From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #379 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 14 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 379 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on computers ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] NJC Mobile phones and old rock singers (ok a very very little JM comment) [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Joni's writing again! ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Mobile phones and old rock singers [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] ["Lori Fye" ] Subject: Re: njc, torture is bad karma ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: njc, torture is bad karma ["gene" ] Eve Ensler (njc) [] Joni on computers [] Re: Eve Ensler (njc) ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] sharing a Joni story and incense owls [] witch hunts [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: just a thought [Michael Flaherty ] RIVER by Sarah McLachlan Hear here [est86mlm@ameritech.net] =?iso-8859-1?Q?JT_said_he_was_Joni_Mitchell=92s_=93bitch"_..?= [est86mlm@] Re: San Francisco phobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni on computers LOL But Joni does own a cellphone... didn't Stevie Wonder or Herbie Hancock give one to her a few years back? I think she probably 'lost' it on purpose if that's the case... Hmmmm I'm just thinking... if jm.com would agree to sell the new cd - would her agent want a cut? or do they just get a percentage of her earnings? Perhaps we should approach this one carefully and more directly to Joni... Jamie Zoob On 11/10/06, Patti Parlette wrote: > From the REAL interview (merci infiniment, Les!): > > "She cheerfully concedes she doesn't own a cellphone, a computer or use > e-mail. > > "I don't believe in them. I just don't want 'em. Computers are eating the > earth. They are frying people's brains. They are mental illness personified, > and if you really want to know, I think they are part of the manifestation > of human insanity." > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2006 12:19:10 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: NJC Mobile phones and old rock singers (ok a very very little JM comment) Some people have been talking about the fascination with seeing older stars perform. Shortly after I joined this lovely list, Garret gave away a ticket to see Patti Smith at the Tate Modern, and I went, not so much because I have a thing for Patti Smith but because its interesting to see what these people are like today. She talked about mobile phones, just like JM in that interview. Something beeped in the audience, and she said, "I think there must be a doctor on call here...!?" and then she went on in that punk-poetess-provocateuse mode of hers in which she once said shocking things like "when a man decides to love another man ... then he must take responsibility for the freedom that gives him..." (or whatever it was), but this time she talked about mobile phones, and she told the audience that she can see two justifications for mobile phones, and that's for doctors on call and mothers needing to get in touch with their children. And she said something liike "what ELSE do we need them for...!?". Now if she'd said "politicians" or "tabloids" or "the music industry", I guess the audience had gone "yeah, yeah..!!"... But I looked around, and I guess I was probably among the three persons in the audience who felt any entitlement to cheer, because we didn't have a mobile phone in our pocket. So people went, "yarh, har, har..." and the effect of what she'd said with so much drama somehow didn't materialise. I guess if I didn't really cheer its partly because I think mothers should leave their kids alone and not pester them on mobile phones. Am looking forward to the new Joni Covers! Some of the cheasy stuff on the last one was quite cheerful, pure Claydermann-happiness! I like these up-beat versions of BSN where the singer sounds like she is about to do a vigorous spring-cleaning, after which there will be no more dust-clouds anywhere. Completely weird. OK enough! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:15:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Vote for your favorite Logo!! What a great selection. They are all spectacular. Can those not attending cast a vote? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:13:20 +0100 From: Duarte Moniz Subject: sheep >Yes, I am sure she sings "sheep" -- intending to describe white caps that >would form at the tops of waves in the sea when the wind is "in from >Africa". You are completely right. There is a traditional saying in Portugal and probably in many other parts of the globe (as in Greece) that when the sea is like that is a "carneirada" (carneiro=sheep and carneirada=many sheeps). Duarte (in Portugal) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Joni's writing again! The Cowboy Junkies have been running an indie label for a while. I sent an email to their business address saying that Joni may be looking for a label. I've done my part. All the best, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:21:04 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: just a thought >...and probably completely uninformed by what it takes to host such a >thing, >but if La Mitchell is hell bent on keeping the 'music industry' out of the >loop in the dispersal of her next recording, could jonimithcell.com not be >the 'selling' agent for it? >Les (London) I was thinking along similar lines. . . WhaT can WE DO to help her? Joni, would you like our help? (even tho you say you don't email. . maybe someone will give you this message and you will know that we WANT TO HELP). . I imagine Joni is set. She can do what she wants at this point in her career. Another experiment, using other methods... She can afford that fun. I would be very surprised if asked us for help. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:49:39 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Vote for your favorite Logo!! In a message dated 10/13/2006 8:23:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: Can those not attending cast a vote? OF COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni on computers Jamie wrote: "But Joni does own a cellphone... didn't Stevie Wonder or Herbie Hancock give one to her a few years back? I think she probably 'lost' it on purpose if that's the case..." Phone Phobia is already a registered (and treated) phobia. Email Phobia as well. "Hmmmm I'm just thinking... if jm.com would agree to sell the new cd - would her agent want a cut? or do they just get a percentage of her earnings?" I misread that and saw "car" instead of "cut", and became very troubled by the fact that Joni's agent would want us to give them a car. Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Mobile phones and old rock singers Benedicte wrote: "She (Patti Smith) told the audience that she can see two justifications for mobile phones, and that's for doctors on call and mothers needing to get in touch with their children. And she said something liike "what ELSE do we need them for...!?". Joni is a Doctor (McGill's Faculty of Music) and a mother. Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:01:56 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] I really don't think conservatives really care which geographical location Nancy Pelosi comes from...what they are trying to point out is how left left of center she is. Also ..recently.. she put in her two cents about Foley's proclivities towards teenage boys and Hastert possibly covering that up from his inaction on the matter. I suppose she was to have said how awful that was...and oh the shame of that. But when you take in to consideration she was in gay pride parade several years ago and the Grand Marshall of that very parade was an advocate of the group: Man Boy Love. ...the hypocrisy meter goes off. Hastert is about as smart as MOST high school wrestling coaches? Sounds pretty elitist to me. Especially coming from someone who sounds..well..like one of us... No...her being from San Francisco has nothing to do with the why conservatives don't want her in...it is rather her politics....her cut-n-run mentality....not extending tax cuts ...she could be from Xenia,Ohio..it wouldn't matter. Fear of gays...and Republicans/conservatives using that to scare people ....this is such a canard...and frankly..getting very old. I suppose you might have a very small fringe who thinks this way...you know all political parties have their goofy fringes..but it's is surely not the majority in this party. "there you go again" ;-) Bree >San Franciscophobia > >We're stuck with a terrible war and a >worse president, and all the GOP can do is >scream, "Pelosi and her Nancy boys are >coming"? This is pathetic. > > > >By Garrison Keillor > > > >People who live in mud huts should not >throw mud, especially if it comes from >their own roofs. As Scripture says, don't >point to the speck in your neighbor's eye >when you have a piece of kindling in your >own. I see by the papers that the >Republicans want to make an issue of Nancy >Pelosi in the congressional races this >fall: Would you want a San Francisco woman >to be Speaker of the House? Will the >podium be repainted in lavender stripes >with a disco ball overhead? Will she be >borne into the chamber by male dancers >with glistening torsos and wearing pink >tutus? After all, in the unique worldview >of old elephants, San Francisco is a code >word for g-a-y, and after assembling a >record of government lies, incompetence >and disaster, the party in power hopes >that the fear of g-a-y-s will pull it >through in November. > >Running against Nancy Pelosi, a woman who >comes from a district where there are >known gay persons, is a nice trick, but it >does draw attention to the large shambling >galoot who is speaker now, Tom DeLay's >enabler for years, a man who, judging by >his public mutterances, is about as smart >as most high school wrestling coaches. For >the past year, Dennis Hastert has been two >heartbeats from the presidency. He is a >man who seems content just to have a car >and driver and three square meals a day. >He has no apparent vision beyond the urge >to hang onto power. He has succeeded in >turning Congress into a branch of the >executive branch. If Mr. Hastert becomes >the poster boy for the Republican Party, >this does not speak well for them as the >Party of Ideas. > >People who want to take a swing at San >Francisco should think twice. Yes, the >Irish coffee at Fisherman's Wharf is >overpriced, and the bus tour of >Haight-Ashbury is disappointing (where are >the hippies?), but the Bay Area is the >cradle of the computer and software >industry, which continues to create jobs >for our children. The iPod was not >developed by Baptists in Waco, Texas. >There may be a reason for this. Creative >people thrive in a climate of openness and >tolerance, since some great ideas start >out sounding ridiculous. Creativity is a >key to economic progress. >Authoritarianism is stifling. I >don't believe that Mr. Hewlett and Mr. >Packard were gay, but what's important is: >In San Francisco, it doesn't matter so >much. When the cultural Sturmbannfuhrers >try to marshal everyone >into straight lines, it has consequences >for the economic future of this country. > >Meanwhile, the Current Occupant goes on >impersonating a president. Somewhere in >the quiet leafy recesses of the Bush >family, somebody is thinking, "Wrong son. >Should've tried the smart one." This one's >eyes don't quite focus. Five years in >office and he doesn't have a grip on it >yet. You stand him up next to Tony Blair >at a press conference and the comparison >is not kind to Our Guy. Historians are >starting to place him at or near the >bottom of the list. And one of the basic >assumptions of American culture is falling >apart: the competence of Republicans. > >You might not have always liked >Republicans, but you could count on them >to manage the bank. They might be lousy >tippers, act snooty, talk through their >noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as >they race their Pierce-Arrows through the >village, but you knew they could do the >math. To see them produce a ninny and then >follow him loyally into the swamp for five >years is disconcerting, like seeing the >Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. So here >we are at an uneasy point in our history, >mired in a costly war and getting now >here, a supine Congress granting absolute >power to a president who seems to get >smaller and dimmer, and the best the >Republicans can offer is San >Franciscophobia? This is beyond pitiful. >This is violently stupid. > >It is painful to look at your father and >realize the old man should not be allowed >to manage his own money anymore. This is >the discovery the country has made about >the party in power. They are inept. The >checkbook needs to be taken away. They >will rant, they will screech, they will >wave their canes at you and call you all >sorts of names, but you have to do what >you have to do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:26:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] You must not watch or listen to the leading conservative spokespeople, Bree. Last night, among others, Bill O'Reilly must have referred to the "left wing San Francisco" life style about 15 times in his broadcast when talking about Nancy Pelosi. The homophobic reference was quite clear. And your Gay Pride reference is a red herring. Pelosi was one of 200,000 celebrating respect for gays and lesbians. It has nothing to do with the Grand Marshall at all. Just because she was there does not mean she is responsible for anyone else's views that were there. Jerry > I really don't think conservatives really care which geographical location > Nancy Pelosi comes from...what they are trying to point out is how left left > of center she is. Also ..recently.. she put in her two cents about Foley's > proclivities towards teenage boys and Hastert possibly covering that up from > his inaction on the matter. I suppose she was to have said how awful that > was...and oh the shame of that. But when you take in to consideration she > was in gay pride parade several years ago and the Grand Marshall of that > very parade was an advocate of the group: Man Boy Love. ...the hypocrisy > meter goes off. > > Hastert is about as smart as MOST high school wrestling coaches? > Sounds pretty elitist to me. Especially coming from someone who > sounds..well..like one of us... > > No...her being from San Francisco has nothing to do with the why > conservatives don't want her in...it is rather her politics....her cut-n-run > mentality....not extending tax cuts ...she could be from Xenia,Ohio..it > wouldn't matter. > > Fear of gays...and Republicans/conservatives using that to scare people > ....this is such a canard...and frankly..getting very old. I suppose you > might have a very small fringe who thinks this way...you know all political > parties have their goofy fringes..but it's is surely not the majority in > this party. > > > "there you go again" ;-) > > > Bree > > >> San Franciscophobia >> >> We're stuck with a terrible war and a >> worse president, and all the GOP can do is >> scream, "Pelosi and her Nancy boys are >> coming"? This is pathetic. >> >> >> >> By Garrison Keillor >> >> >> >> People who live in mud huts should not >> throw mud, especially if it comes from >> their own roofs. As Scripture says, don't >> point to the speck in your neighbor's eye >> when you have a piece of kindling in your >> own. I see by the papers that the >> Republicans want to make an issue of Nancy >> Pelosi in the congressional races this >> fall: Would you want a San Francisco woman >> to be Speaker of the House? Will the >> podium be repainted in lavender stripes >> with a disco ball overhead? Will she be >> borne into the chamber by male dancers >> with glistening torsos and wearing pink >> tutus? After all, in the unique worldview >> of old elephants, San Francisco is a code >> word for g-a-y, and after assembling a >> record of government lies, incompetence >> and disaster, the party in power hopes >> that the fear of g-a-y-s will pull it >> through in November. >> >> Running against Nancy Pelosi, a woman who >> comes from a district where there are >> known gay persons, is a nice trick, but it >> does draw attention to the large shambling >> galoot who is speaker now, Tom DeLay's >> enabler for years, a man who, judging by >> his public mutterances, is about as smart >> as most high school wrestling coaches. For >> the past year, Dennis Hastert has been two >> heartbeats from the presidency. He is a >> man who seems content just to have a car >> and driver and three square meals a day. >> He has no apparent vision beyond the urge >> to hang onto power. He has succeeded in >> turning Congress into a branch of the >> executive branch. If Mr. Hastert becomes >> the poster boy for the Republican Party, >> this does not speak well for them as the >> Party of Ideas. >> >> People who want to take a swing at San >> Francisco should think twice. Yes, the >> Irish coffee at Fisherman's Wharf is >> overpriced, and the bus tour of >> Haight-Ashbury is disappointing (where are >> the hippies?), but the Bay Area is the >> cradle of the computer and software >> industry, which continues to create jobs >> for our children. The iPod was not >> developed by Baptists in Waco, Texas. >> There may be a reason for this. Creative >> people thrive in a climate of openness and >> tolerance, since some great ideas start >> out sounding ridiculous. Creativity is a >> key to economic progress. >> Authoritarianism is stifling. I >> don't believe that Mr. Hewlett and Mr. >> Packard were gay, but what's important is: >> In San Francisco, it doesn't matter so >> much. When the cultural Sturmbannfuhrers >> try to marshal everyone >> into straight lines, it has consequences >> for the economic future of this country. >> >> Meanwhile, the Current Occupant goes on >> impersonating a president. Somewhere in >> the quiet leafy recesses of the Bush >> family, somebody is thinking, "Wrong son. >> Should've tried the smart one." This one's >> eyes don't quite focus. Five years in >> office and he doesn't have a grip on it >> yet. You stand him up next to Tony Blair >> at a press conference and the comparison >> is not kind to Our Guy. Historians are >> starting to place him at or near the >> bottom of the list. And one of the basic >> assumptions of American culture is falling >> apart: the competence of Republicans. >> >> You might not have always liked >> Republicans, but you could count on them >> to manage the bank. They might be lousy >> tippers, act snooty, talk through their >> noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as >> they race their Pierce-Arrows through the >> village, but you knew they could do the >> math. To see them produce a ninny and then >> follow him loyally into the swamp for five >> years is disconcerting, like seeing the >> Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. So here >> we are at an uneasy point in our history, >> mired in a costly war and getting now >> here, a supine Congress granting absolute >> power to a president who seems to get >> smaller and dimmer, and the best the >> Republicans can offer is San >> Franciscophobia? This is beyond pitiful. >> This is violently stupid. >> >> It is painful to look at your father and >> realize the old man should not be allowed >> to manage his own money anymore. This is >> the discovery the country has made about >> the party in power. They are inept. The >> checkbook needs to be taken away. They >> will rant, they will screech, they will >> wave their canes at you and call you all >> sorts of names, but you have to do what >> you have to do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:37:42 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Kipling's "If"(NJC) Just to add a little info to the "If" discussion, I recently visited Rudyard Kipling's former house in Sussex. It's owned by the National Trust and has been made into a kind of Kipling museum. They have a series of letters there which Rudyard wrote to his son who was serving in the first world war and was later killed in action, an event which affected the writer badly. I don't know how old the son was but maybe he never really got to be a man. Secondly, non Brits may not know that the poem is on the wall of the Wimbledon Tennis Club and is supposed to be the last thing the players see before going out to play the final. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:46:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: ROYAL DRUMMERS OF BURUNDI for those in NYC interested.... ROYAL DRUMMERS OF BURUNDI (Tomorrow and Monday) First heard by most Western listeners as the spooky, lusty pulse on Joni Mitchellbs 1975 album bThe Hissing of Summer Lawns,b these musicians and dancers b who sometimes call themselves the Master Drummers of Burundi, or simply the Drummers of Burundi b conjure an elemental musical force through ritualized unison percussion. Tomorrow at 8 p.m., Grace Rainey Rodgers Auditorium, Metropolitan Museum of Art, (212) 570-3949, _metmuseum.org_ (http://metmuseum.org/) ; $50. Sunday at 3 p.m., Lehman Center for the Performing Arts, 250 Bedford Park Boulevard West, at Goulden Avenue, Bedford Park, the Bronx, (718) 960-8833, _lehmancenter.org_ (http://lehmancenter.org/) ; $20 to $35. (Sisario) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:58:24 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] Jerry..I'm not disputing that San Francisco is left wing..not at all. Of course it is. Calling it what it is is not homophobic..not to me anyway. I mean..yes..most gays do vote democratic. Again..it's just pointing out someone's politics.. not their sexual leanings or the rightness or wrongness of those leanings. I'm sure this isn't the case. Was she in the actual parade or on the sideline? I thought she was in the actual parade. I don't know ...before I marched in any parade...I would want to check out who was being represented there...who I was walking "hand and hand" with. If not..she is not a very savvy politician...isn't it always the appearance of something in politics.? Bree >You must not watch or listen to the leading conservative spokespeople, >Bree. >Last night, among others, Bill O'Reilly must have referred to the "left >wing >San Francisco" life style about 15 times in his broadcast when talking >about >Nancy Pelosi. The homophobic reference was quite clear. And your Gay Pride >reference is a red herring. Pelosi was one of 200,000 celebrating respect >for gays and lesbians. It has nothing to do with the Grand Marshall at all. >Just because she was there does not mean she is responsible for anyone >else's views that were there. > >Jerry > > > > > I really don't think conservatives really care which geographical >location > > Nancy Pelosi comes from...what they are trying to point out is how left >left > > of center she is. Also ..recently.. she put in her two cents about >Foley's > > proclivities towards teenage boys and Hastert possibly covering that up >from > > his inaction on the matter. I suppose she was to have said how awful >that > > was...and oh the shame of that. But when you take in to consideration >she > > was in gay pride parade several years ago and the Grand Marshall of that > > very parade was an advocate of the group: Man Boy Love. ...the >hypocrisy > > meter goes off. > > > > Hastert is about as smart as MOST high school wrestling coaches? > > Sounds pretty elitist to me. Especially coming from someone who > > sounds..well..like one of us... > > > > No...her being from San Francisco has nothing to do with the why > > conservatives don't want her in...it is rather her politics....her >cut-n-run > > mentality....not extending tax cuts ...she could be from >Xenia,Ohio..it > > wouldn't matter. > > > > Fear of gays...and Republicans/conservatives using that to scare people > > ....this is such a canard...and frankly..getting very old. I suppose >you > > might have a very small fringe who thinks this way...you know all >political > > parties have their goofy fringes..but it's is surely not the majority in > > this party. > > > > > > "there you go again" ;-) > > > > > > Bree > > > > > >> San Franciscophobia > >> > >> We're stuck with a terrible war and a > >> worse president, and all the GOP can do is > >> scream, "Pelosi and her Nancy boys are > >> coming"? This is pathetic. > >> > >> > >> > >> By Garrison Keillor > >> > >> > >> > >> People who live in mud huts should not > >> throw mud, especially if it comes from > >> their own roofs. As Scripture says, don't > >> point to the speck in your neighbor's eye > >> when you have a piece of kindling in your > >> own. I see by the papers that the > >> Republicans want to make an issue of Nancy > >> Pelosi in the congressional races this > >> fall: Would you want a San Francisco woman > >> to be Speaker of the House? Will the > >> podium be repainted in lavender stripes > >> with a disco ball overhead? Will she be > >> borne into the chamber by male dancers > >> with glistening torsos and wearing pink > >> tutus? After all, in the unique worldview > >> of old elephants, San Francisco is a code > >> word for g-a-y, and after assembling a > >> record of government lies, incompetence > >> and disaster, the party in power hopes > >> that the fear of g-a-y-s will pull it > >> through in November. > >> > >> Running against Nancy Pelosi, a woman who > >> comes from a district where there are > >> known gay persons, is a nice trick, but it > >> does draw attention to the large shambling > >> galoot who is speaker now, Tom DeLay's > >> enabler for years, a man who, judging by > >> his public mutterances, is about as smart > >> as most high school wrestling coaches. For > >> the past year, Dennis Hastert has been two > >> heartbeats from the presidency. He is a > >> man who seems content just to have a car > >> and driver and three square meals a day. > >> He has no apparent vision beyond the urge > >> to hang onto power. He has succeeded in > >> turning Congress into a branch of the > >> executive branch. If Mr. Hastert becomes > >> the poster boy for the Republican Party, > >> this does not speak well for them as the > >> Party of Ideas. > >> > >> People who want to take a swing at San > >> Francisco should think twice. Yes, the > >> Irish coffee at Fisherman's Wharf is > >> overpriced, and the bus tour of > >> Haight-Ashbury is disappointing (where are > >> the hippies?), but the Bay Area is the > >> cradle of the computer and software > >> industry, which continues to create jobs > >> for our children. The iPod was not > >> developed by Baptists in Waco, Texas. > >> There may be a reason for this. Creative > >> people thrive in a climate of openness and > >> tolerance, since some great ideas start > >> out sounding ridiculous. Creativity is a > >> key to economic progress. > >> Authoritarianism is stifling. I > >> don't believe that Mr. Hewlett and Mr. > >> Packard were gay, but what's important is: > >> In San Francisco, it doesn't matter so > >> much. When the cultural Sturmbannfuhrers > >> try to marshal everyone > >> into straight lines, it has consequences > >> for the economic future of this country. > >> > >> Meanwhile, the Current Occupant goes on > >> impersonating a president. Somewhere in > >> the quiet leafy recesses of the Bush > >> family, somebody is thinking, "Wrong son. > >> Should've tried the smart one." This one's > >> eyes don't quite focus. Five years in > >> office and he doesn't have a grip on it > >> yet. You stand him up next to Tony Blair > >> at a press conference and the comparison > >> is not kind to Our Guy. Historians are > >> starting to place him at or near the > >> bottom of the list. And one of the basic > >> assumptions of American culture is falling > >> apart: the competence of Republicans. > >> > >> You might not have always liked > >> Republicans, but you could count on them > >> to manage the bank. They might be lousy > >> tippers, act snooty, talk through their > >> noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as > >> they race their Pierce-Arrows through the > >> village, but you knew they could do the > >> math. To see them produce a ninny and then > >> follow him loyally into the swamp for five > >> years is disconcerting, like seeing the > >> Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. So here > >> we are at an uneasy point in our history, > >> mired in a costly war and getting now > >> here, a supine Congress granting absolute > >> power to a president who seems to get > >> smaller and dimmer, and the best the > >> Republicans can offer is San > >> Franciscophobia? This is beyond pitiful. > >> This is violently stupid. > >> > >> It is painful to look at your father and > >> realize the old man should not be allowed > >> to manage his own money anymore. This is > >> the discovery the country has made about > >> the party in power. They are inept. The > >> checkbook needs to be taken away. They > >> will rant, they will screech, they will > >> wave their canes at you and call you all > >> sorts of names, but you have to do what > >> you have to do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:49:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: a way to help, njc Thanks so much for this link Laura ( the secong link is the one that works). I think it's a wonderful effort and I will contribute to it as soon as I can. As a single mother, I understand how hard things can be and how hopeless a young mother may feel. I think this is about those who wish to have their child having hope and I'm all for it! Love, Sherelle Laura wrote: For those of you who would like to take action toward helping women in desperate situations who might abort their babies when they would prefer to keep them if they only had support throughout their pregnancy and afterwards, please see the following web site: _http://www.gabrielproject.com/_ (http://www.gabrielproject.com/) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:21:52 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: San Franciscophobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] Bree, you wrote: > Jerry..I'm not disputing that San Francisco is left wing..not at all. Of > course it is. Calling it what it is is not homophobic..not to me anyway. I think you're missing the point here. Jerry wrote: > Last night, among others, Bill O'Reilly must have referred to the "left > wing San Francisco" life style about 15 times in his broadcast when talking > about Nancy Pelosi. The homophobic reference was quite clear. And Garrison Keillor wrote: > After all, in the unique worldview of old elephants, San Francisco is a code > word for g-a-y THAT's the point that people like O'Reilly are trying to make: the subtext is that if you're from San Francisco, not only are you left wing (scary enough), but you're probably gay too -- or at least you support the "gay agenda." And of course that's supposed to be downright terrifying. Little does idiot O'Reilly know that in my brief time working in San Francisco, I was surrounded by some of the most right wing Republicans I'd ever met. That's a hazard of working in the Financial District, though, where Money is King and the other attitudes fall in line after that philosophy. (I got the hell out of there as soon as I could.) Bree, you also wrote (and this made me sit back in my chair): > I don't know ...before I marched in any parade...I would want to check out who was > being represented there...who I was walking "hand and hand" with. Look, I don't support NAMBLA in any way, shape, or form, and I don't think they should be considered part of LGBT culture. They're pedophiles; they should have their own parade; perhaps Tom Foley could be the Grand Marshall. However, just because some prick from NAMBLA somehow got to be the Grand Marshall of the SF Pride Parade, or just because NAMBLA is unfortunately represented in that parade, does not mean I will not take part in it. As you are well aware, any "gay pride" parade not only celebrates our strengh but also our diversity, and that means representing a lot of different "life style choices" that you may or may not be comfortable with. I'm not always thrilled with some of the more "out there, in your face" representations of gay life, because they sure as hell don't represent ME, but I'm not going to skip being counted as a participant just because I don't think it's necessary for a dom to whip her (or his) sub in public. To not march in or support the parade because there's a big ol' pervert in it is, to me, a lot like saying you're not going to vote for a candidate based on disagreeing with just one plank, when you otherwise agree with the majority of her or his platform. That just makes no sense to me. It's rare to get everything you want in a candidate, or even in parade. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:36:41 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Joni on Kipling Nuri quoted Joni: <> It appears that line probably influenced a line in Joni's Borderline: "As if thinking makes things so." "Every bristling shaft of pride Church or nation Team or tribe Every notion we subscribe to Is just a borderline Good or bad we think we know As if thinking makes things so! All convictions grow along a borderline" Mia _________________________________________________________________ SearchYour way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:24:57 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: njc, torture is bad karma Alice, Here is a bit of humor to underlie your point- http://extremegh.blogspot.com/2006/09/religious-debate.html >This theology is true for christianity and islam. No wonder the whole fucking world is going nuts and becoming more and more narcissistic and violent. It's funny how most americans don't see their religion for what it is. They just accept that god is good, and hope they go to heaven. Holy shit!! We have got to wake up and see that these texts do not depict a good anything. It's mythology and a horrific one. And if you don't buy this shit you can't get elected to office in this country. Same in islamic countries. < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Joni on computers > "Hmmmm I'm just thinking... if jm.com would agree to > sell the new cd - > would her agent want a cut? or do they just get a > percentage of her > earnings?" > > I misread that and saw "car" instead of "cut", and > became very troubled by the fact that Joni's agent > would want us to give them a car. > > > Nuri > I think we all know it clear that there shall never be anymore everything for nothing. nj ` Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:03:59 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: njc, torture is bad karma hi kate, hope you had a good time in sacratomato. anyway, don't you think what you wrote is why joni feels compelled to sing/write again? the dixie chicks did it, neil young did it, bono been doing it. wtf people definitely need a wake up call. later gene Inhale, and God approaches you. Hold the inhalation, and God remains with you. Exhale, and you approach God. Hold the exhalation, and surrender to God. - Krishnamacharya, on the cycle of breathing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Subject: Re: njc, torture is bad karma > Alice, Here is a bit of humor to underlie your point- > > http://extremegh.blogspot.com/2006/09/religious-debate.html > > >>This theology is true for christianity and islam. No wonder the whole > fucking world is going nuts and becoming more and more narcissistic and > violent. It's funny how most americans don't see their religion for what > it > is. They just accept that god is good, and hope they go to heaven. Holy > shit!! We have got to wake up and see that these texts do not depict a > good > anything. It's mythology and a horrific one. And if you don't buy this > shit you can't get elected to office in this country. Same in > islamic countries. < > > !DSPAM:144,4530226315161218184927! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:15 -0700 From: Subject: Eve Ensler (njc) Kate wrote: "Great interview with her last night on Tavis Smalley (who mentioned Dr. MLK as his major influence). She has a new book, is very well spoken about the state of the world & the choices we face. She puts it into common sense terms. Bree & Kakki, I found myself thinking that you might be open to what she has to say." I haven't heard of her so I did a net search. I read that she wrote the "V Monologues" (abbreviating here for those whose emails are scanned). Also read that she is an activist regarding violence against women and was involved in the movement to help Afghani women back when the Taliban was still in charge there. Jay Leno's wife, Mavis, has also been a key leader in that movement. For some reason I have no desire to see the "V" play (I'm probably a Joni kind of feminist) but do want to see "Menopause: The Musical" which I hear is hysterical and very fun. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:19 -0700 From: Subject: Joni on computers Lori quoted Joni: > "She cheerfully concedes she doesn't own a cellphone, a computer or use > e-mail. "I don't believe in them. I just don't want 'em. Computers are > eating the > earth. They are frying people's brains. They are mental illness > personified, > and if you really want to know, I think they are part of the manifestation > of human insanity." "Joni Mitchell never lies." Heehee. She is quite right, of course, but here we (royal "we") are. "She thinks we're all nuts. ; )" Sure! But she kind of likes us, too, I think ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Eve Ensler (njc) Good instinct, Kakki. I wasn't impressed much with the Vagina Monologues, and I think I am a pretty sensitive male. Wasn't offended by it, just wasn't very good in my book. BUT, Menopause, the Musical was wonderful and fun (though not written by Ensler.) Jerry kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > For some reason I have no desire to see the "V" play (I'm probably a Joni > kind of feminist) but do want to see "Menopause: The Musical" which I hear > is hysterical and very fun. ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:53:14 -0700 From: Subject: sharing a Joni story and incense owls Dave, Thanks for sharing that really great story of Joni hanging (way out of the way) at 29 Palms. What a kicking surprise! I've heard from a co-worker music freak friend of sort of "middle-aged raves" that go on out there in the desert sometimes, filled with great musicians and times. I wonder if Joni is in on that loop? Cool. And thanks Bob for the link to the Incense Owl! That is so cute and I never knew of them before. In my locale, the trend was to burn the incense in little brass ashtrays from India. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: witch hunts Don't be surprised if the witch hunts start soon, here or there. There's much envy and jealousy when it comes to Joni's beauty and brilliance. Sanctimonious skunks, they are, as they raise their screaming guitars into the air, and whose main concern is simply and plainly packin' in the grandstands...swooning the vunerable and lost with, "oh, come let us adore---ME!" I have us a pack of Warren Zevon werewolves from London and a mean ol' coyote at the door for protection. Norma Jean ` Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: just a thought LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: >I would be very surprised if asked us for help. I would be less surprised if it turned out the moon really was made of cheese. Michael - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:20 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: RIVER by Sarah McLachlan Hear here Go to: http://www.sarahmclachlan.com/wintersong.html and hear the entire version of RIVER by Sarah McLachlan. Wintersong is in stores October 17. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:41:01 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?JT_said_he_was_Joni_Mitchell=92s_=93bitch"_..?= From the BostonHherald.com http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=162082 Taylor: Close and personal By Daniel Gewertz Friday, October 13, 2006 Perhaps more than in any show in decades, James Taylor was allowed to be himself last night. It wasnt just the This Is Your Life setup, replete with a slide show and videos illustrating many phases of his long career. It was the intimate musical scale that made Taylors current show seem like the real-deal James. Backed only by the fine pianist Larry Goldings, Taylor was given the rare opportunity to be as clever, whimsical, warm and laid-back as he wished. You could believe that his past, and Carolina, really was on his mind last night. When he appears in huge settings like the Tweeter Center, Taylors fans respond raucously to his extroverted, good-time fare. Taylor in middle age is a professorial type, even a bit monkish-looking. So its like his fans are egging on the introverted nerd to get down, go crazy, and party hardy. And he aims to please. But most of Taylors music could hardly be more philosophic and quiet, and last night was a fantastic chance to hear the subtle songbook, the man and his muse. He started at the very beginning, with Something in the Way She Moves from his Apple album, circa 1969. Ever the people pleaser, Taylor signed an autograph from the lip of the stage after his first song. (He signed a whole batch more during intermission.) Introducing Carole Kings, Youve Got a Friend, he displayed, on a screen, a photo of King and the musical mates they shared shows with at L.A.s Troubadour Club in the very early 70s, a time when he said he was Joni Mitchells bitch. The song, though a staple of every supermarket loudspeaker, was still an intimate highlight, perfectly cadenced. More obscure fare, such as Mean Old Man and Valentines Day - both dark-hearted songs in merry, swinging disguise - joined with beloved hits such as Sweet Baby James and Steamroller Blues. Shower the People was one of two to employ a singing video of the Tanglewood Festival chorus, a great effect. The video screen showed everyone from Dick Nixon and the Rev. Moon to Elvis, the Red Sox and Stonehedge in prefacing the song Line Em Up. Taylors galumphing, enormous drum machine, a Rube Goldberg-like contraption, accompanied Chili Dog and Slap Leather, the latter sung through a megaphone. But it wasnt the adorable gimmicks that made this show valuable. It was seeing the full expression of a nuanced songwriter, a superb fingerpicking guitarist, and an ageless, agile singer. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:07:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: San Francisco phobia by Garrison Keillor [NJC] >but you're probably gay too -- or at least you support the "gay >agenda." I am...I don't hide it. ;-) I do support..I do I do I do.. (sorry..I'm silly tonight) You know...I hope we get past this gay thing. I realize there are a few neanderthals in the Conservative movement. And probably a few democrats out there who aren't as tolerant as they should be. >Bree, you also wrote (and this made me sit back in my chair): > > I don't know ...before I marched in any parade...I would want to check >out who was > > being represented there...who I was walking "hand and hand" with. > >Look, I don't support NAMBLA in any way, shape, or form, and I don't think >they should be considered part of LGBT culture. They're pedophiles; >they should have their own parade; perhaps Tom Foley could be the Grand >Marshall. I just read this to my sister..the Tom Foley part...she just cracked up. Actually...I was really talking about politicians when I wrote about who was walking next to me in a parade or hand and hand. I was really talking about Nancy Pelosi...or anybody in the political realm. Bree >>Lori >Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #379 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------