From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #398 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 25 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 398 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni & god [] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396 [Lady Isadora ] Re: Subject: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) [Benedicte] Re: Joni word of the week [LCStanley7@aol.com] John Michael Talbot, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: joni & god [Paul In MD ] Joni Wembley 83 [MattJones ] NJC Re: joni & god [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Wembley 83 [waytoblue@comcast.net] Interesting JM.com web question #4,493 - njc [Les Irvin ] it ticks, away it goes, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: njc, Feeling.... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Interesting JM.com web question #4,493 - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" <] Re: njc, Feeling.... [Em ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: njc, Feeling.... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Monastery (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: njc, Feeling.... [Em ] RE: NJC - Feeling... ["Sherelle Smith" ] Fw: njc, Feeling.... [Em ] RE: Joni word of the week ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni and religion (sjc? not sure, sorry!)now njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: HAPPY B-DAY MAGS!!! & Hejira clip download ["Sherelle Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:16:07 -0700 From: Subject: joni & god Ron wrote: "i have no doubt at all that she has glimpsed & understands the nature of god. but i still dont get the sense or feeling that she has experienced the power & presence of god in that intense & personal way. ive been trying to put into words how it feels - but i cant. bet joni could tho :-)" I think I know where you are coming from and know it is hard to put into words. I think that even if she did have that experience, she might also be at a loss for words. Had a similar discussion with a friend last week where we were wondering how one can articulately or adequately convey their own intense God experiences to others. Both of us felt that such experiences were nearly impossible to convey and also often something very personal that one would not be particularly inclined to try to share with others. It was part of a larger topic regarding people who are always spilling their spiritual guts, so to speak, with any audience in front of them. Seemed to us that those who probably had the most real and deepest experiences were probably the most quiet about them. So it may be impossible for us to really know about Joni based on only her many chatty interviews and her lyrics. We would probably have to spend a lot of time with her to get a good sense of it all. And even then, who knows? I do think a long talk about it with her would be tremendous, however ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #396 JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:39:35 -0400 >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Subject: Joni & The Holy Tree >"I don't know who I prayed to. I addressed it to the Christmas tree. I >said 'I am not a cripple, not a cripple, not a cripple. I'm going home for >Christmas. If I can pull this off, I'll make it up to you.'" >- -Joni Mitchell >She made a vow to the little Christmas tree that decorated her hospital >room that if she got better, she'd do something special in life. She got >better; the rest is history. At least that's the way I remember it. >- -Anne Bayin, Joni's childhood friend Joni would have made a great Druidess-- or a great Witch. Praying to a sacred tree at Yuletide, chanting a little healing spell on herself... she was/is a natural. Mother Nature is full of polarities and dualities, and obviously She can be cruel as well as kind-- one can say that then She's in Her Crone or Destroyer aspect (about to enjoy Her annual run as the Hallowe'en Hag in a neighborhood near many of you), since Life cannot thrive unchecked-- there must always be limitation and pruning to make room for new life. Survival of the fittest and all. One could say that in the above healing experience Joni found the Goddess in herself, so to speak, and used it, consciously or unconsciously, being strengthened all the more by overcoming such adversity with the force of her own will to rise up and walk away from her own polio, making even greater magic with her life on a much grander scale later on. But then, that was no mean feat of hers, either, I'd say, back by the childhood Yule/Xmas tree. I've always found Joni to be very magical. >>...to walk again. > >And more importantly for Joni....DANCE! >Bob My thoughts exactly! ;-) May your steps be joyful in the Lady's Dance of Life! Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com "Well-behaved women rarely make history." - --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:52:45 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Subject: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) Hi Benedicte Thanks for coming along to the gig! Make sure you say hello next time too. It would have been nice to meet a new jonilister. It was a pity you had t go, as we all hung around for a long while chatting away in the back corner. I have very mixed feelings about that gig. It seemed to go down quite well, despite the fact that we chose some very quiet songs to play amongst the more rocky ones. Of course we had no idea what it sounded like out front, but unfortunately the sound on stage was the worst I've ever known. It was an indestinct mush. Our violinist couldn't hear herself (which is a bit tough on intonation and tuning!). I couldn't really hear the lower strings on my guitar at all. Although everything was loud, it was so indestinct, it was like playing with cotton wool filling my ears; I was literally going by touch and memory most of the time. The same goes for Strings - she couldn't hear anything clearly enough to pitch to. All in all, a total nightmare on stage, and we just hope that it didn't sound too amateurish out front. How do the other performing listers deal with foldback on stage? Things are usually not too bad when playing at low levels, but once you get the drums in, it all seems to become much more of a problem. I'm always worried about pissing off the soundman while he's trying to get a FOH balance, but I'm wondering whether I should start being very pushy about foldback. Also, does it solve anything as an acoustic guitarist to buy an acoustic guitar amp.? Martin. > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:44:16 +0100 > From: Chris Marshall > Subject: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) > > Please excuse the shameless plug :) > > We're playing *tonight* (23rd) in London at the Vibe Bar on Brick Lane. > The evening starts at 8pm, and we're up at 9.30 for about 45 mins. > If any of our London friends can make it, it'd be great to see > some of you and catch up. > > Full address: > The Vibe Bar, The Old Truman Brewery, 91-95 Brick Lane, London, > E1 6QL. > > Oh yeah... it's free too :) > > - - --Chris Marshall > > chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ > - -------------------------- > > > Hi Chris - I was there! > > I enjoyed it a lot. I've noticed that we use the word 'intense' a lot on > this list for music of the right kind, and I though it was very intense. I > have to say I like bands with violins. > > I wold have liked to hear it someplace with better sound though. You can > tell that there is a lot in the lyrics, and it was a bit frustrating that > you couldn't always hear what she sang. I liked the venue, but I guess the > room is just not ideal for music. > > But on the whole, I enjoyed it a lot. I don't know how long I'll still be > around (in the UK), but I hope to be able to hear you again. > > I should have come up and said hello, but I had to rush off. Plus I'm > always embarrassed to talk to people about their music anyway...! I don't > think you saw me, but I was sitting at the front corner of the bar, close > to where the 'bear' guys / organisers were hanging out some of the time. > > So, thanks for a nice evening! > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:01:25 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Joni and God/dess and us Hi Lady! Just to clarify: I WAS alluding to you when I said everyone seems to think Joni has the same religious beliefs as themselves - of course it's an exaggeration because you didn't say she is a devoted goddessworshipper. I did read your response with interest, I know nothing about goddess worship and wouldn't onw how to read any references to it in her songs. Ron was the only one who said he has a close relationship to God which he thinks Joni does not - so my comment "How Dare you think you are more enlightened" was to him. My other comment was about Joni herself - I think people identify or sympathise a lot with her, that is why many emails will say 'I'm sure Joni would agree with me'. Ha, it gives a new perspectiveon 'I see something of myself in everyone'... Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2006 12:38:51 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Subject: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) On Oct 25 2006, Martin Giles wrote: >Hi Benedicte > > Thanks for coming along to the gig! Make sure you say hello next time > too. It would have been nice to meet a new jonilister. It was a pity you > had t go, as we all hung around for a long while chatting away in the > back corner. > > I have very mixed feelings about that gig. It seemed to go down quite > well, despite the fact that we chose some very quiet songs to play > amongst the more rocky ones. Of course we had no idea what it sounded > like out front, but unfortunately the sound on stage was the worst I've > ever known. It was an indestinct mush. Our violinist couldn't hear > herself (which is a bit tough on intonation and tuning!). I couldn't > really hear the lower strings on my guitar at all. Although everything > was loud, it was so indestinct, it was like playing with cotton wool > filling my ears; I was literally going by touch and memory most of the > time. The same goes for Strings - she couldn't hear anything clearly > enough to pitch to. All in all, a total nightmare on stage, and we just > hope that it didn't sound too amateurish out front. > > How do the other performing listers deal with foldback on stage? Things > are usually not too bad when playing at low levels, but once you get the > drums in, it all seems to become much more of a problem. I'm always > worried about pissing off the soundman while he's trying to get a FOH > balance, but I'm wondering whether I should start being very pushy about > foldback. Also, does it solve anything as an acoustic guitarist to buy an > acoustic guitar amp.? > >Martin. > - --------------------- Hi! I didn't know there were more stryngers on the list...! yeah I wish I could have stayed - next time you gig we perhaps we can get everyone from the lsit together, that would be fun (dont know if anyone else was there?) I didn't think it sounded amateurish at all, I thought it sounded like it could have been an amazing concert, given the right conditions. It was quite obvious that the sound was a problem for everyone. An added problem is that when the sound isn't working, people in the background start talking - which only makes matters worse. It's a pity because I like the venue, it has good atmosphere. In any case, I'm glad I went, I enjoyed it a lot, despite the sound! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:48:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni word of the week In a message dated 10/24/2006 11:52:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: Any banana? >Banyans 1. [n] a loose fitting jacket; originally worn in India. 2. [n] East Indian tree that puts out aerial shoots that grow down into the soil forming additional trunks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:18:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: John Michael Talbot, njc Here are pictures from earlier this month of the monastery and community John founded that I'm a domestic sister in. The lady holding the baby is John's wife Viola. _http://web.mac.com/johannapauline/iWeb/Site/gathering%20bsc.html_ (http://web.mac.com/johannapauline/iWeb/Site/gathering%20bsc.html) Enjoy! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: joni & god Not sure if anyone's chimed in with this, but included on the Woman Of Heart And Mind dvd Joni talks about this incident. She states that she talked to "the tree" and I just assumed it was some sort of mythical tree god. She also talks in another extra about Job questioning God and she says "... and I think he SHOULD be questioned ..." (emphasis hers). I think she uses bits and pieces of various religions to form her own religion of sorts -- heavy on native American spirituality though. I also think Joni would like it that this thread is titled "Joni & god" and not the other way around. ;) Paul In MD -- who's running way behind this morning because none of his Yahoo Jonilist mail came through yesterday and I read way too long this am -- wonder if I can take a Patti Parlette-like JMOCD sick day today? Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: to walk again> Every time I've read or heard that story she's stated that she prayed to the Christmas Tree in her room and not to God. She probably realized at an early age that if there was a God with any powers he would never inflict such pain & suffering upon an innocent child. (I guess if you're Shinto then praying to a tree would equate with praying to God.) I tried to search the library for an article but the search engine wasn't working. Reminds me of Lance Armstrong's reply when someone asked him about whether he was thanking God for curing him of his testicular cancer - he said he didn't give God any thanks because then he'd also have to blame him for giving him the cancer in the first place. Bob Joni, "Refuge Of The Roads" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I'll use the same technique to pass it on. > First person to hit me up ON THE LIST will receive a copy, then you should pass > it on to to someone else. > > Thanks! > Matt, Athens GA > > > rats live on no evil star > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:49:36 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Interesting JM.com web question #4,493 - njc - -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia How much are your skate rentals? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:06:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Interesting JM.com web question #4,493 - njc Either they have a river they want to skate away on or they want to be one of the skaters on Wollman Rink, I suppose. In any case, bid high and hope that they pay up. 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Cassy shared: a little overwhelmed with all that has to be accomplished in a short space of time in my world... as though having a raffle with my house as first prize is the only way it will move in Michigan right now... melancholy and missing my companion who is now living in Everett Washington... like listening to "Blue" all day long over and over... - --------- Hey, HEY, H E Y ! ! Cassy, ma cherie. I've got the urge for going to interrupt your sorrow. Now, this is very lame, so please just take me as I am, okay? (The cheesy Joniphile who stands alone, caught in a crowd when no honeys will come on to her, clapping to give peace a chance.) I used to sing this song and do a little tap dance in the streets of Rouen, France, during my junior year abroad (many dim years ago), whenever a friend got sad or homesick. (Homesick, as in: Oh it gets so lonely When you're walking And the streets are full of strangers All the news of home you read Just gives you the blues Just gives you the blues) No, no -- that's not the song I sang. It's the one that comes next. It always worked, because I can't dance very well (you know I can't dance, you know I can't dance...) (who sings that?) but I would try to be Fred Astaire anyway and would sing (LOL...me, the chirp!): Gray skies are gonna clear up Put on a happy face Wipe off the clouds and cheer up Put on a happy face Spread sunshine All over the place And put on a happy face See, I'm really not a good singer or dancer, and it would come out soooo bad, that the sad person and I in France would end up kissing on Main Street, laughing and crying (you know it's the same release) in fits of tears and giggles on the sidewalk, with our eyepaint running down! (That's a true story, by the way.) ( Love is a story told.) Did that work? No? Merde! Let's try this then: The same song, but a JMOCDed version: This moody sky today will go away Happiness is the best face lift It's cloud's illusions that you recall Happiness is the best facelift. So spread sun through yellow curtains All over the place And put on a happy facelift Is that better? Now you take that melancholy and find the comfort in it. You KNOW there's comfort in melancholy! Joni said! Be glad that your blues don't make you too scared to feel. And be *glad* you have someone to miss, and someone who misses you. Darn right. Sometimes I think love is just mythical -- not to mention a repetitious danger -- but you seem to have the solid love. How many people have that right now? I don't know. I really don't know. Big hug, and lots of love to anyone who needs it, Patti P. Pollyanna Flip City, CT P.S. *Now* see what you've done? You've given me an acute JMOCD attack at work, and everyone around me is going to have to suffer through it. Ha! I pity the fool who next walks into my office. "My feeling is that there is nothing in life but refraining from hurting others, and comforting those that are sad." -- Olive Shreiner, South African author and feminist _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:37:41 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: it ticks, away it goes, njc 817 days til that person, it leaves the White House. I implore, as Patti does, all to get out and vote and attempt to instill in anyone that seems to have any conscience or desire for change the necessity to do likewise in the soon to be elections. Much at stake and perhaps not too late it is. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:06:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... A new librarian started work here. Here name is Marcy. One day I started singing it and she said she had never heard it. She went to Itunes and downloaded it. After several listens I asked what she thought of it, and she thought it such a sad song. Funny. I always found it sort of Autumnal, like the seasons, so not sad at all. Just a passing, like leaves turning brown, falling from the trees, and blown away by a cool wind. Part of life, not really sad. I guess that I've long been Jonified. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Interesting JM.com web question #4,493 - njc - --- Les Irvin wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia > How much are your skate rentals? > A dollar and a half. Or eighteen bucks. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:48:17 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Hi Gene, I like your idea. I am a believer in "stranger things happening" so I'll keep my eyes open. I just received an email from Barack Obama via John Kerry's mailing list so I think something is already starting to happen. Sherelle Gene wrote: > > strong ticket for 08-----mc cain/obama. it means mc cain leaving the >gop but stranger things have happen. >obama is inspriational and mc cain has a good heart. >later, gene >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:18 PM >Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama > > >>Hi Sherelle...and all... >> >>I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why >>would he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright >>shining star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? She may >>need him..but he sure as heck doesn't need her. She is a >>shrill...cunning..power-grabbing...cold-blooded person...that is her >>nature. To her power is everything and whatever it takes ..whoever she >>has to destroy...it's all part of the game to gain that power. He's >>above that...not his character! Sherelle..I encourage you to read a book >>called: Hell To Pay..by the late Barbara Olson. It's a real >>eye-opener...and all documented. (copious sources & footnotes) Most >>people are probably saying..well.. aren't all politicians are like that? >>Nooooooo...not like her...nothing to that degree of chutzpah...the >>operational mentality of a Mac truck. >> >> >>Forgetting that he is a U. S. senator..just as a human being...he's seems >>decent...reasonable...and kind....things she is not. >> >>No...I believe he's in the driver's seat. >> >> >>Bree >> >>PS. Remember ..she wants that big dog position... she has already been >>there in that number two spot...she's been there done that. >> >> >>>Hi Patti my friend, >>> >>>He said that after this mid-term election was over, he would have to sit >>>down and see where he would be "most useful". He told a story about >>>Benjamin Franklin using this term to explain to his mother why he chose >>>to go into politics when he was talented in other areas. It sounds like >>>in the light of this swell of public interest, he has sped up the >>>process. >>> >>>I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe >>>that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that >>>would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat >>>as candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. >>>It just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas >>>so I will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. >>> >>>Sherelle >>> >>>Patti wrote: >>>> >>>>Bon dimanche soir! >>>> >>>>I'm running behind the times again and now trying to catch up. >>>> >>>>Sherelle wrote: >>>> >>>>>Did you see him talk about where that title came from? His pastor. I >>>>>really like it too! I agree with everything you are saying. When he was >>>>>on Charlie Rose, he had to break off his conversation about his mom >>>>>because he was getting too emotional about it. I feel that! I lost my >>>>>mother at the same age he lost his but just years before he did. I too >>>>>felt that my mother had so much more life in her. Anyone who has lost a >>>>>parent at a young age can relate. I applaud him because he's taken his >>>>>grief and turned it into a celebration of everything his mother means >>>>>to him. Very touching! >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yes it is. >>>> >>>>This may have already been reported, but since I'm on digest I don't >>>>know. I just heard that he is now thinking of running in 2008. He told >>>>Tim Russert in February that he will not run. But this morning Russert >>>>asked him if it was fair to say that he was considering running, and >>>>Barack said something like "that would be fair." >>>> >>>>What wonderful news! >>>> >>>>"Compasson is not religious business, it is human business, it not >>>>luxury, it is essential for our own peace and mental stablitity, it is >>>>essential fof human survival." -- Dalai Lama >>>> >>>>The beginning of survival! >>>> >>>>With audacious hope, >>>> >>>>Patti P. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash >>>with Live Search! >>>http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Use your PC to make calls at very low rates >>https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx >> >>!DSPAM:144,453d244c15161250978958! >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:50:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) Hi Chris! How did everything go? Sherelle Chris wrote: Please excuse the shameless plug :) We're playing *tonight* (23rd) in London at the Vibe Bar on Brick Lane. The evening starts at 8pm, and we're up at 9.30 for about 45 mins. If any of our London friends can make it, it'd be great to see some of you and catch up. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... I've always found that song devestating in its sadness. It used to really wipe me out. Em - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Notaro To: Joni List Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:06:43 PM Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... A new librarian started work here. Here name is Marcy. One day I started singing it and she said she had never heard it. She went to Itunes and downloaded it. After several listens I asked what she thought of it, and she thought it such a sad song. Funny. I always found it sort of Autumnal, like the seasons, so not sad at all. Just a passing, like leaves turning brown, falling from the trees, and blown away by a cool wind. Part of life, not really sad. I guess that I've long been Jonified. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:04:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Kate, you make a very good point. Well said! I'm ready for both parties to start working together to find solutions to our country's problems. I cannot tell you how tired I am of everyone being wounded politically because of different views. Politics are a very personal conviction and to discount that in another human being in my opinion, is to discount them. There has to be a way that we can debate our differences in the spirit in which it was always intended without degrading and demoralizing our opponent. No one party can be right all the time. That's why this country has a check and balance with two (or more) parties. We both need each other to make this country great. I pray that one day the bi-partisan bickering will end and that we as a nation understand this. Love, Sherelle Kate wrote: Just saw an interview with him tonight. He is the only candidate as far as I am concerned... I hope he runs... I also think it is wonderful that both bree & kakki have good things to say about obama... he certainly has the potential to unite... our country & our world... _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... I'm with ya, Em - it's killer sad. With lines like: "Dust her tables with his shirt and Wave another day goodbye" So much lonely and desolate imagery, rain and cold and grays. Bob NP: The Grateful Dead, "Althea" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:22:33 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The Monastery (NJC) Hi my dear friend! Hoping this finds you well! I think I get that channel so I am going to try to check it out. I think it would be very interesting! Love, Sherelle Gary wrote: I've never been a fan of reality shows but I discovered one that I found quite interesting. Did anyone catch this one? It's called "The Monastery" and is broadcast on Sunday evenings on The Learning Channel. The first episode just aired last Sunday. It's about five men from different backgrounds who are invited to spend 40 days and 40 nights with 30 Benedictine Monks at the Monastery of Christ in the Desert in New Mexico. Here is a link for anyone interested: http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/monastery/monastery.html?clik=tlc_leftnav Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... and just human pain. I just really feel (due to Joni's amazing songwriting) the heartbreak and grief and raw need in combination with the necessity of putting one foot in front of the other and continuing with life. Thinking about it now, nearly 30 years after I used to regularly listen to it, I can just hope it was temporary loss-fueled sadness, as opposed to depression that would last a person's whole life. (maybe) So maybe Jerry's sense of a seasonal thing ended up being true in the sense that it went away as time passed. One hopes. That Marcy, whoever she is, didn't get into tragic relationships over and over. ouch! - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Em Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:16:29 PM Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... I'm with ya, Em - it's killer sad. With lines like: "Dust her tables with his shirt and Wave another day goodbye" So much lonely and desolate imagery, rain and cold and grays. Bob NP: The Grateful Dead, "Althea" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:30:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: NJC - Feeling... Hi Cassy, We're always just an email away so you never have to feel alone. There's a lot of love coming your way always! I'm so sorry that you are caught in this housing bubble. Now I know someone who it is affecting directly. Please take heart and do what you need to do to sell that house. Let the music be a catharsis for you my friend. It's all right. Remember what Joni says, "There's comfort in melancholly...when there's no need to explain...it's just as natural as the weather in these moody skies today..." Love, Sherelle Cassy wrote: a little overwhelmed with all that has to be accomplished in a short space of time in my world... as though having a raffle with my house as first prize is the only way it will move in Michigan right now... melancholy and missing my companion who is now living in Everett Washington... like listening to "Blue" all day long over and over... as though John Hiatt would be a good listening choice too... In fact I'm going to put it on now Cassy NP: Feels Like Rain - John Hiatt _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Fw: njc, Feeling.... - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Em To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:26:21 PM Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... and just human pain. I just really feel (due to Joni's amazing songwriting) the heartbreak and grief and raw need in combination with the necessity of putting one foot in front of the other and continuing with life. Thinking about it now, nearly 30 years after I used to regularly listen to it, I can just hope it was temporary loss-fueled sadness, as opposed to depression that would last a person's whole life. (maybe) So maybe Jerry's sense of a seasonal thing ended up being true in the sense that it went away as time passed. One hopes. That Marcy, whoever she is, didn't get into tragic relationships over and over. ouch! - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Em Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:16:29 PM Subject: Re: njc, Feeling.... I'm with ya, Em - it's killer sad. With lines like: "Dust her tables with his shirt and Wave another day goodbye" So much lonely and desolate imagery, rain and cold and grays. Bob NP: The Grateful Dead, "Althea" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:35:50 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Joni word of the week "Banyans", a powerful word around here... In this tropical island culture where I live the banyan tree, a rather strange plant that, instead of a trunk, has as it's base instead, the loosely intertwined roots which then shoot out as the branches as well. a wierd looking thing, especially at night. The locals believe that their local spirits, called 'tautaumona' which means 'ancient ones', live in these trees and that they must 'show respect' if they pass by asking permission because if they don't the spirits will make them or their children sick. They also believe that these spirits visit their homes at night and leave bruises on them or their children which many attest to seeing. Another belief they have is that the tautaumona may come to you and ask to be your 'friend' and that they cannot refuse. people thus affected have been known to go out for no reason and live in the jungle and also to exibit great strength but they will be overcome with pain if they come anywhere near a Christian church. 'Banyans'... Cheers, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:40:56 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and religion (sjc? not sure, sorry!)now njc No, you are not boring everyone to death. I may not always respond but I do try to read everyone's posts. You make some very intersting points and I will think about them. Sherelle Benedicte wrote: - - --------------------------- Hey, thanks for some interesting emails today! I know I should have known better than to say that you can draw your own lines between Christian love and erotic love, and that Jesus drew that line differently from where many Christians draw it. However... Surely, there is a fundament of agape in all kinds of love? What I mean is: I guess eros is also desire, so it cannot be agape because agape is unselfish. But there is agape in eros because you give yourself away. If there is ever a time when you feel forgiving and loving and unselfish and kind it's when you are in love. I find it strange that so many Christians are so strict about premarital sex - I can see why some people think it's a bad idea, but I also see something utterly un-christian about teaching people to withhold love and affection. Isn't that what Jesus was trying to say in some passage where he said about a prostitute that she will reach the kingdom of heaven before the rest of them, because she has loved a lot? Christianity may not be about eros, but I think falling in love is the closest many people get to experience agape, although not entirely undiluted. I love Nick Cave's 'into my arms' for that link between being in love and, well, feeling almost religious. I quote it below, but I guess one has to listen to it. I also think that is why so many people love Corinthians.. eerrrr.. 1.13? - and that they are not entirely wrong to think that it is about romantic love. God I hope I'm not boring anyone to death with this.... Agape...! Benedicte _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:55:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: James Taylor tickets, NJC You see Augusto, this is why I don't even bother to look at the entertainment section of the paper any more...it hurts to much to know what I'm missing! I live in the area but I can't afford to go to any concerts right now. Alas, I don't have any spare tickets but I am hoping that you will find a way. Is it sold out? Sherelle Augusto wrote: Hi, everyone! I will be in Washington DC on Nov. 6 and 7, I was wondering if anyone has spare tickets for JT's recitals for those dates. All the best, Augusto _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:56:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni word of the week - NJC We have banyan trees here in St. Petersburg along the waterfront. They are mystical trees. We have a freeze about every 15 years here and they get damaged and many have died over the years. Jerry > "Banyans", a powerful word around here... In this tropical island culture > where I live the banyan tree, a rather strange plant that, instead of a > trunk, has as it's base instead, the loosely intertwined roots which then > shoot out as the branches as well. a wierd looking thing, especially at > night. > > The locals believe that their local spirits, called 'tautaumona' which > means 'ancient ones', live in these trees and that they must 'show > respect' if they pass by asking permission because if they don't the > spirits will make them or their children sick. They also believe that > these spirits visit their homes at night and leave bruises on them or > their children which many attest to seeing. Another belief they have is > that the tautaumona may come to you and ask to be your 'friend' and that > they cannot refuse. people thus affected have been known to go out for no > reason and live in the jungle and also to exibit great strength but they > will be overcome with pain if they come anywhere near a Christian church. > 'Banyans'... > > > Cheers, > > Pat > > -- > "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." > http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ > -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:58:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: HAPPY B-DAY MAGS!!! & Hejira clip download Happy Birthday Mags!!!! May you have many more! Pat, thanks for the Heijira clip! It takes a while to download on "Ole Bessie" but I will try to see it! Sherelle Pat wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you MAGS and many happy returns!!! Also here is a freebee Hejira clip download for all Jonibuds! http://www.yousendit.com/download/%2BcZGIdFEUTk%3D Cheers, Pat _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:00:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni word of the week Hey, maybe THAT'S who Joni was praying to that day in the hospital... Bob NP: The Allman Brothers, "Jessica" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:29:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama WARNING: STRONG POLITICAL CONTENT Dear Ones: Maybe McCain wouldn't have to leave the GOP? I know in my state all lines are blurred these days. We've got "Creeperman", who still dares to calls himself a "devoted Democrat", now running for the Senate as an Independent, taking 15 million (more or less) in Republican money. You just have to laugh (or cry) because it's all so crazy. Was it Abraham Lincoln who brought in all kinds of people (not in his party) to help run the country? ("I don't know much about history....") All the *experts*, no matter what party affiliation. (Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote about it, if memory serves....). It shouldn't be so hard to do! Remember that recent Frontline (2003: The Year in Iraq, or some such title), when it was reported that this administration only brings in people who swear loyalty to Bush and his values? No matter their qualifications. (Think: "Heck of a job, Brownie!", Scooter, and all the other frat boys.) You know what Barack said the other day? "I wouldn't fit in with this administration [because I think] actually being informed is a good basis for policy," Obama said to laughter. LOL! You tell 'em, brother! Heart and humour and humility. What we want, babies, he's got it! It's in this snippet: "Barack Obama: 'I Inhaled  That Was The Point' "I inhaled  that was the point." That was what Illinois Senator Barack Obama, currently on a book tour that may or may not segue into a run for the 2008 presidency, said to New Yorker editor David Remnick this afternoon at the American Magazine Conference, after Remnick asked Obama whether or not his admission of drug use in the book would become problematic if he does, if fact, run for president. The softspoken Obama, who during an appearance on Meet The Press yesterday admitted he would consider a run for the White House, openly criticized the Bush administration in front of 500 or so magazine executives during a wide-ranging, 45-minute discussion, occasionally with Remnick's prodding. "This is the most ideologically driven administration in my memory, so obstinate in resisting facts, dissenting opinions ... [They entered the White House] with a set of preconcieved notions." Obama said. "I think this administration has done great damage to this country." "I wouldn't fit in with this administration [because I think] actually being informed is a good basis for policy," Obama said to laughter. "OK, that's a low-blow."" (That was from http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/magazines/barack_obama_i_inhaled_that_was_the_point_46068.asp ) And don't forget my friend the General! Generally speaking, I think Wesley Clark would be good, too, although I've heard he would only accept being #1. I guess Generals are like that, no? . They like to be the boss of everybody? Sorry for the politics, amigos, but with only 13 days to go until the election, I am hot hot blazes these days. For every political post I write, there are 50 more that I don't. Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. I just got back from dropping off my two old ladies' absentee ballot applications at a nearby town hall, where I broke down in tears. There was a bulletin board called "Wall of Honor" and there were twelve pictures of young, fresh-scrubbed faces in military uniforms. Twelve kids from this little New England town serving their country. It's a small town, I don't know how many, but it's small. Twelve sons. I could see Casey Sheehan and, there but for the grace of God, Christopher and Michael and Nate and James and Matthew. Will these kids come home in one piece? When? (NPIMH: David Crosby screaming: "Why? How many more?"). Good God. And people say "people like me" don't support the troops. Why the *F#$K* do they think we want to end the war? AAAAAAARGH!!! (Sorry, but I'm feeling contempt so I'm gonna tell it!) > >Hi Gene, > >I like your idea. I am a believer in "stranger things happening" so I'll >keep my eyes open. I just received an email from Barack Obama via John >Kerry's mailing list so I think something is already starting to happen. > >Sherelle > > >Gene wrote: >> >> strong ticket for 08-----mc cain/obama. it means mc cain leaving the >>gop but stranger things have happen. >>obama is inspriational and mc cain has a good heart. >>later, gene _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #398 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------