From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 8 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 370 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: canada.com Story [Michael Flaherty ] njc, School Prayer, and you know.... ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Good Joni Fotage [Bob Muller ] Re: canada.com Story [Em ] NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson, now Ani ["Patti P] Re: canada.com Story ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: canada.com Story [RoseMJoy@aol.com] re: myspace and how the heck do I post? [snapple1984@aol.com] Re: canada.com Story [Doug ] "Modern Times" and ", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: "Modern Times" and ", njc [Em ] RE: "Modern Times" and ", njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Comparisons ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "Modern Times" and ", njc [Bob Muller ] njc, giving peace a chance, generally speaking ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC now Shawn Colvin ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: canada.com Story [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: canada.com Story ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] GoodBye Blue Sky/Garrison Keillor on human rights [Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights Bree, The point of the Geneva Conference was to take the subjectivity out of interpreting what was acceptable behavior and what was not. Anyone can act in any way they want and justify it as for the good of their country. Those such as Colin Powell and John McCain oppose the reinterpretation, not because they don't want to protect the U.S., but because the rightly fear for what it may mean for our very own soldiers who are captured and interrogated in the future. Jerry Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Most importantly...I don't think anyone is advocating torture. Isn't > torture subjective...?? > > I know someone who if forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh..well..that is > torture. Tickle me on the nose with a feather...TORTURE! > > Anyway....I don't think our government is advocating pulling anyone's > toenails off...or mutilations of any kind... > > again...I believe in the overall good of this country... > > Goodnight.. > > Bree ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:47:31 -0400 From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: canada.com Story Dear joni@smoe.org, Your friend rosemjoy@aol.com thought you might be interested in this canada.com story: "The trouble she's seen" http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=c5551bd3-2dea-4fc5-b5b8-81115aab7836&k=4978 The Trouble she's seen....Joni interviewed by the Ottawa Citizen _______________________________________ This is a free service courtesy of canada.com (http://www.canada.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights Hey JoniBuds, Bree is in favor of the torture of non-citizens, etc. for the good of the country. I know that I'm preaching to the choir here but I have to put in my two cents: For the "good" of this country, it's ok to torture & violate human rights? You cannot separate the means from then end. We are becoming more and more like the governments that we are trying to "free" people from. If we want to be a country who fights for freedom, human dignity, and human rights we cannot accomplish this by becoming more and more tyrannical, advocating torture, and denying ANY HUMAN their human rights. Bree, you mentioned that torture is subjective. I can only think that you are struggling with cognitive dissonance; that you can only defend the torture of human beings by viewing torture as not all that bad. Think about it, your argument defies logic. I am an American, I believe that human beings have great value and the right to freedom, dignity, and respect. For me, this is what it used to mean to be an American. Day by day, this is becoming less and less true. Alice Brown, A (no longer proud) American ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:05:27 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: canada.com Story ermmm to quote: "Mitchell talked about the album by phone from her home in Los Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of new songs in nearly a decade. More wary of public scrutiny these days, the Canadian singer agreed to a Citizen request to discuss Hejira because, she said, the album recalls an "interesting transitional" time in her life and her career." OMG... don't tease us JOni... just do it and tour! Jamie Zoob On 08/10/06, rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > Dear joni@smoe.org, > > Your friend rosemjoy@aol.com thought you might be interested in this canada.com story: > > "The trouble she's seen" > > http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=c5551bd3-2dea-4fc5-b5b8-81115aab7836&k=4978 > > The Trouble she's seen....Joni interviewed by the Ottawa Citizen > > _______________________________________ > This is a free service courtesy of > canada.com (http://www.canada.com) > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: canada.com Story Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: "Mitchell talked about the album by phone from her home in Los Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of new songs in nearly a decade. Sounds to me like this has expanded a bit from the last report--maybe a whole album? :-) Michael F. Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:23:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, School Prayer, and you know.... Beautiful way to start the day! Woke up, it was a you-know-what morning and the first thing that I saw on the JMDL was this, from Monseigneur Smurf: The poem is called "School Prayer," and was written by Diane Ackerman. School Prayer In the name of the daybreak and the eyelids of morning and the wayfaring moon and the night when it departs, I swear I will not dishonor my soul with hatred, but offer myself humbly as a guardian of nature, as a healer of misery, as a messenger of wonder, as an architect of peace. In the name of the sun and its mirrors and the day that embraces it and the cloud veils drawn over it and the uttermost night and the male and the female and the plants bursting with seed and the crowning seasons of the firefly and the apple, I will honor all life wherever and in whatever form it may dwellon Earth my home, and in the mansions of the stars. - ---- Yes! The "mansions of the stars" evokes "the night is a starry dome" for me. (JMOCD) "Guardian of nature" makes me think of our Marianne. It also reminds me a little of my favorite prayer, a framed copy of which is on my nightstand. (I bought this at the Santa Barbara Mission, Kate!) A Simple Prayer Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love; for it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life. Amen. Googling to get it (so I didn't have to type it all out) (weak and a lazy mind), I discovered that although it is widely attributed to St. Francis, it was first discovered in 1912 in France as an anonymous prayer card. Voila: Original Text of the Peace Prayer of St. Francis Seigneur, faites de moi un instrument de votre paix. L` oy il y a de la haine, que je mette l'amour. L` oy il y a l'offense, que je mette le pardon. L` oy il y a la discorde, que je mette l'union. L` oy il y a l'erreur, que je mette la viriti. L` oy il y a le doute, que je mette la foi. L` oy il y a le disespoir, que je mette l'espirance. L` oy il y a les tinhbres, que je mette votre lumihre. L` oy il y a la tristesse, que je mette la joie. T Mantre, que je ne cherche pas tant ` jtre consoli qu'` consoler, ` jtre compris qu'` comprendre, ` jtre aimi qu'` aimer, car c'est en donnant qu'on regoit, c'est en s'oubliant qu'on trouve, c'est en pardonnant qu'on est pardonni, c'est en mourant qu'on ressuscite ` l'iternelle vie. Let it be. Peace, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: human rights in poetry -- njc, but political, darn it From today's Writer's Almanac, a poem by Anthony Hecht. Timely, huh? The Ceremony of Innocence He was taken from his cell, stripped, blindfolded, And marched to a noisy room that smelled of sweat. Someone stamped on his toes; his scream was stopped By a lemon violently pushed between his teeth And sealed with friction tape behind his head. His arms were tied, the blindfold was removed So he could see his tormentors, and they could see The so-much-longed-for terror in his eyes. And one of them said, "The best part of it all Is that you won't even be able to pray." When they were done with him, two hours later, They learned that they had murdered the wrong man And this made one of them thoughtful. Some years after, He quietly severed connections with the others Moved to a different city, took holy orders, And devoted himself to serving God and the poor, While the intended victim continued to live On a walled estate, sentried around the clock By a youthful, cell phone-linked praetorian guard. . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:37:36 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: canada.com Story In a message dated 10/8/2006 9:28:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mflaher3@yahoo.com writes: Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: "Mitchell talked about the album by phone from her home in Los Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of new songs in nearly a decade. Sounds to me like this has expanded a bit from the last report--maybe a whole album? :-) Michael F. I'm very excited to say the least....I'm thinking tour rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:46:17 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Interview with The Ottawa Citizen The trouble she's seen Doug Fischer talks to Joni Mitchell about her seminal album, Hejira Doug Fischer The Ottawa Citizen Sunday, October 08, 2006 Whenever Joni Mitchell had trouble sorting out her life, she took to the road. But in early 1976, with a turbulent love affair on the rocks and too many drugs in her body, she hit the highway almost with a vengeance. "I was getting away from a romance, I was getting away from the craziness and I was searching for something to make sense of everything," she says. "The road became a metaphor for my life." And it inspired the album many of her fans and music critics consider her masterpiece. Released 30 years ago this week, the nine songs on Hejira form the remarkable personal journal of a nomadic, romantic dreamer whose aural notebook is filled with the stories of doomed love, late night roadhouse dance floors, wedding gown fantasies, lost chances and a deep yearning to escape and start over. Mitchell is not convinced Hejira is the best of the 22 albums that made her among the most influential singer-songwriters, male or female, of the past 40 years. She won't attach that label to any of her albums. The songs on Hejira: Dissecting the moodiest music of Joni Mitchell, C2 'Hejira could only have come from me' But she concedes Hejira is probably her one album that could not have been made by anyone else. "I suppose a lot of people could have written a lot of my other songs, but I feel the songs on Hejira could only have come from me," she said an interview with the Citizen. The stories they tell are so vivid, their observations so naked and the landscapes so haunting that Kris Kristofferson famously urged her in a letter to be "more self-protective ... to save something of yourself from public view." But Mitchell says self-confession, no matter how risky and revealing, was essential to her writing during that era. "My songs have always been more autobiographical than most people's," she says. "It pushes you toward honesty. I was just returning to normal from the extremities of a very abnormal mindset when I wrote most of the songs (on Hejira). "When life gets interesting I get very alert, and life was very interesting. I think that took the writing to another level." Mitchell talked about the album by phone from her home in Los Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of new songs in nearly a decade. More wary of public scrutiny these days, the Canadian singer agreed to a Citizen request to discuss Hejira because, she said, the album recalls an "interesting transitional" time in her life and her career. Musically, Hejira certainly marked a departure from the two jazz-tinged but radio-friendly albums that preceded it. Gone were the hummable melodies, conventional formats and jaunty horn sections she used as Top 40 flirtations on 1974's Court and Spark and '75's The Hissing of Summer Lawns. In their place, Mitchell offered seductively sparse rhythms, lush swirling guitars and the brilliant spark of Jaco Pastorius's fretless bass to create an unceasing musical motion that is as mesmerizing as the highways she travels in her songs. The album is also a departure lyrically. Using the music's structural looseness to her advantage, Mitchell gives her words a simple directness and poetic polish seldom seen in her music before and rarely found again. "To me, the whole Hejira album is really inspired," Mitchell says. "There is a rootlessness to it, for sure, but also discovery along the road." Despite good reviews, Hejira did not sell as briskly as the more accessible albums Mitchell released during the first half of the 1970s. Although exact numbers are hard to get, there are indications sales of Hejira are stronger today than ever. Voting on jonimitchell.com, an excellent fan-driven website, ranks Hejira as Mitchell's most popular album. A critics' poll done in the late 1990s placed the album in a first-place tie with the Blue, a moody collection of love songs she recorded in 1971. Mitchell says Hejira's songs were written during or after three journeys she took in late 1975 and the first half of 1976. The first was a concert tour cancelled amid turmoil after six weeks in February 1976 when Mitchell and her drummer boyfriend John Guerin ended their on-again, off-again relationship, this time seemingly for good. Soon after, Mitchell signed on with Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review, a ragged, drug-soaked circus that also variously included Joan Baez, Mick Ronson, Roger McGuinn, Ronee Blakely, Allan Ginsburg and members of the Band. She soon became a frequent cocaine user. "I realized you couldn't stay on that thing straight -- you'd be the only one," she explains. "It was just insane." Looking back, she says, the drugs had both "great and disastrous" effects: "I had terrible insomnia but I wrote a lot of epic poems," including Song for Sharon, for many the masterpiece around which Hejira orbits. In danger of losing her equilibrium, Mitchell fled for home in Los Angeles. She was only back a few days when two friends, one of them a former lover from Australia, showed up at her door proposing they drive across the country to New England. Mitchell eventually dropped them in Maine before heading alone down the coast to Florida, around the Gulf of Mexico and across the southwest back to California. "I was driving without a driver's licence," she remembers. "I had to stay behind truckers because they signal you when cops are ahead. I had to drive in daylight hours only to stay out of harm's way." In the South, where hard rock and country music dominated the airwaves, Mitchell was a virtual unknown. "It was a relief. I was able, like The Prince and the Pauper, to escape my fame under a false name and fall in with people and enjoy ordinary civilian status." The cross-country sojourn resulted in six of the songs on Hejira, which Mitchell says was originally called Travelling -- "that wouldn't have been very memorable," she jokes. While looking through a dictionary, Mitchell came across the word "hejira," an Islamic term for exodus or breaking with the past. It became a song title - -- and against the will of her record company, which wanted something less cryptic -- the name of the album. "I'd been struggling with a title for the song," she says. "The idea of departure with honour captured the feeling I was after very well." ) The Ottawa Citizen 2006 I'm still wondering who that Travelling Australian was.................could it have been her teacher........nah....she was too young ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ottawa article - thanks Rose! I enjoyed the article a lot Rosie - thanks for sharing it. I hope the bit about her new songs is true, obviously...and yes Jamie I'm watching CDUniverse too to see if and when these "expanded" versions happen or if it's just a false alarm. I got a big laugh about her comment about being on the Rolling Thunder and doing cocaine just to cope. Could be lots of exciting Joni news in the coming months. Hope so. Bob NP: The Smashing Pumpkins, "Silverf*ck" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Good Joni Fotage Jeff, in case you don't already know - Youtube.com has lots of Joni clips, just use their search engine and enjoy. I was watching some clips from 1994 there just yesterday. Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Wish You Were Here" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: canada.com Story wow thanks Rose! This is huge, right????? she's recording???? am I hallucinating??? She's being so candid here. Also I feel good about what she said about her Hejira "hejira" - that it radiated clockwise down from New England and back over to the west. Thats exactly how I had it in my head. I like the thought of Joni driving driving driving behind the truckers. ALONE. But this thing sh said - that she thinks that her other songs "could" have been written by someone else - I just don't see it. Can't see her songs emerging from someone else's skull/pen/heart. Maybe Joni's gettting ready to pop!!!!!! this has uplifted my Sunday morning! in fact I had to go back and check the date on the article - to make sure it wasn;t an old one from pre TI days. Hot damn! hey Rose, if you're the messenger of this one, guess we'd have to do the opposite of kill you - whatever that might be! Em - --- rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > Dear joni@smoe.org, > > Your friend rosemjoy@aol.com thought you might be interested in this > canada.com story: > > "The trouble she's seen" > > http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=c5551bd3-2dea-4fc5-b5b8-81115aab7836&k=4978 > > The Trouble she's seen....Joni interviewed by the Ottawa Citizen > > _______________________________________ > This is a free service courtesy of > canada.com (http://www.canada.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:07:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson, now Ani Muller wrote: >**You know I'm just teasin' with you about your moldy oldies and your >hippie buddies - to quote another moldy oldie, I love you just the way you >are. > Ha! You criticize and you flatter! You want musical stimulation -- nothing more -- that's what I think! Thank you for the Ani link and for all the new music you give us to grow and feed on. I'll try to keep myself open up to you. Love, Patti P, kicking and screaming as the Musik Meister drags her from the Woodstock generation into the new millennium theater.....21st century here we go >digital whiplash (Ani quote. So THERE!) > > > >Hi Patti, and thanks for mentioning the Howard Zinn mention of my favorite >little folksinger. Her 2006 release "Reprieve" has been in steady rotation >(mostly in my car since Mrs. SCJoniguy doesn't like "that Annie person", as >she calls her). Ani's like Mr. Ed in that she doesn't speak unless she's >got something to say...and she speaks a lot and says a lot on Reprieve >(which was almost lost to Katrina but was personally saved by Michael >Paz!*) > >Since you enjoy constantly quoting all those moldy oldies by your hippie >buddies, I'll post the lyrics to her new song "Millennium Theater" which I >hope you enjoy and which I hope inspires you to update your music >collection every now and then. > >You can even hear it on her website: >http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/reprieve/songs.asp > >millennium theater >get out there and buy that water and gas >ramadan, orange alert >everybody put on your gas mask >first leak it out about the president >then stand up and shout impeachment >pull them coattails out from under that little v.p. >before he has a chance to get in the driver's seat >millennium spectacle >everybody put on a show >slip the little prince in the back door >21st century here we go >digital whiplash >so many formats so little time >while out in tv nation >under darkening skies >the resistance is just waiting >to be organized >halliburton, enron >chief justices for sale >yucca mountain goddesses >their tears they form a trail >trickle down pollution >patriarchies realign >while the ice caps melt >and new orleans bides her time >new orleans bides her time >ladies and gentlemen >welcome to tonight's show >the millennium theater >asks that you not smoke >please turn off your cell phones >and forget what you think you know ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: canada.com Story Don't get too excited. We've heard these kinds of plans before. Jerry Michael Flaherty wrote: > Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: "Mitchell talked > about the album by phone from her home in Los > Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of > new songs in nearly a decade. > > Sounds to me like this has expanded a bit from the last report--maybe a > whole album? > > :-) > > Michael F. > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:23:02 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: canada.com Story In a message dated 10/8/2006 10:17:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: hey Rose, if you're the messenger of this one, guess we'd have to do the opposite of kill you - whatever that might be! lol rosie with a smile on her face this morning Now having breakfast with Bruce NP:The Promised Land ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:27:48 -0400 From: snapple1984@aol.com Subject: re: myspace and how the heck do I post? I hope this works, it seems like when I press reply, nothing ever happens. I never see my posts pop up on the list. Can someone enlighten me as to why this is? I also have a myspace page with a few songs on it: www.myspace.com/kirawhoshouldbegay The URL is kind of dumb, it was an inside joke because I am so into folk music and the whole Northhampton scene and people like Holly Near and Janis Ian that everyone used to say I must be a lesbian. I never gave them the satisfaction of answering that! Kira Lesley Snapple1984@aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:53:53 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: canada.com Story I'm pretty much a born skeptic, but this looks fairly definite to me. The key words are "recording" and "new collection of songs". That is, unless she decides it's all crap and shelves it - the skeptic in me again. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:48:24 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "Modern Times" and ", njc Bob Muller and Em Alvarez, Thanks for recommending Bob Dylan's new one. In the Rolling Stone article I learned that he produced it all himself. That surprised me because, although I don't have the stats in front of me, I think he's usually relied upon a producer. It seems incongruous that, at 65, he wanted to expend MORE energy on a record. Some of songs borrow heavily from other songs (as he did on "Love and Theft") but it's novel to hear Dylan interpreting others instead of the other ways round. Is he quoting Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks" or an old blues when he sings this? >If it keeps on raining >the levee's gonna break In several places, this record sounds like a Traveling Wilburys' record; it sounds like they had fun making it, even thought the old guy breaks meter right, left, and center. This record is amusing and fun. Plus, as others have said, he really does sing on some tracks like "Beyond the Horizon". Every arrangement is founded in roots rock of some kind, but are varied enough to keep things interesting. To me, "Modern Times" stands up to daily listening. I like it too. (This is a "me too" post, sorry.) Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:53:47 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights I understand that Jerry..I was being a bit facetious. President Bush and co. wanted a more clearer definition. Why? Because this enemy is like no other we have ever faced. My point really is that this country OVERALL is for the good...the good outweighs the bad. Bree >Bree, > >The point of the Geneva Conference was to take the subjectivity out of >interpreting what was acceptable behavior and what was not. Anyone can act >in any way they want and justify it as for the good of their country. >Those such as Colin Powell and John McCain oppose the reinterpretation, >not because they don't want to protect the U.S., but because the rightly >fear for what it may mean for our very own soldiers who are captured and >interrogated in the future. > >Jerry > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Most importantly...I don't think anyone is advocating torture. Isn't > > torture subjective...?? > > > > I know someone who if forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh..well..that is > > torture. Tickle me on the nose with a feather...TORTURE! > > > > Anyway....I don't think our government is advocating pulling anyone's > > toenails off...or mutilations of any kind... > > > > again...I believe in the overall good of this country... > > > > Goodnight.. > > > > Bree ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:02:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights Hi Alice and all... I can't answer this right now ...I'm heading out the door to see Chicago at a Casino resort in Indiana. Probably torturous music to some.... ;-)??? Later... Bree >Hey JoniBuds, > > Bree is in favor of the torture of non-citizens, etc. for the good of >the country. I know that I'm preaching to the choir here but I have to put >in my two cents: > > For the "good" of this country, it's ok to torture & violate human >rights? You cannot separate the means from then end. We are becoming more >and more like the governments that we are trying to "free" people from. If >we want to be a country who fights for freedom, human dignity, and human >rights we cannot accomplish this by becoming more and more tyrannical, >advocating torture, and denying ANY HUMAN their human rights. > > Bree, you mentioned that torture is subjective. I can only think that >you are struggling with cognitive dissonance; that you can only defend the >torture of human beings by viewing torture as not all that bad. Think >about it, your argument defies logic. > > I am an American, I believe that human beings have great value and the >right to freedom, dignity, and respect. For me, this is what it used to >mean to be an American. Day by day, this is becoming less and less true. > > Alice Brown, A (no longer proud) American ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:18:32 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: JT One Man Band Tour (SJC) Hey, if you have a chance to see James Taylor on his tour of the east coast this month, go. He played last night in Northampton in a 1300 seat historic theater and it was a really great show. Good thing 'cause the tickets weren't cheap and Joni is the only other person I've ever paid that much to go see. He played with a keyboardist primarily and on a couple of tunes was accompanied by what I can only describe as a giant analog drum machine - a boat-sized wooden contraption with a roller and all these cogs and gears and components of a drum set. Very strange. James treated to slide shows. Family pics and videos and other visual cues to his songs. The Joni portion of the evening: He recounted playing the Troubador with Carole King way back when and how he use to come out to hear her play "You've Got a Friend" every night and he told her how much he liked it and she, being a generous soul, told him to go ahead and record it. He displayed a photo of him and Carole and Leland Sklar and Danny Kortchmar and a couple other people and described himself as the "skinny guy who looks like Joni Mitchell with a mustache". He mentioned that he asked Joni to sing back up on "You've Got a Friend" and she did and up on the screen flashed a black and white of him and Joni from long ago and far away. And that made me smile from ear to ear. I have to say I had vowed never to see James in concert again because I was tired of sitting in a crowd of thousands listening to a parade of greatest hits. But I had this brilliant insight - for this concert - a concert to which only his biggest fans would spend the money or make the effort to get tickets to (sold out in 15 minutes) - for this concert he would surely dig deep and treat us to something other than "Fire and Rain" and the other usual suspects. And I was dead wrong. So that was disappointing. But he made up for it with all the stories and the photos and a dry and hilarious wit. James is one funny guy. Who knew? Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:23:55 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc Bob wrote to Patti >Since you enjoy constantly quoting all those moldy oldies by your hippie >buddies yeah, I love it when she does that. : -) _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "Modern Times" and ", njc - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: It seems incongruous that, at 65, he wanted to > expend MORE > energy on a record. maybe this comes from a desire to make a good, healthy sounding record. I forget where he said it, but I think he (Dylan) said something to the effect that there's a lot of mush coming out of records he hears these days. Not referring to song writing, or performance or even arrangeing, but more to production. And I completely understood. (I think) I mean, when a record from the late 50's-early 60's from Chuck Berry, for example, recorded on a 2 track sounds healthier than the muddy produced into oblivion mush from now, then maybe its time to take matters into his (Bob's) own hands. So Jim, what do you think about the way the CD sounds, besides arrangements and other content? what about the sound itself? its healthy, right? or is it just me? jumps right out of the speakers? Maybe Bob wanted to see if he could make it happen. Or if that kind of sound was in fact, a thing of the past, from the days when our ears were better. Heck I see "old" 65 year old guys doing all kinds of neat things - building awesome vintage motorcycles, and other things. Bob is INTO music!!! He remains ever the journeyman, rather than heading for "master" territory, where he might molder. Ripen and rot. My sense is the man LOVES it! he's not just in it for a paycheck. He still wears wood for roots rock and roll. As does Springsteen. God bless 'em both! Its really irritating to some people, how Bob keeps on keeping on, but to me, his run is one of the bright things about life. Its just good to see. And hear! No more wet blankets on my speakers! :D Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:01:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Modern Times" and ", njc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:48 AM To: JMDL; Em Alvarez; Bob Muller Subject: "Modern Times" and ", njc Bob Muller and Em Alvarez, Thanks for recommending Bob Dylan's new one. In the Rolling Stone article I learned that he produced it all himself. That surprised me because, although I don't have the stats in front of me, I think he's usually relied upon a producer. It seems incongruous that, at 65, he wanted to expend MORE energy on a record. Dylan produced "Love and Theft" under the same pseudonym: Jack Frost. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:03:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Comparisons Bobsart >I confess to evil thinking along similar lines, a la mode of, say, Larry David. In a sense, Joni's relative lack of mass popularity allows space for my view that she is, indeed, the greatest artist of our time. In my view, mass popularity would virtually preclude such a claim. Of course, I recognize that while this relative lack of mass appeal might arguably be a necessary condition, it is certainly not sufficient. That is where the views of the "congnoscenti" come into play. Other artists and critics (along with me ;-)) agree in percentages disproportionate to those of the masses.< I've always argued that joni did have mass popularity equal to anyone. At least in my world- & most especially during her early career. Everyone knew her- she was the queen. But since then I think she has become less so, primarily because she has not really been producing any new material in quite some time. I love T'log but it isn't really new work. Bobsart >To me, however, the gap between Joni and Dylan is greater on the various musical levels than on the lyrical level. There is simply no comparison musically. In terms of importance in a socio-political sense, Joni suffers by comparison to Dylan;< Ironically, Dylan claims not to have been consciously wanting that socio-political tag (preferring song & dance man) but there are a few of his songs that undeniably place him there whether he wants to be or not... I think mainly dylan continues producing new work, and touring which keeps him in the public eye especially among those in generations that did not grow up with him... Bobsart >in this case, in the realm of music and art - a woman does outshine the men in her (singer songwriter) category, such recognition still comes late if at all, and reservedly if not reluctantly. Perhaps it is a matter of courage, or ego. And of course, there is more subjectivity inherent in evaluating artistic achievement than in certain other arenas. I think it even more ironic, though, that the clamor is not even greater among women. Why is that, I wonder ? Joni is a shining example of a woman who is the greatest at what she does. She's like ....... Tiger Woods :-) So, bravo to Nerina Pallot for speaking out! (And let's hear it from the rest of you women out there - go ahead, even if it bruises some male egos !) well, you are right about subjectivity evaluating artistic achievement... I think if you go back and read a lot of joni's quotes throughout the years you will see her frustration of being a talented woman in what was then, perhaps even more than now, a business run by men... her decisions early on, to do it her way & to buck the system is as admirable, to me, as her artistic achievements... I don't understand all the whys & wherefores of sexism but it is still alive & well in this culture... when I run into it I am at first usually perplexed, not really expecting, it until I realize that it is what unconsciously drives some (in my experience) men of a certain age (but not all by any means)... these are men who grew up in a different work culture & I think are still adjusting to the change in the workforce ... okay I've gotten off on a tangent here but my point is that yes, being a woman inherently can create an invisible barrier (& if you are beautiful & smart like joni even more so because of the unwillingness to go along with some unspoken rules of engangement so to speak) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Modern Times" and ", njc Love & Theft was also self-produced under his pseudonym of Jack Frost. Career-wise I'm not sure how much he's produced. As for his recording of "When The Levee Breaks", he's reaching back a lot further than Zep's recording to Memphis Minnie's 1929 recording I think. And although "Beyond The Horizon" is an original, the melody is dang-near note-for-note a replication of The Platters' "Red Sails In The Sunset", except for the bridge. If you've ever heard his radio show on XM, his knowledge of older recordings is astounding. And lyrically speaking, the line that stands out the most to me is when he says "I don't need a guide, I already know the way". It comes off as a declaration of confidence that shines through the whole record. This is a guy who knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't really care what anyone thinks which of course makes it endearing. You hit the nail on the head by calling the album "amusing & fun", I really feel that vibe as well. Glad you're digging it. Bob has said that he feels he's at the mid-point in his career, and there's no reason to think that he hasn't got lots of work this good still in him. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Blackpatch" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:09:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc, giving peace a chance, generally speaking >It was not the famousness of the general (generally speaking, that is....LOL *again*!) that freaked me out, but his being a general in the *military*. I have the utmost respect for the military, but I am not a military-type person. I hear the word "military" and Graham's "Military Madness" starts playing in my head.< Congratulations patti again on this great & well deserved honor... I can understand what you mean completely & it must have been daunting to be in the presence of someone so charismatic... I was excited when he was in the running for president last time around because I thought his real experience with war would surely blow bush's crew out of the running... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:15:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 'The Photography Of Henry Diltz' Let us know how much the photos are going for (if they are not already gone)! He tours quite a bit with his photo exhibition & is very friendly "Born in Kansas City, MO, Henry Diltz moved around the globe with his family while growing up. He briefly attended West Point, then took up the banjo and co-founded the Modern Folk Quartet." What an interesting background he has. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:22:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC now Shawn Colvin Fred >I love These Four Walls, but I also love A Whole New You ... why were you hard on it, Bob? "Comeback" from what? "Return" to which form? < I have not yet purchased this album but soon will... I'm not bob but I will chime in anyway. I also was very disappointed in wny because it seemed to lack something which I realized was her incredible guitar... she's an awesome guitar player & I love her driving rhythm that was absent from wny... the songs were less interesting to me also... I play her other albums all the time & love fat city, but wny is gathering dust... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: canada.com Story The journalist, however, doesn't seem too excited at all. Nuri "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: Don't get too excited. We've heard these kinds of plans before. Jerry Michael Flaherty wrote: > Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: "Mitchell talked > about the album by phone from her home in Los > Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of > new songs in nearly a decade. > > Sounds to me like this has expanded a bit from the last report--maybe a > whole album? > > :-) > > Michael F. > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail. - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:58:29 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: canada.com Story LOL! I guess it's their 'journalistic impartiality' coming into play. He's obviously a fan of her music (well, Hejira) though... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 08/10/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > The journalist, however, doesn't seem too excited at all. > > Nuri > > "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > Don't get too excited. We've heard these kinds of plans before. > > Jerry > > Michael Flaherty wrote: > > Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: "Mitchell talked > > about the album by phone from her home in Los > > Angeles, where she revealed she's recording her first collection of > > new songs in nearly a decade. > > > > Sounds to me like this has expanded a bit from the last report--maybe a > > whole album? > > > > :-) > > > > Michael F. > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: GoodBye Blue Sky/Garrison Keillor on human rights I admit to be stimulated by political content threads....but sometimes, it feels like a hard slap on the face when the whole truth of this surreal reality we are living in hits me. So, last evening, I decided to retreat into myself underneath the night sky, instead of juke-box diving to Leon Russell...Gruene Hall was getting sold out and I was in no mood to wear my cowgirl jeans and cowboy boots. I felt comfort here with you all's thoughts, comments, and ideas instead. After reading the Joni list, I bonded with my pets, went outside along with my boom-box, cigarettes, a bottle of cool water and a rolled one. Put Joni singing Roger Water's, "Goodbye Blue Sky," on my backyard boom-box. Oh my God, her voice is my river to run away on, when I want to cry to My Father because the wicked ones know not what they do and I ask Him why it feels like He abandons His true ones....but the wail in Joni's voice is the cry from my heart and soul and I feel better. Goodbye Blue Sky is such a beautiful song. No matter how much I feel the seams of this precious Earth could burst, I do not fear, because I see the doves in the dungeon being released, a few at a time. I thank you all for being you. After I had Joni on repeat for about 50 times on "Good Bye Blue Sky," I finished the evening with "Songs Of A Prairie Girl." "Cherokee Louise," done in orchestral version makes me cry my angrily and heartbroken....but it is necessary because the tears are always followed by an ever growing deep rooted conviction for completing my circles of compassion and courageousness . I move on to love the innocent ones, the animals, the plants, and everything else with so much more compassion, that it hurts. Went to my room, lit up another one and fell asleep in Chavez Ravine. Ry Cooder, did a musical, compassionate masterpiece, in my world. Norma Jean * - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I think Garrison Keillor is a very talented and > witty guy. .... BUT I > think he is dead wrong. Desperate times call for > desperate measures. I > believe in the overall good of this country...I have > to believe that..I do > believe that..... or I think we are sunk. Didn't > Lincoln suspend Habeas > Corpus for a bit during the Civil war? And he is > all wet when he says he > has no worries because he is not a Jew..or most > Christians believe that > ..he's totally missing the point....so missing the > point...did I say he's > missing the point....can't say that enough. (lets' > say if this was JUST > against the Jews...wouldn't we have the moral > obligation to help them > anyway?) Jihad is against all that think > differently than they..we are all > infidels. > > Bree > > > , 07 Oct 2006 19:45:24 +0000 > > > >WARNING: Political content > > > >Here's Garrison Keillor tellin' it like it is. I > debated sending this but > >ultimately decided it needs to be shared, because > we need to be aware. > >Plus, he's such a good writer. And he likes > prairies! > > > >I already shared it with someone else on this list > and it gave him the > >"willies"! very serious> > > > >U.S. Takes Low Road > >October 3, 2006 > >GARRISON KEILLOR > > > >I would not send my college kid off for a semester > abroad if I were you. > >We have suspended human rights in America, and what > goes around comes > >around. Ixnay habeas corpus. > > > >The U.S. Senate, in all its splendor and majesty, > has decided that an > >"enemy combatant" is any non-citizen whom the > president says is an enemy > >combatant, including your Korean greengrocer or > your Swedish grandmother > >or your Czech au pair, and can be arrested and > held for as long as > >authorities wish without any right of appeal to a > court of law to examine > >the matter. If your college kid were to be > arrested in Bangkok or Cairo, > >suspected of "crimes against the state," and held > in prison, you'd assume > >that an American foreign service officer would be > able to speak to your > >kid and arrange for a lawyer, but this may not be > true anymore. Be > >forewarned. > > > > > >The Senate also decided it's up to the president to > decide whether it's OK > >to make these "enemy combatants"stand naked in cold > rooms for a couple > >days in blinding light and be beaten by > interrogators. They have no right > >to see the evidence against them, and there is no > appeal. This was passed > >by 65 senators and will now be signed by Mr. Bush, > put into effect, and in > >due course be thrown out by the courts. > > > >It's good that Barry Goldwater is dead because this > would have killed him. > >Go back to the Senate of 1964 - Goldwater, Dirksen, > Russell, McCarthy, > >Javits, Morse, Fulbright - and you won't find more > than 10 votes for it. > > > >None of the men and women who voted for this bill > has any right to speak > >in public about the rule of law anymore, or to take > a high moral view of > >the Third Reich, or to wax poetic about the > American Ideal. Mark their > >names. Any institution of higher learning that > grants honorary degrees to > >these people forfeits its honor. Alexander, > Allard, Allen, Bennett, Bond, > >Brownback, Bunning, Burns, Burr, Carper, > Chambliss, Coburn, Cochran, > >Coleman, Collins, Cornyn, Craig, Crapo, DeMint, > DeWine, Dole, Domenici, > >Ensign, Enzi, Frist, Graham, Grassley, Gregg, > Hagel, Hatch, Hutchison, > >Inhofe, Isakson, Johnson, Kyl, Landrieu, > Lautenberg, LIEBERMAN, Lott, > >Lugar, Martinez, McCain, McConnell, Menendez, > Murkowski, Nelson of > >Florida, Nelson of Nebraska, Pryor, Roberts, > Rockefeller, Salazar, > >Santorum, Sessions, Shelby, Smith, Specter, > Stabenow, Stevens, Sununu, > >Talent, Thomas, Thune, Vitter, Voinovich, Warner. > > > >If, however, the court does not, then our country > has taken a step toward > >totalitarianism. If the government can round up > someone and never be > >required to explain why, then it's no longer the > United States of America > >as you and I always understood it. Our enemies > have succeeded beyond their > >wildest dreams. They have made us become like > them. > > > >I got some insight last week into who supports > torture when I went down to > >Dallas to speak at Highland Park Methodist Church. > It was spooky. I walked > >in, was met by two burly security men with walkie- > talkies, and within 10 > >minutes was told by three people that this was the > Bushes' church and that > >it would be better if I didn't talk about > politics. I was there on a book > >tour for "Homegrown Democrat," but they thought it > better if I didn't > >mention it. So I tried to make light of it: I told > the audience, "I don't > >need to talk politics. I have no need even to be > interested in politics - > >I'm a citizen, I have plenty of money and my > grandsons are at least 12 > >years away from being eligible for military > service." And the audience > >applauded! Those were their sentiments exactly. > We've got ours, and who > >cares? > > > >The Methodists of Dallas can be fairly sure that > none of them will be > >snatched off the streets, flown to Guantanamo, > stripped naked, forced to > >stand for 48 hours in a freezing room with > deafening noise, so why should > >they worry? It's only the Jews who are in danger, > and the homosexuals and > >gypsies. The Christians are doing just fine. If > you can't trust a > >Methodist with absolute power to arrest people and > not have to say why, > >then whom can you trust? > > > >Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion" can > be heard Saturday nights > >on public radio stations across the country. This > piece was distributed by > >Tribune Media Services. > > > >---- > > > >If you are an American and your senator's name is > on that list and is up > >for re-election, throw the bum out on Joni's > birthday, November 7th. > > > >Love, and no torture, > > > >Patti P. Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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