From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 27 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 403 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni currency, [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave [] Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels [Deb Messling ] bonnie alert -- njc [Smurf ] Joni Images [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: bonnie alert -- njc [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels [Jerry Notaro ] Re: bonnie alert -- njc [Jerry Notaro ] Reading the news and it sure looks bad [Jerry Notaro ] constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc [Smurf ] Re: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc [Catherine Mc] Re: Marcie [Susan Guzzi ] RE: njc, Barack Obama & Lieberman ["Bree Mcdonough" ] njc, Obama endorses Lamont ["Patti Parlette" ] Great big eeego [Benedicte Nielsen ] NJC at all, Nick Cave and Blixavision [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: njc, Obama endorses Lamont [Smurf ] RE: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc ["Richard Fly] Re: NJC at all, Nick Cave and Blixavision ["ron" ] njc, Bob's bon bone weekend ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: njc, Obama endorses Lamont ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC a little shameless promotion for my friends coming down to nyc [] my son the Joni jokester ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: joni currency, [Catherine McKay ] sherelle smith njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: I've been absent (NJC) [Victor Johnson ] RE: njc, Barack Obama & Lieberman ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: joni currency, >"Proud Headed Queen Lizzie" in Electricity is a reference to a coin.< Do Canadian coins have Queen Elizabeth's head on them like they do in Australia? Mark in Sydney NP The Shining (Capitol K Mix) - Badly Drawn Boy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:03:07 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave Azeem in London wrote, >>Nick Cave's most recent releases were two albums that appeared simultaneously, Abattoir Blues and The Lyre Of Orpheus. They're both magnificent: the songs are tuneful and satisfyingly chunky, the lyrics are fantastically well-written (he even gets away with rhyming "hysteria" and "wisteria"!), and the band have never sounded more confident. ... ..If you want some comic - and exceedingly macabre - relief, check out Murder Ballads, which does exactly what it says on the tin. Its body count (and language) would probably rival the most out-there gangsta rap, and the x-rated version of Staggerlee is laugh-out-loud funny.<< I'm a big Nick Cave fan and agree entirely with Azeem's opinions above. I would also mention two or three tracks from 'The Lyre of Orpheus' which could also become modern classics, and if they don't, they're still/already classics for me. The tracks are 'Easy Money', 'Carry Me' and 'Oh Children', all three magnificent. And as for 'comic relief', I remember that Azeem once mentioned 'The Curse of Millhaven' , from 'Murder Ballads', as one of his favourites. Also great, as is my favourite from that album. O'Malley's Bar. This album, and Johnny Cash's 'Murder, formed the basis of my paper on 'Men killing Women in song' (thanks again for all suggestions from the listas at that time). mike in barcelona np John Cale - Heartbreak Hotel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:24:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels OK, so she was wearing a pink dress for this concert. Can I assume that this is what people refer to as "the pink dress concert?" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: bonnie alert -- njc Now that I am a city dweller and no longer own an auto, I never get to hear A Prairie Home Companion as I drive around -- but I think I will make the effort tomorrow since I will have a car while I doggiesit two of my favorite little guys. I got the following announcement from APHC this morning: << October 21, 2006 This week on A Prairie Home Companion, we're carving blue-ribbon pumpkins and drinking hot spiced cider at the Fitzgerald Theater, with very special guests, the Queen of the blues renaissance Bonnie Raitt, and firecrackers of the Canadian prairie The Wailin' Jennys. >> Check your local listing! - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:29:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni Images hey check these out...circa 1991, post Sting party....Joni and Bruce Springsteen..... some of John Kelly as well _http://www.filmmagic.com/SearchResult.aspx?str=joni+mitchell&sfld=C_ (http://www.filmmagic.com/SearchResult.aspx?str=joni+mitchell&sfld=C) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:39:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: bonnie alert -- njc Did you see the new Altman "Prairie Home Companion" movie? There was a time when i really liked this man's work, we'll see this one too for sure, but i heard that if you're not familiar with the radio show you may have little interest in the film. Is this true? What do you think? Nuri Smurf wrote: Now that I am a city dweller and no longer own an auto, I never get to hear A Prairie Home Companion as I drive around -- but I think I will make the effort tomorrow since I will have a car while I doggiesit two of my favorite little guys. I got the following announcement from APHC this morning: << October 21, 2006 This week on A Prairie Home Companion, we're carving blue-ribbon pumpkins and drinking hot spiced cider at the Fitzgerald Theater, with very special guests, the Queen of the blues renaissance Bonnie Raitt, and firecrackers of the Canadian prairie The Wailin' Jennys. >> Check your local listing! - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:45:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels Yes. Jerry > OK, so she was wearing a pink dress for this concert. Can I assume that > this is what people refer to as "the pink dress concert?" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:16:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: bonnie alert -- njc Saw it in NYC with lister Sharon Goldberg. I especially enjoyed Woody Harrelson, Meryl Streep, and Lily Tomlin. I thought the story was lame and Lindsay Lohan was horrid. Jerry > Did you see the new Altman "Prairie Home Companion" movie? There was a time > when i really liked this man's work, we'll see this one too for sure, but i > heard that if you're not familiar with the radio show you may have little > interest in the film. Is this true? What do you think? > > Nuri > > Smurf wrote: > Now that I am a city dweller and no longer own an > auto, I never get to hear A Prairie Home Companion as > I drive around -- but I think I will make the effort > tomorrow since I will have a car while I doggiesit two > of my favorite little guys. > > I got the following announcement from APHC this > morning: > > << October 21, 2006 > This week on A Prairie Home Companion, we're carving > blue-ribbon pumpkins and drinking hot spiced cider at > the Fitzgerald Theater, with very special guests, the > Queen of the blues renaissance Bonnie Raitt, and > firecrackers of the Canadian prairie The Wailin' > Jennys. >> > > Check your local listing! > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:25:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Reading the news and it sure looks bad The Times They Are a Changin9 opened last night. Review from The Wall Street Journal is typical. Stuck Inside the Theater With the Broadway Blues Again By TERRY TEACHOUT October 27, 2006; Page W9 New York The buzz on "The Times They Are A-Changin'," the new Twyla Tharp-Bob Dylan jukebox musical, was devastatingly negative. Such omens of impending doom are usually right, but I hoped for the best anyway. Mr. Dylan is one of the greatest songwriters of the postwar era and Ms. Tharp one of its most admired choreographers, so how bad could it be? Now I know: "The Times They Are A-Changin'" is so bad that it makes you forget how good the songs are. If you liked Ms. Tharp's 2002 Broadway hit, "Movin' Out," let me start by warning you that "The Times They Are A-Changin'" is nothing like its predecessor, in which Billy Joel's music was used as the soundtrack for a dance-driven show with a vestigial but nonetheless intelligible plot. This time Ms. Tharp, who is credited with the "conception" of "The Times They Are A-Changin'," has come up with a nonplot so hopelessly addled that you'll have to read her I-am-a-genius program note to know what's supposed to be going on: "A tale of fathers and sons, of men and women, of leaders and followers, of immobility and change, 'The Times They Are A-Changin' uses prophecy, parable, metaphor, accusation and confession -- like the Dylan songs which comprise it -- to confront us with images and ideas of who we are and who it is possible to be." None of this is evident from the show itself, a maundering fable about a broken-down circus in which such Dylan classics as "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" are performed by a trio of musical-comedy types accompanied by a Holiday Inn-style lounge band. The focus is on the singers, not the dancers, which makes next to no sense. Not only is the prettified singing all wrong, but there's nothing obviously theatrical about Mr. Dylan's poetic monologues, which Ms. Tharp has turned into a string of literal-minded vignettes in which the lyrics are visualized with the utmost triteness ("Masters of War," for instance, becomes a pantomime show about a whip-cracking ringmaster). I've long had mixed feelings about Ms. Tharp's jumpy, unfocused choreography, but mine is a minority view, and in any case it had never before occurred to me to question her underlying artistic seriousness. If you went to see this show knowing nothing about her you'd go home assuming that she was a pretentious buffoon. Don't blame Mr. Dylan, who had nothing to do with "The Times They Are A-Changin'" beyond taking the producers' money. I hope he got it all up front. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:01:10 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: now overcoming, njc OR play it the way Bush et al does: "We're going to fake it after all." sing it (couldn't help myself) >So, let's switch 'em, trade 'em, whatever, and stand on a noisy >streetcorner, waiting for the walking green, and throw them up in the air, >Mary Tyler Moore style and sing: "We're going to make it after all!" >Love, >Patti P _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc Anyone have any idea why Diana Krall pronounces 'darkness' so oddly in the TNT Tribute? Is 'dorkness' a Canadian pronounciation of the word, or is that some kind of sly nod to Larry Klein and/or Elvis Costello? - --Smurf, seeking answers to life's big questions today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:45:33 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc That pronunciation reminds me of what I heard from a couple of people living in the midwest (Louisville & St. Louis, to be exact). To them, the St. Louis baseball team would almost be the "Cords." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: bonnie alert -- now Robert Altman njc Hi Jerry -- I guess I am one of those people who just adore each Altman movie that *ever* comes out in the cineplexes (yeah including "Pret-a-Porter" and even the almost pointless "The Company") so "A Prairie Home Companion" for me is a nice cinematic feast. The actors who all play supporting parts are not only the reason for me, but some of the things you have learned to like in an Altman movie through the years always manage to sneak their way into all of his movies: overlapping dialogue, good performances and the subtle but precise Mike Leigh-like dissection of social classes. In a parallel universe, "Gosford Park" should have won the big awards the year it came out but then I can't even remember which movie won that year? That said, I like APHC and surprisingly even liked Lindsay Lohan and it was a great surprise to see Maya Rudolph (Minnie Riperton's daughter) again on screen. Although I could do without Kevin Kline's character, I thought he is a great presence in the film anyway. Loved John C. Reilly and Lily Tomlin and Streep, but the best of them proved to be Garrison Keillor himself. He comes so natural onscreen just as he comes exactly like that on radio. You don't get a sense that he tries so hard to make an impression. Have not heard of GK nor of this program before I came to the US but about 2 years ago a friend hooked me up to listen to this quaint little radio show and there is an almost hypnotic quality to the way the show is run and peopled by quirky characters (just like a Herzog movie). And it was great to see them onscreen for the first time, at least for me. But I am not rushing to buy the soundtrack, but if it turns up in used record stores I will snatch it. Altman is one of the two directors who I think might just be successful in inveigling Joni to appear onscreen. Would like to see Joni play a bitchy store owner with none of Debbie Harry's aura. Saw "Borat" last night at the Carolina Union and one character reminded me of Debbie Harry. But have you seen "The Science of Sleep" yet? Let's discuss. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Les Primitifs du Futur feat. Daniel Huck "Fox Musette" Jerry Notaro a icrit : Saw it in NYC with lister Sharon Goldberg. I especially enjoyed Woody Harrelson, Meryl Streep, and Lily Tomlin. I thought the story was lame and Lindsay Lohan was horrid. Jerry > Did you see the new Altman "Prairie Home Companion" movie? There was a time > when i really liked this man's work, we'll see this one too for sure, but i > heard that if you're not familiar with the radio show you may have little > interest in the film. Is this true? What do you think? > > Nuri > > Smurf wrote: > Now that I am a city dweller and no longer own an > auto, I never get to hear A Prairie Home Companion as > I drive around -- but I think I will make the effort > tomorrow since I will have a car while I doggiesit two > of my favorite little guys. > > I got the following announcement from APHC this > morning: > > << October 21, 2006 > This week on A Prairie Home Companion, we're carving > blue-ribbon pumpkins and drinking hot spiced cider at > the Fitzgerald Theater, with very special guests, the > Queen of the blues renaissance Bonnie Raitt, and > firecrackers of the Canadian prairie The Wailin' > Jennys. >> > > Check your local listing! > > --Smurf > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave I downloaded "Lyre" last night and gave it a perfunctory listen, while sitting on my deck with my mate. A bird shit on her leg while we were there. I'm afraid I'm going to have to listen to it wasted in order for it to penetrate. (this is a worry for me lately) As-is, it slid right off my brain and even annoyed me a bit. I need to give a better listen. I'm not a good listener these days. But I will give it another whirl, especially now that you, Mike, have also chimed in. em Mike in Barcelona wrote: I'm a big Nick Cave fan and agree entirely with Azeem's opinions above. I would also mention two or three tracks from 'The Lyre of Orpheus' which could also become modern classics, and if they don't, they're still/already classics for me. The tracks are 'Easy Money', 'Carry Me' and 'Oh Children', all three magnificent. And as for 'comic relief', I remember that Azeem once mentioned 'The Curse of Millhaven' , from 'Murder Ballads', as one of his favourites. Also great, as is my favourite from that album. O'Malley's Bar. This album, and Johnny Cash's 'Murder, formed the basis of my paper on 'Men killing Women in song' (thanks again for all suggestions from the listas at that time). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:38:53 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Nixonian Lieberman Richard M. Nixon is a guy I would definitely want to read more about. I know he is much maligned. He..under his watch ..ended the Vietnam war ...opened up China....started the EPA. Downfall.....covered up Watergate. Watergate? Do most people know REALLY what that was all about? I thought I knew the facts until just very recently. Interesting stuff...for anyone having the time to do a little research. >WARNING: HEAVY POLITICAL CONTENT > >(I'm sorry, non-American listers and all who who hate politics. Only 12 >more days of this.) > > >"Tin soldiers and Nixon coming...." > >He's baaaack! > >Yikes! > >This is creepy: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df1KuS_ziRg > _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:07:44 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: currency And she lit a candle for my love luck And 18 bucks went up in smoke - - Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > Anyone have any idea why Diana Krall pronounces > 'darkness' so oddly in the TNT > Tribute? Is 'dorkness' a Canadian pronounciation of > the word, No. or is that some > kind of sly nod to Larry Klein and/or Elvis > Costello? > That could be, or maybe it's just a Krallism. Or maybe she was going to say one thing and realized at the last minute, that was the wrong word? Like, maybe she was doing to say, "constantly in the door" (like that makes sense but if I get my kids' names mixed up and sometimes can't even remember my own name, then I suppose that's possible.) Now I'm going to have to see if I can find my CDR of that and give it another listen. Luv Cotherine in Torino. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Marcie Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was the one left behind in his urge for going - and you know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring him back to her? The end is for us to finish depending on our mood or our life or the season .... Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Barack Obama & Lieberman Just curious..Patti..was there a time that you liked Lieberman? As far as Lamont goes..didn't he pump some eight million of his OWN money in there? Connecticut is ranked..28th in population and 48th in size...I would think with those figures and all that money going to spread his message..his name ...people in your state should know him by now. (I realize that article was written in August) IS it that you dislike Lieberman so much..you have to settle for Lamont. Or are you really taken with Lamont? Thanks in advance. Bree >Ha! "Lieberman's speech about party unity." > >Where is his party unity now? We Dems in CT, w/Lamont, would have had a >cakewalk to "Democratic victories at the ballot box this fall" if Lieberman >could remember his own speech about party unity and weren't running as an >Independent. > >We all worked so hard in that primary, and then Lieberman decides that he >is going to buck his party because HE knows what is best for this state and >this country? I don't trust him for a minute. Plus he's been for the war >since day one, and that's all I need to know. > >More from that link: > >"But, of course, the only poll that matters at this point is the one among >Democrat voters. Go figure. In a match-up against challenger Ned Lamont, >Lieberman cleans his clock 68%-13%. And 61% of Democrats polled say >Lieberman deserves reelection. Ouch. That's worse than even I expected. > >Granted, Lamont has zero name recognition right now. It's a long way to >August. And then there's the potential financial support of Left-wing >527's. But overcoming a 55 point deficit? Sometime over the next four >months the CT Democrats in Hartford are going to have to officially endorse >Lieberman. How long will they wait in order to try and appease the >moonbats? > >---- > >Look at the pre-primary numbers -- those facts and figures scrawled: >68%-13%! We pulled off an *amazing* victory, and then Joe undid all the >joy that could be. > >Well, we're still working and we'll just have to wait and see what happens >on Joni's birthday! > >Peace, > >Patti P. Moonbat (LOL!) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Marcie I hope Marcie became a lesbian. :P - ----- Original Message ---- From: Susan Guzzi To: LCStanley7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:46:44 PM Subject: Re: Marcie Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was the one left behind in his urge for going - and you know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring him back to her? The end is for us to finish depending on our mood or our life or the season .... Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:07:51 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Obama endorses Lamont READER PLEASE BEWARE: Political content NEWS FLASH FROM CT: Lamont Gets A Bit Of A Lift From Obama Charismatic Senator Sends E-mail On Behalf Of Democratic Nominee By Andrew Miga, Associated Writer Hartford  Ned Lamont got a boost Thursday from one of the Democratic party's brightest rising stars, Sen. Barack Obama. The Illinois senator and potential 2008 presidential candidate sent an e-mail message to his Connecticut supporters urging them to rally behind Lamont's challenge to three-term Sen. Joe Lieberman. Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grass roots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election, Obama wrote. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign." from: http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=db7df5c6-88e1-4096-b283-87c13fcdd2d2 Bree and Kakki, I'll answer your questions later, okay? I've got a deadline to meet right now. But for now, let me just say, Bree, that that article you mention was written on March 31st, not August. So, see how very far we have come with so much hard grassroots work? Love, Patti P., trying to stay sane P.S. Joni, please hurry! I need you! P.S.S. Love the currency thread! Just when you think that's all of them, someJonibody pops in with another. The gift goes on....... _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:10:37 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Great big eeego Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:28:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni & god Bob wrote, among other things "......I think she realized early on that her 'great big eeeeeego' was going to forever be in the way of finding love - "I really don't know love at all"." Bob This one's obvious but I have to add "I guess I never really loved...." do I need to add the rest? Bene, from the icy altitudes ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:25:10 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: NJC at all, Nick Cave and Blixavision - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: NJC now Nick Cave Benedicte wrote: "I just realised I've also got The First-Born is Dead with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. It's very experimental and seems to be a live recording." >> Yep. And if you want to know how it all began, Bene, (in case you didn't already, i bet you did though), check out "The Birthday Party", Nick's first band, pure melodic Punk, 4ad, i'll try to find some clips for you to enjoy. >> He was a son of a teacher who was also a preacher, btw, a very religious family, many songs relate to his father, as well as his book "And The Ass Saw The Angel". >> I know a girl named Jo, who one day realized that she was living in >> the same street where Nick used to live, and she had the funniest Nick in the neighborhood stories, not at all the Goth boy we all love, hehe, but still very sweet. Hey Thanks for this, that's very interesting! Punk as a genre, different from punk-rock is new to me, I used to think punk and punk-rock was the same thing, but I've become wiser. Doesnt happen that often... "Blixa Bargeld, who is also in Einstuerzende Neubauten which is I guess as experimental as it gets" >>> Now wasn't Blixa the first thing i wrote about in my first post to you, Bene?:)))) And i didn't even know you then! You see, i am also a witch, and a goddess, and a dang macho. Uhm... or maybe we watch the same TV programs, because when you tried to fool me into thinking you and everyone else on the list apart for me and Bob were Blixa, the Zuerich Hausfrau, you didn't succeed because I had just seen Blixa Bargeld on TV and he was not a Hausfrau, not a Frau at all. Im just dang smart, that's one thing I've got. >>> EN is/was a great band - back then when experimental meant going >>> really wild and not going really kitsch. Make sure you listen to their >>> song "Ich Bins" - no one should live and die in this world without >>> listening to that song, it's a once in a lifetime track. Will do, I am actaully getting curious about them now. Happy days in Nuristan, Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:31:38 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc My name is Richard. And I am constantly in the dorkness. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:46 PM To: Smurf; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > Anyone have any idea why Diana Krall pronounces > 'darkness' so oddly in the TNT > Tribute? Is 'dorkness' a Canadian pronounciation of > the word, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > My name is Richard. And I am constantly in the > dorkness. > Great! Can we call your Richard Dorkheart? or Richard Coeur de Dork? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Marcie - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very > melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's > a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with > winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe > resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - > kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But > inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is > somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was > the one left behind in his urge for going - and you > know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring > him back to her? The end is for us to finish > depending on our mood or our life or the season .... > > Peace, > Susan > Hey Suzzi Guzzi, I think you go it. It's all very ordinary and grey and a bit bleak, kind of like the weather has been around here for the last couple of weeks! Marcie did kind of drift off like an autumn leaf, not terribly noticed, didn't she? "Someone *thought* they saw her..." "Someone *heard* she bought a one-way ticket and went west again." No one really knows for sure. I guess she didn't tell anyone. I'd like to think she really did go back west and forgot all about that no-good man and changed her name and started up some kick-ass women's group. Someone (my apologies but I don't remember who) suggested that Joni and Marcie were one and the same. That could be. If you look at "I had a king" and then "Marcie", it could be the same woman - once telling the story in the first-person and then as a neutral third-party. For that matter, i think that Nathan LaFraneer drove her to the airport and that they may have driven past the shipyards in the rain on the way there, past the Dawntreader in her berth. And on it goes, with gangs and girly shows. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc, Obama endorses Lamont Darn you, Patti! How many times do I have to ask for SPOILER ALERTS!? Now I know what happened . . . Wishing everyone happiness (ou en francais, 'a penis') sur le weekend. XO, - --Aunty Bob, the dogsitter READER PLEASE BEWARE: Political content NEWS FLASH FROM CT: Lamont Gets A Bit Of A Lift From Obama Charismatic Senator Sends E-mail On Behalf Of Democratic Nominee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc Call me by my sometime screen name: CynicalandDrunkandBoring - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:00 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'Smurf'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: constantly in the 'dorkness' -- where's that at? -- njc - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > My name is Richard. And I am constantly in the > dorkness. > Great! Can we call your Richard Dorkheart? or Richard Coeur de Dork? Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:20:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC at all, Nick Cave and Blixavision hi > "Blixa Bargeld, who is also in Einstuerzende Neubauten which is I > guess as experimental as it gets" > >>>> Now wasn't Blixa the first thing i wrote about in my first post to >>>> you, > Bene?:)))) And i didn't even know you then! You see, i am also a witch, > and a goddess, and a dang macho. & tying this all together - with members from the bad seeds & einstuerzende neubauten - crime & the city solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayQoaq2R3a4 ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:44:17 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Bob's bon bone weekend >Wishing everyone happiness (ou en francais, 'a penis') sur le weekend. > >XO, > >--Aunty Bob, the dogsitter OMG! ROBERTO! C'est "bon weekend" -- tu sais bien. (It's "happy weekend" -- you know that.) Tout bonnement, tu m'etonnes! (Quite frankly, you astonish me!) Quel boniment! (What a quack's show!) Quel bonisseur! (What a showman!) Throw the poor dog a bone! (TIC! Some get the marrow bone) Eat some bon-bons! Bon courage! Bonne chance! Bon voyage! Bon c'est bon, bon bon c'est bon, bon, Bon c'est bon, bon, bon, bon, bon Bon c'est, bon, bon bon c'est bon, bon, Bon c'est bon, bon, bon, bon, bon So long ma, so long pa, so long Neighbors and friends Love, The Madwoman of Mansfield, starting to go "bon"kers again _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:27:24 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Obama endorses Lamont Oh..I see....yes....a very big span in politics... Looking forward to you answers. Take care... Bree >But for now, let me just say, Bree, that that article you mention was >written on March 31st, not August. So, see how very far we have come with >so much hard grassroots work? > >Love, > >Patti P., trying to stay sane > >P.S. Joni, please hurry! I need you! > >P.S.S. Love the currency thread! Just when you think that's all of them, >someJonibody pops in with another. The gift goes on....... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get today's hot entertainment gossip >http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:06:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I've been absent (NJC) Hi dear Paz! Thanks so much for sharing with us what you have been up to. You always take us behind the scenes an make us feel like we are right there. Thanks my dear friend. Ah! Jimmy Webb! What an icon! I'm so glad to hear what a wonderful person he is. I had no idea what Peter Tork has been up to since his days with the Monkees and I'm so happy to know he's still playing music and doing his thing! I love it! Is this the same Randy Jackson who is also a judge on American Idol? I took a moment to read up on his history and it's an impressive one. I'm a big fan of Jean Luc Ponty and I read that he played bass with him at one point. He produced an album for hubby Rob's favorite artist Zucchero. If this is the same Randy Jackson, forget American Idol! This guy is a talent unto himself! So glad you are going to get a little R&R my friend! You need to take a little break! I'm glad to hear that Arlo Guthrie is going to tour again. I'm glad you are a part of it. Please continue to keep us posted on everything! I for one really enjoy the updates! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Gang I have been absent for the past couple of weeks and dreadfully behind in reading of the list. The Long Island Music Awards were a gas and I had a wonderful time even though they almost killed me with a 5 1/2 hour program NOT including the all star jam at the end after a LATE dinner (where they ran out of food). I got to chat for a long time with Jimmy Webb who was a very kind and wonderful person to talk to. He is considering coming down to New Orleans for New Years for our big New Years Eve bash. I also had a great time with Peter Tork from The Monkee's. He is actually a great piano player and we had a ball side stage waiting for his turn to go on to induct. Jackie "The Jokeman" Martling from Howard's show is someone I had worked with before in New Orleans who was telling me about a lot of the funny stuff that happened to him while he was here. He sent me a nice email thanking me for being a pro and making his job so easy. I sent him a copy of Jack Neilson's CD which he said he would play on his Sirius Satellite Show (please call in and comment if you hear it). Mountain was the musical highlight for me cause they were so much a part of the fabric of my rock education. Little Anthony was flawless and has not lost any of that beautiful voice. Harry Chapin's daughter also was very sweet and sang beautifully. My friend Randy Jackson was there and inducted Gershwin and was a big part of the after jam. He asked to come up and play drums but I was too intimidated by all the extreme talent in the building to attempt to hang with those cats. Randy invited me to a show here in New Orleans that happened this last weekend where he performed the music of Led Zep with the La. Philharmonic Orch. I took Julian who was completely blown away by the concert. It was incredible. If you get a chance to see this show on tour check it out it is well worth it. My friend Tom Bensen who is on the board of the Awards folks invited me on stage to recognize me for the work I had done for Katrina's Piano Fund. It was very nice and I even got to address the room full of amazing musicians and dignitaries. Quite a few people came up to me and spoke to me after the show. Alec Baldwin was one of them. He and his wife have done a lot for us down here. I gave them my card and told them to call me when they come down next month and I would take them out to dinner at a little known restaurant that is out of this world. I truly meant to post on this when it was fresh in my mind cause so much has happened since then I am sure I am forgeting something. This weekend is Voodoo Fest in New Orleans and I have a crew of friends coming in from Chicago to party for the weekend. I will be crazy busy, but I know I will find a way to hang a bit (I always do!!!). I have some major news about a discovery I have made but I will have to post about it after the weekend when things settle down to a rolling boil. I will be headed to Aruba for a little R&R on Nov. 28-Dec 3 if any of you are in the neighbourhood please drop in. I fly directly back on the 3rd to join the Guthrie Family and Friends for another train ride on the City of New Orleans to do 3 shows in New Orleans on Dec 7, 8, & 9. No word as of yet as to who all is on the tour. Hopefully I will get to see some of you guys along the way or you will come on down for the shows here in N.O. No more news for now. I hope everyone is well and Happy Birthday to Mags who I heard is having one. Have a great weekend! Love Paz _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:10:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC a little shameless promotion for my friends coming down to nyc Wish I could be there Mags! I love to support friends of friends! It keeps the circle going! I will keep them in my heart and think good thoughts for a great performance from them! Love, Sherelle Mags wrote: hey all, if anyone is able to...go and see Easily Amused in NYC Easily Amused WILL be performing Sunday October 29 at The Living Room, 8 pm in New York City! Keith and Renee are such sweethearts and would love to have a fine audience to perform for. Keith was in the finals for Canadian Idol . I know them personally, and they are wonderful folks. Hope to see you there!!! http://www.easilyamused.ca thank you.... Mags ~the night owl~ _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:55:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: my son the Joni jokester Bon vendredri soir! Before I tackle Bree's and Kakki's questions, let me start off light-hearted. My son Chris always teases me about Joni. He's the one who now lives in the "Land of the Tolls" (I'm sending up my prayer for Jack). He just called and told me that he heard that Joni is going to be doing ONE concert. Ha! I'm hip to his Joni tricks by now. When he took me to see JT a few summers ago he told me, on his return from the concession stand, that he saw the "Joni Mitchell Tour Bus" in the parking lot. "I don't believe him!" Me (fifty-fifty fire and ice): "Oh, really?" Chris: "Yeah. I saw it on CNN." Me: "Wow! That's great news. But it's hard to believe. I think I would have heard about it on the JMDL first, though." Chris: "Yep. One concert. In Montreal." Me (feigning excitement): "Wow. So when is it?" Chris: "June 30th." (Chris is getting married on June 30th.) Me: "Well, honey, I guess you'll have to find yourself another mother of the groom!" Don't you just love it when your kids acknowledge your Joniness? Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni currency, - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >"Proud Headed Queen Lizzie" in Electricity is a > reference to a coin.< > > Do Canadian coins have Queen Elizabeth's head on > them like they do in > Australia? > Yes, they do. The copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie that conducts little charges that don't get charged back is the Canadian penny. Some people used to call them coppers. People would use them to replace a burnt-out fuse in a fuse box. Not the safest thing to do. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:07:25 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: sherelle smith njc A day with elderly mother and troubled family. Exhausted and stress too great to express here in words in such a short space. Trouble at home, work the usual grind that would make hair be pulled out if enough remained to matter. Mountains of problems weighing down upon the head. Into car to return home and faced with the long highway and the neurotic craziness that it causes in the head of someone that inherited fear of driving. Cell phone in hand and friends waiting for the call I would not make while driving. Searching through the cd's looking for something to salve, something to caress, something to help, something!!!!!!!!!! None would do, needed a friend. And then............... Sherelle, sweet Sherelle. Into the player she went and then it all didn't seem quite so powerful and the darkness held much less power. She took me home, the entire length. Thank ya darling. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: Re: NJC a little shameless promotion for my friends coming down to nyc > Wish I could be there Mags! I love to support friends of friends! It keeps > the circle going! I will keep them in my heart and think good thoughts for > a great performance from them! > > Love, Sherelle > > Mags wrote: > > hey all, if anyone is able to...go and see Easily Amused in NYC > > Easily Amused WILL be performing Sunday October 29 at > The Living Room, 8 pm in New York City! > > Keith and Renee are such sweethearts and would love to have a fine > audience to > perform for. Keith was in the finals for Canadian Idol . I know them > personally, > and they are wonderful folks. > > Hope to see you there!!! > > http://www.easilyamused.ca > > thank you.... > > Mags > > ~the night owl~ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:26:05 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: I've been absent (NJC) > I love it! Is this the same Randy Jackson who is also a judge on > American Idol? I took a moment to read up on his history and it's > an impressive one. I'm a big fan of Jean Luc Ponty and I read that > he played bass with him at one point. He produced an album for > hubby Rob's favorite artist Zucchero. If this is the same Randy > Jackson, forget American Idol! This guy is a talent unto himself! > Different Randy Jackson...great band though! They had a really good sound. They had a hit with "Who's Behind the Door." One of the good bands from the 80's. Victor NP: Cards and Tigers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:58:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, Barack Obama & Lieberman Bree, notre fromage favori, asked: > >Just curious..Patti..was there a time that you liked Lieberman? As far >as Lamont goes..didn't he pump some eight million of his OWN money in >there? Connecticut is ranked..28th in population and 48th in size...I >would think with those figures and all that money going to spread his >message..his name ...people in your state should know him by now. (I >realize that article was written in August) IS it that you dislike >Lieberman so much..you have to settle for Lamont. Or are you really >taken with Lamont? Sigh. All this political stuff is wearing me down, truly. I don't know how bad it is in your state, but here in CT it is just relentless, and awful. In all my 52 years, have never seen such horribly negative ads everywhere you turn. I already told you that the article was written on March 31, right? So that means we really had a magnificent grassroots victory on August 8th, turning that 68 percent vs. 13 percent (is that what it was? fuzzy math -- sorry!) into a stunning victory for Lamont, our anti-war candidate. NO WAR! NO WAR! NO WAR! I have already had this debate with an old friend (and you know, there may be more), so if you will please forgive my weak and a lazy mind right now, I will just cut and paste something I wrote Sunday. "Again and again the same situation..." Okay, this is long....sorry! As our other Joan once sang: Take what you need, and leave the rest. - -- There was a time that the money thing would dis-illusion you...................... I have grappled with that. I believe we need real campaign finance reform, but unfortunately that is not happening yet. Should only rich men be able to get elected, because they have their own money? No, of course not. With all that said, I have to actually admire him for putting his own money where his mouth is. And one of the best things is that he takes NO money from lobbyists or political arms of big corporations. Lieberman is taking millions from Bush people, corporations, PACS, etc. There is a long list of his contributors in today's Hartford Courant. A lot of pharmaceutical companies, too....hmmmmm.... - -- what is his true motive ?.............. David once told me: "I don't like to attribute motives to people." I think that is very good advice. You never know what one's true motives are until they are put to the test. Does he just want power? Maybe. He's certainly not in it for the money, because he is losing money. Does he want to end the war, change the disgusting climate in Washington, help get better health care, help public education (Lieberman supports vouchers, Lamont does not)? I believe that he does. Maybe I'll be disappointed later, but I do know that Lieberman has disappointed and disgusted me enough times (he actually introduced the Iraq War Resolution to the Senate) to say it's time for him to go. This may be oversimplification but I boil it all down to this: Lieberman has been for Bush's/Cheney's/Rumsfeld's/Rove's war since day one. Period. Lamont is against the war. As my grandmother used to say: "Where there's a will, there's a way." Lamont appears to have the will. Lieberman does not have the will. His actions have proven that. - -- You would also be one I think to react to his total negativity and attacks on his opponent...............sigh........ I sigh with you. They are ALL disgusting, and are only going to get worse in the next two weeks. But you know what? These warmongers NEED to be attacked! Simmons in my district has REALLY awful ones...one with Guiliani ("America's Mayor") and all this 9/11 crap, and another w/ Mohammed Atta and the pres of Iran and the like (axis of evil people) saying that Courtney doesn't care about the security of Americans. Hogwash! Nancy Johnson is just as bad. From my perspective, Lamont's negative ads critique Lieberman's *record*, and rightly so....he missed 309 votes in the last 4 years....he supports the war....he has never in his 18 years supported universal health care....he was the only New England democrat to vote for the Bush-Cheney energy bill which contains BILLIONS in subsidies for oil and gas companies (like they need it!!!) and does little for conservation and clean energy. Not to mention that ole Joe voted for the torture bill. Have you read Garrison Keilor's piece on that? The Republican ads are using fear to get their votes. That is despicable to me. Cheney said Lamont supporters are (I forget his exact words) "the kind of people who support terrorists." Go f@#k yourself, Cheney! And all your friends, too. (Cheney and Rove support Lieberman.) Most politicians are jerks...but they are all we have to work with if we really do want peace and justice and freedom, so what can you do? (One guy who really gives me hope, though, is Barack Obama. Have you heard and seen him? Wow. I just hope someone doesn't shoot him like they did so many other good ones. Sigh.) Lamont, if he wins, could turn out to be a jerk. Who knows? But to me, he appears to have the vision and the will to lead us to the *change* we desperately need. I am willing to take the risk. With Lieberman, who says he has the "courage of his convictions", I would say that "his" is the operative word. Does he represent his constituents? Or himself? How do we know what *his* convictions are going to be on any issue? He's taking so much Republican money...but calls himself a "devoted Democrat" (but ignores the will of the Dem voters). Remember too how he refused to give up wanting to keep his Senate seat during the last election....had he and Kerry won, asshole Rowland would have been able to put one of his corrupt cronies into the Senate. Would that have been best for CT? No, but it would have been best for Joe Lieberman. And this one really got me: when asked who could possibly dissuade him from running, he answered: "No earthly messenger." Holy shit. Sounds like God is telling HIM what to do, just like he tells George W. Bush. Pretty scary stuff, in my opinion. We've got enough whacko religious nuts out there running countries in the name of God and Allah and whatever. Bottom line: I am choosing hope over fear. That's how I see it. I'm Patti Parlette and I approve this message!" Okay, so that's my two cents ce soir. Kakki, I need to leave your questions for tomorrow, okay? I'm exhausted! Sorry for all the bandwith. Love and peace to all, Patti P. P.S. Hey, Smurf...bow wow! NPIMH: Neil Young's "I'm living with war every day, I'm living with war in my heart, everyday...." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #403 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------