From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #389 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 20 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 389 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Techie question njc ["ron" ] RE: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb ["Azeem" ] NJC: Kakki on Child Sex Abuse (njc) [Benedicte Nielsen ] answer to Garrett's techie question njc [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: percussion [Alice Brown ] Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Ladysmith - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] how to create PDF files ["anne@sandstrom.com" ] RE: Hawaii quakers (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Real or fake? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: It's Bo/njc [Peep Richman ] Tecchie question njc [Garret ] njc, Immigration Man -- workshop and new video ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["gene" ] Re: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb [BlueForTheRoses@aol.co] Re: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb [Victor Johnson ] RE: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Techie question njc hi > Garret wrote: >> Can anyone tell me how to convert a document into >> pdf format? >hell replied > If you go to www.tucows.com you can search for freeware > and/or shareware to do just about anything. > as hell says, tucows (or download.com) should have the software you need - you can find just about anything you can imagine. another option for you would be to download & install open office. you can open the presentation in their powerpoint equivalent & export it as a pdf ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:50:56 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb Patti wrote: << Okay, I just *have* to talk about Wally Lamb. Has anyone read his books? Wally rocks, and he just happens to live in Mansfield...on the road to Baljenie, in my hometown! (TIC!) I know one of our other psychotherapists, Bo Peep Richman (Where are you, Bo? I miss you!) has read his first two novels ("She's Come Undone" and "I Know This Much is True"), and so has Donna B. >> ...and here's another therapist fan! I bought I Know This Much Is True by the most prosaic route imaginable: I was in a bookshop which was doing a 'three paperbacks for the price of two' offer; I had two I really wanted, and couldn't find a third. I chose IKTMIT almost entirely because it was a big thick doorstop and might at least represent Value For Money! The raves on the back were obviously attractive too, and the subject matter as described sounded interesting. Well, as it turned out, it was one of only two novels that has moved me to tears (the other being Sebastian Faulks's Birdsong). I wouldn't say he's a sublimely gifted writer, but he's clean and clear; his immense talent lies, for me, in his characterisations and in the slow, painstaking build-up of little details that make the characters come to life and become more fully rounded, to the extent that the reader really *cares* about them. The resolution thus felt like it had been properly *earned* and was therefore all the more moving. I didn't rate She's Come Undone quite as highly, though I still think it's great. I lent it to a new friend as I thought it might speak to her. What she hadn't told me yet was that she had actually been morbidly obese, just like the main character, and had come through the other side. She gave Wally Lamb high marks for describing her condition realistically. The book you mention sounds fascinating, and I will certainly look out for it. Azeem in London NP: Joanna Newsum - The Milk-Eyed Mender - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:39:49 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: NJC: Alice on re:Justice in our own hands. + death penalty..... - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: re:Justice in our own hands. NJC Alice wrote, among many other things.... " Our society's answer to destructive behavior is punishment, retribution. The is also the O.T. "god's" view of how to build a "holy" nation. Problem is: IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!! It didn't work in the bible and it doesn't work in real life. People become "good" through love: attention, understanding, respect, safety, insight, patience, and role modeling. Almost all people can be healed and come to live loving, constructive lives." Thanks for your email ... It seems that insight is only ever gained the hard way? I want to add that it is remarkable how many artists and scientists and other 'great' people whose work has influenced so many people have been walking in and out of prisons and mental institutions, some with nervous breakdowns, some having committed very serious crimes. Well, and that I can see why some people may have doubts on the death penalty issue. I can only say that when you live in a country that doesn't have it, countries with it seem scary and barbaric. I think the bottom line is that murder is considered the most base crime, so to see that a country has an institution that legally murders its own citizens makes you think that some things in that country are governed by very basic instincts. Plus, perhaps, that they lack some fundamental idea about respecting each individual, even the most aberrant. The idea that we are in this together. What confuses me about the US is that it seems to me that it is the same section of the population which is on the one hand anti-abortionist and fundamentally Christian and on the other pro-death penalty. How do these things come together? Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:42:43 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Barack Obama was yesterday's (Wednesday) guest on the Oprah Winfrey show. I wasn't able to watch it so I taped it to watch later. I did see the first five minutes and the more I see of this guy the more I like him. I firmly believe he will be our first black president someday. He was talking about his new book "The Audacity of Hope", one I'll pick up at the library if they have it. Warmly, Cassy NP: Thinking About Tomorrow - Beth Orton From: "Patti Parlette" <<< P.S. My dept. head just handed me the 10/23 Time magazine, with Barack Obama on the cover. She said she just saw it at the "gaspumps" and had to buy it. He's got a lot of soul! >>> ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:05:27 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: NJC: Kakki on Child Sex Abuse (njc) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:14:44 -0700 From: Subject: Child Sex Abuse (njc) "I don't recall who posted something along the lines that the number of incidences of these abuses are exaggerated. " It sounds like it might have been one of my emails. No, in a sense, I don't think the number is exaggerated - I think that many cases are not reported, because people live in denial. I think it's part of the trauma for many children who are being abused for years, and responsible adults close their eyes or refuse to understand. I wonder if it's actually a consequence of how parents naturally don't think of their kids in a sexual way. What I am saying is that somehow, the focus on pedophilia in the public debate has had two negative side-effects: first of all I wonder if all the talk about pedophilia has in fact made many pedophiles come out of the closet, and secondly what I was saying in my email, was that it has made many people see pedophilia where there was nothing. The consequences for wrongly accused adults must be devastating, and the consequences for how adults interact physically with children are noticeable. " We have web sites here in, I think, most states where you can enter your zip code and see the names, addresses and crimes of convicted child sex offenders living in your neighborhood. The number is very high IMO. I know two women who were abused as teenagers by a stepfather and one man who was abused as a teenager by an older female camp counselor. These people are permanently damaged by their experiences and nothing has helped them heal and move on. It is very tragic." I completely agree. My friend told me after we had grown up that her step-father had attempted all kinds of things with her, and it's not like my reaction was 'poor old man, he was probably abused himself and couldn't help himself' - I was furious for her. I don't even want to think of how it affects you. Again, her psychologist mother didn't notice. They see it where it isn't and they don't see it when it's there... Benedicte - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:16:49 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: answer to Garrett's techie question njc Garret, it's rare that I know about any techie issue, but in this case as it happens, I do. As someone else has already mentioned, you can get a "pdf convertor" program which is freely available from the internet (as long as you don't use it for commercial reasons, then you need to buy it). I don't know how it works from Powerpoint, but for a Word document, once the convertor is installed, you press the "PRINT" option and then you put that convertor program where the printer details are asked for, and that's how the text gets converted. You can then "save as" as you like. But if this does not work, there is also a totally different way of doing it. Since a pdf document is basically like a photo, you can scan the document into your computer, or get it done somewhere such as at a photoshop (and put on disk) if you don't have a scanner. That will also create a pdf document. I hope this helps! Lieve in London. - -------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:16:31 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Techie question njc Can anyone tell me how to convert a document into pdf format? Specifically what i need to do is convert a powerpoint slide (which is currently saved as A4 size) into an A3 sized pdf. I have not figured out how to convert it at all and it is driving me crazy! Any techies out there that can help me with this would earn my undying appreciation. I'm seriously beginning to doubt that this is possible. Ever wanted to throw a computer out the window? ;-) GARRET ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Re: percussion Dearest JoniBuds, Yes! The percussive style of playing the guitar, it's one of the things that really draws me in and captivates me. What I love about Joni the most are her beautiful chords and chord-changes and her percussive style of playing the guitar. I'm performing 3 of them at the fest: The Dawntreader, Last Chance Lost, and The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay. They are so much fun to play, LTL is my favorite. Some other percussive Joni songs I love are: Coyote, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Cherokee Louise, Passion Play, The Only Joy in Town, Turbulent Indigo, Taming the Tiger,...... I could go on and on. ALSO: If you dig percussive acoustic guitar, you have got to check out EVERYTHING that Michael Hedges has done. Start with Aerial Boudaries. Love, Alice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:02:50 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC Em and Victor ever so gently kidded about my "inflammatory" post: "and it sailed long and far before being mentioned! Its as if a missile from the east got all the way to Utah before NORAD intercepted it or the Navy shot it down. :P Em" "Oh my God....it's true. NJC was left off. Truly a travesty. My day is ruined now. Victor, devastated and distraught at the disaster that has been perpetrated by a seemingly mindless miscue....oh the humanity! " "-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bobsart48@aol.com > NJC reminder. > > Thanks > > Bob" Now me - And so it appears that I must either silently suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous NJC or risk the barbs of my friends :-) Oh, the price of freedom from NJC ! Bob Sart (Last of the Joni-onlies ? Or perhaps they all feel stifled ? I dunno, This post isn't going to that list. Oh, the irony !) (Feeling inspired from from seeing Ladysmith Black Mambazo and friends incl Natalie Merchant and Sarah McLachlan Tuesday at Carnegie Hall where they covered Redemption Song) Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds Have no fear for atomic energy Cause none of them can stop the time How long shall they kill our prophets While we stand aside and look Yes some say it's just part of it We've got to fulfill the book Won't you help to sing, these songs of freedom Cause all I ever had, redemption songs All I ever had, redemption songs These songs of freedom, songs of freedom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Ladysmith - NJC > (Feeling inspired from from seeing Ladysmith Black Mambazo and friends > incl > Natalie Merchant and Sarah McLachlan Tuesday at Carnegie Hall where they > covered Redemption Song) You lucky New Yorkers! I have their new cd which is wonderful. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:37:59 +0000 (UTC) From: "anne@sandstrom.com" Subject: how to create PDF files Hi Garrett, You can go to this web page: http://createpdf.adobe.com/ and do a trial (free) download of software to create PDF files. About 95% of all PCs have Acrobat Reader installed, which lets you read PDFs, but you need separate software to create PDF files. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:28:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Hawaii quakers (njc) That is such a hoot Kakki! Here I thought I was the only one giving football scores!!!! Once the initial scare was over and everyone for the most part was all right, I think people may have just wanted a sense of normalcy again! I think sports like football do that for a lot of people. It's too funny that so many others were had the same exact thought process as my brother! Take care Kakki! Sherelle >From: > >Hi Sherelle, > >I'm glad you brother is O.K. It's so funny what you wrote - I was reading >a blog on Sunday with people writing in from either Hawaii or who had >family and one of the biggest topics was how much they were griping about >now being able to watch the football games! LOL Because the electricity >was out for a long time, people on the mainland were getting constant phone >text messages from family in Hawaii asking for updates on the games ;-) > >Kakki > _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:30:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Real or fake? I'm glad you were able to do that Richard! I think that's exactly what we needed. Good job!!! Sherelle >From: "Richard Flynn" > >I compared the printed lettering and the art on the album cover (remember >those?) to the picture on ebay, and I am at least 95% certain that it's a >fake. > _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: It's Bo/njc Hi wonderful JMDLer's! Sorry I haven't been posting for so long...complicated reasons...for another time. Azeem (forgive me if I mispelled your name) and Patti wrote to me about Wally Lamb. I must have mentioned him much earlier in the year. I'm about to read, rather than skim, his third book "Couldn't Keep It To Myself". No doubt this will be a moving book.For those of you who know Viktor's Frankl's work, the first biography was written a few years ago..."When Life Calls Out To Us""...very important reading, as, of course, is Frankl's "Man's Search For Meaning". I am a "student" of Dr. Frankl and have read almost everything he has written. He is a gift and an example for us all. I've been listening to our Joni a great deal lately...next posting, I have some things to discuss and questions to ask. Have missed all of you very much. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:53:54 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Tecchie question njc Thanks for all the advice and offers to help guys. I think, just think, i managed to get it done. Thanks GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:10:38 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Immigration Man -- workshop and new video Dear Joniamigos: I had to attend this two-hour workshop today on immigration, visas, new Homeland Security rules and regulations (npimh: "rules and regulations, who needs 'em...open up the door..."), etc. J-1s, H-1Bs (not to be confused with an H-1B1, of course!), OPT, F-1s and J-2s and NAFTA TNs, and you know..... Complicated and confusing stuff, and the rules change almost daily. But here's the fun part: the director, in his talk, starting quoting music lyrics. HA! My ears perked up....this is finally getting interesting! "breaking up is hard to do"....."love is a many-splendored thing", etc. He then confessed to often using song lyrics in his speeches and presentations. Imaginez-vous! What bizarre behavior, don't you say? LOL! During the break I went up to the podium to introduce myself and tell him that we seem to suffer from the same affliction -- OLQD. He looked a little confused at first ("Who *is* this crazy woman?") when I asked him if he knew Joni (he nodded), and I proceeded to tell him about JMOCD et tout ca, but then he relaxed and seemed to understand. He told me he was writing a skit about immigration w/ lots of lyrics in it (a lot from the Star Spangled Banner). I asked if he knew Graham's "Immigration Man" and he did not. (Huh? What planet has *he* been living on?) So, I just *had* to email him when I got back to the office. Luckily I was able to find a great video, too. Make sure to check it out. Very timely! (Neil Young must have made it very recently, don't you think? Glad to see he is carrying on!) During the second half of the workshop the speaker threw another lyric in there and pointed to me and smiled and winked. Private joke. Nice! Okay, back to work for now. Oh, no...one more thing! I learned that there are special visas for Australian specialty occupation workers. 10,500 per year allowed. They are called "E-3"s if you want to check them out. Mark, I think designing beautiful Joni wallpapers would fall under that umbrella (bright on a grey background). Come on over! And you, Ash, what can we make your specialty occupation? Encourager of peace mothers? Love, Patti P. Subject: non-business: "Immigration Man" music and lyrics Dear Bob: Thanks for all the information today, and especially for sharing your lyric quotes. I loved it. Right up my "OLQD" (obsessive lyric quoting disordered) alley! I'm surprised, given your work specialization, that you've never heard Graham Nash's song "Immigraton Man." Here are the lyrics, and even a video ("gallantly streaming") so you can hear the music. ("O, say can you see?") Enjoy! Patti http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwvideos/immigrationman_wm-hi.html ARTIST: Graham Nash TITLE: Immigration Man Lyrics and Chords There I was at the immigration scene Shining and feeling clean, could it be a sin I got stopped by the immigration man He says he doesn't know if he can let me in / D - C - / D9 - Bb - / : {Refrain} Let me in, immigration man Can I cross the line and pray I can stay another day Let me in, immigration man I won't toe your line today I can't see it anyway, hey-y / D - C - / D9 - / Bb - / 1st, 2nd / Bb - D - / There he was with his immigration face Giving me a paper chase, but the sun was coming 'Cause all at once he looked into my space And stamped a number over my face and he sent me running Won't you {Refrain} Here I am with my immigration form It's big enough to keep me warm when a cold wind's coming So go where you will as long as you think you can You'd better watch out, watch out for the man anywhere you're going {As refrain} Come on and let me in, immigration man Can I cross the line and pray Take your fingers from the tray Let me in, irritation man I won't toe your line today I can't see it anyway _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Duncan Shiek, "Court and Spark" Subject: Re: Duncan Sheik, "Court and Spark" I wonder if the version of "Court and Spark" on this new collection is the one he did at NYC Summer Stage's Joni's Jazz show in 1998?> Wonder no longer - it is not - it's a studio version, nicer than the NYC take. Bob Didn't DS record CaS for the Joni tribute CD that was in production years ago and was then shelved (before the latest tribute CD got underway, apparently in production now)? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:36:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama Hi Cassy and Jerry and other Obama fans (aren't we all now?): I just watched him on Larry King and was re-impressed. He's got heart and humor and humility -- that's what I think. I cannot disagree with anything he says, plus he is rather gentle and not strident in getting his points across, and strong at the same time. The audacity of hope. I like that! Now here is someone who can be uniter, not a divider! I also reallly liked how he talked about his mom, who taught him empathy. Empathy! Bring it on! She died about ten years ago and he talked about the hole she left. I also liked how he spoke of his wife. Obviously a lot of love and mutual respect going on there. At the end they played a clip from when he was on Jon Stewart. Jon asked him how he felt about all the hype, and he said something like he's almost hyped as much as Jon Stewart, and Stewart totally cracked up. He then went on to praise Stewart. He won't comment on running for President until the November 7th elections are over. Man, I wish he'd come stump for my man Ned! I'm hoping for Jackson Browne, too, but that may just be a dream some of us here had. With audacious hope, Patti P. NPOMTV: Mets vs. Cardinals....Go Mets! >From: "Cassy" >To: "Patti Parlette" , >Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:42:43 -0400 > >Barack Obama was yesterday's (Wednesday) guest on the Oprah Winfrey show. >I wasn't able to watch it so I taped it to watch later. I did see the >first five minutes and the more I see of this guy the more I like him. I >firmly believe he will be our first black president someday. He was >talking about his new book "The Audacity of Hope", one I'll pick up at the >library if they have it. > >Warmly, >Cassy > >NP: Thinking About Tomorrow - Beth Orton > > >From: "Patti Parlette" ><<< P.S. My dept. head just handed me the 10/23 Time magazine, with >Barack Obama on the cover. She said she just saw it at the "gaspumps" and >had to buy it. > >He's got a lot of soul! >>> > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:38:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb Thank you alice, smurf, patti for your compassionate & wise words on this subject... what the world needs now is more voices like yours... ours is such a violent & vengeful & (whatever the opposite of enlightened is... ebdarkendment?) culture... thanks for the mention of & the article by wally lamb... I've heard his name but not read his words until now... I've spent some time myself with many people who have been in recovery a long time ...the wisdom & compassion & depth is something not easily found among those who have easier lives... a friend of mine was an advocate for years for restorative justice... after reading the book written by (I forget her name) the sister who the movie dead man walking was about ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:57:54 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Wally Lamb Azeem wrote: >...and here's another therapist fan! I bought I Know This Much Is True >by the most prosaic route imaginable: I was in a bookshop which was >doing a 'three paperbacks for the price of two' offer; I had two I >really wanted, and couldn't find a third. I chose IKTMIT almost >entirely because it was a big thick doorstop and might at least >represent Value For Money! The raves on the back were obviously >attractive too, and the subject matter as described sounded interesting. > >Well, as it turned out, it was one of only two novels that has moved me >to tears (the other being Sebastian Faulks's Birdsong). I wouldn't say >he's a sublimely gifted writer, but he's clean and clear; his immense >talent lies, for me, in his characterisations and in the slow, >painstaking build-up of little details that make the characters come to >life and become more fully rounded, to the extent that the reader really >*cares* about them. The resolution thus felt like it had been properly >*earned* and was therefore all the more moving. Exactement! I'm so glad you liked it, too. Mais merde alors! I was writing a long post about Wally, saved it, and then came back to my computer and it was gone. Don't you hate it when that happens? I hope I can reconstruct it tomorrow or over the weekend. Wally rocks. He really is a wonderful human being. The world needs more Wallys and Baracks, and Joni people. Love and peace, Patti P., fading in a suburban room _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:20:05 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama he's young, enthusiastic, and moderate.. He's either an incredible actor (as it turns out it only takes mediocre acting skills to succeed on the national political stage), or the real deal. As much as I'd actually like to believe the latter, my deeply cynical side says that it's just a matter of time before some ugly skeleton emerges from the closet, or we learn that he's not what he seems, or the system changes him into a hack politician like all the rest. I truly hope I'm wrong, and we actually end up with a candidate worth voting for, and I'd be ecstatic if that could happen as soon as 2012. (Hell, I'd be ecstatic if that happens just once in my remaining lifetime at this point). I just hope that he keeps his political individuality and stays away from the Howard Deans of his party. If he does this he stands a great chance of becoming President. later gene np "feed the fire", mary youngblood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:02:01 EDT From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb In a message dated 10/19/2006 10:47:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: ours is such a violent & vengeful & (whatever the opposite of enlightened is... ebdarkendment?) culture... ...the wisdom & compassion & depth is something not easily found among those who have easier lives... a Love the elitist attitude there, Kate....I don't think as you do and therefore, must not be very enlightened. That's great. Sound no different than the fool currently running our country. Since my opinion is different, something obviously is wrong with my brain and I'm not as "smart" as you. Also as for your comment about people having "easier lives".....Just because I am not a recovering drug addict does not make me a person who has had an "easy" life. Life is not easy for just about anyone, least of all me. And excuse me for pointing out the obvious but hey, drug addicts made a CHOICE that made their lives not be so easy. Do not dare to compare me with someone who chose to do drugs and then became addicted to them. It's great that people are in recovery and have turned their lives around, but the responsibility for their addiction lies at their feet, and their feet only. How dare you say my life is easy because I chose not to do drugs. And how dare you say I don't have wisdom or compassion just b/c I don't think that we should stand by while people commit crimes, and then continue to give them better than they gave. I have a great compassion for many things, which you have no way of knowing, as you don't know me. It seems the very HEIGHT of arrogance to me, that a person could assume I have an easy life based on my beliefs about the death penalty. It actually seems very different to me....It is the "arm chair liberals" who have the easy lives and try to present themselves as so compassionate...but of course from a distance. If you think prisoners deserve so much compassion, go to the prisons and try to "Educate" and "change" them. Your words bely your arrogance. You must be right and moral because of your beliefs, and therefore you should join the nuts in the Religious Right who support Georgie Boy, since he and his cronies feel the same way. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:42:33 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb Oh, bite me! What drugs are you on? Listen to yourself... Where ever that anger is coming from it shouldn't be directed at Kate. Victor, awake for some reason at 1:40am On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:02 AM, BlueForTheRoses@aol.com wrote: > I Your > words bely your arrogance. You must be right and moral because of > your > beliefs, and therefore you should join the nuts in the Religious > Right who support > Georgie Boy, since he and his cronies feel the same way. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Real or fake? Just look at us trying to understand if it's an original Joni or a fake.:) Sure it's a fake and not a very good one as Kakki said, but you know that while we're busy debating that, someone who's never heard of Joni is looking at this silly painting on ebay and thinking "Well, i don't know who Joni Mitchell is but i think it's a very nice painting", and then buys it and hangs it on the wall and enjoys it everyday not because it's a Joni or a non-Joni but because he likes it. Isn't that what true love for art is all about? Loving something simply for what it is and not for the name behind it? No wonder that art is treated like merchandise these days, and worst than that, the artists themselves. And it's true everywhere you look and everywhere you go. Do you buy your clothes for their trends, lables and tags or simply because you like them? Cause if you don't, my dear clown, then you won't wear then for very long before you go and look for something better to buy. Do you have friends that like you for your status and class or do you have real friends ? Did you marry someone because they were trendy, best labled and tagged as oo-la-la or because you liked their kindness? Cause if you didn't then your lawyer is already waiting. Do you love yourself because you're trendy and labled as a success and you're tagged as Mr. this and Mrs. that or because there's no one in the whole world like you? And back to Joni - if you're one of the many here who never heard or knew anything about her when you heard her music for the first time and still fell for her, then you know what i'm talking about. Loving something or someone for what it is, even if it's a fake, is true, and loving something or someone for it's worth, even if it's an original, is a fake. And although we live in a world where we choose things for their tags and lables, including dogs, cats, horses and humans, it's still the things we simply love without even knowing why that we always keep with us and treasure the most. Nuri, who else! :) - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:52:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, Justice in our own hands, and Wally Lamb LOL victor... thank you & hugs Rick I have no idea what the connecting point is between what you wrote & what I wrote... so I can only wish you peace bro & leave the discussion about addiction (choice or not choice) to those who are far more capable than I am of writing about this if they care to... addiction being all manner of things including drugs- prescription or street, alcohol, food, sex, work etc ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #389 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------