From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #357 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 357 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Smurf ] Re: Chomsky and Capitalism (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] T'Log ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Michael Paz ] Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! [Michael Paz ] Re: Barangrill [LCStanley7@aol.com] Shawn Colvin does "The World Cafe" njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Barangrill [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? - --- anon anon asked: > Does anoyne have any ideas about why Joni said > the number "5" at the > beginning of "Carey"? I dunno . . . maybe because the Beatles had already taken number 9? Count me among those who do not hear this. As a matter of fact, you can count me among those who do not hear much at all. - --Smurf, still looking for the bright red devil in this tourist town . . . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:23:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Chomsky and Capitalism (njc) Jerry, I'm really enjoying your intelligent posts on this matter- I don't know a lot about Chomsky... I recall someone who dismissed his work telling me I had no business calling myself whatever label I wasn't calling myself... if I hadn't read his work... whatever... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:25:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: T'Log I guess its that time of year for me to chime in & say how much I love T'log. Turn off the lights, light a fire, pour your favorite beverage & take a wonderful visual journey through the music... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? I'm 5 challanged Paz > Me too, Bob. We are probably 5-challenged. > That can be tested though. Just ask your wife to say "5" - and if you CAN'T > hear it, well then - welcome to the Twilight Zone:) > > Nuri > Bob Muller wrote: > the number "5" at the > beginning of "Carey"? > > > Does she? I don't hear it. I'm assuming you're > talking about the version on Blue. > > Bob > > NP: Tony Malone, "Carey/Morning Morgantown" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:46:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Missing in Action - NJC, then Cassy's pins My Strawberry Fields Sister! Lauging out loud that I was not alone! Waht a beautiful post!!! It took me right back to Manhattan! What a wonderful moment in time that was! I love what you said about Gary Z "staring a hole in his scrambled eggs"....so perfectly Joni! How fitting you could find her words to describe our wonderful morning! I am still touched by all the love and labor that went into Cassy's pins and pouches! I will treasure them always! It was the perfect touch to a wonderful occassion. Done with style and class, it doesn't get any better! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: Sherelle wrote: Dearest Cassy, I am glad to just know you my sweet friend! Okay, to show my naivete, my first thought when I read "leather" was..."purses!" Then I read further...Ha! Ha! Oh my friend! I'm just happy to hear from you! - - --- Moi aussi, Strawberry Fields Sister! "Purses? Vests? Boots?" Cassy -- you "in your leather and lace" -- you know I've been wondering where you were! I remember you asking what music people like to listen to "again and again in the same situation", and then you seemed to disappear. HA! Now we know the REST of the story! Sounds like you've found "solid love" and I'm very happy for you. I wish we could all break french bread together again and laugh and toast to Cassy. Croque-monsieurs, anyone? dB? With Gary Z staring a hole in his scrambled eggs? I was already thinking of you last night, Cassy, even before I read your post. I was looking for a particular pin to wear today. ("There is no flag large enough cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn", because he is coming to campus today. Woo hoo!! Just what I need -- more sweet inspiration to carry on.) ANYHOOOO, I found the pin in the beautiful little pouch you created to cradle the wonderful JMDL pins you made for the Joni Tribute at Carnegie Hall. I always meant to describe these to you all, and I don't think I ever did. So now let me take a minute to do that. The first time I met Cassy she was sitting in the lounge of the Park Central Hotel. She approached me and smiled and handed me a little goody bag. The little bag is so delicate...."stood-out-like-a- ruby"-colored, made out of angel hair (!) or gossamer-like fabric, and tied with little satin ribbons. Not just tied, but the ribbons are threaded through the little seams she made, and they pull together like a drawstring. They clearly were made lovingly and with great care, and must have taken a lot of time. I treasure mine. It is a safe home for some of my other peace pins, my Hejira pin, my Blue pin, and of course, the TWO that Cassy made. One large, one small. Of course she made two, because as we know so well, two Joni heads are better than one. If good fortune did not allow you to come, let me describe them. The pins are square, wooden, with Joni's picture/profile on shiny paper that is glued to the wood. The words are: JMDL (on top) and (underneath the photo) Carnegie Hall 2006. On the back is the silver needle/pin part, glued on. You can see the clear glue drop, which always makes me think of the lyrics "and the wax falls down like tears". Cassy apologized for their imperfection, and I laugh at how her perfection will always be undenied. They are precious. Merci encore une fois, Cassy! Love, Patti P., rushing, hoping I did Cassy's pins justice as I'm racing away...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:00 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Barangrill When I lived in Detroit there were Bar and Grill's all over the place and we wbnt to them a lot for dinner. Us kids would get hamburgers and such while the big guys got martinis and such. My take is that Joni is equating this whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as the center image, but then that is why I love her. She conjours up my own images in my heart and in my head.. NP-What's A Sweetheart Like You Doing In A Dump Like This-Dylan > Sorry to divert you all away from Cherokee Louise but something is > bugging me. One of my favourite albums is For The Roses. I have always > been baffled by the title of the track, Barangrill. I've never really > understood what that means though, I have stuck with a guess all these > years. My best guess is that it is a contraction of the words, Bar and > grill. I've never seen that contraction before or since. Is this an > Americanism that isn't used anywhere else or is it Joni's own cutesy > language? Or does it mean something else entirely? Surely the > contraction would be Bar 'n' Grill, no? > > "Hey, where's barangrill?" - Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:52:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! It's really more scary to think that Smurph may visit me down here and I would not know how to explain him to Freda. Love Paz > Paz. it was an emotional experience for me too and I don't even live there! > The kind of win the Saints got was so needed for the people of New Orleans. > I didn't know our Washington Post guy Kornheiser is a commentator for ESPN > now. That's the nicest I've ever seen him in my life! There is hope! It > seems New Orleans really affected him emotionally. That's good. I wish him > well. No offense to the other team but I rooted for the Saints that night. I > hope this is just the beginning of resurrection for the city but most of all > for the lower 9th ward. > > The one thing I liked about that guy dressed up like the cheerleader is that > he was very passionate about his music. You don't find that very often. I > have a feeling he's going to make his way down to New Orleans to visit and I > know you will make sure he's well taken care of. > > Love, Sherelle > > Paz wrote; >> >> Thanks for the lovely comments. >> >> The cheerleader was a gas and I am glad we spoke to him cause he was very >> taken with New Orleans and our music and who would have known but just >> looking at him and thinking that it was Smurph stalking us or some other >> fantasy. The scary part is I gave him my card and told him to call me next >> time in his in New Orleans. I am going to watch for hm in Sing Out Mag. >> >> It was such an emotional experience to watch on TV. I love to watch my >> Saints play football and it was nice to see the dome in a positive light >> again. >> >> Sorry for all the posts tonight but I am chatty! >> >> Love >> >> Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:52:09 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Barangrill Maybe Joni had heard of Baran Restaurant. I don't know how long they've been around, but there are Baran Restaurants in LA and in London, and you know there might be more... Love, Laura Baran Restaurant is turning out traditional Persian cuisine amidst stunning modern dicor. Expect slatted wood, red panels with calligraphy Farsi, elaborate metalwork shaped like branches and marsh grass and an intricate flower-shaped chandelier. Dishes include chicken kebab served with sweet and sour cherry rice, Cornish game hen kebab, broiled whitefish, and for dessert, Persian ice cream and honey-dipped fritters known as bamieh. On Friday and Saturday nights, there is Gypsy flamenco dancing. Open daily for lunch and dinner. Baran Restaurant, 1916 Westwood Blvd., Los Angeles, 310-475-4500. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:52:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Shawn Colvin does "The World Cafe" njc David Dye rarely fawns over a guest but he did today. He asked Shawn Colvin about depression and about co-writing with Jon Leventhal again. Dye said, "One of the things I love about your live shows is that you're so great with a guitar. You really... get some unusual sounds. The word "percussive" comes up pretty often. Can you talk a bit about that?" Shawn (always self-effacing) said, "Noooo. Me? Well, okay. I do this thing." (attempts to slap the strings) I messed up. It's like... (snick) That's pretty close." Dye: "Yeah." Shawn: "It's like... I'm trying to... I heard Joni Mitchell doing something and I tried to figure it out. I do it with my wrist." Dye: "Wow." Shawn: "I found out she does it with her *FINGER* tips. Which... WOW!! I don't know... Anyway... I can't IMAGINE how she does it with... Anyway, I don't." Gotta love a woman like that. She reminds me of Diane Keaton's character in "Annie Hall". She's so open I want to tell she's fine, great in fact, and uh, take her on a road trip. To Virgin-ee-ya. When she put herself down for the 5th or 6th time, Leventhal said, "See? She's a REAL DOWNER!" "She's like this ALL the time." I didn't hear it all, because I was working but I'm glad I have a tuner and powered antenna on my desk. All the best, Jim L. P.S. Marian Russell (Austria) figured out how Joni slaps. Marian sounds exactly like Joni on "Overture / Cotton Ave". It's spooky to me, how good Marian is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:05:21 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: new Joni interview A be cool fool wrote: UNLIKE some people on this list who would just be over the top with her in their approach Hi Suave, Over the top, spinning around fast but not letting on... Love, Dradle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:06:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Chomsky and Chavez (njc) LOL! There you go quoting facts again, Kakki. What a low down way to influence people. LOL. That sounds like all of Karl Marx' talking points to me. Watching it from the midwest, Jim L. Kakki backed up her assertion with >Look, I am truly trying to understand all the nuances here. He is affiliated with IWW whose mission statement also says: "It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organized, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old."> Jerry doubted the assertion that Chomsky "is" a communist: >>Well, being a communist means belonging to a particular party or movement, >>which he is not, or proving that he he has secretly supported communist >>countries. As for equating communism with socialism, that's another right >>wing ploy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Played it several times ... loud. I got nothing. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:19:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Levon Helm: house concert in Woodstock, NY every 2 weeks I don't know if I'll make it to JoniFest in 07, but I read in Rolling Stone that might interest some. Levon Helm lives in Woodstock, New York which a side trip from the Full Moon Resort. In the latest Rolling Stone, they say he has a house concert in his barn every 2 weeks. He calls it "The Midnight Ramble". Apparently, his voice is back and he's open for business. He said he runs it from his website and tickets are $100 per person. It's far from a cheap ticket but hey, it's 2 bands then Levon Helm in his own barn. It's like seeing the Margo Timmins in a small night club (which happens all the time and I will always think it's some kind of miracle.) All the best, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Chomsky and Capitalism (njc) He goes his own way. He has called Carter a Reaganite, and Maureen Dowd a gossip columnist. So he ticks off the left as much as the right. My kind of thinker. Jerry Kate Bennett wrote: > Jerry, I'm really enjoying your intelligent posts on this matter- I don't > know a lot about Chomsky... I recall someone who dismissed his work > telling > me I had no business calling myself whatever label I wasn't calling > myself... if I hadn't read his work... whatever... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! THAT'S scary? Ha! Just wait 'till you have to explain Freda to HIM! Nuri Michael Paz wrote: It's really more scary to think that Smurph may visit me down here and I would not know how to explain him to Freda. Love Paz > Paz. it was an emotional experience for me too and I don't even live there! > The kind of win the Saints got was so needed for the people of New Orleans. > I didn't know our Washington Post guy Kornheiser is a commentator for ESPN > now. That's the nicest I've ever seen him in my life! There is hope! It > seems New Orleans really affected him emotionally. That's good. I wish him > well. No offense to the other team but I rooted for the Saints that night. I > hope this is just the beginning of resurrection for the city but most of all > for the lower 9th ward. > > The one thing I liked about that guy dressed up like the cheerleader is that > he was very passionate about his music. You don't find that very often. I > have a feeling he's going to make his way down to New Orleans to visit and I > know you will make sure he's well taken care of. > > Love, Sherelle > > Paz wrote; >> >> Thanks for the lovely comments. >> >> The cheerleader was a gas and I am glad we spoke to him cause he was very >> taken with New Orleans and our music and who would have known but just >> looking at him and thinking that it was Smurph stalking us or some other >> fantasy. The scary part is I gave him my card and told him to call me next >> time in his in New Orleans. I am going to watch for hm in Sing Out Mag. >> >> It was such an emotional experience to watch on TV. I love to watch my >> Saints play football and it was nice to see the dome in a positive light >> again. >> >> Sorry for all the posts tonight but I am chatty! >> >> Love >> >> Paz - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:11:31 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Maybe it's take 5? Or maybe it's misheard? I'm on a jazz list, and someone was trying to say that on a 1951 live recording, Bird says "Who needs ya" between songs, when actually what he said was, "Night In Tunisia." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:16:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Levon Helm: house concert in Woodstock, NY every 2 weeks I'd spend 100 bucks to see that! My step dad who lives in Saugerties sent me a nyt article about a year ago describing this barn concert... when we were last at full moon & visited my step dad there we were searching for big pink on the way home... & never found it... my step dad said he recently impressed someone younger that he was talking to because he knew that there was some kind of 'pink music house' from days of yore.. lol... >In the latest Rolling Stone, they say he has a house concert in his barn every 2 weeks. He calls it "The Midnight Ramble". Apparently, his voice is back and he's open for business. He said he runs it from his website and tickets are $100 per person. It's far from a cheap ticket but hey, it's 2 bands then Levon Helm in his own barn.< belated happy birthday wishes to all the joni boys ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:00:10 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. Interesting interview, lots clues to her early songwriting history and some approximate dates of which. I'll pick up a copy of The Citizen on the 8th in case the new interview isn't online. Doug Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > That's some cool news, Les - I'm excited to read it. I'm glad that others > think the 30th anniversary of the GREATEST ALBUM EVER RECORDED is a worthy > subject of an interview and article. > > And hey, thanks for recently posting this 1968 interview: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 > > As I love early Joni I was enthralled with this one and want to bring it > to the attention of whoever hasn't taken the time to read it yet. > > Bob > > NP: Eels, "Your Lucky Day In Hell" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Barangrill - --- Michael Paz wrote: My take is that > Joni is equating this > whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as > the center image, but then > that is why I love her. She conjours up my own > images in my heart and in my > head.. > Yup. Sounds like that to me too. One of those places along the highway where you can stop for a meal and to get gas and whatever else. "The guy at the gas pump, he's got a lot of soul He can sing Merry Christmas for you, just like Nat King Cole." One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill. "Well, some say it's in service They say Humble makes pure." I used to think she was saying, "Well sunset's in service." It made sense to me in its own way. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! - --- Michael Paz wrote: > It's really more scary to think that Smurph may > visit me down here and I > would not know how to explain him to Freda. > What's to explain? To know him is to love him. R dR R R. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Oh boy - seems like i need to explain what's going on, again. Well - You see, Joni does sing 5 on Carey but ONLY in the "Joni Sings Live From Her Bedroom To You And Only To You" super limited edition of Blue. This super limited edition looks, feels, smells and costs EXACTLY like the ordinary version and is offered to the buyers once and only once the seller recognizes them as true fans or as family relatives. You may not even realize that you own the super limited edition, as i know most of us never did notice. However - Once a year, when your details are sent from the music store's archive to the uncoding lab downtown, Joni is able to plug herself to your stereo and speakers VIA the wiring in the walls of your home STRAIGHT to your cd-player and sing the INTIRE album LIVE to you and ONLY to you from her bedroom. Them lucky ones who exprienced this real-time event, have heard not only 5's - but also 43.7's, 7639.98's, cats chasing birds, dogs chasing cats, African birds nesting, distant thunders, cars crashing into pools, toasters burning, doors slamming, clocks ticking, match boxes shaking, baths and showers running, phones ringing, lawyers laughing, mothers crying, the sci-fi channel, Yoko Ono protesting, persistent coughing, ex-lovers snoring, Paris Hilton doing back vocals and playing the flute, neighbours making love to other neighbours, awkward silences, tracks 35-47, and if you got really lucky you could even hear Myrtle doing dishes in the kitchen while the self-distruct mechanism of the super limited edition started it's countdown and right before your cd-player exploded. However - If you DON'T hear ANYTHING on Carey BUT the damn song ITSELF - take comfort in your BSN album, where, even in the most common versions of the product, you can easily hear Joni singing "That's How High Ham" on Sometimes I'm Happy. So there. Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Barangrill Sorry Guys, but the song is NOT about someone IN Barngrill but about someone who is moving from a diner to a truck stop and asking waitresses and truck-drivers WHERE'S Barngrill, show me the way TO Barngrill, and so on - so it's pretty obvious this person is NOT in Barngrill yet, has no idea where it is, and does NOT even get there in the end while still wondering WHERE's Barngrill. Nuri Catherine McKay wrote: --- Michael Paz wrote: My take is that > Joni is equating this > whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as > the center image, but then > that is why I love her. She conjours up my own > images in my heart and in my > head.. > Yup. Sounds like that to me too. One of those places along the highway where you can stop for a meal and to get gas and whatever else. "The guy at the gas pump, he's got a lot of soul He can sing Merry Christmas for you, just like Nat King Cole." One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill. "Well, some say it's in service They say Humble makes pure." I used to think she was saying, "Well sunset's in service." It made sense to me in its own way. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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