From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #417 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 417 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Saturday night in San Diego [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Marcie [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Marcie, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Marcie... [Em ] Out of the closet ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: New releases, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Out of the closet [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] It's Saturday night, were in our fiiiiinery....... [Dave Blackburn ] (sjc) marcie [Benedicte Nielsen ] RE: Danilo's Debut [Danilo Monno ] JM.com has a brand new look! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JM.com has a brand new look! [] Re: Marcie [Catherine McKay ] Re: JM.com has a brand new look! [Deb Messling ] njc, not like we love our "freedom -- better quality" ["Patti Parlette" <] RE: JM.com has a brand new look! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JM.com has a brand new look! [] marcie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Marcie [Benedicte Nielsen ] Listened to it, though ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Re: JM.com has a brand new look! [Jerry Notaro ] marcie ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Re: It's Saturday night, we're in our fiiiiinery.......(LONG) [Bob.Muller] Re:It's Saturday night ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] re:Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio ["mia _" ] Re: Joni web sites NJC really [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Re: Saturday night in San Diego [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JM.com has a brand new look! ["Lori Fye" ] Re:It's Saturday night [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 04:20:13 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Saturday night in San Diego Nice preview article -- "A Jones for Joni" -- from Nov 2 San Diego Union-Tribune here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061102/news_lz1w02joni.html The "young teenage boy in the group" was 16-year-old Evan Stumpges on fretless bass. J kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: The show was outstanding. Dave, Robin and band took us through all phases of Joni from the folk to the jazz to Mingus and on through the 90s and Turbulent Indigo. An extremely talented group of musicians who just have it all. I can't recall all the names, but there was a young teenage boy in the group playing bass and looking and sounding a bit like Jaco -really charming. Amazing sax and drums and an incredible keyboard player, Barnaby Finch, who has toured with many of my favorites and is a friend of my friend blues guitarist Chuck Alvarez. Robin handled all Joni's lyric and vocal phases masterfully. I got literal chills from hearing her sing For The Roses and my faves were Chair in the Sky and Dry Cleaner from Des Moines. Dave - thank you for letting us know about the show and please keep up the good Joni work! Other great surprises were meeting up with self-described JMDL "lurker extraordinaire" Paul from NYC who is vacationing in Cal and lurker Sue from San Diego! And Sue is coming up for Joni's exhibit Friday! Bob and I had a wonderful time with Lindsay and Brian. We all went out for a couple or three martinis, whiskeys and beers after the show. Thank you so much, Lindsay, for inviting me down and Bob for visiting us, even though it was too short of a time. Next time make the stay longer! Kakki NP: Bobby Caldwell hosting on The Wave (sigh) - pretty end to a beautiful weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:52:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie Bob S. wrote: I think you are all right - there may be more than one view to this scene. Thinking more about this... obsessing as usual, the first red and green are sweet and sour. I think that pretty much sums up the song. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:56 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie, njc Smurf wrote: That along with the fact that you were born in Stephenville, Newfoundland, pretty much guarantees that YOU won't be the next president of the US, Laura. Hi Smurf, I just want to dust tables with men's shirts anyway. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 05:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Marcie... I see "Marcie" as being a sixties alienation type of song too. Not in a political sense, which I often associate with that era, but in a sense of interpersonal relationship kind of things. I guess things were getting alot more "swinger-ish" and that was kind of the Playboy generation. So maybe it was hard for old fashioned girls to keep their men. Maybe lots of guys just weren't "buying the cow". Other songs I see in this gray/heartbreaking mode would be lots of Paul Simon's mid-sixties stuff. All the "Graduate" era stuff. And earlier - the Weds Morning 3am stuff, plus Sounds of Silence. (thankfully with the occaisional "Feeling Groovy" thrown in) In fact that sort of low grade depression that Dustin Hoffman brought to that flick (the Graduate) kind of represents the feeling too. Also, some of Leonard Cohen's killer cuts, such as (for me) "Chelsea Hotel". Not sure if others of you relate to it that way or not. When I first used to listen to "Marcie" (and that whole album) it was when I'd just moved to Germany from living my whole life up til then in sunny Florida. I wasn't used to days and weeks at a time of gray drizzly weather, and so that sort of low-grade depression gripped me pretty tight. And it *was* pretty much weather related, I learned. Which really shouldn't have been the case in "The Graduate", right? Since that was LA based? hmmm... I guess I think back on the 60's as being fun and celebratory, but maybe it was a hard time for some people emotionally. Not to mention the war. But also, maybe all that social change and freedom left some folks out in the rain, emotionally. I know it was hard for my parents at times. Just some more thoughts for a Monday morning... oh and welcome, Ingrid! Em (sunny Florida) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:29:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Out of the closet >Bonjour everyone, > > >My name is Evelyne, I live in Montreal. I'm not a >musician but a "milomane" >that loves to sing (specially weird cords :-). My >mother tong is french so >please forgive my poor written english in advance... > Salut, Evelyne, et soyez la bienvienue au JMDL! Smypatico.ca? J'aime bien ca! Je m'appelle Patti, et je parle francais un peu (pas tres bien) et je parle Joni. Surtout, je parle Joni! I got her first album in 9th grade, and every one thereafter, so she is in my blood like, comment dit-on en francais, du vin sacre? In 4th grade ma tante gave me a gift of French lessons after school. I remember giggling when we learned how to say "doll" in French (la poupee....tee hee hee!). My family is not sure if I expressed an interest in learning French before the lessons first, or became enamoured of French during these lessons, although we suspect the former, because I was always going around imitating Hayley Mills British accent. N'importe quoi....I also love Montreal and Quebec and my first trip there was in the summer of 1974, just before I went to France for my junior year of college. I wanted to "practice". Oh, Canada! I'll never forget the pure joie et delight when I saw my first sign in French -- the first time I saw French used in "real life". The sign said: "Poulet frite a la Kentucky" and I made my boyfriend slam on the brakes so I could take a picture of it. Joie de vivre le francais! We camped out on the land with deux amis at Mont Tremblant (trying to get our souls free) and I was in my glory with all the French. Even going to the laundromat was fun. Then, just before we had to head back home, we saw a poster (or heard on the radio, je ne sais pas exactement) that MISS JONI MITCHELL would be performing at Place des Nations. SAY WHAT? I SAY "SLAM ON THOSE BRAKES AGAIN, BOYFRIEND!!!" STOP CHILDREN, WHAT'S THAT SOUND? JONI MITCHELL IS COMING TO TOWN? I DON'T CARE BABY, WE AIN'T GOIN' NOWHERE! We wired home for 50 bucks, but you shoulda seen it fly away in 3 days. Bought the tix, petrol, un repas....et puis, rien. Alors, we were out of money, but who cares? For 3 days we hung out in Montreal, homeless, living out of our car, pas d'argent, surviving on peanut butter and ketchup out of our trunk. More on that whole experience later (because I'm late for work), but if I had to pick just one word, it would be "magical." Did anyone here attend that show? I wrote to Simon about it....it wasn't even on the appearance page at one time, but he added it a few years ago, and then I recently saw he put up a date....August 4, 1974. (Phew. Now I know I wasn't dreaming after all!) And Evelyne.....back to you (down to you!), ne sois pas du tout timide about your English. It is excellent! I work in the Dept. of Modern and Classical Languages at a university, so I know how difficult it is to perfect another language. But we should always try! Oui, oui! J'avoue, if everyone learned other languagues and cultures, we would be on the road to world peace. We are on a lonely road and we are travelling, travelling..... Sociololgist of the heart....j'aime bien ca! Bises a tous, et bon lundi, Patti P., en retard encore une fois ce matin (J-RA) P.S. Harmonium! Veronique Sanson! I remember them well..... _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:39:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New releases, njc I got the Nellie (was leaning towards The Who as well but decided against it at the last minute). I liked "Pretty Little Head" instantly, like Deb says you don't have as much "wow" factor as on the debut because you know the voice and songwriting style and such. She does a fun power-pop duet with Cyndi Lauper and also one with kd lang. I'm still processing all the music but basically if you liked the first one, you're gonna dig this one too. Pet Peeve - once again, she takes what would fit on 1 disc and splits it over 2. Not really much of a problem for me, though - I've already reconfigured it all on 1 disc and sold the originals, for a tidy profit no less! Bob, catching up... NP: Badfinger, "Day After Day" (not a Joni cover) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Reflecting on all the problems she had experienced over the last decade and wondering how she went from having it all to experiencing loss and despair. Bob NP: Gomez, "Me, You & Everybody" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Tech glitches and memory glitches did occur despite our best efforts but will get ironed out as we go. Robin did a magnificent show and had a blast using every aspect of her vocal chops from extreme ranges to jazz scatting. Our young lions, Evan our 16 year old bassist, and Brittney, our 14 year old guest vocalist on Circle Game, received huge kudos and it is a delight for me as a guitar teacher to be able to turn on a new generation of musicians to Joni's music which they might otherwise never hear. We have one more show this year on Dec 3rd in SD. Check robinadler.com for info. Dave ------------------------------ Date: 06 Nov 2006 15:47:07 +0000 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Marcie Here are my thoughts on being seen windowshopping in the rain, on Sunday, and your lover has left, and you don't know why he is not coming back, so you don't want to believe what you know: that he is not coming back. It's about loss of context (I say!). In some Karen Blixen (hi there Nuri...) novel someone says that when you are about to leave a place, you begin to feel a certain lightness or weightlessness. When you are left by someone you are in love with, there is the same loss of context, the same bizarre way of connecting to people and objects (well, me again, I dont know about the rest of you!). Laura and Jamie talk about walking in the rain as a pleasurable thing, I think because there is a feeling of freedom and being wild. When you are in love, and / or being left by the one you love, there is that disconnected feeling that will make you walk in the rain or otherwise not care about circumstances and people's opinions, because you are in a different kind of sensibility. If at all you connect to things they are either painful or comforting. This is a different kind of comfort in melancholy, it's freedom in melancholy. Being seen windowshopping to me sounds like - assuming this is autobiographical - she knows that her behaviour is strange, and that she is in a different reality. So people she knows may have spotted her but it didn't matter to her, because she didn't feel their presence and did not care about it either. Windowshopping.. well there is the looking at things thorugh a glass, and connecting to life on a dreamy level. And there is looking at objects, questioning their relevance, because life seems irrelevant. There is being still stuck in a state where you think of buying this for him or that for you and he will like it, or something for the flat. There is wondering how to begin to build up your own life... would a coffee-maker help? All of this in a dialogue with objects behind the window of a closed shop, man, things make a lot of sense when nothing makes sense....! That's what I think. And if it wasn't for Sherelle's kind comment recently I would have kept it all to myself! Benedicte NP Job's sad song on TI. It's growing on me, the male chorus on the Tlog version always put me of it. The TI arrangement has so much more in it, more anger. Thanks for reopening the discussion Evelyne! ------------------------------ Date: 06 Nov 2006 15:50:09 +0000 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: (sjc) marcie Was just wondering if anyone else had 10cc NP in their head: Like walking in the rain and the snow when there's nowhere to go When you're feeling like a part of you is dying..... ? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:59:14 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: Danilo's Debut Well, Mark, you already know how much I'm grateful to you for what you've done.I've always known that Joni fans are all special people!As you said, I would love to know what everybody in the list think about my covers. Any kind of comment is welcome!If you dig it or not, please let me know.And, if Joni could listen to my covers, well, that would be my dream...Kisses to everyoneDanilo> From: mark-leon@iinet.net.au> Subject: Danilo's Debut> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:18:24 +1100> To: joni@smoe.org> > Hello to all my Joni-buds.> > Firstly, thank you to Bob for another fine effort. I so look forward to > your covers packages. It seems that it's the only way I get to hear > about any Aussie folk acts.> > Not meaning to steal your thunder, I have my own gift to you all. After > several months in the making, I have finally packaged up our own > Danilo's fine efforts via youtube. He has had some very favourable > comments on his videos and a growing number of fans. Word is getting > out about this guy's talents.> > Danilo has covered a huge chunk of Joni's back catalogue now and I have > been extracting the audio. It has now grown into a double CD and I have > designed a CD cover for it. I only wish I had the means to get it > released on the open market. In the meantime, Danilo has given me > permission to make it available for the JMDL.> > The album is titled, "Danilo - For Free; The Songs of Joni Mitchell".> > You can download part one along with the CD cover here: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/25nDOuwAQa8%3D> > You can download part two here: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/25lMtd9nkY8%3D> > I would love to read your feedback about this recording. I'm sure > Danilo would too.> > The standout tracks for me are; No Apologies, Woodstock (MOA > arrangement), Electricity, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, For The Roses, > Cherokee Louise, The Boho Dance and his beautiful slow arrangement of > Black Crow.> > Enjoy.> > Mark in Sydney> > NP Black Crow - Danilo _________________________________________________________________ Chiama i tuoi amici GRATUITAMENTE con la funzionalit` di chiamata da PC a PC http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:00:18 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: JM.com has a brand new look! For those of you who wanted a more colorful, warmer site - personally I dug it the way it wuz... http://www.jonimitchell.com/ - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I have to say I liked it the way it "wuz" too as we could see in the one page what was in there ... but hey, maybe it's just me being reluctant to change? - -------------- For those of you who wanted a more colorful, warmer site - personally I dug it the way it wuz... http://www.jonimitchell.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Marcie - --- Benedicte Nielsen wrote: > Here are my thoughts on being seen windowshopping in > the rain, on Sunday, > and your lover has left, and you don't know why he > is not coming back, so > you don't want to believe what you know: that he is > not coming back. > > It's about loss of context (I say!). In some Karen > Blixen (hi there > Nuri...) novel someone says that when you are about > to leave a place, you > begin to feel a certain lightness or weightlessness. > When you are left by > someone you are in love with, there is the same loss > of context, the same > bizarre way of connecting to people and objects > (well, me again, I dont > know about the rest of you!). What a great post! I think you are so right. When you leave a place or someone, or they leave you, it is true that you feel light. You have lost an anchor. Sometimes it's a good feeling, sometimes a terrible feeling, often it is both. Sometimes you feel a bit guilty too that you don't feel completely bad about it. Sometimes you're just glad the sunuvabitch is out of your life. The anchor weighs you down but it also establishes your place. Reading your post reminded me of the lyrics of a Jane Siberry song, called "You don't need..." (and when I went to do a search on the lyrics, I discovered that Jane has changed her name to "Issa".) I think it is the hardest when I see you look at her in a way I thought was only meant for me --- inspired by me and my heart is black and heavy it is slags of Merthyr Tydfil and it heaves once and then it sighs once and then there's nothing more you don't need anybody you don't need any comfort you don't need any lovers you can get it from yourself you don't need anyone to want you don't want anyone to need you and I think I have yourself almost convinced I have yourself almost convinced so I walk on through the marshes and my cheeks are burning white and my hood is your rejection and my pain is your connection and a bird I don't recall called don't recall called don't recall and I know you must be there because people stop to talk to you you don't need... and the wind howls cross the ice floes and the frozen furrows quicken as I stumble to the tundra and the tundra is my lover and I lie here and I wait here and I raise one arm unto the sky and if I raise it high enough and hold it long enough will the snow pull me back through? and it's Beddgelert and frozen dirt the snow a soothing, smoothing, soothing hand you don't need.... so I ate a star from the far back, black sky and it floated up behind one eye and wavered there... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:31:56 -0500 (EST) From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: JM.com has a brand new look! It's not just a new look; it appears that jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com have gone their separate ways again. There's a separate discussion forum on jonimitchell.com, and the library of articles is only available on jmdl.com. Yet some of the jmdlers are listed on the "meet the staff" section of jonimitchell.com. It's all kind of odd. Don't like the new color scheme, personally. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:38:08 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, not like we love our "freedom -- better quality" Cher(e) Joniami(e)s: I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I know politics is kind of verboten and not well-received by many, but tomorrow is election day in the U.S., for heaven's and astronauts's sake, and I can't hold back anymore! (Apparently Joni can't either. Or Neil Young, or Willie Nelson, and you know....) Bree and Kakki, dears, maybe you should not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2OXQh3duI&NR I don't think many of you will like the music -- but the words fit, you have to admit. Sending up my prayer for change, Patti P. P.S. Ignoring Bonnie and Sippie's advice "Woman be wise, keep your mouth shut, don't advertise your man" -- I just *have* to mention that my man appears towards the end of this clip. Go Ned! (although we're down by 12 in the latest poll....) P.S.S. Arlo was GREAT and pumped me up even more. He says hi, Paz! So many family members playing together was heartwarming, not to mention all the laughs. Lots of laughs! Good for the soul. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:53:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: JM.com has a brand new look! Whoa...I certainly didn't mean to insinuate that I didn't like the new look; on the contrary, I love it. But I liked it before too. Les' web skills are second to none imo. There were lots of negative comments on the website about the appearance of the site - I'd be surprised if Les enables that same tool on the new site as there will always be folks who find something to gripe about. I don't think it's ALL up there yet, I got a couple of error links, it looks like the debut is scheduled to align with Joni's big B-day. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:09:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: marcie Yes, it is a core part of her sadness which joni has acknowledged so I think its okay to write about... a couple of weeks ago I was musing on my new take on Marcie which was that it was autobiographical or at least emotionally so, about being pregnant & alone & waiting & terribly sad >I wonder why, with all the musings around Joni's sadness and desolateness, people don't figure the fact-or of her daughter so much more into the question. Are people just ignoring the obviouss for trying to be considerate and tactful - qualities I also pursue, which I suppose I might be failing now? Love Ingrid< ------------------------------ Date: 06 Nov 2006 18:32:35 +0000 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Marcie On Nov 6 2006, Catherine McKay wrote: >What a great post! I think you are so right. When you >leave a place or someone, or they leave you, it is >true that you feel light. You have lost an anchor. >Sometimes it's a good feeling, sometimes a terrible >feeling, often it is both. Sometimes you feel a bit >guilty too that you don't feel completely bad about >it. Sometimes you're just glad the sunuvabitch is out >of your life. The anchor weighs you down but it also >establishes your place. > >Reading your post reminded me of the lyrics of a Jane >Siberry song, called "You don't need..." (and when I >went to do a search on the lyrics, I discovered that >Jane has changed her name to "Issa".) > > >I think it is the hardest >when I see you look at her >in a way I thought was only >meant for me --- inspired by me >and my heart is black and heavy >it is slags of Merthyr Tydfil >and it heaves once >and then it sighs once >and then there's nothing more > >you don't need anybody >you don't need any comfort >you don't need any lovers >you can get it from yourself >you don't need anyone to want you >don't want anyone to need you >and I think I have yourself >almost convinced >I have yourself almost convinced > >so I walk on through the marshes >and my cheeks are burning white >and my hood is your rejection >and my pain is your connection >and a bird I don't recall >called don't recall >called don't recall >and I know you must be there >because people stop to talk to you > >you don't need... > >and the wind howls cross the ice floes >and the frozen furrows quicken >as I stumble to the tundra >and the tundra is my lover >and I lie here >and I wait here >and I raise one arm unto the sky >and if I raise it high enough >and hold it long enough >will the snow pull me back through? > >and it's Beddgelert and frozen dirt >the snow a soothing, smoothing, soothing hand > >you don't need.... > >so I ate a star from the far back, black sky >and it floated up behind one eye and wavered there... > > > Catherine Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow thanks a lot for this, I never heard of the singer before; and I rarely get carried away by lyrics without the music, but this one is so interesting, I am not sure I want to listen to the music in case it's not amazing --- or in case it's too amazing, I don't know which...! I don't understand it all, but then I never understood all Joni songs either -- as my English was not good enough when I started listening! Thanks again, here is someone to explore....! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:35:24 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: Listened to it, though There's that song (Sorry seems to be the hardest word) playing on the radio (in Cape Town)here now...and it's as if one wants to say, Catherine, that it's a sad sad situation...And it's getting more and more absurd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:42:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JM.com has a brand new look! All sites struggle with this issue. People want things to bright and attractive, but that doesn't make it necessarily more functional. My university is always changing the sites to make them more attractive and it drive we librarians crazy. What makes a site functional is easy to read and navigate, which is what I liked about the previous look, though I do understand. But I always remind people to look what made Google the number one sight in the world! Most people will always choose dessert over vegetables, but it doesn't mean it is better for them. Jerry > Whoa...I certainly didn't mean to insinuate that I didn't like the new > look; on the contrary, I love it. But I liked it before too. Les' web > skills are second to none imo. > There were lots of negative comments on the website about the appearance > of the site - I'd be surprised if Les enables that same tool on the new > site as there will always be folks who find something to gripe about. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:21:15 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: marcie ...burning to throw in my pound of flesh regarding "Marcie"...but can only once I've read the lyrics on the new site, which i'm sure I would approve of...if there is more colour. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:38:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: It's Saturday night, we're in our fiiiiinery.......(LONG) Hi Dave, thanks again to you, Robin & the gang for a GREAT show Saturday night. For the benefit of the 99% of you who couldn't make it, let me provide a little (OK, a lot) of detail.... (An introductory note - in the interest of NJC and all that, this post will deal only with the show, and I'll follow it with the NJC stuff). (2nd note - Dave, if I make any mistakes in this, please say so - amazing how hazy things become after two days...) Lindsay, her husband Brian, Kakki & myself arrived at Dizzy's and the small place was already filling up fast. Luckily, since it was a small venue, there weren't any bad seats and what the place lacked in decor (bare cinder block walls and such) it made up for in acoustics. I got a chance to meet Dave & Robin before the show, and I do have to say that it was cool to walk in and say that I was on Dave's "VIP list". The venue was about the same size as the place that Kay Ashley used to put on the NYC tribute earlier this year - as Dave said, it was definitely packed and SRO which is always exciting for the performers. I'm sure they could move this show into a concert hall many times this size and be succesful with it. The show started with Dave & Robin as a duo; Both Sides Now appropriately kicking things off - I mean, you HAVE to do the franchise at some point, plus as Dave announced in his introductory remarks, their intent for this show was to present Joni's music chronologically to show the arc of her body of work and her growth as a composer. I have to give MAJOR kudos to Robin upfront, not only for the melodic mastering of these songs but for the memorization of all of them; there were NO lyric or cheat sheets anywhere to be seen (Heck, as many times as I've heard BSN I still mess up the words when I sing it in the car). I will also note upfront that another interesting part of the show was the backdrop, a series of photos of Joni and her paintings that changed as the show progressed. This made for a nice visual accompaniment, also adding to the visual (and not planned in any way by Dave I'm sure) was the welding that was going on at the top of the building across the street, throwing a constant shower of orange sparks down all evening - quite like a constant fireworks display. The duo continued with four songs from Blue (Little Green, Carey, California, and A Case Of You) and the title track from For The Roses. Dave's acoustic playing was clean and precise, and Robin's voice easily navigated them (and California has got some tricky vocal parts to be sure). Dave provided some biographical information between songs that added to the evening as well. And the pressure was certainly on him, what with at least three Joni experts all in a row, to get all his facts right. I brought my BS detector but it never went off, so good job Dave! Dave & Robin were then joined by Barnaby Finch on keyboards (piano and electric piano) and Paul Carman on a variety of saxes. These two gentlemen have very impressive resumes and talent to match - to say they are virtuosos is not an exaggeration; then again the level of talent across the board Saturday was amazing and if there were any miscues musically, these ears certainly didn't catch them (a couple of between-song feedback issues notwithstanding). Now a quartet, they performed "Down To You" in its full symphonic splendor, Barnaby actually waving the charts in the air to show just how complex this piece of music is, and the interplay of Barnaby and Paul was breathtaking and very emotionally stirring. Robin & Dave continued to be spot on and this number was an early highlight for me (a bit prejudiced though since DTY is probably my 2nd-fave Joni song). Roger Friend then joined in on drums and percussion as did the aforementioned 16-year old (!!) Evan Stumpges on fretless bass, not intimidated in the least by the company he was in. With the addition of the rhythm section, they forged ahead with "Help Me" and although Robin dropped a couple of words (out of the approximately 5 million she had to learn!) she didn't miss a step and it sounded great. I especially got a kick out of watching Roger Friend; obviously into the music and seemingly playing the part of an octopus, busily keeping up with the drum kit while simultaneously throwing in shakers, chimes, and other percussive colors into the mix. The MOA version of Woodstock was also a real crowd-pleaser, allowing everyone to stretch out and solo and really crank it out and rock it up a bit - lots of energy on this one to be sure. HOSL was up next, and Harry's House/Centerpiece turned into a chance for the musicians to really stretch out, almost all of them doing extensive jazz soloing on the "Centerpiece" section. I also particularly enjoyed Robin's throwing in the "when ya gonna be home Harry?", "Get down from there" and other comments in at the end - it made the sound that much more authentic. Closing out the first set were two from Hejira, the title track and "Coyote", both highlighted by Evan's Jaco-like (he even had the bandana headband) basswork which was superb as well as Paul's "Benny Goodman" coming through the snow & the pinewood trees. The band then took a well-deserved break and we got ready for the second set. Again, moving chronologically through Joni's career, Dave commented that Joni's had come a long way from folksongs, and Robin added that we were a long, long way from Canada, and the band launched into Dreamland, everyone banging on or shaking something, and it was hard to stay in my seat. Dave introduced the Mingus project, and Robin bravely began what was a phenomenal one-two punch: A Chair In The Sky segueing to Dry Cleaner From Des Moines...what a vocal powerhouse, and with all the added solos by the various band members, this section was truly unforgettable. Even Robin had to pat herself on the back for flawlessly navigating the challenging blue notes and intervals of Chair In The Sky - praise that was well-deserved as it really put her and the band through the paces. Moving out of the jazz era, Dave introduced the 80's era - I was hoping for a bit more than I got, but at least they dipped their toe in the water that most artists fear to tread in and came up with a fine and updated arrangement of Dog Eat Dog, again not the easiest of melodies to sing particularly with the speed/diction combo you need to have to sing it. From Night Ride Home we got the title track and Passion Play, again with some very nice extended soloing. Borderline followed, and it was great to hear that seldom-performed song - again, kudos to Robin for flawlessly having the lyrics embedded in her soul. And I'm not a guitarist but watching Dave play it, it sure looks like this is not an easy song to play. And speaking of Dave, I also have to add (a bit late in the review but better late than never) that he also sang backing vocals on a number of songs and the harmony between him & Robin was awesome, sounded at times just like Joni's multi-tracked harmonies. And that brought the show to a close, except for it was pretty obvious that the SRO crowd was not going to let them get away without a couple more - everyone was on their feet. They introduced Brittney Dorr (not sure of the last name but I will be when she becomes a household word) to join Robin in The Circle Game, and it was touching to have essentially two generations trading off the vocal lines. Brittney is only 14, and is WAY too cute and WAY too talented to be only 14. They closed things down with Big Yellow Taxi, and once again the crowd leapt to their collective feet and clapped and cheered and whoo-hoo'ed for all the hard work that these artists had shared. Was it worth the 2,281 miles I traveled to hear it? Oh hell yeah! And if you're in the area and couldn't catch it, make your reservations now for December 3rd. Thanks to Dave, Robin and all the band and crew that made this night possible. The hours and hours of hard work are appreciated and I hope you'll be able to make the concert available so that those who aren't as 'conveniently close' as I am can also get a taste of your talents and your obvious love of Joni. Bob NP: Wilson Pickett, "Remember I Been Good To You" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:01:48 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: re:Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio Smurf wrote: <> That's interesting; however, I always thought the "two bald-headed days" (that followed Joni's B-day) were the 8 and 9 - you know, like numbers with bald heads. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Joni web sites NJC really funny, when I go to jmdl.com I get a page full of purple question marks and one line that says "whats going on here?" And when I go to jonimitchell.com it says under construction... hmmm EM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:32:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni web sites NJC really Are you typing the address in, or using old bookmarks? Jerry > funny, when I go to jmdl.com I get a page full of purple question marks > and one line that says "whats going on here?" And when I go to > jonimitchell.com it says under construction... > hmmm > EM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:35:19 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Saturday night in San Diego http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061102/news_lz1w02joni.html Hey - I resemble that remark! I had an outstanding time on the west coast - the time passed by too quickly and I was touching down in Greenville too soon, wishing I hadn't got on that flight tonight... I have to say a BIG BIG thanks to Lindsay Moon and especially her husband Brian for allowing his wife to invite a strange internet guy into their home for the weekend. Their kindness and generosity to me was overwhelming; indeed I would not have made the trip to SD if Hotels, Rental Cars, and navigation had been involved - so thanks Lindsay for enabling me to have such a great time, fabulous food and a memory that will last a lifetime. San Diego is a gorgeous city, I had not been there before and the weather and scenery were simply beautiful. Lindsay is a proud Joni fan with Joni memorabilia all over the house (including a one-of-a-kind hilarious foamboard door hanger made by her darling son (who gave up his bed for me) that says "Don't Bother Me - I'm listening to Joni Mitchell") Lindsay, you might want to consider mass-marketing of that one. Kakki - it was great to see you again, and to experience the concert and clink our glasses together after too long a hiatus. Like I said when we left, it was as if I had just seen you last week which is always the sign of a true friend. I really enjoyed all the hangout time and swapping old and new JMDL stories - I'll be working the calendar to get back your way in '07. Thanks too to my NYC-buddy Paul, it was great to see you at Dizzy's BUT in so doing you stripped me of the right to say that I came the farthest to see Dave & Robin - dammit. But hey...YOU weren't on the VIP list so neener neener neener to you! Sue, it was great to see you again, you guys should have hung out with us at the bar - I would have let you buy me a drink and what a thrill that would have been for you! LOL As I've said before, the real effect of 9/11 on me is that I feel strongly driven to not put things off but rather to take the plunge and do the things I feel compelled to do and am able to do. This trip fit into that category - Dave & Lindsay, thanks for pushing me off the fence and for the accomodations. I only hope I'm able to return the favor someday. Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Waiting For The Worms" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:47:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re:It's Saturday night Hope always reigns supreme Ingrid, but this time around she didn't make it. I imagine seeing Joni on the front row might be a bit daunting for the performers, don't you think so Dave? Bob NP: (Now Playing) The Impressions, "Baby Turn On To Me" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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