so here's some fact based left commentary, from dailykos: ******** One of the most moronic media lines last night, and continuing through today, is how "conservative" these newly elected Democrats are. Except, that they're not. In the Senate: Bernie Sanders, VT: So conservative that he's a "socialist". His National Journal "liberal" rating is 89.7 (out of 100). Sherrod Brown, OH: NJ liberal rating is 84.2. For comparison's sake, Harold Ford -- a real conservative Democrat -- had a 58.3 rating. Sheldon Whitehouse, RI: An unabashed liberal in every definition of the word. I mean, he defeated a liberal Republican. Claire McCaskill, MO: She's a progressive on every major issue. In fact, it was one of the GOP's lines of attacks against her. As the conservative Real Clear Politics wrote in its race summary: "State Auditor Claire McCaskill lost a close governor's race two years ago to Gov. Matt Blunt 51% - 48% and thus starts out of the gate with a high level of name recognition and a solid base of support. However, McCaskill lost 90 out of 97 counties statewide and has a problem of being perceived as too liberal outside of metro St. Louis and Kansas City. Missouri is a relatively, culturally conservative state that President Bush won by 3% in 2000 and 7% in 2004 and running the standard Republican playbook hitting McCaskill as too liberal on judges, the war, and taxes should be enough for Talent to carry the day." Amy Klobuchar, MN: There's nothing "conservative" about our newest senator from one of the bluest states in the union. Jon Tester, MT: One of the people accused of being a "conservative" Dem, yet he's against flag burning amendment, against an amendment banning gay marriage, against the Patriot Act, and against the war. He's an economic populist, social libertarian, pro-choice Democrat. He may be one of the very few senators who actually lives paycheck to paycheck. He's an organic farmer. He's not Bernie Sanders or Sherrod Brown, but a "conservative" Dem? Ridiculous. Jim Webb, VA: Politically very similar to Tester. He's libertarian on social issues, an economic populist. He wants out of Iraq and he has a personal stake in the war -- his son is actually deployed to Iraq. Sure, he served in the Reagan Administration, and sure, he can be classified as a "moderate" (whatever that means), but he's no "conservative". ****** patrick adds that Webb said, on election night: "There were a lot of misperceptions about why I got into this race. I was watching on election night some of the analysts and one of the frequent things that was being said about this campaign was that I came to the Democratic party purely on issues regarding the Iraq war. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think I and a lot of people like me had aligned themselves with the Republican party on national security issues but were always concerned about issues of economic fairness and social justice." and patrick adds that economic fairness and social justice are not conservative values. ****** Are there moderates? Yes. Is the country moving to the center? Of course. The Democrats will push it there from the far right. If you define the "center" by where the American people reside, we are the center party. But the notion that it's "conservative" Democrats who won last night is utter hogwash, a desperate gambit by Republicans to try and spin something good from the election. But they're wrong. What we saw last night is that despite the institutional advantages the GOP had -- more money, incumbency, redistricting, the VRWC, and the bully pulpit of the White House, the Speaker's Gavel, and the Senate Majority Leader's office -- Republicans still suffered epic loses. ******* patrick np - rickie lee jones, evening of my best day >That Webb guy ..even though he has a D behind his name.....is a conservative. And quite a few of the Democrats who unseated Republicans if one had removed the D OR R behind their names... and one just looked at their beliefs and what they stood for...it would have been hard to distinguish between the two. (Who is who ) - --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) I thought it was Kilauren and that someone had put it there accidentally. Sh*t, I better do some updatin' if I want Les to pay me! - --Smurf - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lori Fye To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:47:28 PM Subject: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) What an interesting picture being used for the "Joni in Fiction" link at www.jonimitchell.com! Kind of looks like Sandra Bullock in Joni makeup. When was that pic taken? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Carter Subject: Tonights' Lev Moross opening - SJC All, Sadly, we're on the other side of the continent, so we won't be able to attend the opening, but I did just get off of the phone with the gallery looking to purchase something Joni-related from the opening as a Christmas present for my wife. She's the true Joni-fanatic. Every year that we're been together I've managed the Joni Mitchell related present. Hopefully, I'll manage to get something from the opening. When I spoke to them, they mentioned a catalogue of the art to be shown, so maybe I'll be able to get one of those. I got her one from the Mendel show years ago, but another nice lithograph may be in the offing as well. I'll see what I can purchase from waaaay over here. If anyone does see something, being offered for sale (and under $350 or so), I'd be more than willing to reimburse (and do so quickly), if someone could pick up something as a present for my wife. I thought about the signed painted bowl being offered on eBay, but I didn't want to get into the whole bidding and rebidding process, only to lose out at the last minute, or be cheated by some clown. I trust you all, since I feel like I know you all. So, if anyone's willing to help me, I'd be most grateful and appreciative. My personal e-mail is lorencarter00@yahoo.com in case you'd like to contact me off list. Or send to my work address lcarter@hjf.org and the blackberry will ring, beep, vibrate, and whirr to let me know that a new e-mail has been received. humbly, thanks, Loren - ----- Original Message ---- From: LESLI A WATTS To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:34:48 AM Subject: time for meeting some jonish content We're meeting at the formosa cafe, 4:30 ish then going to the show, which begins at six. Sure wish everyone could be here lesli ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:39:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) - --- Lori Fye wrote: > What an interesting picture being used for the "Joni > in Fiction" link at > www.jonimitchell.com! Kind of looks like Sandra > Bullock in Joni makeup. > When was that pic taken? > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA > I wish I could find the Joni in fiction link! nice website, Les, con muchos colores. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > nice website, Les, con muchos colores. > > I meant to add that I like the font-size thing at the bottom that you can click to get bigger font. That's a nice sight for these sore eyes! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) - njc - --- Catherine wrote: I meant to add that I like the font-size thing at the bottom that you can click to get bigger font. Hey! Where can I get one of those for my pants! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) - njc - --- Smurf wrote: > --- Catherine wrote: > > I meant to add that I like the font-size thing at > the > bottom that you can click to get bigger font. > > > Hey! Where can I get one of > those for my pants! > > --Smurf He's baaaaaccccccccckkk! LOL, Smurf. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:04:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: returns njc >A win....I'm not totally sure what a win would be..but a loss in Iraq...I'm very sure of what the ramifications of America losing it's will would mean.< a loss is what we've already had... all of the middle east military experts predicted this... the administration with their pnac think tank agenda far removed from reality had no real knowledge of how to accomplish their objective... >The loss would mean the terrorists win ...in essence... they broke America's back...our resolve. The tribal situation..I haven't a clue. The fanaticism and the hate for the west is alive and well. It isn't going away. We either stop them in their tracks now or wait until they come knocking on the door again.< this pov does not take into account how we've created so much hate for our country but what we've done in iraq... you admit to not having a clue about the tribal situation but it is pretty central to understanding why we have not been successful there... the kill them there so they won't kill us here is the kind of nonsense that has fueled a gross ignorance of what is going on... if you want to talk about terrorists, it is helpful in understanding what goes into making someone a terrorist recruit & doing the opposite... we have the power & the money to do the opposite but chose the low road & it didn't work as predicted... >I know there are no easy answers because it is a complicated mess. The terrorists are all over the world.. some overt... but many operating covertly. And they don't shy away from their goals of annihilating anyone who thinks differently than they. I guess I have always looked at Bush and Blair as seeing these as very real threats and deciding to act on them. History will judge them either right or wrong.< You might ask yourself then, why would bush, if he had any real clarity on the threat of terrorism, demote the very man who had the most experience in this (Richard Clarke). >I know that the second world war was no piece of cake either and because of some major bloody battles we fought.... the casualties ....thousands more than in Iraq ...at times it looked like we wouldn't win the thing. We hung in there...it didn't break America's spirit...had we just pulled out ...what a different landscape today...what a different world it would be. Bree< There is very little about iraq that is like ww2... if there is any analogy it is Vietnam... but I think overtime we can do the right thing & help restore iraq to its potential but it is not through military force... For anyone interested, there is a very thoughtful & lengthy article called - -- The Way Out of War: A Blueprint for Leaving Iraq Now By George S. McGovern and William R. Polk Harper's Magazine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:19:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: JONI MITCHELL WEBSITE Hi Mary, It's most likely your Internet Service Provider. If you're using a bookmark to open it up, try going to Google and typing in Joni Mitchell and going in that way. I haven't had any problems accessing the site. And while you're out here, talk to us a bit. I'm starting to bore myself to tears and am always anxiuos to hear fresh voices. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "To Love Is To Bury" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:21:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) Smurf wrote: > I thought it was Kilauren and that someone had put it there accidentally. I also thought it was Kilauren at first glance, but then that wouldn't make a lot of sense, would it? (Of course, neither would a pic of Sandra Bullock, but then it IS the Fiction link, afterall.) > Sh*t, I better do some updatin' if I want Les to pay me! You and me both, brother. Catherine wrote: > I wish I could find the Joni in fiction link! Why are so many people having trouble with the website? I'm not having these problems. http://www.jonimitchell.com/fiction/ Oh wait ... now the Sandra Bullock picture is gone from the home page!! Hmm ... I think I see ... it's a random thing. Each time you refresh the home page, you get different features. Tricky! : ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: returns njc 50+ years later, we still have 30,000 troops in Korea. We will remain in Iraq for a long, long, time - hopefully not in our present quagmired incarnation. Lest we forget, our first order of business there was to establish lots of permanent bases. You wouldn't be saying that if you were a defense contractor, Lori - - it solves the dilemma of lining lots of empty pockets. btw, I salute and toast you and Gene Mock and all our other JMDL veterans, one day early. As for me, I'm just a veteran of the petty wars that shellshock love away. Bob NP: Joey Ramone, "Searching For Something" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:41:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: returns njc > 50+ years later, we still have 30,000 troops in Korea. Yeah, I went to the 38th parallel in 1981 ... what a depressing and tense place that is. > We will remain in Iraq for a long, long, time - hopefully not in our > present quagmired incarnation. Lest we forget, our first order of > business there was to establish lots of *permanent* bases. The better to control the all-important OIL, my dear. > You wouldn't be saying that if you were a defense contractor, > Lori - it solves the dilemma of lining lots of empty pockets. That's not a dilemma, that's just greed. And satisfying it is oh-so-temporary. (Oops, am I showing again what a bad capitalist I make?) > btw, I salute and toast you and Gene Mock and all our other JMDL veterans, one day early. Thanks, Bob. I believe there's only one other military veteran on the JMDL, and I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember who he is. Anyone else here a vet? > As for me, I'm just a veteran of the petty wars that shellshock love away. As are all of us. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2006 19:44:22 +0000 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #422 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:29:10 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Wall paper Mark said: ".....I am so disappointed now that I once had the opportunity to catch Joni's one and only show in Sydney and didn't go. I live now vicariously through people like you and of course my art. This is why I need to interact in some way with Joni and create these wallpapers and my CD covers. Maybe this is another reason why her face must be included in every wallpaper, Bene." - --- I rest my case! Yours Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:48:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: returns njc Patrick..I have never ever shied or ran away from who I am. I am a conservative ..Republican. ...who happens to be a lesbian. If you want to use label of right-winger...fine with me. And yes...I love and listen to right- wing talk radio...do you listen to Air America? Are they still on the air? ;-0 I'll tell you when I first sought out right-wing radio..it was when Clinton first ran and the press was practically canonizing him...and looked as they wanted a coronation also. It was so frustrating to me at the time...I sought out and found people who thought as I did...via the airways. What's wrong with that? I guess this Jonilist would be a good analogy...I sought this list out because the people here think Joni is awesome...and she gets recognized. I don't see Harold Ford's name listed below... that Web guy is very strong pro-military but who wasn't for Iraq ..nor Casey from Pennsylvania...a democrat who is pro-life... imagine that. Remember his late father who was pro-life ..he was NOT allowed to even speak at the 94 Democratic convention? It was Pelosi's strategy to run conservative Democrats in most of those races where a Democrat gain was possible....while she sort of disappeared for a bit. I give her kudos for her strategy..it worked. Considering all the sh*t that was thrown at Bush for months and months...the loss was NOT epic at all. Many of these races were very..very close. Clinton lost forty five house seats...one democratic president lost seventy seven....now that is epic. You guys won...why does it have to be epic? It wasn't just the Republ who had money and spent it...that's a canard. Hillary Clinton spent a little shy of thirty million on her re-election bid in NY. Why ..I wonder?? Certainly her Repub challenger wasn't any real threat...yeah ..she wanted an EPIC win. Yes..many Republicans lost and they deserved it. The smaller government desire didn't go away because Democrats took both houses...as evidenced that sixty percent voter polled wanted less government intrusion in their lives. That is a conservative thing.....some Republicans betrayed that. We will see how things play out....who pulls who....I'm looking forward to it. Bree >bree, i can really tell that you listen to right-wing radio or read the >rightwing propaganda. or is it fox? because you're always right here with >the latest rightwing spin. so here's some fact based left commentary, from >dailykos: > >******** >One of the most moronic media lines last night, and continuing through >today, is how "conservative" these newly elected Democrats are. > >Except, that they're not. In the Senate: > >Bernie Sanders, VT: So conservative that he's a "socialist". His National >Journal "liberal" rating is 89.7 (out of 100). > >Sherrod Brown, OH: NJ liberal rating is 84.2. For comparison's sake, Harold >Ford -- a real conservative Democrat -- had a 58.3 rating. > >Sheldon Whitehouse, RI: An unabashed liberal in every definition of the >word. I mean, he defeated a liberal Republican. > >Claire McCaskill, MO: She's a progressive on every major issue. In fact, it >was one of the GOP's lines of attacks against her. As the conservative Real >Clear Politics wrote in its race summary: > >"State Auditor Claire McCaskill lost a close governor's race two years ago >to Gov. Matt Blunt 51% - 48% and thus starts out of the gate with a high >level of name recognition and a solid base of support. However, McCaskill >lost 90 out of 97 counties statewide and has a problem of being perceived >as >too liberal outside of metro St. Louis and Kansas City. Missouri is a >relatively, culturally conservative state that President Bush won by 3% in >2000 and 7% in 2004 and running the standard Republican playbook hitting >McCaskill as too liberal on judges, the war, and taxes should be enough for >Talent to carry the day." > >Amy Klobuchar, MN: There's nothing "conservative" about our newest senator >from one of the bluest states in the union. > >Jon Tester, MT: One of the people accused of being a "conservative" Dem, >yet >he's against flag burning amendment, against an amendment banning gay >marriage, against the Patriot Act, and against the war. He's an economic >populist, social libertarian, pro-choice Democrat. He may be one of the >very >few senators who actually lives paycheck to paycheck. He's an organic >farmer. > >He's not Bernie Sanders or Sherrod Brown, but a "conservative" Dem? >Ridiculous. > >Jim Webb, VA: Politically very similar to Tester. He's libertarian on >social >issues, an economic populist. He wants out of Iraq and he has a personal >stake in the war -- his son is actually deployed to Iraq. Sure, he served >in >the Reagan Administration, and sure, he can be classified as a "moderate" >(whatever that means), but he's no "conservative". > >****** >patrick adds that Webb said, on election night: "There were a lot of >misperceptions about why I got into this race. I was watching on election >night some of the analysts and one of the frequent things that was being >said about this campaign was that I came to the Democratic party purely on >issues regarding the Iraq war. > >Nothing could be further from the truth. > >I think I and a lot of people like me had aligned themselves with the >Republican party on national security issues but were always concerned >about >issues of economic fairness and social justice." > >and patrick adds that economic fairness and social justice are not >conservative values. >****** > >Are there moderates? Yes. Is the country moving to the center? Of course. >The Democrats will push it there from the far right. If you define the >"center" by where the American people reside, we are the center party. > >But the notion that it's "conservative" Democrats who won last night is >utter hogwash, a desperate gambit by Republicans to try and spin something >good from the election. > >But they're wrong. What we saw last night is that despite the institutional >advantages the GOP had -- more money, incumbency, redistricting, the VRWC, >and the bully pulpit of the White House, the Speaker's Gavel, and the >Senate >Majority Leader's office -- Republicans still suffered epic loses. >******* > >patrick > >np - rickie lee jones, evening of my best day > > > >That Webb guy ..even though he has a D behind his name.....is a >conservative. And quite a few of the Democrats who unseated Republicans >if >one had removed the D OR R behind their names... and one just looked at >their beliefs and what they stood for...it would have been hard to >distinguish between the two. (Who is who ) _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:39:40 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: returns njc Bree, you wrote: > It was Pelosi's strategy to run conservative Democrats in > most of those races where a Democrat gain was possible....while she sort of > disappeared for a bit. I give her kudos for her strategy..it worked. I didn't realize Pelosi was in charge of the entire process. How interesting! ; ) From http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_11_05_atrios_archive.html#116318015463309008, this is interesting too: ________________________________________________________________________ *The Conservative Agenda * Apparently John Tester's a big hunk of conservatism, at least that's what I keep hearing. So, I bring you the conservative agenda: - Supporting renewable and alternative energy sources (biofuels, bitches!) - Raising automobile mileage - Pro-choice - Protecting public lands - Country of origin labels for food imports - Affordable health care - Enforcing immigration laws for immigrants and employers - gun rights - A plan to end the war in Iraq - Increasing the minimum wage - Repealing the Patriot Act - Changing Medicare D to allow price negotiation with drug companies - No to social security privatization - Pro stem cell research - Middle class tax relief A couple of these are identified more strongly with conservatism, and a couple of them are "conservative" or "liberal" depending on the details, but if these are our new conservative democratic overlords, fine by me... ________________________________________________________________________ : ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:38:02 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) At first I too thought it was Kilaureen but after a second look I though about a fusion of two pictures: Kilaureen and Joni or a photo retouch of some sort, integrating them both ... I like the idea anyway, specially for "Joni in Fiction". Evelyne. - ------------------- I thought it was Kilauren and that someone had put it there accidentally. Sh*t, I better do some updatin' if I want Les to pay me! - --Smurf - ----- Original Message ---- From: Lori Fye To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:47:28 PM Subject: Odd-looking Joni pic (imo, anyway) What an interesting picture being used for the "Joni in Fiction" link at www.jonimitchell.com! Kind of looks like Sandra Bullock in Joni makeup. When was that pic taken? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:52:45 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: returns njc - "pelosi disappeared" was just another rightwing lie bree- i'm writing a long response to your note, but here's a specific place where your rightwing press and radio spread a lie, which you just tried to spread further to the joni list. patrick np - nusrat fateh ali khan, shamen-shah *********** "Where's Nancy?" Trajectory of a GOP smear on Pelosi http://mediamatters.org/items/200611030011 Summary: A political attack that started with a posting on the website of Rep. John Boehner's political action committee -- promoting the claim that House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi has made no recent public appearances -- then moved to the Drudge Report website and ended up in reports on Fox News and MSNBC, with MSNBC chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell asking of Pelosi, "Where's she been the last week?" As noted by the weblog Think Progress on November 2, Internet gossip Matt Drudge, in an article that day on TheDrudgeReport.com, "float[ed] a conspiracy theory that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has gone into hiding" in the days leading up to the November 7 midterm election. Drudge appears to have taken his cue from House Republican leaders, which first promoted the claim that she has made no recent public appearances. But as Think Progress noted, Pelosi appeared on November 1 at a campaign rally in San Francisco with former President Bill Clinton and was also interviewed by CNN, which aired portions of the interview on that day. Nonetheless, this latest smear has spread to cable news and was reported as fact on Fox News and MSNBC, whose chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell asked of Pelosi, "Where's she been the last week?" NBC News producer and congressional correspondent Mike Viqueira responded by rejecting out of hand the suggestion that Pelosi has been absent. The claim that Pelosi was "[a]lmost entirely absent from the campaign trail" appears to have originated with The Freedom Project, House Majority Leader John Boehner's (R-OH) political action committee, which claims that its purpose is "to preserve and expand a Republican majority in the U.S. House of Representatives." An October 31 posting on The Freedom Project's website, titled "Where is Nancy Pelosi?" read: "Where is Democrat [sic] Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)? As CongressDaily reported yesterday, "House Minority Leader Pelosi's schedule for the week remained uncertain today with nothing confirmed." Almost entirely absent from the campaign trail, many are left wondering why ... While Pelosi is trying to run out the clock instead of engaging in the issues that matter to the American people, Republican candidates are focused on their individual races, fine-tuning their get-out-to-vote operation, and making their case about Republicans' efforts to keep taxes low, strengthen border security, and keep America safe. Drudge posted his item asking "Where's Nancy?" on November 2. On the November 3 edition of MSNBC News Live, O'Donnell raised the issue. Viqueira responded by noting that Pelosi "has been conducting some interviews, a fundraiser, she's still been flying around the country doing some fundraising events." He further noted, "There have been Republicans -- operatives have been sending out e-mails over the past week saying 'Where's Pelosi?' " From the November 3 edition of MSNBC News Live: O'DONNELL: What about Nancy Pelosi? We were just showing pictures. She would be the speaker -- likely be the speaker of the House if Democrats win control. Where's she been the last week? VIQUEIRA: Uh, she's been around. She had a big fundraiser with Bill Clinton in San Francisco. She's been conducting interviews with media. There had been Republicans -- operatives have been sending out emails over the last week saying, "Where's Pelosi? Where's Pelosi? Where's Pelosi?" She has been conducting some interviews, a fundraiser, she's been still flying around the country doing some fundraising events, but largely stuck to San Francisco. Her daughter is expected to deliver, incidentally, Nancy Pelosi's sixth grandchild just about -- right about now, and if that happens on Election Day, Nancy Pelosi's surely going to be nowhere to be found, Norah. O'DONNELL: Oh, I find that hard to believe, Mike. VIQUEIRA: No, that's what they're saying. She -- O'DONNELL: Really? VIQUEIRA: She will be AWOL on Election Day if Alexandra, her daughter, delivers Nancy Pelosi's -- what would be Nancy Pelosi's sixth grandchild. On the November 3 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Steve Doocy asked: "Have you noticed we really haven't seen much of Nancy Pelosi?" Responding to Doocy's false claim that "the last time people saw her was at an October 21st fundraiser" and comment that "the only place she's [Pelosi] really factoring in is she is starring in a whole bunch of GOP ads," co-host Gretchen Carlson took the attack a step further, baselessly suggesting that "the Democratic machinery has asked her, or demanded that she lay low in the days before the election." From the November 3 edition of Fox & Friends: DOOCY: But one other figure from the Democratic Party. Have you noticed we really haven't seen much of Nancy Pelosi? BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): Nowhere. DOOCY: A couple of -- what was it? About 10 days ago, she showed up in that blistering sound bite-fest on 60 Minutes, and she said a lot of stuff that rankled a lot of people. And she has been laying low, and the last time people saw her was at an October 21st fundraiser, and a few pictures were made there. But in the meantime, the only place she's really factoring in is she is starring in a whole bunch of GOP ads, and the message is: "Speaker Pelosi, is this the woman you want running the U.S. House of Representatives?" CARLSON: And that's probably why the Democratic machinery has asked her, or demanded that she lay low in the days before the election, because that's really the Republican spin: Do you want Pelosi in charge? *********** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:10:50 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni+Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame Nice to see Joni's stuff is up against "There's a Love Knot in My Lariat" and "Des Croissants de Soleil" (The Croissants of the Sun??) . and *when* will they stop referring to her as a "Folk Music Icon"??? Sigh. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:32:53 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: returns njc bree, the right-wing press that you read and listen to LIES to you. it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. but, i'm afraid that's what you want from your press. you didn't read 'hell to pay' because you wanted the truth about hillary, you read it because you wanted hate. i noticed you also read ann coulter. no one reads her except to hate. please don't pretend it's for any other reason. that's what pisses me off. some responses to your note- >do you listen to Air America? no >it was when Clinton first ran and the press was practically canonizing him...and looked as they wanted a coronation also. what in the hell are you talking about? clinton was attacked from the very first, worse than any president in our lifetimes. >I don't see Harold Ford's name listed below... that's because harold ford lost. >Casey from Pennsylvania...a democrat who is pro-life... imagine that. Remember his late father who was pro-life ..he was NOT allowed to even speak at the 94 Democratic convention? it's because he wouldn't commit to supporting clinton, not because he was pro-life. why would a convention want a speaker who wouldn't support the nominee? that was another lie spread by your rightwing outfits. >It was Pelosi's strategy to run conservative Democrats in most of those races where a Democrat gain was possible....while she sort of disappeared for a bit. i already pointed out that many races were won by unabashed liberals. pelosi had little to do with putting candidates forward. schumer and rahm emanuel pushed forward many moderates who lost, while many of the lefties who were not supported by centrist dems won anyway, like mcnerney and others. as for pelosi disappearing for a bit, that was rightwing lies. i'm sending you a separate note on that. bree, there's nothing wrong with being conservative, i suppose, but there is something terribly wrong with spreading lies. the talkradio/foxnews/drudge rightwing propaganda machine is something very new in the united states, and very dangerous. their worst crime is abetting bush and cheney in convincing the united states that the answer to 9/11 was to make war on iraq. bree, the war on terror was not in iraq. i repeat, the war on terror was not in iraq. again, the war on terror was not in iraq. what's wrong with the conservative media spreading lies is the country can't make good policy based on them. the voters are misinformed (like you) and then they support bad policies and candidates (like you). and you keep on admiring bush and blair for taking us into the wrong war. but even you don't know what winning looks like. that's scary. patrick np - silence ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #423 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------