From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 387 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: percussion [Patti Witten ] Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC [Em ] RE: percussion NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] re:Justice in our own hands. NJC [Alice Brown ] Real or fake? ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Justice in our own hands. NJC [Jerry Notaro ] re:Justice in our own hands. NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston ["P. Henry" ] hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, Barack Obama ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Real or fake? ["P. Henry" ] Re: njc, Barack Obama ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: percussion [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: A Judy Collins Christmas in Kalamazoo MI - NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Justice in our own hands, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Real of fake? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Justice in our own hands, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Real or fake? ["Lori Fye" ] Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Two new (old) Joni songs [Les Irvin ] RE: Hawaii quakers (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Real or fake? [] Re: it all comes back to Michael Paz NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Real or fake? ["Sherelle Smith" ] njc, last night's PBS "Frontline" on Iraq ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:01:05 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: percussion "Marianne Rizzo" wrote: > > I was listening to a radio show yesterday on my way home from work . . (it > is called world cafe). > > Shawn Colvin was on . . they were interviewing her. My favorite syndicated radio program! World Cafe airs on NPR stations all over the country. The host, David Dye, dos a great job of introducing me to new music and playing my favorite music :) In the same show, Dye replayed an earlier interview with my mentor/teacher, Rosanne Cash. The connection between Cash and Colvin is not only their successful songwriting but personal and professional partnership with producer John Levenethal. John is a former intimate of Shawn's, and long-time co-writer and producer of several albums including her latest, These Four Walls. John and Rosanne are married, and he produced her latest, Black Cadillac. Check out his other producer credits, some familiar names there, like Patty Larkin, Rodney Crowell (Rosanne's ex!), Jim Lauderdale and Kelly Willis. Search for him at allmusic.com for more. Listen to the interviews, they are really great. I was emailing my friends all day yesterday, all emotions and distractions, sending them the links to these interviews: Rosanne http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5244631 Shawn http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6148332 I'm a big fan of Leventhal, Cash, Colvin, et al, and there's no doubt of Joni's influence among all of us singer-songwriters of a certain age :) I, too, learned to play through obsessive love of Joni Mitchell albums and from the alt-tunings and chords found in the songbooks. I aspire to that kind of writing and playing. The guitar is a box you can open, a pitched drum, a seagull crying, waves crashing. You know what I mean. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:18:05 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC NJC reminder. Thanks Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:40:33 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC Oh my God....it's true. NJC was left off. Truly a travesty. My day is ruined now. Victor, devastated and distraught at the disaster that has been perpetrated by a seemingly mindless miscue....oh the humanity! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bobsart48@aol.com > NJC reminder. > > Thanks > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC and it sailed long and far before being mentioned! Its as if a missile from the east got all the way to Utah before NORAD intercepted it or the Navy shot it down. :P Em - ----- Original Message ---- From: "waytoblue@comcast.net" To: Bobsart48@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:40:33 AM Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC Oh my God....it's true. NJC was left off. Truly a travesty. My day is ruined now. Victor, devastated and distraught at the disaster that has been perpetrated by a seemingly mindless miscue....oh the humanity! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bobsart48@aol.com > NJC reminder. > > Thanks > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:20:32 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: percussion NJC Speaking of percussion, I saw Shawn Colvin last weekend in Atlanta. Very enjoyable with a lot of material from the new album. She is accompanied by excellent guitarist Buddy Miller and percussionist Debra Dobkin. If she comes near you, go see her. I was also impressed with opening act Brandi Carlile. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:36 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: percussion I was listening to a radio show yesterday on my way home from work . . (it is called world cafe). Shawn Colvin was on . . they were interviewing her. She said that she was "a joni freak" . . and that joni's percussion type guitar playing influenced her. I have often noticed that joni uses her guitar as a percussion instrument. I always loved that. . there are some songs joni does that more than others. . I'm sure you know what I am talking about. It is very groovy. I love that Joni. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us &hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: re:Justice in our own hands. NJC Dear JoniBuds. I have never felt so at home in a group. I mean, I dig you guys. I love the Joni threads as well as the NJC threads. Benedicte, in my opinion, you don't need to appologize for "too much" NJC posting, that's what the NJC is for, and besides, even the NJC posts have in common that they come from lovers of Joni; those with a deep connection to Joni's music and lyrics and philosophic musings. Since I get messages in the digest form, here's a brief summary of the themes that have inspired me. There were more, and I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts. >Lori said she doesn't think that we should warehouse criminals who can't be fixed. >Kate & Bree against the death penalty. Kate: far worse punishments than death. > Rick, for the death penalty. I believe that our justice system needs to be entirely revamped. I believe that most people can be "fixed" (healed), but it can't be accomplished by punishing and disrespecting them. I know I'm probably really triggering people right now and I appologize for that, but please hear me out: Our society's answer to destructive behavior is punishment, retribution. The is also the O.T. "god's" view of how to build a "holy" nation. Problem is: IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!! It didn't work in the bible and it doesn't work in real life. People become "good" through love: attention, understanding, respect, safety, insight, patience, and role modeling. Almost all people can be healed and come to live loving, constructive lives. I could very well be in prison right now. The majority of the prison population are: addicts: alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling. I was a drug addict for 17 years, and did many illegal things during that time. mentally ill: bipolar, borderline personality disorder, ADD, etc. I suffered from "mental illness" myself: depression, anxiety, emotional intensity (not an illness in and of itself but if you combine it with being an addict it leads to some very destructive behaviors). If I had "gotten caught" when I was addicted and mentally ill, I could be sitting in prison right now. Not to mention I drove stoned for years and could have killed somebody. I could be spending the rest of my life in prison. These truths really inform my perspective of our "justice" system. Instead of going to prison, I got some therapy, and pursued an education. I was sustained financially by student loans, credit cards, and a little help from my parents (they got sick of helping out a screw-up). Now I've been clean and sober for almost 17 years, and I would rate my mental health as "above average." I love and am good to all of the people and animals around me. I have improved the efficacy of psychotherapy by developing a new method of treatment, I have helped hundreds of mentally ill and hurting and abusive people to become healthy, happy, and constructive. I am an influence for love and healing in this world. I am not arrogant, I don't feel superior to any other human. My point is that instead of help I could have gotten prison, and be leading a non-productive life of misery. I can't help but be strongly impacted by all of this. I see all human as precious and valuable and important. I believe that people are naturally constructive (survival instincts for themselves and the species). Abusive/neglectful childhood environments and/or traumatic events and/or bad brain chemistry cause our natural instincts to become twisted. People who did not get their physical and emotional needs met as children, try to get those (still unmet needs) met in dysfuntional (destructive) ways instead of functional ways. I tried to get my needs met through being stoned, codependent relationships, and an eating disorder. All these dysfuntional "coping mechanism" just made things worse and worse and worse. Fortunately, I finally sought out some help and help was available. I give myself credit for getting help, but for 17 years I didn't get help. The majority of people in prison didn't get help in time, or tried to and it wasn't available. Like women who try to get help when their husbands are abusive/threatening to kill them, they either went to the wrong place for help or had to wait for help. During the wait time they ended up killing their husbands to save their own and their children's life. Now they are spending the rest of their life in prison. And what about drug addicts killing someone while drunk driving while they are waiting to get into rehab. TRAGIC. AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME. EASILY!!! The answer for the majority of prisoners is good therapy, not punishment. I know, what about justice? It is not just to punish people who are mentally ill from childhoods and/ or brain chemistry that causes them to make destructive choices while trying to get their needs met. Our prisons should be replaced by inpatient healing centers, where patients are treated with respect and given the therapy and medication that they need to become healthy, loving, constructive citizens again. It seems that the evidence to date shows that pedophilia is nearly impossible to treat. But, and I don't have the hard facts on this, I believe that castration or chemical castrations along with therapy has a good degree of success. I am not a pedophile. I'm really glad about that. I do not have the neurochemistry and childhood experiences that make people into pedophiles. I can't take credit for this, it's just the way it is. I don't think people "turn themselves" into pedophiles. Can you imagine finding yourself in that position? I'm not saying that we should allow this behavior, NO WAY!!! But we should have compassion for them and try everything that we can do to help them, meanwhile containing them so that they cannot perpetrate their dysfunctions on children. I'm not bipolar, but I could have been. I'm don't have borderline personality disorder, but I could have. I don't have ADD, but I could have. These conditions make it far more likely that a person will be addicted and violent and irrational. If I have a brainfart someday and screw up driving and hurt/kill somebody, I'll end up in prison. What the FUCK! I drive carefully because I don't want to hurt anyone or myself. But I have my brainfart moments and it could happen. Same with all you guys. Prison, where people are denied freedom, safety, and the company of those who love them. And the punishment wouldn't help me to never do it again! It would just cause me to become mentally ill again because I couldn't bear losing my freedom and living in a hostile, disrespectful environment. When we treat mistakes and mental illness with punishment insead of compassion and help we devalue and diminish every human being, we stunt the growth and healing and happiness of the entire human race. P.S. I enjoy vengence, love those Steven Segal movies. Kill that motherfucking scumbag!! But I would not allow my base desire for violence and vengence and retribution to cause me to ever treat another human being that way, or to advocate a system that does the same. P.S.S. All of these thought are part of my overall plan for healing the world :-) Love, Alice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:37:56 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: The Te-na-ment Castle Subject: The Te-na-ment Castle Catching up on my JMDL posts and saw this one from September. I have always thought that STAS is Joni's most overlooked and least appreciated album from her earlier works. I really love the visions that each song creates in my mind as I listen. While it is a younger, more naive, less sophisticated side of Joni for sure, so many songs really hit a nerve for me. When I saw the picture of the tenement castle from Detroit I have to say I was a bit shocked. I have been listening to "I had a King" on and off for 30 years and always had the same image in my mind of a solemn and resolute Princess sitting in her grove till the end of the year while her king was on the road. Inside per home she was surrounded by pastel walls, empty halls and rooms with no curtains. To actually see the real castle in Detroit kind of burst my bubble a bit - but still - for Joni to create such a beautiful and haunting image for me that allowed me to sustain that deep imagery and feeling all these years is just another sign of her brilliance as a song writer. Thanks for the post. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just in case this hasn't been posted before, as a matter of Joni history, here is an actual picture of the apartment building Chuck and Joni lived in on the 5th floor, just off the Wayne State campus in Detroit back in '65-'67. The 'tenament castle' referred to in IHAK: http://www.campusvillage.com/Detroit/home.htm - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:23:15 -0400 From: casper56@nyc.rr.com Subject: ebay art Actually Les if you really read the ebay post it never says that Joni actually did it. At least that's what I got out of it........ Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands. NJC Alice wrote: << When we treat mistakes and mental illness with punishment insead of compassion and help we devalue and diminish every human being, we stunt the growth and healing and happiness of the entire human race. >> Fianally, a voice of reason and compassion. I identified with much of your story, Alice, and I am also grateful that I was spared the fate of many people who made the same misguided choices in life that I made. That appreciation has also made me a lot less judgemental over the past few years, and more willing to help others heal. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:48:53 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Real or fake? My guess is fake. . . but I do enjoy seeing it. if someone can enlarge this we could probably tell for sure. interesting. thanks. Marianne From: "Les Irvin" What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Thanks, Les _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:59:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands. NJC I am also grateful that I was spared the fate of many people > who made the same misguided choices in life that I made. That appreciation has > also made me a lot less judgemental over the past few years, and more willing > to help others heal. > > XO, > > --Smurf > There but for fortune, go you or go I -- you and I. -Phil Ochs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:11:29 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: re:Justice in our own hands. NJC You know..Mia... it could be that these two were just so selfish and nothing was going to stop them from going to their family reunion. The child was an inconvenience...he interfered with their plans that weekend. So terribly selfish...lacking empathy...one could go on and on about them. (The biological mother..who is a drug addict..is suing the county for placing her child with them..as it turned out... these most unfit people.) I don't what the answer is..but I know this is not an isolated case....just different names and faces involved. Child abuse goes on everyday in this country. It could be some humans are just born soulless or so it seems? Bree ><parents in Cincinnati.>> >Good Lord! Bree, I had not heard this story before. What on earth?!?! If >these two foster parents were not up to the challenge, why did they not >return the child to the state? Unbleepingbelievable!! > >It really makes me wonder - does 'Moral Law' really exist in the human >species? > >>Maybe Dr. Laura has such answers to the moral and scientific >dilemmas we humans face. > >Mia > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free >trip! >http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:38:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: How small is a one kiloton A-bomb? njc Yes...that is a sobering thing to me ..the unprotected (mostly) border to the south of us. How easy to bring across these little suitcases into this country. ..coupled with ..I hear..men of Arabic heritage taking on Hispanic names. I don't know if that is true or just a rumor..but anything is possible? Bree > I am of the opinion that the U.S. has certain technology that can deal >with incoming long range ballistic missiles but how do you handle the >possibility of suitcase nukes or dirty bombs smuggled in over the border? >In any case, "the whole world is watching" Little Kim and I guess that is >all they can do at this point. > >Meanwhile, I am keeping my bottle of potassium chloride pills close by >these days ;-) > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:42:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Real or fake? but hey, you never know. . good job to who ever put the time into doing it! Go Joni fan! I'd say, get it . . especially if it is only around 5 dollars. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:44:09 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston hi mags, Thanks for the heads up on this. I haven't run a serch on youtube in a while and I didn't know it was there. It's a beautiful presentation and interesting to me from the perspective of how Joni made so many things a performance and how, as well as being a painter, a poet, a songwriter, a singer, an instrumentalist, she is such a truly original performance artist. It happens that when I saw this tonight, I sent an email to my friend asking him to make it into a download for me and then I thought of your post and that maybe you'd like a copy also? if so, let me know, ok? tanx, pat - ---- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - ---- - ------------- I know many of us have seen this, but for those who have not...this is clearly one of my favourite pieces, heart bursting powerful most Hejira...white laced with Toller Cranston, an extraordinary painter and skater, who btw, pushed the envelope big time with his style...both on cloth canvas as well as ice.... enjoy! mags~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mlrccmVWQ - -- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/redirect.html/ref=nh_/002-6939683-9810463 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:43:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston From: mags h I know many of us have seen this, but for those who have not...this is clearly one of my favourite pieces, heart bursting powerful most Hejira...white laced with Toller Cranston, an extraordinary painter and skater, who btw, pushed the envelope big time with his style...both on cloth canvas as well as ice.... enjoy! mags~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mlrccmVWQ - ------------ I have not, so mille mercis! I'm nearly speechless. Even though I'm a good witch, not a bad witch, I am melting melting melting at the beauty of this. My favorite artist, my favorite song, filmed in my favorite city? Ooh la la! Near bliss! Good golly, Miss Magsie. Thank you for posting this! Speaking of Hejira......we have a new Spanish professor here, a lovely lady who I am just getting to know....and the friendship was sealed yesterday in my office. She noticed my screensaver (Joni's paintings) and commented on their beauty, so I told her they were by Joni Mitchell. Her eyes bugged out and she said: "I LOVE Joni MItchell." (Uh oh....here we go again!) Me: Are you SERIOUS? Odette: Oh, yes. I love that Both Sides Now album. Me: Really? Odette: Oh, yes. It's beautiful. Me (starting to froth at the mouth): Do you know her other work? Odette: I love that that other album that begins with an "H" that I can't pronounce too well. - ---------------------- I have a new friend of Joni spirit! I'll have to share the video with her. And you just have to pause for a minute, and think what a miracle it is these days that you can hear and see Joni any time you want with just a few clicks of the mouse. Ha! Why, when I was a lass, (after having walked three miles home from school while snow gathered liked bolts of lace), we had to put a big flat black circle on a round thing and turn it on, and later flip it over, and you never saw Joni on your TV screen. The wonder of it all! Thanks, Mags. I really needed that today. The fear and loathing on the campain (left the "g" out on purpose) trail is making me absolutely insane these days. Three weeks until the election..... like the little engine that could, I gotta keep saying: "we think we can, we think we can, we think we can.....", or better, in Joni-speak "you've go to keep thinkin', we can make it through these waves..." Sorry for the political segue, but it's everywhere in my little blue state -- inside and outside my head. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:45:42 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: percussion Beautifully written...yes..the possiblities are endless. Very nice! You inspired me today. Thanks.. Bree >I aspire to that kind of writing and playing. The guitar is a box you can >open, a pitched drum, a >seagull crying, waves crashing. You know what I mean. > >Patti >-- >http://pattiwitten.com _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:52:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Barack Obama P.S. My dept. head just handed me the 10/23 Time magazine, with Barack Obama on the cover. She said she just saw it at the "gaspumps" and had to buy it. He's got a lot of soul! Well some say it's in service They say "humble makes pure" Barack Obama....talk about the HOPE and the hopelessness! Can't wait to read it. xo, pp NPIMH: Barangrill _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:55:10 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Real or fake? On the plus side, as some have observed, there is a general resemblence and also I can attest somewhat to Joni's tendency, in those days so long ago, to leave things behind she was working on... At one time I had a couple rough sketches she drew, just to get an idea on paper, I guess; some partial lyrics, I think; several setlists and a complete list of all the songs she'd written along with each one's tuning, all of which I found in the dressing room after her departure. I mean, she was literally always on the road in those days, alone, and it's not like she had a car or a lot of luggage. Against all odds, I vote for 'real', but... On the minus side, I agree that I'd sure like to know just how it ended up in this sellers hands, although, at this late date, just shy of forty years later, my guess would be likely from the belongings of someone who knew her then like myself, recently deceased. I mean, the timing is just about right, ya know? Best Regards, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: njc, Barack Obama I just ordered his book, The audacity of hope: thoughts on reclaiming the American dream. The title alone sold me. BTW, the Time article is a great read. Jerry Patti Parlette wrote: > P.S. My dept. head just handed me the 10/23 Time magazine, with Barack > Obama on the cover. She said she just saw it at the "gaspumps" and had to > buy it. > > He's got a lot of soul! > > Well some say it's in service > They say "humble makes pure" > > Barack Obama....talk about the HOPE and the hopelessness! Can't wait to > read it. > > xo, > > pp > > NPIMH: Barangrill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:00:00 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: percussion A jammin' driver wrote: Shawn Colvin was on . . they were interviewing her. She said that she was "a joni freak" . . and that joni's percussion type guitar playing influenced her. I have often noticed that joni uses her guitar as a percussion instrument. Hi Road Scholar, Coyote and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter stand out in my mind for their drumming guitar sound. Hip, swinging music... Love, Roadie wanna be 4 Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:04:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: A Judy Collins Christmas in Kalamazoo MI - NJC KALAMAZOO STATE THEATRE Proudly welcomes. A JUDY COLLINS CHRISTMAS With Christmas Choir Friday, Dec. 8, 2006 8:00PM Cool, it is on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. I'd love to see Judy again. She was fantastic in Oklahoma City last month. I'm reading her book Sanity and Grace. Very good. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:10:52 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands, njc An Indigo Blue mystic wrote: there are far worse punishments than death imo (& to tie this into the religious thread) because both hell & heaven are right here on earth Hi Beautiful, Reminds me of the saying, "Don't Take Your Organs to Heaven. Heavens Knows We Need Them Here." Love, On Earth as I am in Heaven ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:15:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Real of fake? Les wrote: What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Hi Les, LOLLLLLLLLL are you sure this isn't one those paint by number things? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:31:22 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Child Sex Abuse NJC > NJC reminder. Missed it. Sorry 'bout that. Thanks for the gentle reminder, Bob. : ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:35:27 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Justice in our own hands, njc Laura, using a pen name, wrote: > Reminds me of the saying, "Don't Take Your Organs to Heaven. Heavens > Knows We Need Them Here." I thought the saying was, "In Heaven there ain't no beer, That's why we drink it here" ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:39:47 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Real or fake? Laura wrote: > LOLLLLLLLLL are you sure this isn't one those paint by number things? Hey! THERE's another business opportunity for Joni! The Art of Joni Mitchell - Paint By Numbers Box of Paints sold separately ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:34:55 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark Just found this online. Interesting. Bob, do you already know about this one?? "Rhino offers a comprehensive overview of the early years of his career with Brighter/Later: A Duncan Sheik Anthology - a two-CD set that showcases the emotional highs and lows of Sheik's songs. The compilation will be available October 24th for the suggested retail price of $19.98. n addition to singles, album cuts, and concert favorites, Brighter/Later contains a number of rarities and previously unreleased tracks: a studio recording of Lost On The Moon (from the international-only version of the Daylight CD), which is a live concert favorite; "Wishful Thinking" from the Great Expectations soundtrack; an unreleased recording of Joni Mitchell's "Court And Spark"; an unreleased remix of "For You"; and a new live recording of "Home." Read the entire article here http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1211843.php/Duncan_Sheik_returns_with_anthology_collection Laura ********************************************* Win Music Downloads http://www.energizer.com/music/bunnybeats/english/energizer_music_main.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:52:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Two new (old) Joni songs Lyrics to two early, unreleased songs written by Joni have recently surfaced. The two songs, "A Rambler, A Rover" and "Free Darling" were performed by Joni as early as 1965 back in Detroit. http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=ARamblerARover http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=FreeDarling Thanks to those who were able to locate these for all to enjoy! Les NP: Chris Thile "Eleventh Reel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:54:28 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Hawaii quakers (njc) Hi Kakki, I'm not there but I have a brother who is stationed at Hickham AFB there. He said that he was up at 7am to watch an NFL game (it seems that if you want to watch football there, you have to get up pretty early to do so) and all of a sudden, everything started shaking violently. Things flew off his dresser and it really scared him to the core. He jumped up and woke his children up not sure of what was going on. I was frightened when he told me that he lives on the twelth (sp?) floor of a high rise but he said if a tsunami had been triggered, that was the best place he could have been. He lives fifteen minutes outside of Honolulu. He was quite shaken when I spoke to him but was trying to put his best foot forward. He nervously joked, "All I wanted to do was find out if the Redskins won for my fantasy football league!" So to make my brother feel better, I flipped to ESPN's ticker and read off all the scores to him to take his mind off of the experience. There was no power when he called and he was down in his car with the adapter plugged in so he could talk. I'm just thankful that it wasn't worse and that there was no tsunami! Sherelle Kakki wrote: Hope the jmdler's in Hawaii are O.K. and have not been too badly affected by the quakes. I don't know if they are still here but I recall Rainbow on the Big Island, Dean on Kauai and a few others who used to post. Hawaii is such a beloved place for me and so many people. I have close friends there, too, who I have been trying to contact. I had to work 10 hours today but had one eye glued to the internet throughout keeping up with the reports. Those were awful big shakers! All the best to you. Kakki Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:00:24 -0700 From: Subject: Real or fake? FAKE. Fakety, fake, fake fake! Defintely looks like something I would have copied around age 14, circa 1968. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:05:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: it all comes back to Michael Paz NJC Maggie, I second that emotion!!!!! Paz is real people and does everything from the heart. Even in sadness, he keeps on going. He is a breath of fresh air within the music industry and most of them are smart enough to understand. Paz is a person of action and I am extremely proud to call him my friend. Most of all, Paz has helped me open up my eyes to the rest of the world and do whatever I can to help make it a better place. As a friend, he has taught me what it means to truly "live". Yes, I'm feeling what you are saying! Also, let me add that I am so happy that your fundraising efforts were a success!!!! And let me personally thank you for thinking of New Orleans and your efforts through your organization to help rebuild and replace! Kudos to you as well!!!!! Sincerely, Sherelle Maggie wrote: Am I the last one in this world to realize that sooner or later it all comes back to Paz? Last night my organization - the Celebrity Series of Boston - opened its 68th season with Preservation Hall Jazz Band. As it was the opening night, my job was to create a fundraiser event around their performance at Symphony Hall. We decided to add an additional beneficiary to the event in recognition of our need to play a small role in "doing something" about the on-going devastation of NOLA and of the tremendous loss that the musical community sustained. Pres Hall's Ben Jaffe had started the New Orleans Musicians Hurricane Relief Fund, so that's the cause we chose to include in the evening's fundraising efforts. Wanting to create something special that had a feeling of authenticity I called on Paz for advice and referrals. His generous spirit guided and sustained me again and again. Plus, as you all know, he's just plain so much fun to talk to! I had to do a lot of calling around to put together a raffle to try to add to the evening's net, and also decided to buy other things from NOLA vendors. He gave me ideas and tips, pointed me in the right direction, and then gave me names and phone numbers for places and people for whom mentioning his name elicited kind words and got me to yes more often than not. When I met Ben Jaffe at the hall last night and mentioned Paz to him he said, "who doesn't love Mike..."and went on to praise him and his skills. And the amazing thing is that Michael Paz is just one of the gems I've gotten to know through this list. Wow. Paz - Clint was as great as you promised. He was exhausted and didn't get to the party after, so I'm sorry to say I didn't get to meet him. Ben came, as did most of the other musicians, and Ben joined in with my fabulous musicians at one point. Folks, if you get a chance to see/hear Jeremy Lyons (sometimes playing out as the Deltabilly Boys or the Deltabilly Duo) you'll be glad you did. Jeremy plays in the Boston area - where he relocated post-Katrina - lots. He deserves the widest possible audience. OK, back to lurking. You all have a nice day, you hear? Maggie _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:14:44 -0700 From: Subject: Child Sex Abuse (njc) I don't recall who posted something along the lines that the number of incidences of these abuses are exaggerated. We have web sites here in, I think, most states where you can enter your zip code and see the names, addresses and crimes of convicted child sex offenders living in your neighborhood. The number is very high IMO. I know two women who were abused as teenagers by a stepfather and one man who was abused as a teenager by an older female camp counselor. These people are permanently damaged by their experiences and nothing has helped them heal and move on. It is very tragic. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:24:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Real or fake? Hi Les, Looking at it and the aging of the paper in the upper right corner, I'm more inclined to believe it's from that era though it may not be the real thing but someone trying to copy the cover. I'm not as familar with early, early Joni. There are pros and cons. If Joni designed her first cover, this could have been a rough draft. Is that signature of hers actually on the album cover? Is there any way the writing can be compared to something else she signed? It would be very interesting to see. On the pro side, the age and the fact that it's unfinished may indicate that it could be a Joni first rough draft. Eeeks! Good luck figuring this one out Les! Sherelle Les wrote: What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Thanks, Les _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:30:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, last night's PBS "Frontline" on Iraq Dear Joniamigos: If you missed "Frontline" last night, you can see it all here. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/yeariniraq/view/#more No plan, while thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands die. With no end in sight. Or maybe 2010, some say. Speaking out against the madness, Patti P. Here is part of it -- an interview w/ Rajiv Chandrasekaran, author of Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone (2006): "What is life in the Green Zone like? Let's pick the summer of '03 as our starting point. Life in the Green Zone is thoroughly disconnected from the reality around. Outside, Iraq was in a fair degree of postwar chaos. There wasn't much electricity. There was rampant crime on the streets, traffic jams. Nobody was working. It was just kind of anarchy. Inside the Green Zone, it was like a different planet inside those 17-foot-high walls. We're in the middle of a Muslim country, right? Muslims don't eat pork. What do they serve at the CPA dining hall for breakfast? Pork bacon. Hotdogs for lunch. They had six or seven bars in the Green Zone where you could get cold beer and wine. There was a disco at the al-Rashid Hotel where girls -- and I kid you not -- would pack hot pants and four-inch heels when they came to Baghdad so they could be out dancing atop an illuminated Baath Party star. Halliburton brought in dozens of brand-new GMC Suburbans, which people drove around past the 35-mile-an-hour speed limit. Every two weeks, Halliburton would wash your car for you. They have dry-cleaning service. They had their own radio station, 107.7 FM, Freedom Radio. They played classic rock and rah-rah messages. If you didn't have a car, there was a shuttle bus that would loop around in regular intervals to pick you up from wooden bus shelters. It felt a little like Disneyland when you walked in. You take the little tram in, and all of a sudden, you're in this whole different world. When you got inside that palace -- unlike any other building in Iraq, it was chilled to a crisp 68 degrees -- you had earnest young Americans who were determined to come fix Iraq. Now mind you, they didn't get out and about that much, but they knew what Iraq needed. The Iraqis they interfaced with were Iraqis who were either their translators or Iraqis who felt comfortable enough to go through three separate security checks to come into the palace to talk to them. Oftentimes it was Iraqis who wanted to get a contract, who wanted some favorable treatment, who knew that ultimately the Americans were going to devolve some power to the Iraqis, so told their American counterparts what they wanted to hear so they would be seen as trusted partners. And many of the Americans sort of naively said, "This policy must be just fine, because my Iraqis working for me seem to think it's OK." I would sometimes go into the Green Zone after a particularly rough day outside, because it was a place you could go in and sort of feel happy. You'd come out after an hour or two feeling like: "Wow, this is going to work. These guys have a plan. It's great." It was sort of like taking a happy pill. And then you'd go out, and the real Iraq would confront you. Problem was, a lot of those people never got out and confronted the real Iraq. They began to come to believe all of their prescriptions for the country were the right medicine. - -- When you talk about the life in the Green Zone, one of the things that interested me was your phrase, the "brat pack." What did you mean? It was a bunch of young kids -- had no experience managing finances -- who were given the task of running Iraq's budget. It turned out that this group of kids who had come over together couldn't quite figure out why they'd been chosen. They finally discovered that what had tied them together was that they had all applied for jobs at the Heritage Foundation, this conservative think tank in Washington. What happened was that the hiring was done by the White House liaison to the Pentagon, an office of the Pentagon political appointee. This office served as the gatekeeper. Instead of casting out widely for people with knowledge of Arabic, knowledge of the Middle East, knowledge of post-conflict reconstruction, they went after the political loyalists and canvassed the offices of Republic congressmen, conservative think tanks and other places where they knew they would find people who would be unfailingly loyal to the president and to the president's mission in Iraq. ... The hiring process involved questions that would have landed a private-sector employer in jail. They asked people what their views on Roe v. Wade were, whether they believed in capital punishment. A man of Middle Eastern descent was asked whether he was Muslim or Christian. People were asked who they voted for for president. ... " AMERICANS VOTE ON NOVEMBER 7TH. PLEASE VOTE ON JONI'S B/DAY. BRING ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND KIN. TALK IT UP! Do your kids in college need absentee ballots? Will you be out of town and need a ballot yourself? Do you know anyone on the fence who needs some information? Someone who needs to register? NPIMH: Who let the greedy in And who left the needy out Who made this salty soup Tell him we're very hungry now For a sweeter fare _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark He also has a new hit musical moving from Off Broadway to Broadway named Spring Awakening. Jerry est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Just found this online. Interesting. Bob, do you already know about > this one?? > > "Rhino offers a comprehensive overview of the early years of his career > with Brighter/Later: A Duncan Sheik Anthology - a two-CD set that > showcases the emotional highs and lows of Sheik's songs. The compilation > will be available October 24th for the suggested retail price of $19.98. > > n addition to singles, album cuts, and concert favorites, > Brighter/Later contains a number of rarities and previously unreleased > tracks: a studio recording of Lost On The Moon (from the > international-only version of the Daylight CD), which is a live concert > favorite; "Wishful Thinking" from the Great Expectations soundtrack; an > unreleased recording of Joni Mitchell's "Court And Spark"; an unreleased > remix of "For You"; and a new live recording of "Home." > > Read the entire article here > http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1211843.php/Duncan_Sheik_returns_with_anthology_collection > > Laura > > ********************************************* > Win Music Downloads > http://www.energizer.com/music/bunnybeats/english/energizer_music_main.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:10:40 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Two new (old) Joni songs cool les. seeds of "help me" in there. and i like the reference to a "dark cafe". so where did these come from? are there recordings somewhere? jenny On 10/18/06, Les Irvin wrote: > > Lyrics to two early, unreleased songs written by Joni have recently > surfaced. The two songs, "A Rambler, A Rover" and "Free Darling" were > performed by Joni as early as 1965 back in Detroit. > > http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=ARamblerARover > http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=FreeDarling > > Thanks to those who were able to locate these for all to enjoy! > > Les > > NP: Chris Thile "Eleventh Reel" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #387 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------