From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #391 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 22 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 391 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Nuri & How DAAARE You!? + Rick and how dare you [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek", njc now Southern Rock [Bob Muller ] RE: Real or fake? [J Kendel Johnson ] Older recording artists ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] U.S. Department of Peace - njc [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Older recording artists ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Salvation, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Carnivale njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Carnivale njc [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: njc How DAAARE You!? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Real or fake? now njc about late willem de kooning [] poverty, njc ["Arkay" ] real or fake ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Nuri and STAS, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] STAS ["Marianne Rizzo" ] STAS ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek", njc ["patrick leader" Subject: NJC Nuri & How DAAARE You!? + Rick and how dare you >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:12:38 -0700 (PDT) >From: Nuriel Tobias >Subject: RE: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb Nuri wrote: ..... last night i was watching the Catherine Tate Show, UK listers know her, a lovely comedian, Nuri! I luuurrve Catherine Tate, and ever since I read Rick's message, I've heard this voice in the back of my head: "How DAAaaaRE you...?!" She's one of the coolest women in Britain. I wonder how many other people on the list had to think of her. In any case (this is probably more to Rick), when I wrote to Alice earlier on, something like "I guess real insight is only ever gained the hard way.." I was wondering if I sounded like I thought I was part of some hard-suffering elite who knows so much more about the world thatn anybody else. "some people suffer; and they KNOW. Some don't suffer, and they stay ignorant..." But how do you describe the compassion you can have for people who suffer that springs from you having been there yourself - how do you, at all, say that something that happens between you and somebody else is special, without saying that what goes on between other people is ordinary...? Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2006 11:46:37 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Joni and God...? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands NJC Hi JoniBuds, Benedicte wrote: >What confuses me about the US is that it seems to me that it is the > same > section of the population which is on the one hand anti-abortionist and > fundamentally Christian and on the other pro-death penalty. How do > these > things come together? I validate your confusion about this. After all, isn't god/jesus love? No!!!!! Remember that I am an atheist, so when I'm critical of god/jesus, I am only criticising a myth. But the god in the O.T., N.T., and Koran, is not loving. He says he is. But his ACTIONS show contempt for humanity, a disregard for human feelings, human life, animal life, and moral accoutability. He violated most of the ten commandments: murdered 10s of thousands of people including "civilians: women and children, stealing (pilfering), divorced Israel, covets the worship and love of humans, and "lies" says he's merciful and compassionate, but destroyed and crippled thousands for their disobidence and will torture most people forever because they don't accept his "love." So, is it any wonder that his followers talk and push for "moral values" while showing a disregard for human feelings and human life?? Makes all the sense in the "world" to me, oun intended. That's why our mostly religious world is about to destroy itself. Love, Alice P.S. The ten commandments that he didn't violate all have to do with worshiping and loving him above all else. He does a perfect job of that! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Alice! You are trying to get into trouble here! In any case, I guess he only became the God of Love after he had Jesus. The miracle of parenthood...! Is there anything we know about JM and religion? I was surprised when I heard The Sire of Sorrow / Job's Sad Song and God must be a Boogie Man (which I don't understand), because I hadn't noticed any religious references in anything else she'd written. I guess that and too much big band is where I get a bit turned off, to be honest. Not over the fact that she would be religious, it's the singing about it. Have a nice Saturday all over! Benedicte NP: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club "Gospel song" (just remembered that some people can sing about jesus without sounding cheasy) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek", njc now Southern Rock I haven't heard the Allman/Clapton track, but the Dominoes version I have heard wouldn't be. ZZ Top's earlier stuff would classify, but nothing from their MTV era would. It wouldn't be a decent Southern Rock comp without something from SC's own Marshall Tucker Band...I'd suggest some songs but there are just SO many great ones. Charlie Daniels Band (before he turned into a jingoistic cliche of course) would be a fitting inclusion. And if you want to really make it a cool comp, throw in something from the Drive-By Truckers (anything from The Dirty South or their new one Blessing & A Curse would fit). I would throw some Elvin Bishop in there too. Dagnabbit - now you've got me in the mood for some good southern ROCK. I've been musically deprived all week and having serious withdrawal. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 05:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Joni and God...? Benedicte Nielsen wrote: Is there anything we know about JM and religion? I was surprised when I heard The Sire of Sorrow / Job's Sad Song and God must be a Boogie Man (which I don't understand), because I hadn't noticed any religious references in anything else she'd written. I guess that and too much big band is where I get a bit turned off, to be honest. Not over the fact that she would be religious, it's the singing about it. Joni perhaps alluded to her state of personal religious beliefs in The Same Situation (C&S): So I sent up my prayer Wondering where it had to go With heaven full of astronauts And the Lord on death row and So I sent up my prayer Wondering who was there to hear... But in the SEVERAL instances later in which she adapts Biblical text for lyrics, they're employed as social commentary and metaphor, due to their profound place in Western culture -- like the passages she also draws on from Shakespeare and Yeats -- not a sharing of any personal religious beliefs. God Must Be A Boogie Man was adapted from text in Charles Mingus' autobiography during Joni's collaboration with him at the end of his life. I've always taken it as a painting of the dichotomy of life experience -- the successes, the trials and tribulations -- and the breadth of behavior possible for even just one man (person), and, stepping back from that painting, taking in the reality, and saying, if this is the way things go, God must be a boogie man! It think it's also a simple, meant-to-shock (many) on first appearance, and humorously ironic way of saying life's downsides -- old age, sickness, death and loss -- suck! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: RE: Real or fake? I just looked at the additional pics in the eBay seller's listing and got out my LP cover and compared. I was hopeful that the seller had a study done by Joni, but, comparing the exection of several sections -- the flowers, in particular -- it doesn't look like a study done with the same facility, inclination or style as the artist (Joni) that did the cover of JM. (I hate calling it STAS). Not even a younger Joni. I think it looks like a study done by another artist -- who knows when? I haven't read every entry about this. Have any art instructors, art historians, or other professionals weighed in on this? J "P. Henry" wrote: (My correspondence with the seller, so far...) Hi Jane, I am a member of the Joni Mitchell group where you are undoubtedly getting most of your questions about this item from It's getting a lot of airplay on our mailing list. You just might strike it rich with this one. Imagine my surprise when I was looking over the details on your auction page and noticed that, although you give your location as Bakersfield, your zip code, or the person who actually has the print, is mine also, right here in Tamuning, Guam! How about that? So... I was wondering if it would be possible somehow to see it or even scan it into a jpeg firsthand. Putting extra pics up was a good move but it might be worth your while to scan it yourself and post it full size on your auction as there is a raging discussion going on right now and, as I'm sure you've noticed, you are getting a LOT of traffic on it. It's intriguing for us Joni fans as it could just be a copy by someone or it might just be an original first-draft one-of-a-kind must-have history piece. Cheers, Pat - --------------- Thanks so very much for the info Pat but I have no clue how to scan it to the computer like that or I would. I had no clue this would make such a fuss. I have no way of telling if it's an original of hers or a good copy by a fan???? I will try to do the scan thing but I dont think it will fit on my scanner, can that hurt it? Jane - --------------- Thanks for responding Jane, I appreciate it. It sounds like it will be some hassle for you but the best would be if you could scan it (no it shouldn't hurt it if you're gentle) in sections like you did the pics and then pay for 'supersize' images on your setup. Heck, you've already sold it for $20 and I bet there will be a showdown at the end. It would be worth the trouble in dollars and cents, I'm sure, since it already is. I have sold a few things myself and, IMO, those supersize scans could definitely mean money in your pocket. BTW, I am one of those who think this just might be the real deal. Again, thanks for writing me back. Regards, Pat ps - What about that zip code? Are you really here on Guam? - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Older recording artists Despite Joni's diatribes about the music industry, and following Dylan's entry into the #1 album spot, this week's Top 5 include Tony Bennett, Jimmy Buffett, and Rod Stuart. She better get into the studio quickly to ride the latest wave! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: U.S. Department of Peace - njc This is njc, but also relevant to Joni's latest album project. The Peace Alliance (the national organization leading the campaign to establish a U.S. Department of Peace) is holding its national conference in Washington, DC February 3-5, 2007, and they're working on lining up some "big name" musical artists to lend their presence, songs and words with live appearances. Judy Collins sang and spoke at last years Peace Alliance conference, and Flea has become an outspoken proponent of the campaign  in fact, I am going to New Orleans next week to work a Peace Alliance booth at the Red Hot Chili Peppers show  and the prospect of a U.S. Department of Peace has even become a candidates debate issue in several states, so awareness and momentum are definitely building. Most importantly, there are 75 sponsors in the House and 2 in the Senate, so significant progress has been made in Congress, with much more work to do ahead, of course. Much more info available at www.ThePeaceAlliance.com I'm also pasting in a column from this past week's L.A.Times, along with a response from the Peace Alliance. In my opinion, it is truly time we become "as sophisticated in the ways we nurture peace as we are in the ways we wage war", as stated below. J Give Dept. of Peace a chance? By Al Martinez The Los Angeles Times October 16, 2006 PERHAPS you have noticed that when it comes to excess and empty noise, I am not the most tolerant person in the world. Take the subject of peace, for instance. On almost any given day, including Sundays, I receive e-mails from near and far that inform me of various peace seminars, peace retreats, peace picnics, peace dances, peace calendars and peace speeches. Interspersed are requests for volunteers to hold antiwar signs at various intersections and placards that ask for a passing horn-honk to indicate that a motorist is, after all, for peace, even though he is too busy to do more than honk. Once in a while someone like Cindy Sheehan pops up and there is a flurry of movement centered on her as she challenges war in the name of her war-killed son, but even that fades away, and her advocates disappear like birds scattered into flight. I wrote in the style of an angry dog one day recently that there was no organized peace movement of any consequence in this country and that infrequent instances of placard-carrying protesters chanting "No more war" are the equivalent of using a water gun to fight a firestorm. Then I heard from Wendy Greene. While there may not be a massive antiwar movement, she informed me, there is indeed a peace movement. She added: "Big difference." She was talking about an effort to establish a Cabinet-level U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence to achieve harmony between street gangs, spouses, nations, various ethnic and religious groups and others inclined toward maiming or killing one another. Big job. The idea was so intriguing that I met with Greene one day at Inner-City Arts, located in a large warehouse-like building in the middle of L.A.'s skid row, where she works part time. Greene is also director of outreach for the Peace Alliance, a national nonpartisan organization dedicated to the establishment of a Department of Peace. Admitting that I had never heard of either the alliance or its goal is certain to bring admonishments for my failure to keep informed. The group, I am told, has a database of about 40,000 supporters and is involved in an effort to have a bill passed in Congress to establish such a department. Now in committee, it is being sponsored by 75 members of the House and two member of the Senate. "Peace is nonpartisan," Greene declared in the bold manner of a true believer but then was forced to admit that all but one of the sponsors so far, if not all of its 40,000 supporters, are Democrats. The single non-Democrat is an independent. Given the current temper of the nation, that shouldn't surprise anyone. Greene, though only 40, could have emerged from the streets of 1960s Berkeley marching to end the war in Vietnam, such is her passion for peace. Instead, she was born into a military family. Her father is a retired Air Force colonel, her grandfather was a major general in the Air Force, her brother is a colonel in the Air Force and a cousin serves as a fighter pilot in the Marine Corps. She laughs at that and says, "I'm a warrior for peace." Being for peace is like being for apples, in the sense that just about everyone is theoretically in favor of it. But no one wants an apple with a worm in it, and, similarly, many will argue that they don't want just any kind of peace. There is this kind of peace and that kind of peace. A perfect peace, like a golden apple, might not even be possible given the aggressive tendencies of our species. There is much to be said in favor of a Cabinet-level department dedicated to a kind of ultimate serenity, but one has to wonder exactly how it would pursue its goals, short of disbanding the NRA, shutting down the Pentagon and dragging Donald Rumsfeld off in chains. Greene replied that it would have a budget roughly 2% the size of the Defense Department's and would act as a clearinghouse, "a beacon on the hill," coordinating the activities of peace workers in the field, who would be scampering about like squirrels, damping brush fires of conflict on the streets, in schools and, one supposes, wherever they would flare up. A peace academy would be established as a fully accredited university similar to West Point that would train peacekeepers in their jobs of indoctrination, advocation and mediation. As described in a more formal definition in an alliance press release, their mission would be "to research, articulate and facilitate nonviolent solutions to domestic and international conflict." While I am certainly all for peace and wormless apples, I fear that a new bureaucracy might devolve into spending time and money cranking out press releases to sustain itself through sloganeering, thereby forgetting its initial promise. Institutionalizing efforts once made through riots and sit-ins may be today's more formalized method of attaining the same ends. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Having said all of that, I remain in favor of such a department because at least its pursuit is an organized and passionate effort toward a legitimate and even desirable goal. That's a lot better than picnicking for peace on the lawn of the Federal Building or honking one's horn against a war that isn't listening. - --------------------------------- Al Martinez's column appears Mondays and Fridays. He can be reached at al.martinez@latimes.com. NOTES FROM THE PEACE ALLAINCE in response to this column: A cabinet-level Department of Peace would effectively reduce violence in our schools, communities, country, and around the world: There is currently no organized approach by the U.S. government that aims at creating nonviolent solutions to domestic and international conflict. By giving the interests of peace a full cabinet position, we make it a national priority. The Department of Peace legislation envisions a close working relationship between existing government agencies and private organizations. It would bring a new focus to peace and violence prevention lacking in our current scattershot approach. Obviously, peace work can be and in some cases already is a party of existing agencies. When such efforts are placed under one umbrella, however  such as in the establishment of our Department of Homeland Security they attain a higher level of synergy, effective coordination, and influence upon the thinking of American citizens. The establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency by Richard Nixon did not begin our commitment to the environment, yet it raised it to a much higher level of national priority. And so should it be with the interests of peace. The Department of Peace would work with the Department of Defense. Former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, speaking of his leadership during the Viet Nam War, said, We knew nothing about Vietnamese religion, psychology or culture  and we had no one to tell us. With a Department of Peace, that would never be the case. This department would be actively involved in studying the most human aspects of conflict, and applying ways to resolve them peacefully. We should be as sophisticated in the ways we nurture peace as we are in the ways we wage war. Elect peace. We cant afford not to. For a list of statistics on violence, please go to: http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/23/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Older recording artists That would be STEWART! Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > Despite Joni's diatribes about the music industry, and following Dylan's > entry into the #1 album spot, this week's Top 5 include Tony Bennett, > Jimmy Buffett, and Rod Stuart. She better get into the studio quickly to > ride the latest wave! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:28:08 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb, njc Kate wrote: Rick I have no idea what the connecting point is between what you wrote & what I wrote... so I can only wish you peace bro & leave the discussion about addiction (choice or not choice) to those who are far more capable than I am of writing about this if they care to... addiction being all manner of things including drugs- prescription or street, alcohol, food, sex, work etc Hi Kate, Adding my doctor 2 cents to this... Loss of choice to use or not to use once the substance is in a person's body is the best definition of addiction I have heard. The neuroanatomical basis of addiction is nothing new. It used to be that the mesolimbic dopamine system was thought of as "the" pathway of addiction, but now it is rather well established that other systems in the brain and upper brainstem such as the mesocortical and nigrostriatal pathways and associated non-dopaminergic feedback-loops are involved. When we cover addiction in our neuroscience course, this is what we preach to the medical students. It is possible to stop addictive behavior in rodents by cutting some of the connections of these pathways. So, theoretically, the same could be done as a "cure" in humans who might otherwise die in their addiction. Addiction is pretty generic when considering neural pathways. However, there is also the biochemical metabolism of substances that can be different in addicts versus non-addicts and contributes to the addictive process in some forms of addiction. For this reason, addiction to particular substances can vary in features and treatments. Now, my alcoholic 2 cents... I wouldn't want my neural pathways to be altered so I could drink like normal people; as an alcoholic, I see no point in that. I prefer to abstain from alcohol by surrendering to the fact that I cannot do so by my own will power but can with continued help from other sober alcoholics on a daily basis. However, if I was at the point where I was damaging most of my liver, having vascular bleeds and nearing the "wet" brain stage, surgical alteration of neural my pathways wouldn't sound that bad. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:49:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Salvation, njc A wise person wrote: For example, open a Word document and select "print" from the file menu. You'll see a button for "Save As pdf." Just follow through and there you have it. It's a static pdf, meaning you can't edit it, but you can email it as an attachment, for instance. Wow. Salvation as a pdf is dependent upon first opening a Word document and then acting like one is going to print it for others to see. And, there's no way to change what is written, but one can send it to others. Sounds strangely fundamentalist Christian to me. But, who am I to judge? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carnivale njc - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Catherine wrote: "Is there a third?" > > No season 3 for Carnivale. Bloody freaking > renewing system, no matter what TV series you're on, > they'll never let you enjoy a closure. Nooooo, why > should they end a plot for you? What, are you a > child or something? Does life has a closure? The > nerve! "How does it end?" is probably the most > common question in the world since TV was invented > and it won't be answered in the next season either! I doubt I'd have stuck around for a third season, to be honest. It was getting a bit tired anyway. They leave the door open for something more to happen, but it would be more of the same anyway. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Carnivale njc Catherine McKay wrote: "I doubt I'd have stuck around for a third season, to be honest. It was getting a bit tired anyway. They leave the door open for something more to happen, but it would be more of the same anyway." I hear you, Catherine. One of the reasons we started watching it in the first place was because we already knew it was a 2 seasons only series. Live good, die young, and don't end in a cliffhanger, that's what i say. And if you can't do that, than at least try to be a mini series:) Nuri - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: njc How DAAARE You!? Benedicte Nielsen wrote: Nuri wrote: "...watching the Catherine Tate Show, UK listers know her, a lovely comedian" "Nuri! I luuurrve Catherine Tate!" Benedicte! Is it! Isn't it though! :) "I wonder how many other people on the list had to think of her." Tate's answer: Am i bothered? Am i bothered though? Do i look bothered? Do i look like i'm bothered though? Look at my face, Benedicte, is this face bothered? Do i look bothered though? Why should i care if i ain't bothered? But do i? Do i though? Ask me if i'm bothered. Go on, ask me if i'm bothered. Why should i answer you if i ain't bothered? Why should i though? Look - face, bothered, face, bothered, face, bothered - I AIN'T BOTHRERED!!! LOL!!! Later Benedicte, Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:43:00 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Real or fake? now njc about late willem de kooning Wow, Patrick, there is a such a striking difference between the two paintings! > one time at moma, looking at a particularly gorgeous late de > kooning, my sister and i rather meanly agreed that alzheimers and > testosterone depletion were probably the best things that ever happened to > the artist. Haha! Not quite so mean - I think you have a good point! here's an 'untitled' from 1987. > > http://www.artnet.com/artwork_images_706_45138_willem-de-kooning.jpg > While the later painting is more stripped away (cleaner) than the earlier one, I do feel the emotion in it. It is like he has more perfectly integrated the emotion - it is very sublime. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:56:52 -0700 From: Subject: Barack Obama (njc) Bree wrote: >Anyway..at this time ..he is surely a person >that Democrats and be proud >of >and where all Americans can too. I agree. When I saw him (on TV) speak at the Democratic convention, I wsa blown away. He is truly a huge breath of fresh air. I have some reservations, like Gene, only because I am so afraid of being disappointed by something down the road. While I probably would not for vote him for president, at least if he won, he would be someone I think I could respect and who would not make me as alarmed as some of the other possibilities. He seems to have a very good character, brains and is a good communicator. As for Romney and Gingrich, it's funny. I don't want to like either one but I kind of do. I've never really felt too much of a personal connection with Repub candidates, even though I vote for them ;-). But Romney has shown a pretty good track record (just my view from here and maybe opinions are different from those who know him better in Mass.) I never liked Newt for many years - just couldn't stand him but now many years later, I have to admit he is enormously brilliant. Well we shall see! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:01 -0500 From: "Arkay" Subject: poverty, njc so i kept quiet on the whole poverty subject but then i saw the thing about 3rd world countries(forgive the fact that i dont have the exact quote) but essentialy it was said that there is no 3rd world poverty in teh united states. which once again shows how invisible the native americans are. they live in true squalor, and 3rd world conditions are the norm. people die each year from starvation, bad water, and cold exposure. not to mention the other problems. if you think we are living in such a wonderfully rich country-think again, just because you may not be starving and freezing tonight, doesnt mean others arent. the natives of this land are suffering and the genocide continues simply because they are 'invisible'. arkay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:36:58 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: real or fake I think y'all should bid on this just in case. : -) I think maybe I am not seeing something right, but I printed out the part of the drawing (on ebay) that has the "joni MIthcell" on it . . and I cannot find it written like that on the album cover. . I mean, it is written on the album cover. . but not in the same shape. but, like I said, I just think I am missing something . . or something Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:39:49 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Real or fake? Richard wrote: "I compared the printed lettering and the art on the album cover (remember those?) to the picture on ebay, and I am at least 95% certain that it's a fake." Why? - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:44:24 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Real or fake? Kakki wrote: "FAKE. Fakety, fake, fake fake!" mmm... yeah... I guess I just want to believe. :) heh heh : -) _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:55:35 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Nuri and STAS, njc you are so cute here Nuri. : -) ps. I love STAS and the cover From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Real or fake? mia wrote: "I love the album cover of STAS primarily because it is so dated." You took the "i love the album cover of STAS primarily because it is so dated" out of my mouth. Very well said, mia. It reminds me of therapy paintings that one may draw during a dark period, kind of self healing work done during one's winter. STAS's art director, sorry, can't remember his name, died not long ago, and with this one suddenly showing up, hmmm... During my life i bought 8 copies of STAS on vinyl and at least 5 on CD for both sad and funny reasons. For years now it seems that most pop artists launch their careers with some really silly, stupid, flat and commercial debuts, and then years later, you hear that they "have grown", "musicaly developed", "discovered themselves", "100% personal", "more personal than ever", and that they "think fondly of their debut" when "they were too young to take themselves seriously". Joni, as you know, is not one of those geeks. Someone posted a couple of days ago and said that STAS is the more naive Joni. Sorry, i don't remember who you are, but - DO YOU MIND?! :) Hugs and great weekened everyone, Nuri _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:05:25 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: STAS Isn't it beautiful how we are talking about cover of Song to a Seagul? and the songs on Song to a Seagul ? How lovely. (I think you did this Les) From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Nostalgia was [RE: Real or fake?] You know, I must be dated! I still love that cover. I can vividly remember going down to the "Soul Shack" at 12th & G in DC specifically to buy the record (I was 13 at the time and had gotten my D-28 in January as a combination birthday/Christmas gift from my parents). There used to be little classified ads in the back of _Sing Out_ magazine advertising lead sheets for Joni Mitchell songs from Gandalf Music. (I sent away for some lead sheets, but they never arrived.) I had heard Ian & Sylvia and Tom Rush and Buffy Sainte-Marie and Judy Collins's versions of Joni's songs. I don't remember how I heard the album was coming out, but I was there to buy it on the day of its release. After listening to it countless times, I decided to figure out some songs--I think I began with "Cactus Tree"--and I realized I had to detune my guitar, so I taught myself open D and open G, playing, I'm sure, approximations of her arrangements--it was all by ear. In a very short time, some older friends started trotting me out at local coffee houses. "Here's this young boy who plays Joni Mitchell songs." I remember one girl (she was 18 and I was 14) who took me to play at DC's Iguana Coffee House off Thomas Circle. Under her and her boyfriend's wing I also attended a Pete Seeger fundraiser for the DC (Dow Chemical) 9--also in a church--how progressive and friendly churches were to me in my youth! Anyway, when I look at the cover of STAS, I experience Proustian epiphanies--I can never look at it with even an ounce of irony. Perhaps it's arrested development, but Joni Mitchell has been my personal soundtrack since I was a child. I've been doing my own serious writing for most of today and guess I was on a roll when I decided to post here--forgive the length. Richard _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:49 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: STAS So now I am wondering. . . . How did it go that the album Song to a Seagull is also called "Joni MItchell." Did it not officially have a title? Because it was her first album. . was it called Joni Mitchell? ~ _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:13:43 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek", njc hide and seek is a beautiful recording that has been in high-frequency replay in my ipod all summer. i first heard it on kcrw, which we've listened to streaming all day at work for much of the year. (kcrwmusic.com, actually) kcrw has also been playing an amazing a capella version of the song, recorded by a group associated with UCLA. i'm totally obsessed with it. i've uploaded it. http://www.yousendit.com/download/qBU%2BpOd5z4M%3D you know, we bitch about the state of radio these days (and it can be terribly disappointing, especially after fm radio in the '70s) but 2006 was a year of great singles, that i heard from listening to the radio. kcrw brought in a british guy, nic harcourt, to be music director (he also replaced chris douridas on 'morning becomes eclectic', though douridas has another show that's excellent). harcourt is much more into electronic and world-influenced music and i think that has hugely influenced all the programming on kcrw. it's listenable for me almost any hour of the day or night. and it has lead me to some great singles, this year, including hide and seek breath me (by sia. this was the song that played over the last scene in the last season of 'six feet under'. just beautiful) crazy, by gnarls barkley. i can't prove it, but i think this song was heard on kcrw much earlier than most american radio, because it was a huge hit in britain before it hit here. broken toy, by keane wordless chorus, by my morning jacket it just feels very new for me. i haven't gotten to new music by listening to the radio since the '70s. these singles may not even inspire me to buy albums, though i have in some cases (the imogen heap album is brilliantly produced, but only a couple of other songs really stand out; the gnarls barkley album is really really disappointing) patrick np - thom yorke, harrowdown hill, a great song from a great album I love this track. I first heard it when David Dye had her on "The World Cafe". She gives great interview. Her voice sounds like Jenny Goodspeed singing through Laurie Anderson's electonics. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #391 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------