From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #376 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 12 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 376 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem ["Richard Fly] FW: Message from Website [Les Irvin ] a way to help, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC HAPPY NCOD [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: FW: Message from Website [Gary Z ] Can she sing...? C'mon! [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: The REAL interview ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Joni's writing again! ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem [RoseMJoy@aol] Re: FW: Message from Website [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Can she sing...? C'mon! [Bob Muller ] JT One Man Band Tour NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: The REAL interview [Michael Paz ] JONI JONI JONI [Michael Paz ] RE: Can she sing...? C'mon! ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem Don't give her any ideas, Bob! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM To: Catherine McKay Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem <"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."> And since it's OZYmandias, maybe she could get Ozzy to do backing vocals, like that WONDERFUL song she does with Billy Freakin' Idol. Or not. 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Thanking you in advance, Porter Jones Name: porter.jones email: hrc@fcc.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:16:46 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: a way to help, njc For those of you who would like to take action toward helping women in desperate situations who might abort their babies when they would prefer to keep them if they only had support throughout their pregnancy and afterwards, please see the following web site: _http://www.gabrielproject.com/_ (http://www.gabrielproject.com/) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:44:00 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC HAPPY NCOD Jerry wrote: > And to celebrate myself, I'm off to see Kathy Griffin tomorrow night! > And we're gonna be seeing Kathy in 2 1/2 hours from now! She's hilarious! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:51:18 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Well, with THAT first line I'd have to guess "Dida," Joni's duet with Joan Baez! Haven't heard it in awhile, does it have a stong bass line? Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit Les Irvin wrote: >Any guesses? Be sure to copy responses to Porter's email. > >-----Original Message----- >Can you help me identify a song by Miss Mitchell? It goes something like >this: a rapid strong bass line and then she sings something like: dah dah >dah dah, dah dah dah dah dah. > As you can tell, I have no music ability. > I know I hear the song on the radio and I guess it was thirty years >ago, maybe. > Thanking you in advance, > Porter Jones > >Name: porter.jones >email: hrc@fcc.net ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 2006 23:24:43 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Can she sing...? C'mon! Here is to those of you who fear that she can no longer sing. I just listened to Bob's Joni-cover-compilation no 81. Compare some of these really beautiful versions of River sung by younger singers with intact voices to Joni singing, for instance, Both Sides now on BSN. It's just not the same! I haven't been able to listen to BSN for almost a year now because somebody else has my copy of it, and still I can recall how she sings it, the intensity of it. These other songs I heard yesterday, and all I remember is that River is a obviously a well written song, and the voices are pretty, and that when one of them sings "I'm so hard to handle I'm selfish and sad" she clearly doesn't know what she is talking about. It's not the instrument that matters, it's the musician. Maybe she's got a lesser instrument these days, but it didn't take her long to learn to play it well. (sounds cheasy, but what can I do...). Same thing with Billie Holiday, her voice was really crap in the end, but her singing was excellent. In other words, I wouldn't worry! Ah, yes, there is one song on the compilation which I think is performed better than when JM sings it herself: Roine Stolt on Sex Kills. Unfortunately, I still don't reaaallly like that song. Enough from me, just thought I'd keep the happiness-that-she-is-recording on this list going for a little while longer..! Bene NP: Mark Linn "Men to beat". Anyone looking for a young sexy prince-funkyish pop / rock / blues singer with an outstanding voice, he's my favourite in that department. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:18:29 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: The REAL interview Debra Shea said, >I truly believed Joni would never record again; it seemed like she could neither sing, nor play, nor write anymore. But the muse endures.> Debra, I think you mean >the gift goes on> Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:27:40 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni's writing again! I missed Les' post yesterday. In case anyone else is catching up, the big news is: Joni's writing again! On October 7, 2006, Doug Fischer of the Ottawa Citizen said, >She's not sure how she'll market her new album - directly to listeners over the Internet seems a good bet - but she's determined the industry won't get a penny. Like many of her records since 1972's For The Roses, Ms. Mitchell's new recording will feature jazz musicians, notably her long-time drummer Brian Blade, saxophonist Wayne Shorter and possibly pianist Herbie Hancock. Ms. Mitchell will also play piano, along with electric and acoustic guitars and synthesizers. She is still working on the lyrics for several songs, refining and polishing as she goes along, sometimes altering the words enough that she's forced to change the musical accompaniment to suit them. "There's a lot of back and forth, back and forth," she said. "But it's coming." Here's the rest: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1460 The gift goes on, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:31:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem Catherine & Lucy....not to worry I do not take this personal...I just put it out there as a of reference to the interview. I don't like the guy or hate him, matter of fact I never even heard of him before now! lol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:40:25 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website from the number of syllables and strategically placed comma, I'd guess "YOU TURN ME ON, I'M A RADIO." but what do I know? LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Can she sing...? C'mon! Very cool - thanks for sharing your opinion on that, Bene - I agree with you and I like Sex Kills a lot. And I agree with you about Joni's version of River - it can move me to tears and very few covers come close, though there are a couple that are pretty awesome. Regarding Joni's voice, I don't have any problems with the changes in her instrument. I forgot who said that she's likely to be writing in her new (lower) range as opposed to straining to the higher one - that makes a lot of sense to me. Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "The Last Stop" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:38:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: JT One Man Band Tour NJC I stopped reading interviews with JT when his first marriage was imploding. I kept up with his work but separated out the person and his problems. I really enjoyed this article. The way he's figured out his family makes perfect sense to me because my family was haunted by the same demons. Exactly the same set. He's done the work and come to peace with it and I think I have too. Long ago he said, >Out to the west of Lambert's Cove >There is a sail out on the sun >and I'm onboard though very small. >I've come home to stop yearning. (Hi Kakki.) Jim L. Jenny provided this: >Here's a great article/interview about the tour. You have to register for free to read the whole thing, but it's worth it if you're a JT fan.> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/10/01/soul_searching ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:47:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Joni's writing again! Does anyone know Ani DiFranco or Mike Timmins well enough to hook Joni up on "Righteous Babe Records" or "Latent Records", respectively? All the best, Jim L. > On October 7, 2006, Doug Fischer of the Ottawa Citizen said, > >She's not sure how she'll market her new album - directly to > listeners over the Internet seems a good bet - but she's > determined the industry won't get a penny. > Here's the rest: > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1460 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:31:51 -0700 From: Subject: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem Wow Lucy, I don't think Joni or lots of people knew the poem was about evil empire. I certainly would never have known the background. There is nothing in it to the "uneducated" ear that speaks to that. I always thought it was just a sort of simple proverbial, philosophy of life kind of deal. Hold your head up, carry on, have courage and faith kind of thing. Joni mentioned in the interview that she has changed some of the words to make it more universal and not gender specific. I'm sure she did not know the background of this work as you do. I'd say to email her but she doesn't go there. Maybe a snail mail? I'm of mixed emotion with regard to Joni using someone elses words for her music. Then again, at least she is not paraphrasing and ripping them off like some have done and gives proper attribution. Oh well, maybe the music will be beautiful. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:56:15 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Hejira article photo Here is the B&W archive photo used by the Ottawa Citizen to illustrarte the Hejira article, published on October 7. I had not seen it before. Very moody. It looks like a concert shot from the Court and Spark era, mid-70's. Maybe someone has more details. Enjoy. http://download.yousendit.com/A31D30DA49254F1A Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Ready for the world's first international mobile film festival celebrating the creative potential of today's youth? Check out Mobile Jam Fest for your a chance to WIN $10,000! www.mobilejamfest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:24:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The REAL interview Me cup runneth over!!! Thanks Les and Richard. AND JONI!!!!!!!! Og to be a fly on the wall. Paz > The glass is half full! > > Richard > > Quoting Les Irvin : > >> Joe wrote: >>> What's weird is that it seems like such an afterthought here. You >>> would think (well, maybe we would think) that that whole article would >>> be about the recording of the new music, but that's just a detail >>> casually mentioned in passing. >> >> Like a magician's slight of hand, Sunday's "Hejira" article distracted us >> from the REAL interview published a day earlier: >> >> "Joni Mitchell has stepped out of retirement to work on her first album of >> new material in nearly a decade, driven by a desire to add a fresh voice to >> the warnings of pending disaster from war and environmental damage and offer >> "courage through tough times." Ms. Mitchell has already laid down the basic >> tracks for five songs in her home studio in Los Angeles. The album is still >> untitled... >> >> "Like most of her records since 1974's classic Court and Spark, Ms. Mitchell >> will employ the talents of long-time friends and jazz musicians, most >> notably Brian Blade on drums, Wayne Shorter on soprano sax and Herbie >> Hancock on piano. She intends to produce the album and will play piano and >> synthesizers too, as well as both acoustic and electric guitars, and overdub >> with pockets of orchestration." >> >> Full article: >> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1460 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:18:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: JONI JONI JONI Yeee haw. New words new music new Joan. Yeeeeee Haw! So happy! Go Detroit!!! Hi Casey! Hi Sue! Hi Gary! I am working with Kyle Eastwood tomorrow night at the W hotel as well as Roland Guerin (HI Lahm) at the Ogden Museum. You think I should request Trouble Man??? I am off to NYC over the weekend to do the Long Island Music Awards which should be a gas with Cindy Lauper and Billy Joel Dee Snyder (OH YEAH!) + a bunch of other names I can't remember right now. I will try to report from there. ATTENTION KaY ASHLEY!!!!! Lock your fecking door cause I am coming over to kick yer fertile ass! God I am so excited! I told you guys she wasn't done! How can she keep her mouth shut in times like these? Love ya guys Paz P.S. How come Julius didn't let this cat outta the bag? You think he coulda choked it out of her! Peace out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:24:59 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Can she sing...? C'mon! You made some very good points with some great insights. I would add too...a great musician.. well their music is just an extension of them. Joni is prime example of this...so while the voice maybe doesn't hit the highs and lows as it once did...it doesn't't really matter...it's the intensity... able to put something across and really making the listener feel it. It's a natural thing...something I don't think you can learn. A voice teacher can take a mediocre voice and make it better...but the intensity factor is altogether different. No worries from me! So looking forward to her new stuff. Bree >In other words, I wouldn't worry! > >Ah, yes, there is one song on the compilation which I think is performed >better than when JM sings it herself: Roine Stolt on Sex Kills. >Unfortunately, I still don't reaaallly like that song. > >>Bene > >NP: Mark Linn "Men to beat". Anyone looking for a young sexy >prince-funkyish pop / rock / blues singer with an outstanding voice, he's >my favourite in that department. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 'if' by rudyard kipling NJC Personal slant on this poem - --- kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Wow Lucy, > > I don't think Joni or lots of people knew the poem > was about evil empire. I > certainly would never have known the background. > There is nothing in it to > the "uneducated" ear that speaks to that. I always > thought it was just a > sort of simple proverbial, philosophy of life kind > of deal. Most likely Joni doesn't know that stuff. I imagine that she either read it in school, because the Canadian schools were very rah-rah-Britain back then, (pictures of the Queen on the walls and Canada was then the "Dominion" of Canada and always coloured pink on maps - go figure!), or her Dad may have read it to her when she was a little girl. Lots of Dads did. I'm being lazy here and tagging on a response to Richard's comments about the "Just so" stories and "The Jungle Book." I loved those stories when I was a kid. Maybe Kipling should have stuck with the kids' stories. I'm wondering if this is truly njc at this point but am not sure if Joni-onlies care about our personal views on Kipling. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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