From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #400 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 400 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [NJC] Rufus! London! Paris! Judy! Let's DO IT AGAIN! ["Richard Goldman" <] Re: Joni and God/dess, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Barack Obama [LCStanley7@aol.com] njc, Barack Obama [] Re: Marcie [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Marcie [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Feeling.... [Paul In MD ] Re: joni & god [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy [Smurf ] RE: njc, Barack Obama ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Feeling.... ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy [Nuriel Tobias ] njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Is Joni REALLY doing a new album??? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: njc, Barack Obama [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:56:26 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: [NJC] Rufus! London! Paris! Judy! Let's DO IT AGAIN! Rufus! London! Paris! Judy! Let's DO IT AGAIN! Rufus will once again perform the legendary 1961 Judy Garland Carnegie Hall concert with a full orchestra under the direction of Stephen Oremus. He will visit the historic London Palladium where Judy Garland performed over 68 times on February 18, 2007. L'Olympia in Paris, another famed venue played by Judy, will host the show on February 20, 2007. Rufus will once again perform this renowned program in its entirety. Tickets will go on sale November 3, 2006. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:22:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and God/dess, njc Isadora wrote: Liebfraumilch? How many glasses was that again? I'll take the Blue Nun... no glasses please, just the bottle... in another life time of course. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:51:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Jerry wrote:: Let's just say that your description of HRC is a subjective, personal opinion. The majority of New Yorkers, who voted her as Senator, and will do so again, disagree with you. And my home town of Buffalo, a very conservative, middle class, blue collar town, voted for her in droves and she is very popular there. Let it snow let it snow let it snow in Buffalo... I agree with you Jerry. I thought Bree's opinion was interesting though. If she was a democrat, I might listen more closely to what she says about Hillary because I would be sure she had turned Rush Limbaugh off and didn't buy the bull. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:55:09 -0700 From: Subject: njc, Barack Obama Patti, I'm curious. Did you know that Obama has long supported Lieberman and has called him his "mentor?" Has Obama now disassociated himself from his support of Lieberman? If he has it does kind of make me think Obama is playing politics just like the rest of them. Obama also used to be somewhat respectful of Bush (not that he agrees with him but he didn't go for Bush's jugular in the past and was all for "democracy" in differences of opinion) but now you have posted some stuff that seems to show Obama is getting in on the Bush bashing. Here are some links reporting his support of Lieberman. Yes, it was a few months back but I wonder if he has changed his position? http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16408750&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=566835&rfi=6 http://ex-donkey.mu.nu/archives/166079.php http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:14:21 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie Jerry wrote: After several listens I asked what she thought of it, and she thought it such a sad song. Funny. I always found it sort of Autumnal, like the seasons, so not sad at all. Hi Jerry, LOL I let a non-Joni fan listen to Marcie because that is her boss' name. She had the same impression, that it is a sad song. Maybe this is typical of people who aren't that into Joni. I don't hear it as a sad song either. I like your "Autumnal" analogy... yes, that is much more the way I hear it, very colorful somewhat commonplace experiences. I really get into the Hudson River part. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy At the end of the song Marcie is going west again, or so someone heard. Apart from the literally moving to the west definition and the obvious looking for new opportunities one (and also the 70's going west expression that meant joining the San Francisco utopia which probably isn't what Joni/Marcie had in mind) going west (for Native Americans) simply means to die (going to the place where the sun sets) and it is sometimes also used in modern slang as an expression for becoming a prostitute. I think that the NYC era in Joni's life (Marcie as well as most of STAS) is what the lyric "I was born and raised in NYC" (My Secret Place) about. Artists often refer to the place/time where they made their big first mark (as well as the place/time left it's mark on them) as their birth place. Em, in case the "Whoever Marcie is" you mentioned earlier is Marcie from the song (and not Jerry's friend), then Marcie is Joni. Joni said that she is Marcie but she didn't want to name her Joni so she named her Marcie after a London girl she knew. She also said that she chose the name Marcie because she wanted a two-syllable name - as Joni is. Nuri (a two-syllable nick name):) - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:28:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie Bob wrote: I'm with ya, Em - it's killer sad. With lines like: "Dust her tables with his shirt and Wave another day goodbye" So much lonely and desolate imagery, rain and cold and grays. LOLLLLL whoa, and I just said maybe seeing it as a sad song is typical of people who aren't that into Joni. Sorry guys! I see it more as "loner" imagery rather than lonely. I've always taken it to be about a woman who wants to be pinned down to a man but not really... like Joni seemed to live back then. The song was supposed to be about Marcie who she met overseas but who had lived close to her in NYC without them having met, but it didn't turn out that way Joni said. At least that is what I remember of Joni talking about the song. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:34:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396, njc Bree wrote: I'm curious...do you like Joni because she is magical or are you a witch who just happens to like her music? Do more witches appreciate her music then non-witches? Hi Bree, So, are you a good witch or a bad witch? Representing the Lolly Pop Guild, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... Leo Sayer, Long Tall Glasses from 1975 Just goes to show that not all 70's songs became classics. Paul In MD - -- repository of useless 70's trivia Patti Parlette wrote: ... because I can't dance very well (you know I can't dance, you know I can't dance...) (who sings that?) - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: joni & god Catherine > wrote: --- Paul In MD wrote: "I think she uses bits and pieces of various religions to form her own religion" "That's how it looks to me." I'll take it further and say that God is what happened right after Emmy May came back a bottle blonde and right before the gossips had a gourmet feast. Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy - --- Nuriel wrote: > going west (for Native Americans) simply means > to die (going to the place where the sun sets) and > it is sometimes also used in modern slang as an > expression for becoming a prostitute. Is that what the Village People were getting at in "Go West?" > Joni said that she is > Marcie but she didn't want to name her Joni so she > named her Marcie after a London girl she knew. She > also said that she chose the name Marcie because she > wanted a two-syllable name - as Joni is. > > Nuri (a two-syllable nick name):) Forget it, Nuriel. "Nuri's faucet needs a plumber" just doesn't have the right ring to it. - --Smurfy (a two-syllable nickname) . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:54:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, Barack Obama Kakki wrote: > >Patti, > >I'm curious. Did you know that Obama has long supported Lieberman and has >called him his "mentor?" Has Obama now disassociated himself from his >support of Lieberman? If he has it does kind of make me think Obama is >playing politics just like the rest of them. Obama also used to be >somewhat respectful of Bush (not that he agrees with him but he didn't go >for Bush's jugular in the past and was all for "democracy" in differences >of opinion) but now you have posted some stuff that seems to show Obama is >getting in on the Bush bashing. Here are some links reporting his support >of Lieberman. Yes, it was a few months back but I wonder if he has changed >his position? > >http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16408750&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=566835&rfi=6 > >http://ex-donkey.mu.nu/archives/166079.php > >http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/ > >Kakki > Dear Kakki: No, I did not know about this at all. Thank you for telling me! I will have to learn more. Life is for learning. Many people have disassociated themselves from Lieberman. Who is he? What does he stand for? I'm sorry...but in my opinion, he only stands for himself, and keeping his seat. Just my two anima cents rising. I just skimmed your links (I'm very tired and only just logged in after a long day, my only channelled aspiration was to wish Mags a happy b/day) but I feel compelled to write back to you immediately. I feel the need to apologize to you and Bree. Politics is ugly business...to tell you the truth, I hate it! But it is where things happen, and so that's where we need to be if we are really going to give peace a chance. I love and respect you and Bree, and whenever I write something political, I feel terrible knowing that it might bother you. I really do. When my Dad died, you wrote me the best email. I treasure it. Maybe I'm still in that weird grief zone, where nothing seems real and you're disconnected from reality. But at the same time, "I gotta be me" and express myself. All I want is peace, love, and understanding. If you only knew where I have been (in a dark cafe, repressed and oppressed for so many years, tethered to a depressed and mentally ill husband, trying like HELL to keep my family together and raise my sons right) you might understand a little better. I was so damned timid, but I am finally finding my voice and my spirit. My husband put me down all the time ("you think you're so smart", "you think you're so funny", "you'll never get a job", "you're such a selfish f#$%ing bitch", etc.) So please take me as I am, and know that I never ever ever mean to hurt you or Bree or anyone else. That is so not who I am. ("you just like to upset everyone", another old tape in my head.) Holy merde. Sorry for oversharing. I guess I just had to get that out. Love and peace, from the bottom of my heart, Patti P., wondering if I should just put this in my draft box, or click "send" Send!!!! P.S. Thank you, Sherelle, for telling us in that French cafe to just "be who you are." You are my heart. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:00 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... Thank you, Paul! Actually, our sweet Emiliano sent it to me, too. I love Emiliano. He's alive and well in Spain. I hope he doesn't mind that I shared this with you. (I hope you don't mind, I hope you don't mind, that I put down in words....) Love, Patti P., whacking out in CT, and hoping Cassy is doing better >From: Paul In MD >To: Patti Parlette >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:44:40 -0700 (PDT) > >Leo Sayer, Long Tall Glasses from 1975 >Just goes to show that not all 70's songs became classics. > >Paul In MD >-- repository of useless 70's trivia > >Patti Parlette wrote: >... because I can't dance very well (you know I can't dance, you >know I can't dance...) (who sings that?) > _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: njc, Feeling....Marcy Smurf wrote: I wrote: "Nuri (a two-syllable nick name):)" "Forget it, Nuriel. "Nuri's faucet needs a plumber" just doesn't have the right ring to it." LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! FORGOTTEN! You remind me of the famous plumber's motto, Smurfy: "Your crap is my family's bread & butter". "--Smurfy (a two-syllable nickname)" You know, sweetheart, I, on the other hand, can very clearly see YOU buying a bag of peaches. Love you, Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:25:28 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, bon anniversaire, Mags! Bon anniversaire, chere Mags! Our very own prairie girl in Oh, Canada. Songs to a prairie girl. May your songs always be sweet. Joni Tic: Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet.......... Oui, oui. That's what I wish for you, ce soir, et toujours. Sorry that I'm running behind the times, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Is Joni REALLY doing a new album??? Bob.Muller wrote: "And it's certainly withing the realms of possibility that she'd do an unplugged-intimate show with Blade like the one she played at the Gene Autry Museum" Oh that was such a great show, i just have to express my gratitude to you again for sending me the CD. BTW, is Joni open taping? - --------------------------------- There's so many recordings of her live shows out there (since her very early shows up to God knows when) that it seems like she and or her management don't have a taping policy. Or does she prefer that people do not tape the shows? or is it ok as long as they don't sell the recording in the future? Nuri - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:07:48 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama I really...really.. don't know of any TRUE conservative that would vote for Hillary. But I do know a few people on the left who will have to hold their nose when they cast that vote for her in a couple of weeks. I'm sure it was moderates who put her in..Jerry..and it didn't help she didn't have a very good opponent that year she won. Hillary started out with a very noble cause ..children. But she subverted that cause..imo..because she politicized it. ...like everything she does. Many ..many years ago..Hillary's real heartfelt concern became an experiment for a much bigger goal.....socialism. If you haven't..please read....Barbara Olson's..Hell To Pay. Things I didn't like about Hillary ...that I have always felt...Barbara conveys and documents so well. It's not bull ..Laura...read.. judge for yourself.. Bree >Jerry wrote:: > >Let's just say that your description of HRC is a subjective, personal >opinion. The majority of New Yorkers, who voted her as Senator, and will >do >so again, disagree with you. And my home town of Buffalo, a very >conservative, middle class, blue collar town, voted for her in droves and >she is very popular there. > > > > > >Let it snow let it snow let it snow in Buffalo... I agree with you Jerry. >I thought Bree's opinion was interesting though. If she was a democrat, I >might listen more closely to what she says about Hillary because I would >be >sure she had turned Rush Limbaugh off and didn't buy the bull. > >Love, >Laura > > _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:31:14 -0700 From: Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Hi Patti: > No, I did not know about this at all. Thank you for telling me! I will > have to learn more. Life is for learning. Thank you for responding! > I feel the need to apologize to you and Bree. No need at all to apologize for your opinions, but I appreciate your sensitivity toward people. > Politics is ugly business...to tell you the truth, I hate it! But it is > where things happen, and so that's where we need to be if we are really > going to give peace a chance. I love and respect you and Bree, and > whenever I write something political, I feel terrible knowing that it > might bother you. I really do. Don't worry about it. I think Bree and I both have written a lot that many of our family, friends and lovers do not vote the same as we do politically. (in my case it's around 90% Democrat/liberal in all groups). We certainly don't let that put barriers between us. It's not like we live in a bubble and don't hear other view points. Then again, when views are put out there in the group, we sometimes like to throw in our own 2 cents. > When my Dad died, you wrote me the best email. I treasure it. Maybe I'm > still in that weird grief zone, where nothing seems real and you're > disconnected from reality. It's O.K. - it is a process and it really takes awhile. I'm still not all there, either, but that is life. > But at the same time, "I gotta be me" and express myself. And you do, very creatively! > If you only knew where I have been (in a dark cafe, repressed and > oppressed for so many years, tethered to a depressed and mentally ill > husband, trying like HELL to keep my family together and raise my sons > right) you might understand a little better. I was so damned timid, but I > am finally finding my voice and my spirit. My husband put me down all the > time ("you think you're so smart", "you think you're so funny", "you'll > never get a job", "you're such a selfish f#$%ing bitch", etc.) Oh that is so sad. From what I sense from you, you have really come a long way from overcoming that kind of negativity and abuse. I do understand, Patti. I have had similar experiences to overcome. And overcoming is always, always the way to go. Thank you for sharing and for at least responding. People should not be afraid to have dialogue. I truly have been taken with Obama as have a number of Republicans I know. My mother is half in love with him. We all want to believe, you know. Most people hate politics. I know from working with some members of Congress on both sides many years ago that they are their own breed and are, for the most part, not the shining knights in armor or Joan of Arcs that the publicity political machines may make them out to be. Still we all have hope that some of them look out for our interests at least some of the time. Take care, Kaki\ki > _________________________________________________________________ > Get today's hot entertainment gossip > http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #400 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------