From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #394 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 24 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 394 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and God/dess [Lady Isadora ] Re: Real or fake? SCANS! [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: STAS ["P. Henry" ] London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] HBO on demand documentary about kid musicians NJC [Em ] Joni Mitchell Complete [Alice Brown ] Re: Joni and god [Alice Brown ] njc, Barack Obama and political pundit Sherelle ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama [Jerry Notaro ] njc, Barack and Sherelle and now mostly Neil Young ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni and religion ["ron" ] joni & god ["ron" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama [LCStanley7@aol.com] Rolling Stone article on the upcoming album [Bob Muller ] Opinions re Regina Spektor njc [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni and God...? and that fake picture! ["P. Henry" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["Sherelle Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Joni and God/dess JMDL Digest wrote: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:17:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bob Muller >Subject: Re: Joni and God...? ... >God goes up the chimney - like childhood Santa Claus >(One comes to discover that God is a myth, just like good old Kris >Kringle) As a longtime Goddess religionist, who was already a young priestess since before Joni wrote this song, it was clear to me at once from various lines in the lyrics that she was commenting on the feminist Goddess scene at the time-- as an interested and informed observer, if not necessarily ever as a participant. Though for all I know, she may have at least dabbled in it, or perhaps had friends in it. The "God goes up the chimney" line should be seen in this context. Women weren't just discovering that God is a myth, we were discovering that there had documentably been a Mother Goddess (Mother Nature, Mother Earth, etc.) before there was a Father God, not only among the Jews, but among all peoples ; that Mary, Mother of Jesus, can be seen as one face of the ancient pre-Judeo-Christian Great Goddess (which at gut she represents to many people anyway, even if she's not accorded such status officially by the Vatican); that "myth" doesn't have to mean "fiction", even if it isn't literally true; that "deity" doesn't have to mean something or someone above and beyond and remote and apart from Nature, but IN Nature. All this was heady and empowering stuff back in the '60s and '70s. It still is! ;-) >The good slaves love the good book >(People who are sucked in by religion use their respective texts to >rationalize their behavior). So true, but the next line, "a rebel loves a cause", can also be seen specifically in the context of feminist Goddess religion, and the zeal of many women in it for its own "bibles", such as Elizabeth Gould Davis' *The First Sex* and Merlin Stone's *When God Was A Woman*, as widely-read replacements for the "good book".... >Of course this is not the point of DITS, but it's inserted in this song >about feminism to describe how women are marginalized and >subjugated by most, if not all religions. Women are definitely not marginalized and subjugated by ALL religions-- certainly not by Goddess religion, which was already thriving again at the time Joni wrote this song, and has been growing manifold by joyous leaps and bounds ever since. >And that's my Sunday sermon for today. Pass the collection plate & >give it to Pat so he can buy that fake picture. >Bob Not sure what you mean about the fake picture-- obviously there's something here I've missed-- but at any rate, here's my Moon-day sermon, then... and if we pass the collection plate, how 'bout we chip in on some lovely if not particularly clandestine Liebfraumilch? How many glasses was that again? ;-) Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com "Well-behaved women rarely make history." - --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Real or fake? SCANS! According to their eBay profile, the buyer, "smebd", is located in the U.S., and you can email them from this link: http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=smebd&redirect=0&iid=230039392986 Doug wrote: $257.52 Though I'm no Art Expert, I'm guessing that this is a JM original. I see similarities in some small details, but not in more obvious parts. Why would someone copy it anyway, when they already had the original cover? Except to make a large poster sized version, which this is not. Anyone taking bets? Fess-up time. Who's got it? Doug P. Henry wrote: > To whom it may interest, sorry to those naysayers but I gotta say it. > (Les) I'm convinced. this IS Joni's first (or maybe second or third) > draft, there's no doubt in my mind and I predict someday it will sell/be > valued at thousands! Just look at the scans! > > Cheers, > > Pat > > -- > "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." > http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ > -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:30:17 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: STAS Joni consistantly referred to the album title as "Song To A Seagull" in interviews prior to it's release. Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - ------------------------------------- "The official Warner/Reprise release title is "Joni Mitchell". "Song To A Seagull" was part of the original artwork and wound up positioned under the "Joni Mitchell" titling added to the front cover by the record company, so many people commongly refer to that as the title." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:44:16 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) Please excuse the shameless plug :) We're playing *tonight* (23rd) in London at the Vibe Bar on Brick Lane. The evening starts at 8pm, and we're up at 9.30 for about 45 mins. If any of our London friends can make it, it'd be great to see some of you and catch up. Full address: The Vibe Bar, The Old Truman Brewery, 91-95 Brick Lane, London, E1 6QL. Oh yeah... it's free too :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: STAS Wow! Interesting. Sheds a whole new light for me. "P. Henry" wrote: Joni consistantly referred to the album title as "Song To A Seagull" in interviews prior to it's release. Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - ------------------------------------- "The official Warner/Reprise release title is "Joni Mitchell". "Song To A Seagull" was part of the original artwork and wound up positioned under the "Joni Mitchell" titling added to the front cover by the record company, so many people commongly refer to that as the title." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: HBO on demand documentary about kid musicians NJC Was wondering if any of you had caught this movie that's playing on HBO (we caught it on their "on demand" channel) called "I Got The Music In Me". http://www.hbofamily.com/programs/whole_family/music_in_me_01.html OMG I was so delighted! These kids are wonderful. I've been amazed before at genius kids, but these kids, some of them were on a whole 'nuther level. I think its because they play music pertinent to their ethnicity, instead of *just* classical or *just* vocals. I loved seeing the pride they naturally had for "their" music. I.e. the one little latin music kid on that flute. WHOA!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot wait to hear more from her. I love her band and the kind of music they play. Not sure what that music even is. Its Cuban sounding, to me - the flute and all. Its a small band and its not salsa or "son" and its not heavily drim based. Its gorgeous. Then the little cajun accordian fellow. His energy and love are infectious. Thats the thing about these kids. There was no one pushing them to talk about their music. It was very clear how driven these kids are to play their instrument. The one little trumpet guy said he'd play all night if they let him. I can't tell you how refreshing this was. I don't think that what I've said here constitutes a "spoiler" for this movie....since its not a plot, per se. I recommend this mightily, for those who might need a breath of fresh air where the future is concerned - it bodes well for the future. :) em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:13:32 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: STAS Funny thing is, though Song To A Seagull is and always has been my favorite album by far, by anyone, since I was 12 years old, I saw the title in the seagulls but never noticed until recently, when it was mentioned, that a few letters were cut off. I still have my old vinyl copy and sure enough, it is so. Doug did I use enough commas? J Kendel Johnson wrote: > Wow! Interesting. Sheds a whole new light for me. > > "P. Henry" wrote: > Joni consistantly referred to the album title as "Song To A Seagull" in > interviews prior to it's release. > > Pat > > > -- > "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." > http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ > -- > ------------------------------------- > "The official Warner/Reprise release title is "Joni Mitchell". > "Song To A Seagull" was part of the original artwork and wound up > positioned under the "Joni Mitchell" titling added to the front cover by > the record company, so many people commongly refer to that as the title." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Joni Mitchell Complete Hey You! (JoniBuds) Laura wrote: >What a GIFT the Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar Songbook Edition, is! >Thank you Joni!!!! I've only heard about this book on the list. Is the "corrected" version available now? What had to be corrected? Most earlier songbooks did not have accurate music (showed how to "play" the songs in standard tunings, etc.). Does the songbook contain all of her albums, and is the music all accurate? Love, Alice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Re: Joni and god Hey You! Kakki wrote that Joni calls herself a Buddhist. I find that exciting and thrilling for a number of reasons: 1. I always saw Joni as non-religious in practice but plagued by religious (catholic type) guilt. I hope she is now free of it. 2. I am an atheist, not a Buddhist or anything, but.. I find that meditation is tremendously helpful, and it has been proven scientifically to be beneficial mentally, emotionally, and physically. I'm emotionally intense like Joni, and it is a great thing, but also quite a burden in many ways. I think that meditation, and other Buddhists lines of thinking can be helpful for countering many of the negative effects of being emotionally intense. Hey Joni, you go girl!! You deserve peace and health AND FREEDOM!! Love, Alice Kakki wrote: There are articles and interviews spread out over the years where Joni discusses her childhood and adult religious beliefs. As a child she did sing in the choir at, I recall, a Presbyterian church. In articles from about 10-15 years ago, I recall her saying her spirtuality was influenced by a mix of Christian, Buddhist and Native American beliefs. Recently I heard she calls herself a Buddhist. Yet she also still celebrates Christmas. So I think you can say she does have spiritual beliefs but does not follow any one established religion or dogma. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:14:55 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Barack Obama and political pundit Sherelle Sherelle wrote: I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat as candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. It just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas so I will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. - --------------- Chelsea Morning, Sherelle et tout le monde! LOLI just have to laugh, 'cause it's all so crazy: Sherelle Smith -- sweet (song)bird you are, now political pundit! Oui, on verra, je suppose. (Yes, we will see, I suppose.) (I know you love French.) Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze Listen! Strains of Neil Young Coming through the snow and the pinewood trees Maybe its a woman, or a black man after all.maybe its Obama, but he thinks that hes too young. I googled to find an audio version of that that song (Looking for a Leader) for you, and then stumbled, happily, on a great video clip of Neil & company working on it during the Living With War recording sessions. You can see and hear the choir of 100 voices practicing, and then later Neil and friends talking about Barack Obama. Its pretty funny..theyre trying to get his name right. Neil mentions Barack Obama, and someone says: Who? It sounds like Ossama! and someone else says: Who? Iraq Obama? And Neil says: No, its Barack OBAMA. And then: His time may be sooner than he thinks. Yeah! Bring him on! If you have time on your hands, check it out here: http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html Its on the right, 8th one down. (Gee, some good stuff here.wish I had more free time!) Hey, wouldnt it be awesome if Joni shared her upcoming recording sessions on her very own website? You may say Im a dreamer.. Nah, I dont suppose she will. What did she say about computers? Not mentally healthy or something? And Sherelle, back down to you, I thought of you this morning when I saw Denyce Graves on the Today Show. She was asked: What is the highest compliment someone can give you? And she replied: That someone is moved by my music. So, this seems like the perfect time to tell you once again, that I am moved by your music, particularly You Are My Heart. Gets me everytime! In all kinds of Sherelle Smith swirling sychronicity, I also thought of your Do What You Love when I saw this quote in the book I am currently reading (Speak Peace in a World of Conflict by Marshall B. Rosenberg - great book!): Dont ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go and do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.  Harold Whitman Alive, alive! (back down to JMOCD, comme toujours) Love, Patti P. P.S. I'm ccing Mary here....Mary M and Patti P and Sherelle S....the alliteration sisters of Strawberry Fields. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:56:36 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: London listers - shameless Stryngs gig plug (NJC) Wish I could be there Chris. Yall have a great gig and I look forward to catching up next year! Love Donna >>> Chris Marshall 10/23/2006 5:44 AM >>> Please excuse the shameless plug :) We're playing *tonight* (23rd) in London at the Vibe Bar on Brick Lane. The evening starts at 8pm, and we're up at 9.30 for about 45 mins. If any of our London friends can make it, it'd be great to see some of you and catch up. Full address: The Vibe Bar, The Old Truman Brewery, 91-95 Brick Lane, London, E1 6QL. Oh yeah... it's free too :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:08:50 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Reminder: Vote for your favorite Logo! Yes, my friends, it's time to vote for your favorite Jonifest 2007 logo! Thanks to all who sent in entries, and good luck to all of you! Rules: 1) Go to: _http://jonimitchell.com/jonifest/logocontest.cfm_ (http://jonimitchell.com/jonifest/logocontest.cfm) 2) Click on the link at the bottom to vote for the logo you like best! 3) Please, only 1 vote per person!! 4) All votes must be in by midnight, November 2nd, EST. Also, if you haven't signed up for Jonifest yet, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?? There have been several people asking for singles. If you haven't signed up yet because there aren't any singles available, you can e-mail me with a request to be put on a waiting list in the event some open up, which they probably will. (First priority will go to those already signed up who are on the waitlist.) Hugs, Ashara _www.jonifest.com_ (http://www.jonifest.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:50:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: njc, Barack Obama and political pundit Sherelle What a beautiful, beautiful post Patti...and yes I love French! It's like drinking sweet wine every time I hear it or see it written! Thank you! What a great Joni lyric you inserted into this thread! Wow! Perfect! Yes it is crazy because you know how I steer clear of politics! Even now I tread very softly. Politics are such a personal matter in my opinion and I want so much to always respect everyone's beliefs and opinions even if they differ from mine. I'm glad you can also see the possibility of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama running together on a ticket. As you said, we shall see. One good thing about this whole thing is that it has sparked an interest in me again that has been numb and unconscious for a long time. On a personal note, Denyce Graves has hit the nail on the head. Being able to touch others with what you do is the most gratifying thing in the world. What started out as something simply for posterity has now grown into a real mini-CD. I recorded what I could and it has touched your life. I'm so glad for that and you have truly made my day. There is so much more to come and I am persuaded to do it or die trying.I truly feel that everyone here in Joni-land is responsible for that hope. You gave me the opportunity to sing again with "A Tape of You" and even though it was A Cappella, it awoke something deep in my soul and gave me hope to perform again. It was the inspiration for recording this CD Patti. The effort was truly "Joni-inspired". Then I met wonderful musicians and people in the business like Kate Bennett, Michael Paz, Fred Simon, David Lahm, Gary Z, Laura C, Marianne, Chuck E, Les Irvin, Chris Marshall, Claudia San Soucie and so many more that I don't want to forget. Every person on this board has been such an inspiration in me being able to take a stand and say that I'm a musical artist. It just feel so good and I thank you all. My life will never be the same because of you. And you dear Patti...words fail me my friend. Thank you for just being you and loving Joni's music so much! That is also an inspiration. "Love life"....that is my creed and desire. To be able to come out of the darkness and love life is the greatest thing any of us can ever achieve. The passage below was absolutely beautiful and inspiring Patti, thanks for sharing! It will take a while with my slow computer but I will definitely watch the Neil Young video clip. What a funny lead in story!!! Now they've got me mixing poor Barack's name up!!!(smile) With much love and gratitude, Sherelle ("Strawberry Fields Forever...") Patti wrote > >Sherelle wrote: > >I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe >that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that >would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat as >candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. It >just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas so I >will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. >--------------- > >Chelsea Morning, Sherelle et tout le monde! > >LOLI just have to laugh, 'cause it's all so crazy: Sherelle Smith -- >sweet (song)bird you are, now political pundit! > >Oui, on verra, je suppose. (Yes, we will see, I suppose.) (I know you >love French.) > >Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock >They're either going to thaw out or freeze > >Listen! > >Strains of Neil Young >Coming through the snow and the pinewood trees > >Maybe its a woman, or a black man after all.maybe its Obama, but he >thinks that hes too young. > >I googled to find an audio version of that that song (Looking for a >Leader) for you, and then stumbled, happily, on a great video clip of Neil >& company working on it during the Living With War recording sessions. >You can see and hear the choir of 100 voices practicing, and then later >Neil and friends talking about Barack Obama. Its pretty funny..theyre >trying to get his name right. Neil mentions Barack Obama, and someone says: > Who? It sounds like Ossama! and someone else says: Who? Iraq Obama? > And Neil says: No, its Barack OBAMA. And then: His time may be >sooner than he thinks. > >Yeah! Bring him on! > >If you have time on your hands, check it out here: > >http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html > >Its on the right, 8th one down. (Gee, some good stuff here.wish I had >more free time!) > >Hey, wouldnt it be awesome if Joni shared her upcoming recording sessions >on her very own website? You may say Im a dreamer.. >Nah, I dont suppose she will. What did she say about computers? Not >mentally healthy or something? > >And Sherelle, back down to you, I thought of you this morning when I saw >Denyce Graves on the Today Show. She was asked: What is the highest >compliment someone can give you? And she replied: That someone is moved >by my music. > >So, this seems like the perfect time to tell you once again, that I am >moved by your music, particularly You Are My Heart. Gets me everytime! > >In all kinds of Sherelle Smith swirling sychronicity, I also thought of >your Do What You Love when I saw this quote in the book I am currently >reading (Speak Peace in a World of Conflict by Marshall B. Rosenberg - >great book!): > >Dont ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come >alive, and then go and do that. Because what the world needs is people who >have come alive.  Harold Whitman > >Alive, alive! (back down to JMOCD, comme toujours) > >Love, > >Patti P. > >P.S. I'm ccing Mary here....Mary M and Patti P and Sherelle S....the >alliteration sisters of Strawberry Fields. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get today's hot entertainment gossip >http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:18:07 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Hi Sherelle...and all... I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why would he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright shining star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? She may need him..but he sure as heck doesn't need her. She is a shrill...cunning..power-grabbing...cold-blooded person...that is her nature. To her power is everything and whatever it takes ..whoever she has to destroy...it's all part of the game to gain that power. He's above that...not his character! Sherelle..I encourage you to read a book called: Hell To Pay..by the late Barbara Olson. It's a real eye-opener...and all documented. (copious sources & footnotes) Most people are probably saying..well.. aren't all politicians are like that? Nooooooo...not like her...nothing to that degree of chutzpah...the operational mentality of a Mac truck. Forgetting that he is a U. S. senator..just as a human being...he's seems decent...reasonable...and kind....things she is not. No...I believe he's in the driver's seat. Bree PS. Remember ..she wants that big dog position... she has already been there in that number two spot...she's been there done that. >Hi Patti my friend, > >He said that after this mid-term election was over, he would have to sit >down and see where he would be "most useful". He told a story about >Benjamin Franklin using this term to explain to his mother why he chose to >go into politics when he was talented in other areas. It sounds like in the >light of this swell of public interest, he has sped up the process. > >I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe >that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that >would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat as >candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. It >just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas so I >will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. > >Sherelle > >Patti wrote: >> >>Bon dimanche soir! >> >>I'm running behind the times again and now trying to catch up. >> >>Sherelle wrote: >> >>>Did you see him talk about where that title came from? His pastor. I >>>really like it too! I agree with everything you are saying. When he was >>>on Charlie Rose, he had to break off his conversation about his mom >>>because he was getting too emotional about it. I feel that! I lost my >>>mother at the same age he lost his but just years before he did. I too >>>felt that my mother had so much more life in her. Anyone who has lost a >>>parent at a young age can relate. I applaud him because he's taken his >>>grief and turned it into a celebration of everything his mother means to >>>him. Very touching! >>> >> >>Yes it is. >> >>This may have already been reported, but since I'm on digest I don't know. >> I just heard that he is now thinking of running in 2008. He told Tim >>Russert in February that he will not run. But this morning Russert asked >>him if it was fair to say that he was considering running, and Barack said >>something like "that would be fair." >> >>What wonderful news! >> >>"Compasson is not religious business, it is human business, it not luxury, >>it is essential for our own peace and mental stablitity, it is essential >>fof human survival." -- Dalai Lama >> >>The beginning of survival! >> >>With audacious hope, >> >>Patti P. >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with >Live Search! >http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:43:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Let's just say that your description of HRC is a subjective, personal opinion. The majority of New Yorkers, who voted her as Senator, and will do so again, disagree with you. And my home town of Buffalo, a very conservative, middle class, blue collar town, voted for her in droves and she is very popular there. BTW, I've searched all day with no success for the source of your quote from Whoppi Goldberg that "Newt is my man." I seriously doubt she ever said it, considering Gingrich called for a boycott on her when she criticized Bush at a Radio City Hall function. Jerry > Hi Sherelle...and all... > > I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why would > he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright shining > star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? She may need > him..but he sure as heck doesn't need her. She is a > shrill...cunning..power-grabbing...cold-blooded person...that is her nature. > To her power is everything and whatever it takes ..whoever she has to > destroy...it's all part of the game to gain that power. He's above > that...not his character! Sherelle..I encourage you to read a book called: > Hell To Pay..by the late Barbara Olson. It's a real eye-opener...and > all documented. (copious sources & footnotes) Most people are probably > saying..well.. aren't all politicians are like that? Nooooooo...not like > her...nothing to that degree of chutzpah...the operational mentality of a > Mac truck. > > > Forgetting that he is a U. S. senator..just as a human being...he's seems > decent...reasonable...and kind....things she is not. > > No...I believe he's in the driver's seat. > > > Bree > > PS. Remember ..she wants that big dog position... she has already been > there in that number two spot...she's been there done that. > > >> Hi Patti my friend, >> >> He said that after this mid-term election was over, he would have to sit >> down and see where he would be "most useful". He told a story about >> Benjamin Franklin using this term to explain to his mother why he chose to >> go into politics when he was talented in other areas. It sounds like in the >> light of this swell of public interest, he has sped up the process. >> >> I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe >> that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that >> would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat as >> candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. It >> just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas so I >> will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. >> >> Sherelle >> >> Patti wrote: >>> >>> Bon dimanche soir! >>> >>> I'm running behind the times again and now trying to catch up. >>> >>> Sherelle wrote: >>> >>>> Did you see him talk about where that title came from? His pastor. I >>>> really like it too! I agree with everything you are saying. When he was >>>> on Charlie Rose, he had to break off his conversation about his mom >>>> because he was getting too emotional about it. I feel that! I lost my >>>> mother at the same age he lost his but just years before he did. I too >>>> felt that my mother had so much more life in her. Anyone who has lost a >>>> parent at a young age can relate. I applaud him because he's taken his >>>> grief and turned it into a celebration of everything his mother means to >>>> him. Very touching! >>>> >>> >>> Yes it is. >>> >>> This may have already been reported, but since I'm on digest I don't know. >>> I just heard that he is now thinking of running in 2008. He told Tim >>> Russert in February that he will not run. But this morning Russert asked >>> him if it was fair to say that he was considering running, and Barack said >>> something like "that would be fair." >>> >>> What wonderful news! >>> >>> "Compasson is not religious business, it is human business, it not luxury, >>> it is essential for our own peace and mental stablitity, it is essential >>> fof human survival." -- Dalai Lama >>> >>> The beginning of survival! >>> >>> With audacious hope, >>> >>> Patti P. >>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with >> Live Search! >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en >> -US&source=hmtagline > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use your PC to make calls at very low rates > https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:48:30 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Barack and Sherelle and now mostly Neil Young With much love and gratitude, Sherelle ("Strawberry Fields Forever...") wrote: It will take a while with my slow computer but I will definitely watch the Neil Young video clip. What a funny lead in story!!! Now they've got me mixing poor Barack's name up!!!(smile) - ----------- then me again: Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze Listen! Strains of Neil Young Coming through the snow and the pinewood trees Maybe its a woman, or a black man after all.maybe its Obama, but he thinks that hes too young. I googled to find an audio version of that that song (Looking for a Leader) for you, and then stumbled, happily, on a great video clip of Neil & company working on it during the Living With War recording sessions. You can see and hear the choir of 100 voices practicing, and then later Neil and friends talking about Barack Obama. Its pretty funny..theyre trying to get his name right. Neil mentions Barack Obama, and someone says: Who? It sounds like Ossama! and someone else says: Who? Iraq Obama? And Neil says: No, its Barack OBAMA. And then: His time may be sooner than he thinks. Yeah! Bring him on! If you have time on your hands, check it out here: http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html - ------ (Who do I think I am, Kitty Wells, replying to myself? LOL...had to repost that so the rest here will make sense) : Now my P.S. to all that above. I got to see a few more of those clips and I'm in heaven! Wow! I'm not a musician so I've never had the honor and the priviledge to see a work of music in progress and I'm awestruck. Sherelle, wait until you hear and see the 100 people in the choir, all singing for peace. Goosebumps!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you're going to see them yourself, you may want to skip my following comments. WARNING! (what's that called? oh, yeah...spoiler alert?) SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! I got to hear some of the other conversations, too. Fascinating. And some really funny. I transcribed some of the conversations incorrectly at first....sorry about that....rushing at work. On the "Looking for a Leader" one Neil also says that Barack Obama "is a like a real shining light" and someone else says he's from Illlinois and another musician says he's "a bad motherf#$%er...I don't know if he'd take the gig." Made me laugh! On the writing of "Let's Impeach the President" Neil says something like he didn't *want* to write this song, but it *ate* itself into his brain like a rat. Interesting way to say how the muse just grabs you like that! The clip on "Living with War" made me actually cry. It usually does anyway, but *seeing* those 100 voices singing, and the imagery at the end.... And then on another (Restless Consumer, I think) one of the musicians says something like "that's a lot of information.....cool"....."I'm absorbing a lot of information" "f@#$ you, motherf@#$er" "I got goosebumps and tears...the tears just fall out of your f#$%in' face" and Neal says something like: "yeah, I had tears and snot all over my face and Pegi came in with a towel and had to wipe me off." Wow. Powerful stuff. Words cannot express how glad I am that he put this all together for us. He rocks my soul to the core. Love and peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:57:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Bree wrote: > >I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why >would he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright >shining star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? - ----- Hi Bree! I agree with you that he does not need HRC. He can carry the whole thing by himself. Plus she could taint his message, his purity. Humble makes pure. Let's keep it pure and humble. So refreshing! Plus some people have a *really* strong and visceral dislike of Hillary. Do you know anyone who feels that way? LOL...just teasin' you, honey! Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:06:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni and religion hi >>>>benedicte wrote: > ---------------------- I looked it up, charity translates Latin caritas > which renders Greek agape which designates Christian love. An on-line > etymological dictionary suggests caritas is deployed to avoid the sexual > connotation of amor. So, depending on where you draw the line....! Seems > to me that Jesus drew it differently from many Christians nowadays. one of the problems of the king james bible is that its not direct from the greek, but is via the latin. in the original greek there are three types of love mentioned in: eros - love which includes sexual love phileo - love on a friendship level agape - love on a spiritual level. it is the last one which is used in corinthians. the amplified bible translates it as "that reasoning, intentional, spiritual devotion such as is inspired by god's love for and in us" agape is also usually translated as charity in the king james bible. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:56:45 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni & god hi one of the reasons i always enjoyed jonis music is that she seems in many places to capture some of the essence of god. the logos - the word, the logic, the thoughts. unfortunately in many ways she seems to miss the rhema - the spoken, living, vital word. she can sing a beautiful song about love. intellectually - she clearly gets it. i would assume in a way far deeper than most people - certainly me. but, i have to wonder if she has ever really felt gods love, ever really experienced the love, power, and presence of god in a real & vital way that just causes praise to break forth uncontrollably. its not something vague and airy fairy - its real, intense, overpowering. she has the logos, but not the rhema....... im really surprised that no one has mentioned what is for me one of her greatest christian songs. and one which shows very clearly where she is missing the point - sire of sorrow/job's sad song. she sings the part of job & the antagonists. job doesnt know what is going on. the "vengeful, cruel, bloodthirsty god of the old testament" (as he has been called here) has taken everything - just for the sake of scoring points with satan. well - so it seems anyway - job is for me probably the most difficult & mysterious books of the bible. i really dont have a clue how god can kill his entire family & then replace them? but it seems to me that joni is stuck on the suffering of job, & never gets to what seems to me to be the point of the whole book: chapter 42 vs 2 to 6: (from the amplified bible which may not have the poetry of the king james but is essential if you want to understand the words rather than admire the form) 2. i know that you can do all things, and that no thought or purpose of yours can be restrained or thwarted. 3. [you said to me] Who is this that darkens & obscures counsel [by words] without knowledge. Therefore [i now see] i have [rashly] uttered what i did not understand; things too wonderful for me, which i did not know. 4. [I had virtually said to you what you have said to me;] Hear, I beseech you, & i will speak; I will demand of you and You declare to me. 5. I had heard of you [only] by the hearing of the ear; but now my [spiritual] eye sees you. 6. Therefore I loathe [my words] and abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. so - basically - while there is a lot about god that we in no ways will be able to understand in this life, experiencing the presence and reality of god in ones life means that we are able to know that he is real, he is love, and to trust him. i really, really dont get the killing etc that went on in the old testament. i mean, i know that it was the physical foreshadowing of the spiritual truths of the new testament, but i cant help feeling sorry for those people who suffered. but i do know that god has been incredibly good to me. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:53:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Sherelle wrote: I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe that the two of them may decide to run as a team. Hi Sherelle, Wow! That would be quite a team! I hope you are right. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Rolling Stone article on the upcoming album http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2006/10/23/joni-mitchell-reading-rudyard-kipling-working-on-new-material/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:41:47 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama strong ticket for 08-----mc cain/obama. it means mc cain leaving the gop but stranger things have happen. obama is inspriational and mc cain has a good heart. later, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama > Hi Sherelle...and all... > > I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why > would he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright > shining star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? She may > need him..but he sure as heck doesn't need her. She is a > shrill...cunning..power-grabbing...cold-blooded person...that is her > nature. To her power is everything and whatever it takes ..whoever she > has to destroy...it's all part of the game to gain that power. He's > above that...not his character! Sherelle..I encourage you to read a book > called: Hell To Pay..by the late Barbara Olson. It's a real > eye-opener...and all documented. (copious sources & footnotes) Most > people are probably saying..well.. aren't all politicians are like that? > Nooooooo...not like her...nothing to that degree of chutzpah...the > operational mentality of a Mac truck. > > > Forgetting that he is a U. S. senator..just as a human being...he's seems > decent...reasonable...and kind....things she is not. > > No...I believe he's in the driver's seat. > > > Bree > > PS. Remember ..she wants that big dog position... she has already been > there in that number two spot...she's been there done that. > > >>Hi Patti my friend, >> >>He said that after this mid-term election was over, he would have to sit >>down and see where he would be "most useful". He told a story about >>Benjamin Franklin using this term to explain to his mother why he chose to >>go into politics when he was talented in other areas. It sounds like in >>the light of this swell of public interest, he has sped up the process. >> >>I know that Hillary Clinton has aspirations of running as well. I believe >>that the two of them may decide to run as a team. If something like that >>would happen, I am just curious about who would be in the driver's seat as >>candidate for president and who would be candidate for vice-president. It >>just feels like a real possibility. I'm not an expert in these areas so I >>will just wait and see. It's just a hunch from me. >> >>Sherelle >> >>Patti wrote: >>> >>>Bon dimanche soir! >>> >>>I'm running behind the times again and now trying to catch up. >>> >>>Sherelle wrote: >>> >>>>Did you see him talk about where that title came from? His pastor. I >>>>really like it too! I agree with everything you are saying. When he was >>>>on Charlie Rose, he had to break off his conversation about his mom >>>>because he was getting too emotional about it. I feel that! I lost my >>>>mother at the same age he lost his but just years before he did. I too >>>>felt that my mother had so much more life in her. Anyone who has lost a >>>>parent at a young age can relate. I applaud him because he's taken his >>>>grief and turned it into a celebration of everything his mother means to >>>>him. Very touching! >>>> >>> >>>Yes it is. >>> >>>This may have already been reported, but since I'm on digest I don't >>>know. I just heard that he is now thinking of running in 2008. He told >>>Tim Russert in February that he will not run. But this morning Russert >>>asked him if it was fair to say that he was considering running, and >>>Barack said something like "that would be fair." >>> >>>What wonderful news! >>> >>>"Compasson is not religious business, it is human business, it not >>>luxury, it is essential for our own peace and mental stablitity, it is >>>essential fof human survival." -- Dalai Lama >>> >>>The beginning of survival! >>> >>>With audacious hope, >>> >>>Patti P. >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash >>with Live Search! >>http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use your PC to make calls at very low rates > https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx > > !DSPAM:144,453d244c15161250978958! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:30:30 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Opinions re Regina Spektor njc My boss heartily recommends this artist Regina Spektor. Any opinions about her? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:57:09 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni and God...? and that fake picture! ROFLMAO!!! Hey Bob, while I can appreciate the value, historical and otherwise, of things owned by Joni, I don't need to own them. Remember, I had the real thing. Cheers, Pat - ------------------------------ Bob wrote "...And that's my Sunday sermon for today. Pass the collection plate & give it to Pat so he can buy that fake picture." - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:31:30 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Hi Bree! Oooh! That doesn't sound very good about her. You make a very good point. He is so NOT like that in my opinion. I guess this has become a topic because her running for President has been a topic for some time now. Why do people crave power so? I'm sorry Bree, this is something I absolutely cannot understand. It makes me physically ill. I will start treading lightly again because I didn't know that about her. I've heard her make some serious verbal bloopers here and there but nothing more. Disheartening but not surprising unfortunately. Sherelle Bree wrote: > >Hi Sherelle...and all... > >I sure hope for his sake he wound't put HRC on the same ticket. Why >would he want to commit political suicide? I mean... this bright >shining star..which he is at this time..why jeopardize that? She may >need him..but he sure as heck doesn't need her. She is a >shrill...cunning..power-grabbing...cold-blooded person...that is her >nature. To her power is everything and whatever it takes ..whoever she >has to destroy...it's all part of the game to gain that power. He's >above that...not his character! Sherelle..I encourage you to read a book >called: Hell To Pay..by the late Barbara Olson. It's a real >eye-opener...and all documented. (copious sources & footnotes) Most >people are probably saying..well.. aren't all politicians are like that? >Nooooooo...not like her...nothing to that degree of chutzpah...the >operational mentality of a Mac truck. > > >Forgetting that he is a U. S. senator..just as a human being...he's seems >decent...reasonable...and kind....things she is not. > >No...I believe he's in the driver's seat. > > >Bree > >PS. Remember ..she wants that big dog position... she has already been >there in that number two spot...she's been there done that. > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #394 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------