From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 5 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 366 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Manchester Lane Gig in Melbourne ["Rachael Byrnes" ] Re: Nerina Pallot and Joni, now gender from both sides now [Benedicte Nie] Re: Harlem in Havana/That Song About the Midway [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Barangrill (Art Viewed) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Harlem in Havana/That Song About the Midway njc [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, njc now ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\] njc, theJohn Lennon movie is out! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, njc now [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill [Catherine McKay Subject: Manchester Lane Gig in Melbourne Hi All (especially the Aussies on the list) I'm performing a version of "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" from Joni's Mingus Albulm as part of a recital & band launch gig on the 10th of October, 7:30pm at Manchester Lane, 36 Manchester Lane, Melbourne. Apart from the Joni (Mingus) tune the night will showcase a whole bunch of tunes I have written in the folk/country style (minus the twang), backed by a full band. Lots of people have said that I remind them of Joni as our styles and voices are similar, although I have more of a Australian sound. You can click on the link below for gig details. It should be a really fun night. http://www.rachaelbyrnes.blogspot.com Best wishes ______________________________ Rachael Byrnes Singer/ Songwriter www.rachaelbyrnes.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:57:37 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Chavez Ravine--Ry Cooder sjc Norma Jean Garza wrote >>No other artist has hit my heart and mind like Joni has. Though Ry Cooder's latest, Chavez Ravine," is burning this musical Hispanic soul of mine. Has joni ever worked with Ry Cooder? << I don't know the answer but I love Ry Cooder's work, and 'Chavez Ravine' is excellent. Last year I read James Ellroy's L.A. Quartet which discusses the Pachuco / Zoot Suit riots and a lot of Chavez Ravine background info can be found there, if you can get through the violence on the pages. mike in barcelona np Buika - Jodida pero contenta ------------------------------ Date: 04 Oct 2006 12:44:21 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Nerina Pallot and Joni, now gender from both sides now Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:26:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Nerina Pallot and Joni, now gender from both sides now "I maintain that if Joni Mitchell had been born a man she would have been bigger than Bob Dylan." First of all I'm glad she was not born a man, and secondly I am glad she was never as big as Dylan. I like my favourites a bit exclusive... We have a transgender (M > Fm) fellow at my college which is women-only. You can find her story on http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/RachaelPadman.html Here is an excerpt... "... I got on well with most of the crew, but there were times when I had to make unpopular requests. That sometimes resulted directly in a rejection of me as a woman. The deal that was being proposed was pretty transparent - -- "If you pull rank to get us to do things we don't want to, then you're not acting like a woman and we won't treat you like one". Well, they must have realized what a potent weapon that was, and it can make it terribly hard to do what is right. So of course, you work very hard to find other ways of getting things done than just by saying that they have to be done, and in the end you're forced into the stereotypical female behaviour of using --let's face it -- guile." I don't really get worked up over these issues, but I guess that is one of the nice side-effects of being in a women's college, you just do your own thing and leave the showing off and the marking of territory to those who are into that sort of thing. At the end of the day, they will have to read my research and deal with what I say, regardless of my gender. I guess this sounds cheasy, but I'd think our Joni is more into her work than her fame as well. Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:26:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Harlem in Havana/That Song About the Midway I think it's just another example of her use of duality; what should be fun and exciting becomes lonely, sad & tired. And don't forget her early song 'Carnival In Kenora' that contains lines like: "All alone on such a pretty night" "I let him take me for a ride" (nice double-meaning in that one...an amusement park ride and an emotional one too). "All the tents are taken down now All that's left is scuffled ground now" But of course we're used to Joni not just looking at things, but also seeing all the way through them. 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That person is presented in the scripts as the one who truly represents God's genuine intentions and as the role model for everyone to emulate, which quite often is an impossible thing to do, as the winner's degree of perfection and purity is always "too holy" to even understand let alone to follow and as there's never an explanation of the ancient author as to why God chose that person as the winner, an explanation which the reader has to figure out by himself. Although the tales revolve around "religious" points of view, points of view that one may disagree with but still somehow understand, it's hard to avoid their "secular" aspects, and it's those aspects which are often left unexplained. One of these tales, which i must admit that i've never quite figured out and that is probably a bit troubling one for artists, is about 6 Harp (ancient Harp) playres and what they've been doing all of their lives. All good people and gifted musicians. The first one plays the Harp at the Temple. His music is heard by everyone, as he belongs to the ancient Levi tribe that were the official musicians since the days of Moses. The second one plays the Harp at local gatherings and celebrations. The third one only plays the Harp to his friends. The fourth one only plays the Harp to his single child's ears. And the fifth one lives on a hill and plays the Harp to no one but the birds. However, God's favorite, is the sixth. A Harp player that has no listeners whatsoever but himself. Not even the birds. He only plays the Harp in "a room within a room". The closest image i can think about in Joni's songs, although i find it to be describing a common and temporary situation in an artist's life and not a fanatic and strange and lifelong such as the sixth Harp player's one, is the one from For The Roses: "Remember the days when you used to sit And make up your tunes for love And pour your simple sorrow To the soundhole and your knee" Many hugs everyone, Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Harlem in Havana/That Song About the Midway njc I have my own "Harlem in Havana"-like story, it's true and it's not so sad:) Ok, so when i was 10 years old my parents and i had a Spain-Portugal vacation. On our very first evening in Lisbon we went to a theatre-complex in the center and my parents bought us tickets to some musical circus show with clowns and animals or whatever. My Mother had this binocular, you know, like the ones that old ladies use when they go to the theatre to better see an opera lol, and she gave it to me so i could see exactly what was going on the stage. Ok, so we're climbing up the stairs to the hall, and people are staring at us, especially at me, like they're wondering "what the hell is THAT?". Mama thought it was because we were dressed like turists, but it was really strange because everyone was REALLY staring at me and we couldn't figure out why. Ok, so we're sitting in one of the front rows, i'm with the binocular, everyone is still staring at me like i was an alien, the hall lights go out, the curtain goes up and the show begins. A group of 20 men and women enters the stage in a lovely dance, all men and women naked! A voice from the speakers goes: Welcome to the Crazy Horse show! LOL! We set there for like 15 minutes watching naked men and women dancing and singing and God knows what, but i can assure you everyone was staring at ME, and we finally realized why! LOL! We didn't know it was a complex, and we simply went to the wrong hall! No one told us it was the wrong one, not even when they saw a 10 years old child marching with his parents into the Crazy Horse show! LOL! My Mother wanted to leave the hall the moment she realized what the "show" was all about, but my Father wanted to stay "a bit more"! LOL! And i was watching everything with a binocular and telling mt parents i really liked the MUSIC! LOL! That's a family classic story that always makes us laugh our asses off whenever we remember that Crazy Horse show evening in Lisbon. Hugs again, Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:52:43 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Joni tribute show to be recorded..yes Hi Patti, Yes indeed; the show and the one after it on Dec 3rd are to be recorded and extensively photographed. I hope to get a CD's worth of good takes from the two shows. Thanks so much for listening and responding, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:54:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: big yellow taxi Marianne what a cool teacher you are! I love hearing your class stories! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, njc now In the beginning, there was "Standard Oil". The feds split it into more than 2 dozen companies with similar names. I guess the Esso/Humble were parts of Standard Oil of New Jersey, but Sohio/Boron were parts of Standard Oil of Ohio. Here's more: Wikipedia said, >Eventually, the U.S. Justice Department sued Standard Oil of New Jersey under the federal anti-trust law, the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. In 1911, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court judgment, and forced Standard Oil to separate into 34 companies, each with its own distinct board of directors. They formed the core of today's U.S. oil industry, including ExxonMobil (formerly Standard of New Jersey and Standard of New York), ConocoPhillips (the Conoco side, which was Standard's company in the Rocky Mountain states), Chevron (Standard of California), Amoco and Sohio (Standard of Indiana and Standard of Ohio, respectively, now BP of North America), Atlantic Richfield (the Atlantic side, now also a part of BP North America), Marathon (covering western Ohio and other parts of Ohio not covered by Sohio) and many other smaller companies.> Lori said, >>I wonder when Esso split from Standard Oil, though? I'm sure there's an answer easily found on the internet, but I don't have the time to look.>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:09:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, theJohn Lennon movie is out! Kate Bennett wrote: Cool. I can't wait to see it. Haven't organized a tribute for about 2 years but couldn't say no when asked to do one on his birthday. Get out your magic carpet Patti P! John Lennon Birthday Tribute & Benefit- Monday October 9th at SOhO in Santa Barbara CA- www.sohosb.com for more info - --------- Oh, would that I could! But honestly, I think I would have a complete meltdown to hear you doing John Lennon in my old hometown. Too much bliss, you know? I know, I really have no right to call SB my hometown when I only lived there for one year, one month and 3 days....but it's where I grew my heart during the Summer of Love (1967). (Thank you, Dad, for bringing us there.) I have no magic carpet, but maybe if I click my ruby-red slippers three times and say "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home" I'll wake up in my old bed on 5232 University Drive, SB, CA! Oh, California! But the tribute....yes! What are you going to sing? Kate, have a wonderful time. Shine on! Love, Patti P. P.S. Will this be recorded? Then you'll be hiss-you'll be hiss-you'll be hisss-hissingofsummerlawns-(TIC!)story! NPIMH: Instant Karma, plus some Wizard of Oz lines ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:37:38 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: just a little Blue I just saw this picture postcard charm of a bookcover on a friend's office door and thought of Joni. Blue. "A Matter of Blue". Just a little blue. http://www.cbsd.com/inventory.aspx?id=17130 One of our former grad students translated these poems and wrote the introduction. No great shakes, just had to share that here. xo, pp (JMOCD rising....) NPIMH: Blue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, njc now - --- "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote: > In the beginning, there was "Standard Oil". The > feds > split it into more than 2 dozen companies with > similar > names. I guess the Esso/Humble were parts of > Standard > Oil of New Jersey, but Sohio/Boron were parts of > Standard Oil of Ohio. > When someone started the Barangrill thread, she was thinking maybe Joni was thinking about a Humble oil station, when Joni sings, "Humble Makes Pure," while the man that sings like Nat King Cole, services and fills up their tank with gas. Personally, I hope Joni meant something like, "Heart and humor and humility, she said will help you lighten up your heavy load, on the refuge of the road." Well, off to run some errands....must fill up at the gas station first, and nothing about the price of gas seems to be humorous and heartfelt or humble. I'll put some Joni and Ry which will most definitely lighten me up under underneath this moody, but beautiful San Antonio sky today.. Norma Jean ~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:55:20 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Nerina Pallot and Joni, now with link! Patti and Anita and anybody else who'd like to know, here is the link to Nerina's website: http://www.nerinapallot.com/ Then press on "entertainment" (make sure to keep the Control key down if you have a pop-up blocker) and select the Sophia song (sometimes you need to press it twice). Talk of serendipity: I've meant to mention this song for a few months, ever since my son Thomas told me about it, and just now when I do, I see on Nerina's website that Sophia is coming out as a single this week! I hope you enjoy Joni's music (the style, the musical language that she created) living on through others - that's the only way I can explain this song. Best to you all, Lieve in London. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:52:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, jc again - - --- Lori Fye wrote: >> "Esso" is the phonetic pronunciation of "S, O." As >> in Standard Oil. From: Catherine McKay >D'oh. I never knew that. Ha ha - what does Exxon >stand for then? Profit, Catherine. Exxon stands for profit. Nyuck, nyuck, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:24:58 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Neil Young TV alert Dear Joniamigos: Neil Young is supposed to be on Letterman tonight! Love, Patti P., who has been listening to Neil even more than Joni lately (true confessions) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill - --- Norma Jean Garza wrote: > When someone started the Barangrill thread, she was > thinking maybe > Joni was thinking about a Humble oil station, when > Joni sings, "Humble Makes Pure," while the man that > sings like Nat King Cole, services and fills up > their > tank with gas. > > Personally, I hope Joni meant something like, "Heart > and humor and humility, she said will help you > lighten > up your heavy load, on the refuge of the road." > Knowing Joni, she means both, and probably something else besides, that none of us has thought of yet. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:23:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc, senator speech, now Barack Obama ROCKS! Thanks everyone for the obama links... I love what I am learning about him & there has been a buzz ever since that iowa speech which I am so so sorry I missed... can't remember where I was at the time how amazing you were in my town patti p & watching this speech! It would have been fun to share it with you but oh yes, so understandable that you needed to spend all of your time with the family... hope is good... I love your passion & your hope ms p... don't hold back no matter what others say about being sick of politics... who isn't sick of them yet we must somehow stay aware... our world is at stake >The first time I heard him was in some hotel room (yes, it had a view, a beautiful view of Santa Barbara) when he gave the keynote at the Dem convention in Summer 2004. I was awestruck. Hope at last! (note to Kate B.: this was the one night I spent in SB on Calle Real. I looked you up in the phonebook and was going to call you, but then realized I just didn't have enough time on my hands, needing to spend quality time w/ my mom and dad.)< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #366 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------