From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #374 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 11 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 374 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 'if' by rudyard kipling [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: The REAL interview [Deb Messling ] RE: Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: The REAL interview [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Dylan and Joni and old has beens [] Re: better best the fest, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Hejira at 30 - 9 stories for 9 songs ["Michael O'Malley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:25:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: 'if' by rudyard kipling 'if' by rudyard kipling If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream - and not make dreams your master, If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:30:44 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The REAL interview Wow, This is amazing news. I truly believed Joni would never record again; it seemed like she could neither sing, nor play, nor write anymore. But the muse endures. It's my birthday. Happy birthday to me! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights Here, in San Antonio, there have been more babies under the age of two, dying from injuries inflicted by their own parents, than ever before. It's rampant, especially with the Hispanics. My mom gets outraged with them, when she's usually on the defense of the less-fortunate, uneducated, ignorant "Mexican-American." I'm pro-life. Yet, when I think of these most disgusting people, of any race or color, who hurt their children, or let the boyfriends beat them to death, I've told my mom in sarcasm and anger, "Mom, they're so damned fucked-up on drugs and stupid or something....even partial birth abortion would seem a more dignified death for these poor, little innocents. The stupids could have gone to an "underground" doctor, before the birth of the baby, let the baby's head come through the vagina, stick that gigantic stainless steel cannula up into the back of the baby's head, before the rest of the little body comes out and suck out that little brain stem out...then those sort of pompous physicians, who like performing abortions, can sell the newborn's organs underground. No, instead the parents and their lover/haters beat and pounce pain day in and day out on a baby child until it dies. They should think ahead and just let the baby's head come out, then kill him/her, instead of letting them be born, only to make the baby wait in pain and evil to their very early death....and the assholes wouln't go to jail and they could have made a little money at it, too." When I have spoken my mind to mother, when she hears about the baby murders and tells me, it gets her thinking about life in the womb as well, just as a born baby's life, both in full bloom and beauty. Norma Jean - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Yes..you are darn right I'm denying that I am in > favor of torture. And > the Bush administration is not advocating torture. > I'm diverting the > subject? Torture is torture! Using your > logic now...if indeed we are > using practices that would be considered tortuous on > non-citizens. ... > then logic tells me that we should look at the > torture that goes on everyday > in the country...the crime of partial-birth > abortion. So I am perplexed > why the left don't speak out against this cruel > late-term death? For the > most innocent who don't have a voice of their own? > Why is this > illogical? After all is was you who wrote > something about..."we can't > deny ANY HUMAN their human rights." > > > Bree > > >Bree, > > > > Again, I'll have to say that your argument is > illogical. In this case, > >you are denying that you are advocating torture, > and by diverting the > >subject to a different subject, e.g. partial birth > abortion (we were > >discussing the U.S. approving non-citizen suspects > being detained without > >due process, denying them some basic rights, and > torturing them in order to > >get information). I'm sure you have a big heart > Bree, and I value that, > >but to discuss a subject like this you must remain > on the subject and > >rationally discuss the subject at hand. > > > > Respectfully Yours, Alice > > > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Again...I don't know anyone advocating torture. > But I do know the mostly > >untold horrors that go on everyday in this > country... the mutilation and > >TORTURE of the most innocent...true innocents..... > the crime of > >partial-birth abortions. Where are the cries and > the outrage?! Where > >are the sobs? > > > > > > > >Bree > > > > > > > Bree is in favor of the torture of non-citizens, > etc. for the good of > > >the country. I know that I'm preaching to the > choir here but I have to > >put > > >in my two cents: > > > > > We are becoming more and more like the > governments that we are trying to > > >"free" people from. If we want to be a country > who fights for freedom, > > >human dignity, and human rights we cannot > accomplish this by becoming > >more > > >and more tyrannical, advocating torture, and > denying ANY HUMAN their > >human > > >rights. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: The REAL interview - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Wow, This is amazing news. I truly believed Joni > would never record again; > it seemed like she could neither sing, nor play, nor > write anymore. But the > muse endures. > > It's my birthday. Happy birthday to me! ` Happy Birthday, Deb. I'm happy and delighted, too, knowing that there's some beauty round the corner. Beauty, notes von Balthasar, "will not allow herself to be separated and banned from her two sisters (the true and the good) without taking them along with herself in an act of mysterious vengeance. Whoever rejects genuine beauty can no longer pray and soon will no longer be able to love." "Beauty is the radiance of all the transcendentals united."~Maritain~ "Elegant music has indeed a privileged place in any discussion of radiant form and the evidential power of the beautiful and how they relate to our human pursuit of the divine." ~Dubay~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:30:38 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Dylan and Joni and old has beens I tried to tell her, Bob, but she just laughed me off! Maybe it's a generation gap that I'm clueless about! ;-) I also said you can't compare Joni to Frampton and Bread and she laughed even more! Then perhaps I posed the ultimate challenge by offering her the use of my copy of the new Joni songbook with the real tuning stuff she could learn. She did not accept the offer. I guess the "what is popular, what is commercial" mindset permeates in ways somehow. Maybe it is because I am getting older but I really do appreciate not only the greats but also the not so greats still getting out there and playing. I recall a few years back visiting the opening of Mandalay Bay hotel in Vegas. Dylan has just headlined the opening weekend and the Blues Brothers were playing the in-house House of Blues. But I was so amazed and happy to hear the old Grass Roots playing the little lounge there! No one who loves music should give it up if they still want to play. So what if they are not still popular or can sing and look good like the old days. I just think it is wonderful they are out there if they want to be. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:47:34 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: better best the fest, njc I agree...and as I wrote ..torture is torture...we all bleed..we all feel pain. But it makes it a little bit harder to swallow when the recipient of that torture isn't even out of the womb yet. And has no voice yet....pure and innocent.....never had an evil thought..... > As for torture, I'm of the opinion torture is torture regardless of >the >innocence of a person. > > Let's celebrate Joni above the tumult and the >strife... how can we keep from singing? I don't think we can now that she has a new album coming out! Very up about that ! >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:59:07 -0700 From: Subject: Henry Diltz photography (no real Joni) Lesli - thanks for the great report and for letting us know about the new gallery! I figured the prices would be high for the work because they have been in the past. At least we can look, I guess ;-) You said: "jennifer said henry is writing a book and carries a notebook everywhere, scribbling down snippets of conversations." YES!! Oooh, I can't wait for Henry's book. That will be a good, must read. " i said hey ray bradbury does that and got another blank look. there's kakki's parallel universe at work." Haha! My mom knew Ray in the old days when they were young and anonymous in L.A. He didn't like to drive and so took the bus every day to work (as did my mom) and they became buddies. But geez, just a few years later he was required reading in my high school. Oh well. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:42:07 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Hejira at 30 - 9 stories for 9 songs Just back from a whirlwind holiday to points west, that included a stop near Ottawa. The Citizen also had another article by Doug Fischer on October 8th called Hejira -The 9 Stories Behind the 9 Songs. It's a bit too long for me to type here, but here are a few interesting tidbits that I thought might not already be common knowledge. The man in A Strange Boy was a 30-year old airline steward who accomanied Joni (as well as an Australian lover who had showed up at her door) on the now famous cross-country drive to New England in 1976. Said boy and Joni shook up the guests one night along the way when staying at an uptight B&B - - hence the lines ``While boarders were snoring under crisp white sheets of curfew/We were newly lovers then/We were fire in the stiff-blue-haired-house rules.`` Hejira was probably the toughest tune for her to write - an attempt to explain the reasons she left Guerin. After Song for Sharon came out, Sharon Bell made an album in Sakatoon, which she distributed to family and friends. Apparently she is a beautiful singer. Black Crow was inspired by an incident at Joni's BC home. It is, in part, a lament about about the logistical difficullty of travel to and from her home there - ferry, car, pontoon plane, etc. Blue Hotel Room was writen at the DeSoto Beach Motel, in Savannah, GA - an old funky lighthouse place on the beach. A regimen consisting of health food, vitamins and jogging helped her nurse her drug-soaked body back to health, after what she describes as ``the physical and mental abuse`` of Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review. As for Refuge of the Roads, she was apparently dragged to see Chogyam Trungpa against her will when traveling through Colorado, but was ultimately grateful that he took her to a place of enlightenment, where there was no ego and no drive.`` It is bliss and it is nothing.`` However (she concedes with a laugh) his advice that she stop the self-analysis and work to reduce her ego, wouldn't be much good for an artist such as herself. So great to hear there may be new music in the offing - will it be heard this winter in the Alberta Ballet show ? Les, would you like a paper copy of the complete Hejira article for the archives ? Send me an address off-list. Cheers, Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Ready for the world's first international mobile film festival celebrating the creative potential of today's youth? Check out Mobile Jam Fest for your a chance to WIN $10,000! www.mobilejamfest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:06:42 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Words to one of Joni's new songs Les wrote (Thank you very kindly): In the interview with the Citizen, Joni disclosed the words to several songs she is working on for her latest album. Here is one, a piece she described as "a good poem for courage through tough times, a soldier's poem, really." I write: Joni is right. This is a good poem. A good poem without the music (which none of us has heard). She rescues the refrain "If I had a heart I'd cry, which by itself is potentially banal, by its strategic placement, generating multiple and sophisticated ironies. I won't engage in an extended analysis tonight, but this one stands on its own without music. I'm a little more skeptical of rewriting Kipling's "If" but I reserve judgment ("of the moon and stars"?) till I've heard the setting and lyrical changes. But I must say that the lyrics of "Holy War" bode very well for this project. My glass runneth over! HOLY WAR There's nothing on earth As unholy as a war, The rich sacrifice the poor. If I had a heart I'd cry. In fairy tales the good go to heaven And the evil go to hell, Ring the funeral bell. If I had a heart I'd cry. Holy earth, religion has failed us, It failed to make us kind, It spoke of light but kept us blind. If I had a heart I'd cry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:20:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Police Searching for Missing Madwoman in Mansfield Hi Jonilovers! Woo hoo!!! Great news here tonight. Group hug! Warning: I'm just joking here, in case anyone is as addle-brained as I have been lately. The news of Joni finally speaking out has me all aflutter. I have been *needing* to hear Joni's voice to help me through these waves of madness lately, and I can't tell you how glad I am. "I need to believe in something, once I could in our love...." Go Joni! Bring it on! NEWS BULLETIN Police Searching for Madwoman in Mansfield Mansfield, CT (Combined Wire Services) Local and state police were called to a home in Mansfield at approximately 9:30 p.m. Tuesday evening after neighbors complained of loud, "caterwauling" music emanating from a ranch house on a hill on Briarcliff Road. When police arrived at the home, they found no one there. They entered the home and immediately turned off the offending stereo system, noting that every CD in the system was by a musician named Joni Mitchell. The computer was still on, and the screen read: JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 373 Very strange case. A subsequent call to police from a woman in nearby Columbia reported that one Patricia Parlette of Briarcliff Road had phoned her 15 minutes earlier, *screaming* into the phone: "JONI NEWS! OMG! OMG! Oh sweet Lord almighty Joni blah blah blah blah new album blah blah possible tour blah blah hysterical laugher and crying blah blah blah it was on the latest digest can you f#$%ing believe that Joni is FINALLY speaking out blah blah the world has gone mad just like i said today on the jmdl blah blah i gotta go call Mary she'll understand she went to the tribute with me blah blah blah." The caller told police she was concerned for Ms. Parlette's safety and well-being, as she has been known to go off her Joni nut at times, but never like this. Well, not since she broke the caller's arm when Joni appeared on stage on the Oakdale theater in May 2000. She shared that Ms. Parlette had recently been despondent over the state of the world and had been volunteering at the Jed Dumont for Senate campaign headquarters, wanting to change the world, rearrange the world. Volunteers at the headquarters confirmed that Ms. Parlette had worked the phone banks for 3 hours this evening, polling Democratic and unaffiliated voters. One volunteer overheard her saying to a prospective voter: "What do you mean, you're supporting Creeperman? F#$% that stranger! He's a defector from the petty wars. "Sour grapes, cause I lost my heart, that's all he is." Do you think JONI would support Creeperman?" Shortly after 9 p.m., neighbors stated that the suspect was out in the street in her nightgown, drinking Rhein wine and smashing empty glasses down, toasting to apparently nothing. She was ringing doorbells that came ringing up like Christmas bells and rapping up like pipes and drums, and her legs were all bruised from banging into things. She kept saying: "Joni speaks! Oh, speak again, bright angel!" Police found a trail of Joni Mitchell CD's in the driveway. One of her sons, Michael, who recently moved out of the family home after his circle game was completed, arrived at the scene. He confirmed that his mother had become increasingly strange over the past few years. She had been replacing many of the family home's decorations with "Joni stuff". Michael said: "Last year I came home to visit Mom and she had a framed picture of Joni with 'some random person with a ruby in his ear' in our kitchen! Totally weird." Her oldest son, Chris, now living in Chicago ("won't you please come Chicago,no one else can take your place!"), was equally concerned. "Michael and I discussed doing something with Mom -- you know, putting her in some kind of home for aging children -- but she seemed happy and content with her gorgeous new wings, and peaceful, with her good dogs and some trees, so we didn't count on nothin'...we just let it slide. She was feeling real good, springing from boulders like the mama lion we know she is, and our friends all told us that she was looking fine. Now I realize we should have done something more. After visiting,,we often just left her on her small white bed, where she fell into her Joni dreams." Chris and Michael, while concerned about their mother's whereabouts, both opined that their mother was not a threat to others or to herself, and that she should definitely NOT be charged with breach of purpose. "That would be a total travesty. Our mother is Another Mother for Peace. She is a registered "peacemaker" with Code Pink. She probably just went off to take a walk A park A bridge A tree A river She might just be laying on the formerly hissing summer lawn (end of summer now, no more shiny hot nights), gazing up at the matella moon, wondering about the judgement of the moon and stars. Police, still concerned about the well-being of this apparently loving and kind, but obviously unbalanced "both sides now" woman of heart and mind, will launch a complete investigation. They have seized her computer and plan to contact certain individuals on the "jmdl" (a possible terrorist, lunatic-fringe organization), especially focusing on characters such as: smurfadelica, treegreen1, cassysweet, anima-rising, djb@binkley (who the suspect's brother suspects of being some kind of weird "internet predator" who met his sister in Houston in some barangrill in May 2006), nyro_in_detroit, an oddmund person, scjoniguy, and you know there may be more. (Such as some queen lucy in the UK, who may have spoken with the suspect about root vegetable recipes last year, and some nuri guy in israel.) The Department of Homeland Security has also been called onto the case, since the suspect's ties with the Jed Dupont campaign have raised suspicions that she is a terrorist sympathizer. (However, every one who knows the suspect says "BOLLOCKS!" to that theory.) If anyone has information on the whereabouts on this person, please contact your local Sunset Pig. Totally daft ce soir, Your ever-Joni-loving Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:26:38 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: The Real Interview "Ms. Mitchell has already laid down the basic tracks for five songs in her home studio in Los Angeles." I thought I read she dismantled The Kiva and turned it into a painting studio. Anyone? CC "She points a pistol through the door. And she aims at a streetlight while the freeway hisses. Dogs bark as the gun falls to the floor. The street light's still burning, she always misses. But the day she hits, that's the day she'll leave." -- JM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #374 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------