From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #369 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 8 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 369 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- School Prayer -- njc [Smurf ] Re: School Prayer -- njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Comparisons [Bobsart48@aol.com] njc, giving peace a chance, generally speaking ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson [Em ] njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson [Bob Muller ] RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: School Prayer -- njc If the subject line has you thinking I am starting a new political thread -- wrong! I just thought some of you might like this poem that was featured in today's Writer's Almanac, which is a free poem-a-day service provided by Garrison Keillor and the Poetry Foundation. The poem is called "School Prayer," and was written by Diane Ackerman. School Prayer In the name of the daybreak and the eyelids of morning and the wayfaring moon and the night when it departs, I swear I will not dishonor my soul with hatred, but offer myself humbly as a guardian of nature, as a healer of misery, as a messenger of wonder, as an architect of peace. In the name of the sun and its mirrors and the day that embraces it and the cloud veils drawn over it and the uttermost night and the male and the female and the plants bursting with seed and the crowning seasons of the firefly and the apple, I will honor all life wherever and in whatever form it may dwellon Earth my home, and in the mansions of the stars. . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: School Prayer -- njc Absolutely gorgeous. Smurf wrote: > If the subject line has you thinking I am starting a > new political thread -- wrong! I just thought some of > you might like this poem that was featured in today's > Writer's Almanac, which is a free poem-a-day service > provided by Garrison Keillor and the Poetry > Foundation. The poem is called "School Prayer," and > was written by Diane Ackerman. > > School Prayer > > In the name of the daybreak > and the eyelids of morning > and the wayfaring moon > and the night when it departs, > > I swear I will not dishonor > my soul with hatred, > but offer myself humbly > as a guardian of nature, > as a healer of misery, > as a messenger of wonder, > as an architect of peace. > > In the name of the sun and its mirrors > and the day that embraces it > and the cloud veils drawn over it > and the uttermost night > and the male and the female > and the plants bursting with seed > and the crowning seasons > of the firefly and the apple, > > I will honor all life > wherever and in whatever form > it may dwellon Earth my home, > and in the mansions of the stars. > > > . > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:16:09 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Comparisons Lieve quoted Nerina Pallot: "I maintain that if Joni Mitchell had been born a man she would have been bigger than Bob Dylan. I absolutely believe that - she Sh*ts on him lyrically. She's a better musician, a better singer... everything about her is better. And I love Bob Dylan. But if I have to go to the grave over one of them it would be Joni Mitchell." I believe it was Benedicte who replied: "First of all I'm glad she was not born a man, and secondly I am glad she was never as big as Dylan. I like my favourites a bit exclusive..." I confess to evil thinking along similar lines, a la mode of, say, Larry David. In a sense, Joni's relative lack of mass popularity allows space for my view that she is, indeed, the greatest artist of our time. In my view, mass popularity would virtually preclude such a claim. Of course, I recognize that while this relative lack of mass appeal might arguably be a necessary condition, it is certainly not sufficient. That is where the views of the "congnoscenti" come into play. Other artists and critics (along with me ;-)) agree in percentages disproportionate to those of the masses. I agree with Ms Pallot's overall assessment - not only in comparison to Dylan, but to those that I have loved (including the Beatles) and those singer songwriters I have admired (there a perhaps a couple dozen in that category) and in some cases nearly loved (a handful). To me, however, the gap between Joni and Dylan is greater on the various musical levels than on the lyrical level. There is simply no comparison musically. In terms of importance in a socio-political sense, Joni suffers by comparison to Dylan; she was not so bold (though not so presumptuous), not such a pioneer to the game - and, of course, not so widely heard. But the artistry and timelessness of her lyrical work..........even in her early political work (Fiddle and the Drum), which rings truer work now than it did then, there is a longer, truer, more objective and balanced view. IMO In certain realms (e.g., athletics), women are precluded from achieving at objectively higher levels than men. In other realms, where that is not so, women have not yet done so, for whatever reasons (one example is high level tournament bridge, with which I am well acquainted). However, I think it ironic that when - in this case, in the realm of music and art - a woman does outshine the men in her (singer songwriter) category, such recognition still comes late if at all, and reservedly if not reluctantly. Perhaps it is a matter of courage, or ego. And of course, there is more subjectivity inherent in evaluating artistic achievement than in certain other arenas. I think it even more ironic, though, that the clamor is not even greater among women. Why is that, I wonder ? Joni is a shining example of a woman who is the greatest at what she does. She's like ....... Tiger Woods :-) So, bravo to Nerina Pallot for speaking out! (And let's hear it from the rest of you women out there - go ahead, even if it bruises some male egos !) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:48:20 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, giving peace a chance, generally speaking Chelsea Morning, mi Joniamigos! Nuri and Smurf, you *totally* crack me up! << Patti asked: "What do I say to a freakin' GENERAL?" >> Genenrally anything, Patti. Nuri, sending you some really cool vibes (GOOD RECEPTION FOR YOU...GOT 'EM! THANKS, NURI!) and never to be outdone, voila His Smurfiness: How about: "Hello there, freakin' general!" - - -- or -- "Study war no more." - - -- and there's always -- "Who do you think you are, Kitty Wells?" - --- Generally speaking, I will NEVER look at the word "general" again with out laughing out loud! And thanks, Kate B., for your good advice. It was not the famousness of the general (generally speaking, that is....LOL *again*!) that freaked me out, but his being a general in the *military*. I have the utmost respect for the military, but I am not a military-type person. I hear the word "military" and Graham's "Military Madness" starts playing in my head. And now to be perfectly serious, in a "life is for learning" way, I learned a lot yesterday from General Clark. No wonder they made him a GENERAL and the supreme commander of NATO. He's got quite a presence, and is clearly a leader. (A general, if you will.) He wants peace too. We all do. He made a lot of sense. We just have to figure out how to get there. We need some intelligence in every sense of the word. I shook his hand on two different occasions (two shakes are better than one!) and each time he grabbed my hand, very firmly, with both of his, and looked me square in the eye. I swear to God! It was like when I met Cindy. Same electricity. Something is happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear. If everyone could just get CLEAR and together on this we really COULD change the world, rearrange the world. Ya gotta believe. Thanks you so much for all your confidence, babies! The rally was absofreakinlutely AWESOME and I have tons to say about it. And Mr. Muller, you got me MORE pumped up (NPIMH: EC's Pump it up) and I let *all* the spirit that's inside of me come spilling out into the streets amid all the Lamont signs hung out like bright flags on holidays. I'll be back later to tell you more, including a video clip, too. With music! I hope it will inspire you a bit. Peace train's sounding louder....everyone up on the peace train! Choo choo cha boogie! (Riding that train, high on campaign....) Love, Patti P., in overdrive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:40:36 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?diltz=20and=20photos=20of=20joni?= i can't beleive that I just read about this opening yesterday! damn talk about running behind the times! Press Release Source: LA CITY BEAT , september 28th edition, Morrison Hotel Gallery Morrison Hotel(TM) Gallery - Fine Art Music Photography to Launch Los Angeles Location With the Exhibition 'The Photography Of Henry Diltz' Thursday September 14, 10:00 am ET Legendary Rock Photographer Diltz, a Gallery Co-Founder, Will Attend Artist's Reception on Sept. 30 and the Oct. 1 Public Opening LOS ANGELES, Sept. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Legendary L.A.-based photographer Henry Diltz is one of the world's all-time great rock 'n roll photographers, and quite possibly the person who defined the genre. Over the past 40 years, he's visually chronicled countless contemporary music icons, creating some of the most famous images ever taken of Jackson Browne, Crosby, Stills & Nash, the Eagles, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor and others. Diltz has also shot over 200 album covers, including The Doors' 1970 classic Morrison Hotel, which became the name of the music-centric gallery venture Diltz co-founded in 2001 (with existing locations in SoHo/NYC and La Jolla, CA). This month, Morrison Hotel Gallery - Fine Art Music Photography (MHG) opens a new space in Los Angeles, the city whose extraordinary music scene Diltz has recorded so memorably. The inaugural exhibition, "The Photography Of Henry Diltz" -- the largest retrospective of his work ever shown in L.A. -- opens with an invitation-only artist's reception on Saturday, September 30, 6-10PM. The public opening is Sunday, October 1 from 12-6PM, and Diltz will also be on hand for that. MHG is located at 7517 W. Sunset Blvd. (1/2 block West of Guitar Center), LA, CA, 90046, and is instantly identifiable by the signature Morrison Hotel window lettering that fans will recognize from the album art. Inside, the MHG team's self-professed "fanaticism and passion about rock and roll" sets it apart with a sole focus on music imagery, and the stories behind the truly amazing work. MHG's L.A. launch will be commemorated with the offering of a luminous black & white image of Joni Mitchell taken by Diltz near the singer-songwriter's Laurel Canyon home in 1971. The 16" x 20" photographs will be available in limited editions of ten platinum and fifty silver gelatin prints, each signed by Henry and Joni. Diltz is known for his affinity for using available, natural light, his lyrical sense of composition, and the trust and rapport he has with his subjects -- all qualities thoroughly infusing this exquisite portrait. Born in Kansas City, MO, Henry Diltz moved around the globe with his family while growing up. He briefly attended West Point, then took up the banjo and co-founded the Modern Folk Quartet. While on tour with MFQ, he bought an old camera and started casually shooting -- he proved to be a natural, and the rest is pop culture history. In addition to the artists already mentioned, "The Photography Of Henry Diltz" will feature images of Keith Richards, America, Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young and others. MHG was co-founded by Henry Diltz and partners Peter Blachley, Richard Horowitz and Sam Milgrom. They also represent the work of world-class photographers including Jim Marshall, Neal Preston, Danny Clinch, Gered Mankowitz, Bob Gruen, Baron Wolman and others. In 2006, in addition to adding an L.A. venue to their growing group of galleries, MHG will world premiere a series of limited edition photographs of the legendary Ray Charles taken by his longtime manager Joe Adams, who will hand-sign all the prints. For more information, log on to www.morrisonhotelgallery.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Morrison Hotel Gallery return to Ida's LA Woman Confidential home page for more Doors news and reviews I am definately running over there today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:48:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson - - --- Donna Binkley wrote: >Willie Nelson's public statement regarding being >caught with a bag >of Marijuana earlier this week: "It's a good thing >I had a bag of Marijuana >instead of a bag of spinach. I'd be dead by now". > > >Way to go Willie > Then Norma Jean: Well, I was lookin' for a little bit of laughter and I found it here, with what Willie said. :-). Man, he's one of the sweetest, mean ol' daddies I've ever had!! I love him. I surely do. - ---- Willie Nelson! Aha! I've been meaning to share a little Willie mention. After Howard Zinn's lecture (he was great!) at UConn recently, there was a question and answer session. A student asked him what he thought about musicians and artists getting involved in politics. Zinn said something like: "It's good. Artists and musicians are usually more progressive than other people and they are passionate. Some of the great musicians who have spoken out about peace and politics are...." and he went on to mention only four. John Lennon Bruce Springsteen (Hi Rose!) Ani DiFranco (Hi Bob!) and Willie Nelson! (Hi dB and Norma Jean!) What was kind of surprising to me was that, in a ballroom filled with 900 or so people (for the most part undergraduates), Willie Nelson got the biggest applause. (Me, the cheese who claps alone, was once again the only clapper....for John Lennon....LOL!) I should get me some more Willie, I guess. I know he toured with Dylan, and that he's a "Peace Endorser" at Code Pink, but I need to learn more. Hope y'all are having a lovely Saturday! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, giving peace a chance, generally speaking something that freaks me out when I see generals on TV...they're like MY age. Its scary I tell ya, very scary. They're like the little fart boys I went to school with. The ones with boogers and spit balls. So yeah, who do they think they are, indeed. EM - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Generally speaking, I will NEVER look at the word "general" again > with out > laughing out loud! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:05:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Darice Subject: Leon Russell (NJC) I saw Leon at a small club in San Frnacisco last week. His show was fantastic; great band and backup singer. Fast paced and the song selection covered Leon's great and some amazing cover versions. You will have a great, high energy, night. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson He also just toured with John Fogerty who is a peace guy. And not just a peace guy, but one who risks alienating the hands that feed him (audience, record buyers) by actually MENTIONING the peace stuff. The Willy Nelson presence among the concert goers was more hugely felt than the JF one. Lots of Willie t-shirts and hats. The JF fans were kind of anonymous. Lots of friggin W stickers in the parking lot too. Em - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > I should get me some more Willie, I guess. I know he toured with > Dylan, and > that he's a "Peace Endorser" at Code Pink, but I need to learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:54:18 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC now Shawn Colvin Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Since I have been so hard on "A Whole New You" I think it's only fair to say that "These Four Walls" is a FINE comeback for Shawn. The songs are solid, tuneful & memorable, Shawn's vocals are great (as is always the case) and the production is excellent. There are 1-2 songs that come off as country-pop fluff, but if you're on the fence about this one, go ahead and take the plunge if you are a Shawn fan - it's a nice return to form for her. - ----------------------- I love These Four Walls, but I also love A Whole New You ... why were you hard on it, Bob? "Comeback" from what? "Return" to which form? Nor do I feel that *any* songs on These Four Walls come off as "country-pop fluff" ... which songs, Bob, and why do you feel that way? In fact, I pretty much love every Shawn Colvin album, although in terms of production my least fave is Fat City ... too "normal." Still great songs, though. - -Fred Simon ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC - more on Willie - --- Patti Parlette wrote: << I should get me some more Willie, I guess. >> I know the feeling, honey, I know the feeling. XO, - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:45:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights WARNING: Political content Here's Garrison Keillor tellin' it like it is. I debated sending this but ultimately decided it needs to be shared, because we need to be aware. Plus, he's such a good writer. And he likes prairies! I already shared it with someone else on this list and it gave him the "willies"! U.S. Takes Low Road October 3, 2006 GARRISON KEILLOR I would not send my college kid off for a semester abroad if I were you. We have suspended human rights in America, and what goes around comes around. Ixnay habeas corpus. The U.S. Senate, in all its splendor and majesty, has decided that an "enemy combatant" is any non-citizen whom the president says is an enemy combatant, including your Korean greengrocer or your Swedish grandmother or your Czech au pair, and can be arrested and held for as long as authorities wish without any right of appeal to a court of law to examine the matter. If your college kid were to be arrested in Bangkok or Cairo, suspected of "crimes against the state," and held in prison, you'd assume that an American foreign service officer would be able to speak to your kid and arrange for a lawyer, but this may not be true anymore. Be forewarned. The Senate also decided it's up to the president to decide whether it's OK to make these "enemy combatants"stand naked in cold rooms for a couple days in blinding light and be beaten by interrogators. They have no right to see the evidence against them, and there is no appeal. This was passed by 65 senators and will now be signed by Mr. Bush, put into effect, and in due course be thrown out by the courts. It's good that Barry Goldwater is dead because this would have killed him. Go back to the Senate of 1964 - Goldwater, Dirksen, Russell, McCarthy, Javits, Morse, Fulbright - and you won't find more than 10 votes for it. None of the men and women who voted for this bill has any right to speak in public about the rule of law anymore, or to take a high moral view of the Third Reich, or to wax poetic about the American Ideal. Mark their names. Any institution of higher learning that grants honorary degrees to these people forfeits its honor. Alexander, Allard, Allen, Bennett, Bond, Brownback, Bunning, Burns, Burr, Carper, Chambliss, Coburn, Cochran, Coleman, Collins, Cornyn, Craig, Crapo, DeMint, DeWine, Dole, Domenici, Ensign, Enzi, Frist, Graham, Grassley, Gregg, Hagel, Hatch, Hutchison, Inhofe, Isakson, Johnson, Kyl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, LIEBERMAN, Lott, Lugar, Martinez, McCain, McConnell, Menendez, Murkowski, Nelson of Florida, Nelson of Nebraska, Pryor, Roberts, Rockefeller, Salazar, Santorum, Sessions, Shelby, Smith, Specter, Stabenow, Stevens, Sununu, Talent, Thomas, Thune, Vitter, Voinovich, Warner. If, however, the court does not, then our country has taken a step toward totalitarianism. If the government can round up someone and never be required to explain why, then it's no longer the United States of America as you and I always understood it. Our enemies have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They have made us become like them. I got some insight last week into who supports torture when I went down to Dallas to speak at Highland Park Methodist Church. It was spooky. I walked in, was met by two burly security men with walkie- talkies, and within 10 minutes was told by three people that this was the Bushes' church and that it would be better if I didn't talk about politics. I was there on a book tour for "Homegrown Democrat," but they thought it better if I didn't mention it. So I tried to make light of it: I told the audience, "I don't need to talk politics. I have no need even to be interested in politics - I'm a citizen, I have plenty of money and my grandsons are at least 12 years away from being eligible for military service." And the audience applauded! Those were their sentiments exactly. We've got ours, and who cares? The Methodists of Dallas can be fairly sure that none of them will be snatched off the streets, flown to Guantanamo, stripped naked, forced to stand for 48 hours in a freezing room with deafening noise, so why should they worry? It's only the Jews who are in danger, and the homosexuals and gypsies. The Christians are doing just fine. If you can't trust a Methodist with absolute power to arrest people and not have to say why, then whom can you trust? Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion" can be heard Saturday nights on public radio stations across the country. This piece was distributed by Tribune Media Services. - ---- If you are an American and your senator's name is on that list and is up for re-election, throw the bum out on Joni's birthday, November 7th. Love, and no torture, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC now Shawn Colvin Because I thought it sucked. <"Comeback" from what?> "Comeback" from 'A Whole New You' which I thought sucked. <"Return" to which form?> The form she exhibited on 'A Few Small Repairs', which most definitely did NOT suck. AFSR was the first Shawn album I bought, and I liked it - a LOT - the very first time I heard it. Much in the same way that ASMR stuck with me, AWNY did not. I didn't find any of the songs very memorable, they all had that same "lite rock" feel to them, and melodically I found them to be pretty blah. If I still have it (I often find a new home for albums that I find sucky) I'll give it a whole new play and see if my opinion has changed at all. I can tell you that I wanted to like it, I just didn't. Specifically, I'm not real nutty about "Tuff Kid" & "The Bird", which I find lyrically and musically predictable and they just sound like something you'd hear on a country radio station. But I'm sure over time I'll grow to enjoy them more since there are such powerhouses like "Venetian Blue", "Fill Me Up", and the title track to keep me coming back to it. I don't even mind that she (or Leventhal) basically re-wrote "Can't Find My Way Home" (a song she used to perform in her earliest gigs) and called it "I'm Gone". If you're going to steal, steal from the best, that's what I always say. As to WHY I feel the way I do, that's a much longer story and frankly I'm not even sure that I know the answer. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Oh Darling" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC - I thought this was funny...more on Willie Nelson Hi Patti, and thanks for mentioning the Howard Zinn mention of my favorite little folksinger. Her 2006 release "Reprieve" has been in steady rotation (mostly in my car since Mrs. SCJoniguy doesn't like "that Annie person", as she calls her). Ani's like Mr. Ed in that she doesn't speak unless she's got something to say...and she speaks a lot and says a lot on Reprieve (which was almost lost to Katrina but was personally saved by Michael Paz!*) Since you enjoy constantly quoting all those moldy oldies by your hippie buddies, I'll post the lyrics to her new song "Millennium Theater" which I hope you enjoy and which I hope inspires you to update your music collection every now and then. You can even hear it on her website: http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/reprieve/songs.asp millennium theater get out there and buy that water and gas ramadan, orange alert everybody put on your gas mask first leak it out about the president then stand up and shout impeachment pull them coattails out from under that little v.p. before he has a chance to get in the driver's seat millennium spectacle everybody put on a show slip the little prince in the back door 21st century here we go digital whiplash so many formats so little time while out in tv nation under darkening skies the resistance is just waiting to be organized halliburton, enron chief justices for sale yucca mountain goddesses their tears they form a trail trickle down pollution patriarchies realign while the ice caps melt and new orleans bides her time new orleans bides her time ladies and gentlemen welcome to tonight's show the millennium theater asks that you not smoke please turn off your cell phones and forget what you think you know Bob NP: Randy Newman, "Kingfish" *OK, Michael didn't personally save Reprieve, but he could have dang it and he's still the king of cool. **You know I'm just teasin' with you about your moldy oldies and your hippie buddies - to quote another moldy oldie, I love you just the way you are. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:12:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights I think Garrison Keillor is a very talented and witty guy. .... BUT I think he is dead wrong. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I believe in the overall good of this country...I have to believe that..I do believe that..... or I think we are sunk. Didn't Lincoln suspend Habeas Corpus for a bit during the Civil war? And he is all wet when he says he has no worries because he is not a Jew..or most Christians believe that ..he's totally missing the point....so missing the point...did I say he's missing the point....can't say that enough. (lets' say if this was JUST against the Jews...wouldn't we have the moral obligation to help them anyway?) Jihad is against all that think differently than they..we are all infidels. Bree , 07 Oct 2006 19:45:24 +0000 > >WARNING: Political content > >Here's Garrison Keillor tellin' it like it is. I debated sending this but >ultimately decided it needs to be shared, because we need to be aware. >Plus, he's such a good writer. And he likes prairies! > >I already shared it with someone else on this list and it gave him the >"willies"! > >U.S. Takes Low Road >October 3, 2006 >GARRISON KEILLOR > >I would not send my college kid off for a semester abroad if I were you. >We have suspended human rights in America, and what goes around comes >around. Ixnay habeas corpus. > >The U.S. Senate, in all its splendor and majesty, has decided that an >"enemy combatant" is any non-citizen whom the president says is an enemy >combatant, including your Korean greengrocer or your Swedish grandmother >or your Czech au pair, and can be arrested and held for as long as >authorities wish without any right of appeal to a court of law to examine >the matter. If your college kid were to be arrested in Bangkok or Cairo, >suspected of "crimes against the state," and held in prison, you'd assume >that an American foreign service officer would be able to speak to your >kid and arrange for a lawyer, but this may not be true anymore. Be >forewarned. > > >The Senate also decided it's up to the president to decide whether it's OK >to make these "enemy combatants"stand naked in cold rooms for a couple >days in blinding light and be beaten by interrogators. They have no right >to see the evidence against them, and there is no appeal. This was passed >by 65 senators and will now be signed by Mr. Bush, put into effect, and in >due course be thrown out by the courts. > >It's good that Barry Goldwater is dead because this would have killed him. >Go back to the Senate of 1964 - Goldwater, Dirksen, Russell, McCarthy, >Javits, Morse, Fulbright - and you won't find more than 10 votes for it. > >None of the men and women who voted for this bill has any right to speak >in public about the rule of law anymore, or to take a high moral view of >the Third Reich, or to wax poetic about the American Ideal. Mark their >names. Any institution of higher learning that grants honorary degrees to >these people forfeits its honor. Alexander, Allard, Allen, Bennett, Bond, >Brownback, Bunning, Burns, Burr, Carper, Chambliss, Coburn, Cochran, >Coleman, Collins, Cornyn, Craig, Crapo, DeMint, DeWine, Dole, Domenici, >Ensign, Enzi, Frist, Graham, Grassley, Gregg, Hagel, Hatch, Hutchison, >Inhofe, Isakson, Johnson, Kyl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, LIEBERMAN, Lott, >Lugar, Martinez, McCain, McConnell, Menendez, Murkowski, Nelson of >Florida, Nelson of Nebraska, Pryor, Roberts, Rockefeller, Salazar, >Santorum, Sessions, Shelby, Smith, Specter, Stabenow, Stevens, Sununu, >Talent, Thomas, Thune, Vitter, Voinovich, Warner. > >If, however, the court does not, then our country has taken a step toward >totalitarianism. If the government can round up someone and never be >required to explain why, then it's no longer the United States of America >as you and I always understood it. Our enemies have succeeded beyond their >wildest dreams. They have made us become like them. > >I got some insight last week into who supports torture when I went down to >Dallas to speak at Highland Park Methodist Church. It was spooky. I walked >in, was met by two burly security men with walkie- talkies, and within 10 >minutes was told by three people that this was the Bushes' church and that >it would be better if I didn't talk about politics. I was there on a book >tour for "Homegrown Democrat," but they thought it better if I didn't >mention it. So I tried to make light of it: I told the audience, "I don't >need to talk politics. I have no need even to be interested in politics - >I'm a citizen, I have plenty of money and my grandsons are at least 12 >years away from being eligible for military service." And the audience >applauded! Those were their sentiments exactly. We've got ours, and who >cares? > >The Methodists of Dallas can be fairly sure that none of them will be >snatched off the streets, flown to Guantanamo, stripped naked, forced to >stand for 48 hours in a freezing room with deafening noise, so why should >they worry? It's only the Jews who are in danger, and the homosexuals and >gypsies. The Christians are doing just fine. If you can't trust a >Methodist with absolute power to arrest people and not have to say why, >then whom can you trust? > >Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion" can be heard Saturday nights >on public radio stations across the country. This piece was distributed by >Tribune Media Services. > >---- > >If you are an American and your senator's name is on that list and is up >for re-election, throw the bum out on Joni's birthday, November 7th. > >Love, and no torture, > >Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Shawn's new one NJC These Four Walls is actually the first full Colvin record I've heard, other than the superb Polaroids/Best of set...though I have long enjoyed and admired her work. I am digging these TFW, especially "Tuff Kid" and her cover of "In the Name of Love" (the U2 song). It's obvious that John Leventhal's co-compositions and production are a big part of the package, but Shawn gives him fine songs and vocals to work with. She really gets under my skin, in the same way Joni and Janis Ian do. Bryan From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Two Joni Mentions in Magazines NJC now Shawn >Since I have been so hard on "A Whole New You" I think it's only fair >to say that "These Four Walls" is a FINE comeback for Shawn. The songs are >solid, tuneful & memorable, Shawn's vocals are great (as is always the >case) and the production is excellent. There are 1-2 songs that come >off as country-pop fluff, but if you're on the fence about this one, go >ahead and take the plunge if you are a Shawn fan - it's a nice return to form >for her. >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:29:12 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Garrison Keillor on human rights Most importantly...I don't think anyone is advocating torture. Isn't torture subjective...?? I know someone who if forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh..well..that is torture. Tickle me on the nose with a feather...TORTURE! Anyway....I don't think our government is advocating pulling anyone's toenails off...or mutilations of any kind... again...I believe in the overall good of this country... Goodnight.. Bree >I think Garrison Keillor is a very talented and witty guy. .... BUT I >think he is dead wrong. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I >believe in the overall good of this country...I have to believe that..I do >believe that..... or I think we are sunk. Didn't Lincoln suspend Habeas >Corpus for a bit during the Civil war? And he is all wet when he says he >has no worries because he is not a Jew..or most Christians believe that >..he's totally missing the point....so missing the point...did I say he's >missing the point....can't say that enough. (lets' say if this was JUST >against the Jews...wouldn't we have the moral obligation to help them >anyway?) Jihad is against all that think differently than they..we are >all infidels. > >Bree > > >, 07 Oct 2006 19:45:24 +0000 >> >>WARNING: Political content >> >>Here's Garrison Keillor tellin' it like it is. I debated sending this but >>ultimately decided it needs to be shared, because we need to be aware. >>Plus, he's such a good writer. And he likes prairies! >> >>I already shared it with someone else on this list and it gave him the >>"willies"! >> >>U.S. Takes Low Road >>October 3, 2006 >>GARRISON KEILLOR >> >>I would not send my college kid off for a semester abroad if I were you. >>We have suspended human rights in America, and what goes around comes >>around. Ixnay habeas corpus. >> >>The U.S. Senate, in all its splendor and majesty, has decided that an >>"enemy combatant" is any non-citizen whom the president says is an enemy >>combatant, including your Korean greengrocer or your Swedish grandmother >>or your Czech au pair, and can be arrested and held for as long as >>authorities wish without any right of appeal to a court of law to examine >>the matter. If your college kid were to be arrested in Bangkok or Cairo, >>suspected of "crimes against the state," and held in prison, you'd assume >>that an American foreign service officer would be able to speak to your >>kid and arrange for a lawyer, but this may not be true anymore. Be >>forewarned. >> >> >>The Senate also decided it's up to the president to decide whether it's >>OK to make these "enemy combatants"stand naked in cold rooms for a couple >>days in blinding light and be beaten by interrogators. They have no right >>to see the evidence against them, and there is no appeal. This was passed >>by 65 senators and will now be signed by Mr. Bush, put into effect, and >>in due course be thrown out by the courts. >> >>It's good that Barry Goldwater is dead because this would have killed >>him. Go back to the Senate of 1964 - Goldwater, Dirksen, Russell, >>McCarthy, Javits, Morse, Fulbright - and you won't find more than 10 >>votes for it. >> >>None of the men and women who voted for this bill has any right to speak >>in public about the rule of law anymore, or to take a high moral view of >>the Third Reich, or to wax poetic about the American Ideal. Mark their >>names. Any institution of higher learning that grants honorary degrees to >>these people forfeits its honor. Alexander, Allard, Allen, Bennett, Bond, >>Brownback, Bunning, Burns, Burr, Carper, Chambliss, Coburn, Cochran, >>Coleman, Collins, Cornyn, Craig, Crapo, DeMint, DeWine, Dole, Domenici, >>Ensign, Enzi, Frist, Graham, Grassley, Gregg, Hagel, Hatch, Hutchison, >>Inhofe, Isakson, Johnson, Kyl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, LIEBERMAN, Lott, >>Lugar, Martinez, McCain, McConnell, Menendez, Murkowski, Nelson of >>Florida, Nelson of Nebraska, Pryor, Roberts, Rockefeller, Salazar, >>Santorum, Sessions, Shelby, Smith, Specter, Stabenow, Stevens, Sununu, >>Talent, Thomas, Thune, Vitter, Voinovich, Warner. >> >>If, however, the court does not, then our country has taken a step toward >>totalitarianism. If the government can round up someone and never be >>required to explain why, then it's no longer the United States of America >>as you and I always understood it. Our enemies have succeeded beyond >>their wildest dreams. They have made us become like them. >> >>I got some insight last week into who supports torture when I went down >>to Dallas to speak at Highland Park Methodist Church. It was spooky. I >>walked in, was met by two burly security men with walkie- talkies, and >>within 10 minutes was told by three people that this was the Bushes' >>church and that it would be better if I didn't talk about politics. I was >>there on a book tour for "Homegrown Democrat," but they thought it better >>if I didn't mention it. So I tried to make light of it: I told the >>audience, "I don't need to talk politics. I have no need even to be >>interested in politics - I'm a citizen, I have plenty of money and my >>grandsons are at least 12 years away from being eligible for military >>service." And the audience applauded! Those were their sentiments >>exactly. We've got ours, and who cares? >> >>The Methodists of Dallas can be fairly sure that none of them will be >>snatched off the streets, flown to Guantanamo, stripped naked, forced to >>stand for 48 hours in a freezing room with deafening noise, so why should >>they worry? It's only the Jews who are in danger, and the homosexuals and >>gypsies. The Christians are doing just fine. If you can't trust a >>Methodist with absolute power to arrest people and not have to say why, >>then whom can you trust? >> >>Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion" can be heard Saturday >>nights on public radio stations across the country. This piece was >>distributed by Tribune Media Services. >> >>---- >> >>If you are an American and your senator's name is on that list and is up >>for re-election, throw the bum out on Joni's birthday, November 7th. >> >>Love, and no torture, >> >>Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:02:40 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Zinkerman" Subject: Good Joni Fotage I just watched the Last Waltz for the first time in a long time, and I am suddenly deparate for some good Joni footage. Someone mentioned several months back a clip " Clip: CSNY&J - "Helpless" Wembley '74"; Anyone have the link to this clip or any other good clips that are OK to download ? Regards, Jeff Zinkerman, Ffield, CT ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #369 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------