From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #401 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 401 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: John Michael Talbot, njc ["ron" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #398 [Lady Isadora ] joni currency, ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-) [mags h ] Re: John Michael Talbot, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Barack Obama [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc, Barack Obama [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Barack Obama [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni & god [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: joni currency, [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave [E] I've been absent (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Tribune Media Services: Dept of Peace - 10-26-06 - njc [J Kendel Johnson ] Joni's NEW ALBUM to be released online? [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Marcie ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave [] Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave [] Re: Marcie-njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Marcie [Doug ] Re: Marcie [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni currency, [Smurf ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:34 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot, njc hi >>>>laura wrote >>> Here are pictures from earlier this month of the monastery and >>> community John founded that I'm a domestic sister in. The lady holding >>> the baby is John's wife Viola. & which are picturtes of laura :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #398 JMDL Digest wrote: ... >Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:01:25 +0100 >From: Benedicte Nielsen >Subject: Re: Joni and God/dess and us >Hi Lady! >Just to clarify: I WAS alluding to you when I said everyone seems to think >Joni has the same religious beliefs as themselves - of course it's an >exaggeration because you didn't say she is a devoted goddessworshipper. >I did read your response with interest, I know nothing about goddess worship >and wouldn't onw how to read any references to it in her songs. I really don't think Joni is a Goddess religionist, but being one myself, I could tell she was aligning herself with the scene at least rhetorically and sympathetically in the song's voice, with such "DITS" lines as the one I cited yesterday: "In flames our prophet witches", among others. "We walked on the moon, you be polite" is another one-- the moon is held sacred in neo-Paganism, and usually envisioned as a goddess. Several months ago, before I got "sidetracked" from frequent participation here by too many professional projects, I posted some thoughts on this song in this list, as some of you may recall... will do so again in greater depth one of these days. >Ron was the only one who said he has a close relationship to God which he >thinks Joni does not - so my comment "How Dare you think you are more >enlightened" was to him. Ah, you mean my Witchy little rant was all for nothing, then?? ;-) Actually, what I wrote yesterday to clarify where I'm coming from was offered "in case", because I wasn't quite sure to whom you were addressing what, but I knew I must be included somehow, since you'd CCd a copy of your post to me. As for Ron's comments: if one envisions and defines "God" as some external personality, a being apart, specifically in the traditional Judeo-Christian mold, one might well observe that Joni doesn't seem to have a close relationship with "him"... of course, relative to that, there's the issue of whether "God" even exists in the form so many nowadays ascribe to "him", which might be one reason Joni (or many others, for that matter) don't relate closely to "him"... I myself believe the Divine is (or should be) within us as well as without us... in my view and experience, it's certainly accessible by humans, and Joni is a prime case of someone who manifests the Divine powerfully. Isn't that what it's all about, really? Not worshipping some external deity figure or great cosmic puppetmaster for his/her/its own sake, but manifesting the Deity Within to make a difference in the world, in our own lives, and in the lives of those we live with and love? In that sense, I'd say Joni has a very, very close relationship with God/dess. One of the closest! >My other comment was about Joni herself - I think people identify or >sympathise a lot with her, that is why many emails will say 'I'm sure Joni >would agree with me'. >Ha, it gives a new perspectiveon 'I see something of myself in everyone'... Ha, indeed... I've always loved that line, BTW... while I usually perform original and traditional material, that's one of Joni's songs I've been known to sing myself on occasion. Blessings, Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com "Well-behaved women rarely make history." - --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #399 JMDL Digest wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396 >Hi Isadora... >I'm curious...do you like Joni because she is magical or are you a >witch who just happens to like her music? Do more witches appreciate >her music then non-witches? >Thanks in advance! Hi, Bree! What can I say? I like Joni because she's magical AND I am a Witch who happens to like her music! ;-) I wouldn't say Witches appreciate her music more than non-Witches... it seems to me Joni is appreciated and cherished by people of a number of orientations. But I think that is largely because most people at heart react to what is magical instinctively... the little kid in us still loves the idea of magic (as a quality of manifest divine energy, not mere hocus-pocus stuff) and knows magic when it sees it, no matter how old we get. Blessings, Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com "Well-behaved women rarely make history." - --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #400 JMDL Digest wrote: - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:34:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396, njc >Hi Bree, >So, are you a good witch or a bad witch? >Representing the Lolly Pop Guild, >Laura LOL... well, I could toss out some quips like "Whoooo killed my sister?" and "They're laughing because-- I AM a witch! I'm Isadora-- the witch of the Midwest!" But I'm gonna get some old pink toeshoes out and represent the Lullaby League, to sort of balance out the Lollipop Guild. Even if I AM 5'10" now, with a women's US size 11 shoe... :-) Say, Joni has long feet too, doesn't she? I noticed that right off on the "For the Roses" cover (how I LUSTED for that green velvet outfit! Joni's a sister clothes-horse, totally)... and I seem to recall her using the old "longfellows" joke about her feet in some interview or other years ago... ;-) Follow the Yellow Brick Road! and/or To the Emerald City as fast as lightning! &c. &c., "Dizzy Aura" http://www.ladyisadora.com "Well-behaved women rarely make history." - --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:44:47 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni & god "All this talk about holiness now..." my take on it is this. I feel that Joni has always been and still is entirely honest about two things: her search for love and her seeking for God. in truth, I think she has written far too much on both subjects to fit within one discussion on either. I, for one, have always appreciated her honesty. best, pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:57:59 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni currency, Catherine wrote: >A dollar and a half. >Or eighteen bucks. I love these references. Are there any other references to currencies in joni's songs? - - --- Les Irvin wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Cynthia >How much are your skate rentals? > >>A dollar and a half. >>Or eighteen bucks. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-) thanks Pat, Richard, Patti....for all the lovely birthday greetings, on list as well as off...i'm way behind in my reading of the digest. it sure is wonderful to find gushings of the birthday kind... I'm lucky because my bday seems to last about two weeks ! love, Mags npimh: all the people at this birthday party...they've got a lot of style ;-)) p.s. I am loving the music of Nick Cave and especially the song Northern Skye... p.s.s. Gerry Notaro....Marcy comes into this heart as a bit on the melancholy side, and perhaps it is a chick thing, ... '"there's comfort in melancholy with no need to explain"... ;-) Patti Parlette wrote: Bon anniversaire, chere Mags! Our very own prairie girl in Oh, Canada. Songs to a prairie girl. May your songs always be sweet. Joni Tic: Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet.......... Oui, oui. That's what I wish for you, ce soir, et toujours. Sorry that I'm running behind the times, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline bring the stars home www.stardome.ca Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:44:43 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Barack Obama, njc Patti wrote: >Heart and humour and humility. What we want, babies, he's got it! >It's in this snippet: >"Barack Obama: 'I Inhaled That Was The Point' "I inhaled that was the point." I second that. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:58:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot, njc In a message dated 10/26/2006 1:15:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, flopit@telkomsa.net writes: & which are picturtes of laura :-) Hi Ron, There's only one view of me in DSC03697.JPG9880 _http://web.mac.com/johannapauline/iWeb/Site/gathering%20bsc.html_ (http://web.mac.com/johannapauline/iWeb/Site/gathering%20bsc.html) I'm in the back row, second from the left. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama And not a word about her Republican opponent John Spencer's sexist remarks, Bree? In the past week alone: Hillary was "ugly" when she was younger, "I don't know why Bill ever married her" and she must have had "Millions of dollars of work done on her lately. "As long as I don't call her a lesbian, I'm Okay. To which she responded that she was "cute" in high school, and asking "Do you want to check for scars?" I think that was a class response to a sexist boor. Jerry > I really...really.. don't know of any TRUE conservative that would vote for > Hillary. But I do know a few people on the left who will have to hold > their nose when they cast that vote for her in a couple of weeks. I'm sure > it was moderates who put her in..Jerry..and it didn't help she didn't have a > very good opponent that year she won. > > > Hillary started out with a very noble cause ..children. But she subverted > that cause..imo..because she politicized it. ...like everything she does. > Many ..many years ago..Hillary's real heartfelt concern became an > experiment for a much bigger goal.....socialism. > > If you haven't..please read....Barbara Olson's..Hell To Pay. Things I > didn't like about Hillary ...that I have always felt...Barbara conveys and > documents so well. > > > It's not bull ..Laura...read.. > > judge for yourself.. > > > Bree > > >> Jerry wrote:: >> >> Let's just say that your description of HRC is a subjective, personal >> opinion. The majority of New Yorkers, who voted her as Senator, and will >> do >> so again, disagree with you. And my home town of Buffalo, a very >> conservative, middle class, blue collar town, voted for her in droves and >> she is very popular there. >> >> >> >> >> >> Let it snow let it snow let it snow in Buffalo... I agree with you Jerry. >> I thought Bree's opinion was interesting though. If she was a democrat, I >> might listen more closely to what she says about Hillary because I would >> be >> sure she had turned Rush Limbaugh off and didn't buy the bull. >> >> Love, >> Laura >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with > Live Search! > http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en- > US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:20:52 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama In a message dated 10/26/2006 1:07:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: Hillary started out with a very noble cause ..children. But she subverted that cause..imo..because she politicized it. ...like everything she does. Hi Bree, I don't see how a "politician" could keep from politicizing all issues on some level. They wouldn't be politicians if they didn't. She still has children and family as her cause. Read below. Love, Laura PS. I won't be convinced that I should not support Hillary by people who have a history of being conservative commentators like Barbara Olson. Balancing Work and Family Responsibilities Todaybs families are often stretched thin b working to make ends meet while also trying to carve out time to care for their young children and aging relatives. To help provide flexibility for families, I have championed legislation that would expand after school programs, make high-quality childcare more accessible and affordable for working parents, and provide respite care for elderly individuals who are unable to care for themselves. I have also co-sponsored a bill that would ensure that workers can take paid time off when they are sick. Today, close to half of all private employees have no paid sick leave, and many more are unable to take time off to care for a sick child. I am a proud co-sponsor of S.282, which expands the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) to provide parents with time off from work to go the doctorsb office with their child. This bill also takes the next step towards helping parents balance work and family by providing paid family and medical leave to qualifying individuals and allowing parents time off to attend teacher conferences for their children. Since President Clinton signed the FMLA into law in 1993, more than 50 million Americans have taken advantage of it. But many more are not able to because they cannot give up their paycheck. S. 282 would make paid leave a reality for the millions of New Yorkers who need paid time off to care for their loved ones. Improving our Child Welfare System As First Lady I worked with Congress to establish the Adoption Incentives program, which has led to an 85 percent increase in the number of children adopted out of foster care. In the Senate I have continued to work to improve our child welfare system by supporting legislation that will further increase the number of children who are adopted out of foster care, increase the adoption tax credit, and help children in foster care to keep track of their medical and education records. I was an original co-sponsor of legislation that provides strong incentives to adopt older children and children with special needs out of foster care. This bill was signed into law on December 2, 2003 . I also wrote legislation to support the more than 6 million children who, for a variety of reasons b some of them tragic b are being raised by their relatives instead of their parents. These kinship families face unique challenges, and I am working to help them. Fighting the Culture of Sex and Violence in the Media I have also spoken out against the culture of violence and sex in the media, comparing this growing problem to a disease that, if left untreated, will become an epidemic. Working with Senators on both sides of the aisle, I have championed legislation that would create the first-ever coordinated research center devoted to revealing the impact of media on our children. This center would focus particularly on the impact of media on infants, an area that is widely not understood, and on the growing link between television viewing and childhood obesity. Increasing Access to Critical Services and Volunteer Opportunities In an effort to improve access to government services and volunteer opportunities, I championed the Calling for 2-1-1 Act, a bill that will establish an easy-to-remember, non-emergency phone number to link individuals with the government services and volunteer opportunities they need. A 2-1-1 service is current underway in the Western region of New York State . It is my goal to make this service available throughout New York and the nation. Economic Security for Families To put more money into the hands of New York bs families, I strongly supported doubling the child tax credit and expanding it so that it is available to low-income families. Today, this tax credit benefits more than 1.5 million households in New York . As its first act of 2003, Congress passed my bill to provide additional unemployment insurance to people who were unable to find work after the recession that followed September 11th. And when the Bush Administration tried to quietly cut overtime pay for working families, I fought the move aggressively, helping to win four votes in the Senate opposing the Administrationbs move. I was also an original co-sponsor of S. 2370 in the 108th Congress, which would raise the federal minimum wage to $7 an hour. Welfare I support building on the welfare reforms of 1997 by helping the neediest Americans obtain the support and skills they need to achieve self-sufficiency. I have strongly advocated for more resources for childcare assistance, greater access to education and training, and healthcare for people transitioning from welfare to work. And I believe that legal immigrants who work hard and play by the rules should not be penalized, as they are under the current system. Gay family rights "Every single time since I've been elected speaker, I ever time I've picked up the phone to ask Senator Clinton to help the LGBT community, she has said yes," Christine Quinn said. "She's assigned staff, she's taken her own time and political capital to put in on the deal." Ethan Geto, a long-time gay activist who described himself as an advisor to the senator on LGBT issues said, "we're engaged in a dialogue with someone who has the stature, who has the credibility, the viability to be the party's standard bearer in 2008," he said. "I think when you look at Senator Clinton's record, she may not agree with us on every last policy issue, but when you look at the totality of the record, there is no one in this country who may be the president of the United States with whom we have a warmer, a stronger, a closer productive working relationship." Doug Robinson, the co-president of the Out People of Color Political Action Club who with his partner of more than 20 years has raised two sons, spoke about the pressures his family faces in sending both to college without the benefits of marriage's economic advantages. In what began as a strong challenge to Clinton, Robinson said, "We need your support on marriage, we need you to look at that." Yet, just as Robinson was about to yield the floor for Clinton's response, he offered her a bit of wiggle room. "Even if you say civil marriage isn't as important as equal benefits, in my mind I don't care what you call it," he concluded. "But I need the same things that everyone does so I can sustain my family." It was at this point that the senator stated her support for "full equality of benefits, nothing left out." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:25:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Lieberman lost the primary and is no longer his party's candidate. The people democratically selected another. Do you really expect him not to support his party's candidate? Jerry Listening to Same Situation on WMNF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:28:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni & god That's actually not very consistent with her lyrical history, though. After recording Black Crow in the studio, she has always performed the song changing the line "in search of love and music" to "in search of truth and beauty". I think the 'beauty' part was altered to encompass her visual art as well as her musical work. 'Truth' could certainly be construed as a spiritual quest, it certainly was in my case (the search for TRUTH as opposed to GOD). I think she realized early on that her 'great big eeeeeego' was going to forever be in the way of finding love - "I really don't know love at all". 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One of my vacation buddies has a bunch of Nick Cave on her iPod, so I ask her to put it on - and his stuff just nails me. :) thx Em ps Happy Two-Week-Long Birthday Mags! - ----- Original Message ---- From: mags h To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:38:08 AM Subject: Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-) p.s. I am loving the music of Nick Cave and especially the song Northern Skye... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:54:04 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: I've been absent (NJC) Hi Gang I have been absent for the past couple of weeks and dreadfully behind in reading of the list. The Long Island Music Awards were a gas and I had a wonderful time even though they almost killed me with a 5 1/2 hour program NOT including the all star jam at the end after a LATE dinner (where they ran out of food). I got to chat for a long time with Jimmy Webb who was a very kind and wonderful person to talk to. He is considering coming down to New Orleans for New Years for our big New Years Eve bash. I also had a great time with Peter Tork from The Monkee's. He is actually a great piano player and we had a ball side stage waiting for his turn to go on to induct. Jackie "The Jokeman" Martling from Howard's show is someone I had worked with before in New Orleans who was telling me about a lot of the funny stuff that happened to him while he was here. He sent me a nice email thanking me for being a pro and making his job so easy. I sent him a copy of Jack Neilson's CD which he said he would play on his Sirius Satellite Show (please call in and comment if you hear it). Mountain was the musical highlight for me cause they were so much a part of the fabric of my rock education. Little Anthony was flawless and has not lost any of that beautiful voice. Harry Chapin's daughter also was very sweet and sang beautifully. My friend Randy Jackson was there and inducted Gershwin and was a big part of the after jam. He asked to come up and play drums but I was too intimidated by all the extreme talent in the building to attempt to hang with those cats. Randy invited me to a show here in New Orleans that happened this last weekend where he performed the music of Led Zep with the La. Philharmonic Orch. I took Julian who was completely blown away by the concert. It was incredible. If you get a chance to see this show on tour check it out it is well worth it. My friend Tom Bensen who is on the board of the Awards folks invited me on stage to recognize me for the work I had done for Katrina's Piano Fund. It was very nice and I even got to address the room full of amazing musicians and dignitaries. Quite a few people came up to me and spoke to me after the show. Alec Baldwin was one of them. He and his wife have done a lot for us down here. I gave them my card and told them to call me when they come down next month and I would take them out to dinner at a little known restaurant that is out of this world. I truly meant to post on this when it was fresh in my mind cause so much has happened since then I am sure I am forgeting something. This weekend is Voodoo Fest in New Orleans and I have a crew of friends coming in from Chicago to party for the weekend. I will be crazy busy, but I know I will find a way to hang a bit (I always do!!!). I have some major news about a discovery I have made but I will have to post about it after the weekend when things settle down to a rolling boil. I will be headed to Aruba for a little R&R on Nov. 28-Dec 3 if any of you are in the neighbourhood please drop in. I fly directly back on the 3rd to join the Guthrie Family and Friends for another train ride on the City of New Orleans to do 3 shows in New Orleans on Dec 7, 8, & 9. No word as of yet as to who all is on the tour. Hopefully I will get to see some of you guys along the way or you will come on down for the shows here in N.O. No more news for now. I hope everyone is well and Happy Birthday to Mags who I heard is having one. Have a great weekend! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Tribune Media Services: Dept of Peace - 10-26-06 - njc THE CRY OF OUR INNER GANDHI By Robert C. Koehler Tribune Media Services http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bob_koeh_061025_the_cry_of_our_inner.htm "While Republicans fight the War on Terror, grow our robust economy, and crack down on illegal immigration, House Democrats plot to establish a Department of Peace, raise your taxes, and minimize penalties for crack d ealers. The difference couldn't be starker." As a contribution to the general noise and ignorance, House Whip Roy Blunt's Web-site politicking is nothing special. Boo! Scared yet? Fear-baiting at election time is standard GOP save-our-keister strategy, but the list of acceptable bogeymen that party leaders parade before the constituency, with inimitable cynicism, is always instructional. Taxes, check. Crack dealers, check. Department of Peace . . . huh? Heaping derision on this quiet but potent piece of legislation - H.R. 3760, which now has 74 co-sponsors - may be a miscalculation on Blunt's part, given that most Americans have lost patience with the carnage in Iraq, don't feel safer because of the war on terror and want the country to move in a new direction. I can understand why Blunt himself would be scared of it - the establishment of a cabinet-level Department of Peace would signal a profound national direction change - but, sadly, I also understand why he sees it as a safe target to mock and misrepresent. The extraordinary notion that violence, like disease, may have causes that can be eradicated - that it is not embedded in human nature and therefore inevitable - isn't in wide circulation yet. It remains barely a pinprick in the national awareness, as manifested by the mainstream media and other outlets of popular culture. The concept is also da ngerous and upsets the powers that be. Violence is not only big business, it permeates the mythology that unites us as a nation. To suggest building a culture of peace, of which a Department of Peace would be one component, no doubt seems like a "plot" to the likes of Blunt - but I'm convinced there is a groundswell of hope for such a culture, indeed, a spiritual hunger for it. A woman recently wrote to me: "I don't think I've ever felt a deeper level of frustration with the direction this country is going. Honestly though, what do you do? I give to the candidates and important causes, I've gone to marches and rallies, I write letters when necessary but I honestly don't know what to do with the anger, frustration, despair that I feel. I've had this conversation with friends and we talk about it but then agree that we don't 'Do' anything. But what is there to do? What is the best way to get involved?" How many of us haven't felt such anguish ourselves? There's no simple fix for this sort of frustration, which, though it may be triggered by the Bush presidency, is far more spiritual in nature than it is political. For all the nation's vaunted self-aggrandizement as the world's oldest democracy, we are not encouraged by the mass media to participate in public life - certainly not at that level. The Washington Post, for instance, in a story about House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (the story quotes Blunt's laundry list of bogeymen), describes how the California Democrat set about revitalizing her party after its defeat in '04. Did she reach out to the public, tap into the great desire for change afoot in the land or craft a relevant party platform? Well, actually, no. Instead, the story matter-of-factly notes, "she reached out to advertising executives, Internet moguls and language specialists to ask how Democrats could rise from the ashes and challenge President Bush and the Republicans." This is the kind of story that ruins my day. The word "participatory" seems to be so thoroughly atrophied at this point that no self-respecting journalist would seriously consider using it as a modifier - much less an amplifier - for "democracy." Yet my anguished letter-writer is groping for precisely this word. That vibrating imperative she expressed, to do something that matters, is nothing less, in my view, than the cry of our inner Gandhi to become the change we want to see happen in the world. And this brings me back to the Department of Peace, the culture of peace, the idea of peace. If we don't break the cycles of violence that keep hatred and injustice at a constant simmer, our future is limited and stunted. "We need a partner in our government so that peace becomes an organizing principle in this society," said Dot Maver, executive director of The Peace Alliance. That's the value of the movement to establish a Department of Peace, and for those of you, like my correspondent, who want to know where to put your energy, this may be the place. Peace, as defined by Johan Galtung at transcend.org, is "the capacity to handle conflicts with empathy, nonviolence and creativity." Far from being a "plot" hatched by a cabal of Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi, as Rep. Blunt seems to think it is (if only he were right), peace is a principle, an array of social technologies and, above all, a life commitment demanding every ounce of our strength. - - - - Robert Koehler, an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist, is an editor at Tribune Media Services and nationally syndicated writer. You can respond to this column at bkoehler@tribune.com or visit his Web site at commonwonders.com. ) 2006 Tribune Media Services, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:51:09 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni's NEW ALBUM to be released online? Rolling Stones is reporting that Joni's new album will be released online. http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2006/10/23/joni-mitchell-read ing-rudyard-kipling-working-on-new-material/ They're quoting from these 2 articles. Ottwa Citizen http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c5551bd3-2dea-4fc5-b5b 8-81115aab7836&k=4978&p=2 Uncut http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/uncut/news/8940 Joni Mitchell has announced that she has come out of self-imposed retirement and is currently recording material for a new album. In an interview with Canadian regional newspaper the Ottawa Citizen, Mitchell said, When the world becomes a massive mess with nobody at the helm, it's time for artists to make their mark. She says she aims to help bring "courage through tough times." The new album is still untitled, and Mitchell has said that she doesn't know when it will be released, but it is likely that the album will be released online. Mitchell is adamant that record companies will not make any money from anything she releases. She told the Ottawa Citizen: "The record labels are criminally insane... ugly, screwed up, crooked, uncreative, selfish. The forthcoming album will feature the same musicians she has been working with since 1972s For The Roses, including drummer Brian Blade, saxophonist Wayne Shorter and possibly pianist Herbie Hancock. Mitchell will play piano, electric and acoustic guitars and synthesizers herself. Lyrics for several songs are still being refined. "There's a lot of back and forth, back and forth," she said. "But it's coming." The new material that is completed, includes a song inspired by If, Rudyard Kipling's poem standing up for personal integrity. Mitchell has altered it slightly to make the message more relevant. She also gets political on new song Holy War, condemning war waged in the name of religion, and although no names are mentioned, it is clearly an open-ended attack on both terrorist groups and U.S. President George W. Bush. Joni Mitchell retired writing songs with social and political commentary after 1998's Taming the Tiger was mauled critically. Laura *************************************************************** Things to do while waiting for Joni's new album ICE triple efx Shampoo-Conditioner-Body Wash http://joico.com/html/np_triple_efx_form.php Win SEES candy (Yum) http://seescandies.rsc02.net/servlet/website/ResponseForm?lLLlETBTZ_lPLLil You don't have enough gas? Win some. http://www.rd.com/gasgiveaway ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:02:56 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Marcie So abysmal et tragic the tune. She waits for someone to return. Not just anyone; her life, that one. He dressed her up in light and magic and color and then away he went. Perhaps he promised to return, perhaps not. Either or neither she can't return anywhere herself without the haunting of where she was and where she must return. Without that, her life is simply limbo, eternal. The days are endless, over and over they play. Still no letter, still no him, still nothing. The color is long gone, brown paper now. Dismal, winter, cold. No one can take her to the sea. For no one else will do. She fades. She dreams. Nothing else is there. She leaves, no goodbye. Anything and anyone, including the story teller, are simply filler. The tune could be her finest. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:19:01 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave Em wrote: << hey Nick Cave is getting mentioned lately on the list! someone else did, too... Cool! I am also fairly fascinated with him. Haven't bought a whole album yet..anyone wish to recommend one? One of my vacation buddies has a bunch of Nick Cave on her iPod, so I ask her to put it on - - and his stuff just nails me. >> The Boatman's Call is a wonderful collection of songs, I don't think you can go wrong with that. As has been noted, Into My Arms is a potential Modern Standard, and Are You The One I've Been Waiting For is almost as great. Nick Cave's most recent releases were two albums that appeared simultaneously, Abattoir Blues and The Lyre Of Orpheus. They're both magnificent: the songs are tuneful and satisfyingly chunky, the lyrics are fantastically well-written (he even gets away with rhyming "hysteria" and "wisteria"!), and the band have never sounded more confident. And the good news is that both these albums are available on Emusic! If you want some comic - and exceedingly macabre - relief, check out Murder Ballads, which does exactly what it says on the tin. Its body count (and language) would probably rival the most out-there gangsta rap, and the x-rated version of Staggerlee is laugh-out-loud funny. I still haven't explored his earlier stuff, but The Mercy Seat is very highly regarded. Azeem in London PS Did you get Aerial, Em - and if so, what did you think of it?? - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 25/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave Hi Azeem, thanks! you've never steered me wrong yet. Much appreciated. And I'm happy to hear some of this stuff is available on emusic. I signed up for that deal....like 40 songs a month..and have not been taking advantage of it as I should. So thanks for that tip, too. Nope, no "Aerial". Is that a Nick Cave tune? Will check it out. thanks again. Just read the wikipedia entry on him. Very interesting. Em - ----- Original Message ---- From: Azeem To: Em ; mags h ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:19:01 AM Subject: RE: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! hippo birdie to me ;-)/ now Nick Cave Em wrote: << hey Nick Cave is getting mentioned lately on the list! someone else did, too... Cool! I am also fairly fascinated with him. Haven't bought a whole album yet..anyone wish to recommend one? One of my vacation buddies has a bunch of Nick Cave on her iPod, so I ask her to put it on - - and his stuff just nails me. >> The Boatman's Call is a wonderful collection of songs, I don't think you can go wrong with that. As has been noted, Into My Arms is a potential Modern Standard, and Are You The One I've Been Waiting For is almost as great. Nick Cave's most recent releases were two albums that appeared simultaneously, Abattoir Blues and The Lyre Of Orpheus. They're both magnificent: the songs are tuneful and satisfyingly chunky, the lyrics are fantastically well-written (he even gets away with rhyming "hysteria" and "wisteria"!), and the band have never sounded more confident. And the good news is that both these albums are available on Emusic! If you want some comic - and exceedingly macabre - relief, check out Murder Ballads, which does exactly what it says on the tin. Its body count (and language) would probably rival the most out-there gangsta rap, and the x-rated version of Staggerlee is laugh-out-loud funny. I still haven't explored his earlier stuff, but The Mercy Seat is very highly regarded. Azeem in London PS Did you get Aerial, Em - and if so, what did you think of it?? - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 25/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:23:49 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Marcie-njc Mack you're makin me cry over here babe. db >>> "mack watson-bush" 10/26/2006 9:02 AM >>> So abysmal et tragic the tune. She waits for someone to return. Not just anyone; her life, that one. He dressed her up in light and magic and color and then away he went. Perhaps he promised to return, perhaps not. Either or neither she can't return anywhere herself without the haunting of where she was and where she must return. Without that, her life is simply limbo, eternal. The days are endless, over and over they play. Still no letter, still no him, still nothing. The color is long gone, brown paper now. Dismal, winter, cold. No one can take her to the sea. For no one else will do. She fades. She dreams. Nothing else is there. She leaves, no goodbye. Anything and anyone, including the story teller, are simply filler. The tune could be her finest. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:31:43 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy It's true Bobification, you are just so dang macho. You too Pazman, db >>> 10/25/2006 3:30 PM >>> What can I say? Like Michael Paz, I'm so dang macho I have no problem wearing my feminine side on my sleeve. And on a whole 'nuther note, I just took the plunge and booked my trip to San Diego to see Dave & Robin and their Joni birthday Tribute show Nov. 4 - - whoo-hoo!! Bob NP: Nick Drake, "Three Hours" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:44:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Marcie Nobody said it was a happy song that I remember. The thread began when I posted that I found it part of the life cycle of things, like the seasons and dropping of leaves. I was mostly complimenting Joni's imagery. She can make a seemingly sad situation seem acceptable and part of life. Jerry > I don't understand how anyone could see this as a happy song. To me it's > about as sad as it gets, though not terminal. > I especially love the version from the Second Fret despite the little > flub on the guitar. > > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: joni currency, There's "dreaming on our dimes," Marianne. Plus that "quarter in the Wurlitzer." That's worth at least 35 cents. Mwah, - --Smurf - ----- Original Message ---- From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:57:59 AM Subject: joni currency, Catherine wrote: >A dollar and a half. >Or eighteen bucks. I love these references. Are there any other references to currencies in joni's songs? - - --- Les Irvin wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Cynthia >How much are your skate rentals? > >>A dollar and a half. >>Or eighteen bucks. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:57:46 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Well...I certainly don't like these kind of personal attacks..too easy and cheap. I don't like unkind people..I don't care which side of the aisle they are from. Also..she has a lot of baggage ..voting record..philosophy...why not go after legitimate stuff like that...instead of getting personal. I haven't been following that race very closely..thinking that she was a sure thing. I did watch a part of the debate between them recently. No..Jerry..I'm not for this at all. >And not a word about her Republican opponent John Spencer's sexist remarks, >Bree? In the past week alone: > >Hillary was "ugly" when she was younger, "I don't know why Bill ever >married >her" and she must have had "Millions of dollars of work done on her lately. > >"As long as I don't call her a lesbian, I'm Okay. > >To which she responded that she was "cute" in high school, and asking "Do >you want to check for scars?" > >I think that was a class response to a sexist boor. > >Jerry > > > > > > I really...really.. don't know of any TRUE conservative that would vote >for > > Hillary. But I do know a few people on the left who will have to hold > > their nose when they cast that vote for her in a couple of weeks. I'm >sure > > it was moderates who put her in..Jerry..and it didn't help she didn't >have a > > very good opponent that year she won. > > > > > > Hillary started out with a very noble cause ..children. But she >subverted > > that cause..imo..because she politicized it. ...like everything she >does. > > Many ..many years ago..Hillary's real heartfelt concern became an > > experiment for a much bigger goal.....socialism. > > > > If you haven't..please read....Barbara Olson's..Hell To Pay. Things I > > didn't like about Hillary ...that I have always felt...Barbara conveys >and > > documents so well. > > > > > > It's not bull ..Laura...read.. > > > > judge for yourself.. > > > > > > Bree > > > > > >> Jerry wrote:: > >> > >> Let's just say that your description of HRC is a subjective, personal > >> opinion. The majority of New Yorkers, who voted her as Senator, and >will > >> do > >> so again, disagree with you. And my home town of Buffalo, a very > >> conservative, middle class, blue collar town, voted for her in droves >and > >> she is very popular there. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Let it snow let it snow let it snow in Buffalo... I agree with you >Jerry. > >> I thought Bree's opinion was interesting though. If she was a >democrat, I > >> might listen more closely to what she says about Hillary because I >would > >> be > >> sure she had turned Rush Limbaugh off and didn't buy the bull. > >> > >> Love, > >> Laura > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash >with > > Live Search! > > >http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en- > > US&source=hmtagline _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #401 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------