From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 354 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Chomsky and Chavez (njc) [] Price of gas - the good news (njc) [] Re: Chomsky and Chavez (njc) ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc [waytoblue@comcast.ne] Re: so many frikkin birthdays - njc [Catherine McKay ] re: Cherokee Lousy? [Michael Flaherty ] re: Cherokee Lousy? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re: Cherokee Lousy? [Michael Flaherty ] re:Cherokee Lousy? ["c Karma" ] the best version of woodstock [Joseph Palis ] re: Cherokee Lousy? [Bob Muller ] Re: Hi All (VLJC) LONG! -- now njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Photos from DC on snapfish! (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Missing in Action - Personal - NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:45:09 -0700 From: Subject: Chomsky and Chavez (njc) Jerry wrote: >As for Chomsky, only the most rabid right wing >of the U.S. accuse him of being a communist. His own words: It's nice to know that he is critical of the Leninist and Stalinist branches of communism, but his own self-descibed beliefs closely align with communistic ideals. He decribes himself as a "libertarian socialist" and is sympathetic to "anarcho-syndicalism." He and his parents belonged to the IWW - International Workers of the World. Here is something from the IWW's "Mission Statement" found at http://www.iww.org/culture/official/preamble.shtml "The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life. Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth." Maybe he says he doesn't believe in the brutalities of totalitarianism but how can you say only the most rabid right wingers would "accuse" him of being a communist? Seems to walk like a duck to me. By the way, I think Chavez gave us a lot of unexpected and sorely needed laughs in this day of sometimes insane political posturings. Kind of like bringing it all down to its most absurdist level to help provide some perspective. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:39 -0700 From: Subject: Price of gas - the good news (njc) Seasonal drop-off in demand, no destructive hurricanes recently (hope it holds), The Alaska pipeline back online, the current debunking of the "peak oil" theorists, several new large discoveries around the planet and new technologies are making the speculators run the other way, so to speak, and bringing the price down Here's a nice overview of some of the good news: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/caruba091606.htm Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Chomsky and Chavez (njc) kbhla@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Maybe he says he doesn't believe in the brutalities of totalitarianism but > how can you say only the most rabid right wingers would "accuse" him of > being a communist? Seems to walk like a duck to me. Well, being a communist means belonging to a particular party or movement, which he is not, or proving that he he has secretly supported communist countries. As for equating communism with socialism, that's another right wing ploy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:20:20 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Coming back for a moment to mention, not only is it Muller month (hey Pally), but we must also raise our glasses (mine these days are bifocals) and sing Happy Birthday in our most out of tune voices to our witty, wise and wickedly delicious Uncle John van Tiel (9-24) and to our magical, madman, musical minstrel Victor Johnson (9-25). HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Yes I do, I love youse I swear on the stars above I do, jody - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Smurf" ; Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc > --- Smurf wrote: > >> Muller month continues with BOB'S ACTUAL BIRTHDAY -- >> September 23! >> >> Happy birthday, Bob, my dear old friend. Try as we >> may, we never seem to catch up to Catherine, do we? > > > ... and you never will. In so many ways. > > Happy birthday, Muller - for real this time! > >> have fun >> without me! > > Oh, we most certainly will! > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:05:16 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Happy Birthday to those Magical, Musical Madmen - Uncle John and Victor!!! And thanks Jody for being the Birthday Fairy! Love Donna >>> "Scott and Jody" 9/26/2006 10:20 AM >>> Coming back for a moment to mention, not only is it Muller month (hey Pally), but we must also raise our glasses (mine these days are bifocals) and sing Happy Birthday in our most out of tune voices to our witty, wise and wickedly delicious Uncle John van Tiel (9-24) and to our magical, madman, musical minstrel Victor Johnson (9-25). HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Yes I do, I love youse I swear on the stars above I do, jody - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Smurf" ; Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc > --- Smurf wrote: > >> Muller month continues with BOB'S ACTUAL BIRTHDAY -- >> September 23! >> >> Happy birthday, Bob, my dear old friend. Try as we >> may, we never seem to catch up to Catherine, do we? > > > ... and you never will. In so many ways. > > Happy birthday, Muller - for real this time! > >> have fun >> without me! > > Oh, we most certainly will! > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ( http://mail.yahoo.com/ ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:46:24 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: chavez and chomsky NJC I loved Chavez's comments at the U.N. I thought they were very funny... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:50:03 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Happy Birthday U2!!! Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:09:13 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Hi Donna! You are right. Actually, All three birthday boys share the same qualities!!!! I swear on the Planets above I do! jody xoxo ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Binkley To: Scott and Jody ; waytoblue@comcast.net ; John van Tiel ; joni@smoe.org Cc: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Happy Birthday to those Magical, Musical Madmen - Uncle John and Victor!!! And thanks Jody for being the Birthday Fairy! Love Donna >>> "Scott and Jody" 9/26/2006 10:20 AM >>> Coming back for a moment to mention, not only is it Muller month (hey Pally), but we must also raise our glasses (mine these days are bifocals) and sing Happy Birthday in our most out of tune voices to our witty, wise and wickedly delicious Uncle John van Tiel (9-24) and to our magical, madman, musical minstrel Victor Johnson (9-25). HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Yes I do, I love youse I swear on the stars above I do, jody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Smurf" ; Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc > --- Smurf wrote: > >> Muller month continues with BOB'S ACTUAL BIRTHDAY -- >> September 23! >> >> Happy birthday, Bob, my dear old friend. Try as we >> may, we never seem to catch up to Catherine, do we? > > > ... and you never will. In so many ways. > > Happy birthday, Muller - for real this time! > >> have fun >> without me! > > Oh, we most certainly will! > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:41:33 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: green, njc I am doing a new thing this year (and it will lead up to an art project.. a poster) . . . but mainly I am trying to teach kids to honor and respect the earth. . so every day I am giving them one "Green inspiration note." I am requiring that they write it down. . I would like to know if you have any good ideas. I need one or two (at the most) sentences inspiration or fact. . or what have you. . . Here is what I have given them so far: 1. Conservation: to conserve is to protect from being used up. Please conserve. 2.Reduce, reuse, recycle, in that order. 3. The frog does not drink up the pond in which s/he lives. - indian proverb 4. There are two sides to every paper. . . reuse. 5. Styrofoam: Americans produce enough styrofoam cups every year to circle the earth 436 times. to come: "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone." we talk about these things as they are doing their art projects. (they are 8th and 10th graders) let me know if you have any. . send them anytime. thanks. Marianne ps. I would really like to give them several indian inspirations. . but every thing is good. keep it simple I was going to get a pretty green paper for this. . . I really was. . but the one I liked was $12 a ream. . and this pretty blue- purple paper was only $6. . . so they are doing their green inspirations on pretty blue- purple paper. : -) _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get.live.com/spaces/features ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:51:20 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc Thanks for all the birthday wishes!!! It's been a very good one...:) Not to be picky, but its actually on the 26th, today! Victor, in between classes - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Scott and Jody" > Hi Donna! > > You are right. Actually, All three birthday boys share the same qualities!!!! > I swear on the Planets above I do! > > jody > xoxo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Binkley > To: Scott and Jody ; waytoblue@comcast.net ; John van Tiel ; joni@smoe.org > Cc: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc > > > Happy Birthday to those Magical, Musical Madmen - Uncle John and Victor!!! > > And thanks Jody for being the Birthday Fairy! > > Love Donna > > >>> "Scott and Jody" 9/26/2006 10:20 AM >>> > Coming back for a moment to mention, not only is it Muller month (hey > Pally), but we must also raise our glasses (mine these days are bifocals) > and sing Happy Birthday in our most out of tune voices to our witty, wise > and wickedly delicious Uncle John van Tiel (9-24) and to our magical, > madman, musical minstrel Victor Johnson (9-25). > HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! > > Yes I do, I love youse > I swear on the stars above I do, > > jody > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine McKay" > To: "Smurf" ; > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: Muller time and taking a V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N -- njc > > > > --- Smurf wrote: > > > >> Muller month continues with BOB'S ACTUAL BIRTHDAY -- > >> September 23! > >> > >> Happy birthday, Bob, my dear old friend. Try as we > >> may, we never seem to catch up to Catherine, do we? > > > > > > ... and you never will. In so many ways. > > > > Happy birthday, Muller - for real this time! > > > >> have fun > >> without me! > > > > Oh, we most certainly will! > > > > > > Catherine > > Toronto > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: so many frikkin birthdays - njc Happy birthdays to yiz. - --- Donna Binkley wrote: > Happy Birthday to those Magical, Musical Madmen - > Uncle John and Victor!!! > > And thanks Jody for being the Birthday Fairy! > > Love Donna > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:49:54 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Missing in Action - NJC, then Cassy's pins Sherelle wrote: Dearest Cassy, I am glad to just know you my sweet friend! Okay, to show my naivete, my first thought when I read "leather" was..."purses!" Then I read further...Ha! Ha! Oh my friend! I'm just happy to hear from you! - --- Moi aussi, Strawberry Fields Sister! "Purses? Vests? Boots?" Cassy -- you "in your leather and lace" -- you know I've been wondering where you were! I remember you asking what music people like to listen to "again and again in the same situation", and then you seemed to disappear. HA! Now we know the REST of the story! Sounds like you've found "solid love" and I'm very happy for you. I wish we could all break french bread together again and laugh and toast to Cassy. Croque-monsieurs, anyone? dB? With Gary Z staring a hole in his scrambled eggs? I was already thinking of you last night, Cassy, even before I read your post. I was looking for a particular pin to wear today. ("There is no flag large enough cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn", because he is coming to campus today. Woo hoo!! Just what I need -- more sweet inspiration to carry on.) ANYHOOOO, I found the pin in the beautiful little pouch you created to cradle the wonderful JMDL pins you made for the Joni Tribute at Carnegie Hall. I always meant to describe these to you all, and I don't think I ever did. So now let me take a minute to do that. The first time I met Cassy she was sitting in the lounge of the Park Central Hotel. She approached me and smiled and handed me a little goody bag. The little bag is so delicate...."stood-out-like-a- ruby"-colored, made out of angel hair (!) or gossamer-like fabric, and tied with little satin ribbons. Not just tied, but the ribbons are threaded through the little seams she made, and they pull together like a drawstring. They clearly were made lovingly and with great care, and must have taken a lot of time. I treasure mine. It is a safe home for some of my other peace pins, my Hejira pin, my Blue pin, and of course, the TWO that Cassy made. One large, one small. Of course she made two, because as we know so well, two Joni heads are better than one. If good fortune did not allow you to come, let me describe them. The pins are square, wooden, with Joni's picture/profile on shiny paper that is glued to the wood. The words are: JMDL (on top) and (underneath the photo) Carnegie Hall 2006. On the back is the silver needle/pin part, glued on. You can see the clear glue drop, which always makes me think of the lyrics "and the wax falls down like tears". Cassy apologized for their imperfection, and I laugh at how her perfection will always be undenied. They are precious. Merci encore une fois, Cassy! Love, Patti P., rushing, hoping I did Cassy's pins justice as I'm racing away...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:01:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: so many frikkin birthdays - njc Well, you can do the math and see why there are so many frikkin' birthdays this time of year - we were all conceived around Christmas...people are off work, everyone's always in a good mood (or pretends to be) and it's that good ol' Norman Rockwell spirit. Or else they're just bored and having $ex to pass the time. Christmas + 9 months = Sept 20-30. Bob NP: Primus, "Groundhog's Day" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:17:50 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Cherokee Lousy? Bob wrote: ...and probably the worst selection to put on Tlog...ah yes, a lovely orchestrated song about teenage rape, betrayal and lost childhood." Louise is a survivor. Don't forget, we find her a few years later wearing a push-up bra. (Rolling, rolling, rock 'n rolling.) I couldn't disagree more about its (Cherokee Louise') presence on T'log. I think it's probably the second best arrangement on the record (after "Woodstock") and probably one of the few where the orchestra and Brian Blade create real synergy. The somber intro alone is worth the price of my disc. Sometimes I hear a clock ticking, sometimes it's the constant drip of rainwater in a lonely hole under the bridge. It's one of several music cues from T'log I could see stolen into any number of films with truly serious and humane content. Other wonderful examples are the opening of "Love", the harp lifting us above the clouds as "Refuge of the Roads" starts, or the distant train whistles and banshee cry that close "For The Roses." Why after all this time do I still feel that many JMDListers still don't get Travelogue? I don't mean to single Bob's comment out to get to this point, but I do wonder. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: re: Cherokee Lousy? c Karma wrote: >The somber intro alone is worth the price of my disc. Sometimes I hear a clock ticking, sometimes it's the constant drip of rainwater in a lonely hole under the bridge. It's one of several music cues from T'log I could see stolen into any number of films with truly serious and humane content. Other wonderful examples are the opening of "Love", the harp lifting us above the clouds as "Refuge of the Roads" starts, or the distant train whistles and banshee cry that close "For The Roses." That is a beautiful description. It almost makes me want to listen to Tlog again .... almost. ;) I think I prefer your words to the music. >Why after all this time do I still feel that many JMDListers still don't get Travelogue? I don't mean to single Bob's comment out to get to this point, but I do wonder. Just because some of us don't like something doesn't mean we don't "get" it. Simply put, sweet strings don't appeal to me. More importantly, as I've pointed out recently, I think that these versions suffer by comparison to the originals. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:43:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re: Cherokee Lousy? Or as I sometimes like to say..."I get it, I just don't want it." Like Michael, the 101 Strings treatment on most of this album (although much more enjoyable than BSN) doesn't work for me. It's tedious and tired. And on a song like Cherokee Louise, the interpretation is especially inappropriate. It's a very intimate and quiet song, this full orchestra backing makes about as much sense as putting a heavy metal spin on it. Joni's original vision for the song was exactly spot on. The same for "Sex Kills", except in this case it doesn't need the sugary orchestra, it NEEDS the metallic treatment - and it gets it, courtesy of Roine Stolt, coming up on Joni Covers Volume 81 October 1. Let's take a look at Woodstock...she's released it in a variety of styles: LOTC version MOA version S&L version Tlog version And there are striking differences in all of them - question to the list at large...which one works best for you & why? Bob NP: Billie Holiday, "Until The Real Thing Comes Along" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: re: Cherokee Lousy? Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Subject: re:Cherokee Lousy? Bob wrote, after Michael and me: "It's a very intimate and quiet song, this full orchestra backing makes about as much sense as putting a heavy metal spin on it. Joni's original vision for the song was exactly spot on." Again, I'd have to respectfully disagree that the T'log version seems quieter and more introspective to me. I thought the original version was just fine until compared, then the skipping tempo seemed ironically detached and not grave enough to support the subject. Now as regards the four variations on "Woodstock." That's an interesting challenge as all are VERY different. I think I have to disregard the MOA version as too pop. The S&L version is so reverent it's almost homage. That leaves the original LOTC and T'log. The original recalls the experience so vividly it's damn near impossible to supplant. The orchestral version is documentary. I've said this before, it's arrangement channels Lyndon Johnson and Chief Seattle in a way no other piece of music has. LOTC hits the nail on the head. T'log's throws a wider net. Is it too wide? That depends on whether you think too many lessons have been forgotten or too much potential squandered in the years between the two. There are now two generations who did not have the present context within which to discover the LOTC version. T'log's version attempts to make up for some of that. CC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:09:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: the best version of woodstock I would have to say that I love the MOA version of "Woodstock". Partly because I like the cohesiveness of sound in the whole MOA album and by around this time, Joni has sung this song quite a number of times and have explored the musical nunaces this ong can provide. Having said that, the LOTC version of "Woodstock" is hard to equal since a lot of memories are associuated with its first listen. Despite the fact that I am one of those people who only discovered Joni in 1990, I listened and purchased her albums chronologically. For some reason, the "Woodstock" version in S&L did not really do it for me. The album is great and channels the live feel of the performance on the album and its cinematic ramifications. For some reason, I thought Joni was going through the motions with some of the songs in this live album. I like it when the song is given a different treatment and conveys the sense of wonderment of the original but in a slightly modified musical palette. As for "Woodstock" in T'log, I like the orchestral scope of the score that made the song more expansive and open to musical accoutrements. But then this can also be seen as overblown when a sparer version could have conveyed more in less musical extravaganza. Someone said that T'log's versions of earlier Joni songs can be likened to a documentary and I agree though I am not sure if we are thinking in the same lines. I think that the orchestral version sort of placed the song in an almost classical context to bring out the timelessness of Joni's songcraft/song wizardry. Some songs lend themselves well to this musical setting ("You Dream Flat Tires") while others don't ("The Last Time I saw Richard"). But that's just me and it is obvious that all our subjective tastes have as much to do as to why we prefer this song from this, this musical setting from this, this arrangement from this, etc. As for the best version of "Woodstock" among other artists, I like Tuck & Patti's version of it. But you know what, "Woodstock" is not even among my favorite Joni songs. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Etta Baker "Marching Jaybird" c Karma a icrit : Bob wrote, after Michael and me: "It's a very intimate and quiet song, this full orchestra backing makes about as much sense as putting a heavy metal spin on it. Joni's original vision for the song was exactly spot on." Again, I'd have to respectfully disagree that the T'log version seems quieter and more introspective to me. I thought the original version was just fine until compared, then the skipping tempo seemed ironically detached and not grave enough to support the subject. Now as regards the four variations on "Woodstock." That's an interesting challenge as all are VERY different. I think I have to disregard the MOA version as too pop. The S&L version is so reverent it's almost homage. That leaves the original LOTC and T'log. The original recalls the experience so vividly it's damn near impossible to supplant. The orchestral version is documentary. I've said this before, it's arrangement channels Lyndon Johnson and Chief Seattle in a way no other piece of music has. LOTC hits the nail on the head. T'log's throws a wider net. Is it too wide? That depends on whether you think too many lessons have been forgotten or too much potential squandered in the years between the two. There are now two generations who did not have the present context within which to discover the LOTC version. T'log's version attempts to make up for some of that. CC - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: re: Cherokee Lousy? OK, *just for you* I just played the track with an open mind, and I do have to say that you're right about that beginning. It is superb and really sets the scene properly, the accents are on the woodwinds and it works very well until around the 4-minute mark when the strings get way too heavy and suffer from the "More is more" approach that plagues so many, if not all of these tracks. Maybe a quartet or even a lone cello would have served the song better. Thanks for motivating me to give it a closer listen, and I'm glad that you get so much enjoyment from Tlog. Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "Harder" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:15:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi All (VLJC) LONG! -- now njc I started to write you back and give you a tip on "replying to peoples emails" and then thought better of it..... Paz > Michael Paz wrote: > > > << At dinner we sat next to an emerging artist by the name of > Regina Spektor who was on her way to Atlanta to play a show. The kids > from > the Cajun band Feufollet were impressed that we were traveling with > someone > like her. I was not that impressed! >> > > > This must be the very same Regina Spektor that Garret has been raving about > for awhile. I keep meaning to check her out, but she never gets on my train. > > I just stopped in at the internet cafe in P-town to check my mail. Didn't read > it all, but can never resist anything labeled "LONG!" that Paz offers me. > > --Smurf, cynical and sober and boring everyone in some internet cafe > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:16:18 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Photos from DC on snapfish! (njc) Great pics Victor thanks so much but there have to be more. You never stopped snapping. BTW it's Geno Delafose. Paz > Thanks Rose! The photos of the girl with the triangle and the > violinists are of the band Feufollet from Lafayette. The photo of > the band inside the performing arts center is of Marcia Ball and her > band. The man in the jacket on the outside stage is Geno Delorose > from New Orleans. I believe the other pictures are self > explanatory...lol > > Victor > > > > > On Sep 24, 2006, at 4:24 PM, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > >> Great photos Victor, thanks for sharing them, but NO way is that >> Smurfie!!!I don't believe it!!! >> >> Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: (njc) Chicago Jazz Composers Collective concert Hi Fred I am coming back to Chicago in early December for the next leg of the Arlo Guthrie City of New Orleans Tour. I will advise you when it is set in stone. Would love to come hear you play. Next time you need a pedal steel guy please call me and I will give you Dave Easley's number (see Jack Neilson Here I Go Again and Brain Blade Fellowship Albums) Regarding the notes being 75% accurate, hey man, Miles probably would have said "Hey Man that was brilliant!!!!!!!" It's jazz man! Rock ON!! LOL! Paz > Sherelle, thanks so much for your supportive words. > > The gig went well considering that the bass player's father died last week; > had to find Someone Good three days before the gig, and did. But the only time > he could rehearse was one hour before the gig, which was just as well because > that's the only time the drummer could rehearse, too. > > Two days before the gig, the pedal steel player called to tell me that his > road trip to Austin (20 hour drive) was leaving at 8 AM the day of my gig, not > at 8 PM (after the gig). So, no pedal steel player ... too late to find > another who could play in disparate bags of music. > > Rehearsed a little with the two remaining guitarists, and then we all gathered > to rehearse for the first and only time all together in the one hour before > the gig, right up until 8 minutes before the gig. Patrons had already come in, > the sound person was breathing down my neck. We took a deep breath and jumped > in. > > The notes were about 75 percent accurate, many layers of nuance were > unattended (under rehearsing is over rated for the kind of music I write). But > the vibe was good, and response was enthusiastic. And so goes the marriage of > art and commerce in a declining civilization. > > Thanks again, > Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherellesmith@hotmail.com > To: frednow@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: (njc) Chicago Jazz Composers Collective concert > > You always have our support Fred! This sounds very interesting! I wish I were > close enough to check it out! Best of luck to you this weekend and please let > us know how it went!!! > > Sherelle > > Fred wrote: > > For anyone in Chicago this weekend ... > > Got some new music and some re-imagined old music played by a group with > multiple guitars. I'm really excited to hear how it's gonna turn out, and I > hope you all can drop by and have a listen. > > As always, I'm grateful for your past and future support. > > Fred > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:38:45 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi All (VLJC) LONG! NJC I9m NOT always expansive, but I AM rambling. Paz NP-Dreamgirl-DMB > > > Thanks for the great expansive rambling report, Mikey - sounds like a good > time was had by all. > > are in Greenville at the Greenville Fest on Friday the 13th of October> > > I'm heading out of town on the 12th so I'll miss this one (don't it always > seem to go) but I WILL be back in time to catch the Richard Thompson/Amy > Correia show 10/24. Pretty jacked about that one. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Fuel" > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > ----------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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I hope and pray for the further development of you happiness and wonderment. Cheers to you and your so far nameless partner and I hope to see you both at Jonifest. Love Paz NP-cartoons on the tube > I've been missing in action from the list for a little while now. The > political content usually is cause enough for me to disappear as I tend to use > my delete key frequently and may miss a good topic or two in the fray but > there are a few people whose posts I read regardless and those keep me abreast > of what's being said by who. > > Life has been busy for me. As a few of you know I am involved in the leather > world (BDSM for those of you who aren't familiar with the term) and have been > out and about teaching classes here and there. It's been a lot of fun and a > big responsibility covering safety topics along with some technique. I have > met some wonderful people and have learned a thing or two myself in the > process. > > One of the frequent topics of conversation among kinky folk is "Community" I > saw a reference here to "true community" from, I believe it was, Laura and it > brought to mind something I heard at a BDSM conference recently about > community: "'Community' is all about the last five letters of the word". I > feel that applies here too. Unity doesn't mean everyone agreeing about > everything, it's about a shared common bond and that we have in our love for > Joni. > > During my sojourn deeper into what I do I met someone special in my life and > find myself getting involved in a relationship that I swore I'd never have > again. He insisted he didn't want a relationship either, just wanted to have > a casual, mutually satisfying companionship... that was fine with me. After > casually dating and playing for about two years, we were driving around a > couple of weeks ago, stopped at a light and I turned to him and said "this is > a lovely relationship we're not having". > > Opening ones self up to a new person is an interesting process, especially in > a power-exchange situation. I didn't want to give up control of my life and I > don't have to because I'm in charge. His input is both welcome and considered > but ultimately choices are mine to make and it's working really well for me > (and for him apparently). Yes, to a degree it's about kinky pursuits but it's > also about a deeper level of trust than I've shared with any of my previous > partners. It's about communication like one never imagined and sharing one's > deepest fantasies and desires no matter how scary it is to share them. It > brings people closer knowing they can talk about taboos and ultimately satisfy > those cravings one never talks about for fear of being considered perverted. > Whips and chains aside, the relationship is really about sharing... > everything. > > The end result of this is that last month he surprised me by getting on his > knees (not an unusual position for him so I had no idea what was coming) > presented me with a marquise diamond ring and proposed. I have accepted even > though I know it will be a long engagement. > > My partner was recently hired by Boeing and moved to Seattle last week. If > things work out for him there and he is happy in his career I will be moving > there too some time next year, definitely AFTER Joni Fest. > > I sincerely hope I haven't made anyone uncomfortable with my level of sharing > but it's a big part of who I am. I'm out to all of my friends and family and > am much more at ease knowing I can be myself among you. > > Cassy > (teasingly termed the "Mistress of Pain" by Bob Muller during the spanking > thread) > > NP: This is a Man's World - James Brown ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:32:51 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi All (VLJC) LONG! -- now Regina Spektor njc HI Garret Thanks for the background on her. To be honest with you I thought she was a little stuck up on the train and while we were a group of musicians who were obviously traveling together she was very disinterested in any kind of conversation with anyone other than the guy who was traveling with her. Even when she and her companion vanished from the dining car and left her scarf on the seat, Victor went looking for them to try and return her scarf and well she was unimpressed. The kids in the Cajun band thought we knew who she was the next day after they found out who she was. It aggravates me that people are not more open and friendly and that they remove themselves from the real world and seem so taken with themselves. I'm really sorry that I didn't know who she was and could have done an appropriate amount of gushing... I know I should have been paying closer attention to Garret's posts and I might have heard her stuff and could have gushed, but I didn't. It would have been nice if she would have responded positively to Victor's offer to jam later and we might have heard her and loved her and have been gushing to you all here, but then Smurph might not have listened cause it was not a loooooooooooong post and her never would have known either and and and Oh well I guess old hippies on a train might be frightening I never thought about that. I have listened to several of her tunes while I write this and I dare say she sounds interesting. Thanks again I will try to pay more attention next time after all I found my Jonatha here and Patty Griffin. Best Paz NP-On The Radio-The dreaded Regina Spektor P.S. She is going to be out of town while I am in NYC so I guess stalking is out of the question. > Hi Paz and Smurph (enjoy P-town) > > So there is this singer living in Brooklyn who was born in Russia it > seems, who goes by the name of Regina Spektor. She starts writing > songs to entertain her friends and she is eventually told she sounds > like some woman called Joni Mitchell. She doesn't know who Joni > Mitchell is and she really does not sound at all like Joni Mitchell. > > She records some albums independently. She builds up a loyal > following in NYC. She gets a deal that releases her third album, > Soviet Kitsch, internationally. It sells a lot and pleases some > cricits while driving others to distraction. It's a fun album, if you > allow yourself to interpret it as kitsch. It is perhaps cringeworthy > if you are taking the lyrics as serious attempts at writing poetry. > But i don't need to tell that to people on the JMDL. > > When that album was released i became hooked on some of her songs. I > found her witty and enjoyed her playing around with styles. She was > "kooky" enough to warrant comparisons with Fiona Apple and Tori Amos. > I saw her live earlier this year and it was fun. She was very good at > playing on her image. she was funny and her voice is much better live > than on CD. > > I then bought one of her older albums from cdbaby. I just didn't get > into it. The follow up to Soviet Kitsch was released a couple of > months ago and it is the biggest disappointment of the year for me. > There are three good songs on it and one of them is a song from one of > the other albums. So, i am left wondering if Regina Spektor happily > hit on a specific combination with Soviet Kitsch that pushed my > buttons, you know the ones that float my boat and all of these good > things. I don't want to be wrong, but i think that maybe, just maybe, > she is not all that great. > > I still love Soviet Kitsch. And i still think her single, Us, is one > of the best singles of last year. Or the year before. I can't > remember. > > If you are on myspace listen to Regina and arrive at your own opinion. > She is at least as good as a lot of the **** on the radio. A little > Regina joke for you there. > http://www.myspace.com/reginaspektor > > Kate Nash reminds me of Regina (when she managed to be fun). Listen > to her if you don't mind her bad language. > http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5672 > 5469 > GARRET > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Smurf > Subject: Re: Hi All (VLJC) LONG! -- now njc > > Michael Paz wrote: > > > << At dinner we sat next to an emerging artist by the name of > Regina Spektor who was on her way to Atlanta to play a show. The kids > from > the Cajun band Feufollet were impressed that we were traveling with > someone > like her. I was not that impressed! >> > > > This must be the very same Regina Spektor that Garret has been raving > about for awhile. I keep meaning to check her out, but she never gets > on my train. > > I just stopped in at the internet cafe in P-town to check my mail. > Didn't read it all, but can never resist anything labeled "LONG!" that > Paz offers me. > > - --Smurf, cynical and sober and boring everyone in some internet cafe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:37:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi All (njC) LONG! Thanks for the lovely comments. The cheerleader was a gas and I am glad we spoke to him cause he was very taken with New Orleans and our music and who would have known but just looking at him and thinking that it was Smurph stalking us or some other fantasy. The scary part is I gave him my card and told him to call me next time in his in New Orleans. I am going to watch for hm in Sing Out Mag. It was such an emotional experience to watch on TV. I love to watch my Saints play football and it was nice to see the dome in a positive light again. Sorry for all the posts tonight but I am chatty! Love Paz > Hi Paz, > > I just wanted to say again what a wonderful time hanging out with you and > Victor. Thanks for elaborating more on the train ride up. The idea for a > Joni Tribute is so great! I hope it can happen. Thank you so much for the > introduction to Garth my friend! I was very honored. Everything happens in > its own time but you gave me a lot of inspiration to keep moving forward. I > will dream my dreams dear friend. > > I wasn't sure how to take the cheerleader but I think you're on to > something. I did my best to be gracious and friendly to him. I guess the > less said on that one the better! > > How fortunate you are to be part of such music and such community! I had a > couple of friends whipping me with wet noodles because I didn't tell them > about the event. As many people as were there, I thought the whole city knew > about it before I did. We must do that again! > > I'm watching the crowd roar and cheer on the Saints who are ahead 14 to 3 > right now in the second quarter. Spike Lee will be on right after the > commercial. I'm sorry I missed U2 and Green Day but I was able to see Allen > Toussaint play a mean piano on the Star Spangled Banner. Spike very > eloquently spoke on how he just wanted to give the people of New Orleans a > chance to tell people their story in front of the camera. He purposely > stepped out of the way so they could tell their story. He admires their > courage to just keep on going. He said that he can't understand why we can't > help our own American citizens...well said! > > Packaway Handle Band sounds like a great group! I love Bluegrass too and I > hope I will hear more about them in the near future. > > Victor, post the pictures young man!!! Or I'll have to sing another chorus > of "Ramblin Man" with you! > > Sherelle > > P.S. Have fun in Long Island next month Paz!!! Be nice to Kay! (smile) > > Paz wrote: > > Happy Birthday to Muller and happy vacation to Smurph. Hope you guys have a > wonderful time! > > I have not been posting much cause I am still so damn busy. I wanted to > write and tell everyone what a wonderful time I had on my train trip to D.C. > We left N.O. Very early in the morning on Thursday along with Wild > Magnolias, FeuFollet, Vic and the Puppett lady, and Grupo Fantasma from > Austin Texas. We did whistle stops in Meridian, Ms (where we picked up Supa > Chicken a local Blues player), And Birmingham, Ala, and finally Atlanta, Ga. > Where we picked up Victor the Human Jukebox. A wonderful time was had by > all. My gig was to provide sound for the artists when they jumped off the > train at each whistle stop which was easy with a battery powered speaker and > and a couple mics. Along the way we eat drank of course played a lot of > music along the way. I brought my VG-8 and Parker and played a lot of Joni > for some rabid Joni fans in the club car before we hit Atlanta. I was > introduced to a Mr. Sansone who told me that his son had been hired to play > keyboards for Wilco. I spent a good bit of time talking with him on the > train and listening to the stories of how great his son Patrick is. I was > not running on all cylinders cause it wasn't till we got to Atlanta that I > saw him talking to his son and realized that it was my friend Pat Sansone > who had played with my other pal Joe Tullos after his Scoundrel's Waltz > album came out (a gem if you can find it). We had recorded the record at > Daniel Lanois's studio years ago along with members of Blind Melon and > Squirril Nut Zippers. Pat is one of them cats that can play everything and > he is one hell of a great utility guy. I had about 45 seconds to have a hug > and try to catch up before we had to get on the train and head on to DC. > Victor's new girlfriend is a knockout and seems very nice, but we did not > have much time to get to know each other. > We had some jams in the club car with Victor and then moved it back to our > crash pad car with the rest of the artists where we had a very nice jam with > all the different influences of latino, cajun, jazz and blues melded into > one big gumbo. Of course we played a couple of Joni ones cause the guy that > hired me Garth Ross (who also hired Claudia and Randall) from the Kennedy > Center is a big Joan fan. We wound down the party about 1am (very early by > Victor and my standards). We stayed at the Watergate Hotel which was surreal > for me. We had the whole day to our selves so of course we ate some more and > rested a while but then we got together in the evening with the beautiful > and talented Sherelle and her husband Rob. We had cocktails in the room and > talked and watched some of the video of Jack Neilson that Jackie Guthrie had > sent to me. We then taxied into Georgetown to meet equally lovely and > talented Claudia and Uncle John. We had a meal that was just fantastic and > of course lots of Conversation. Due to a serious case of Jet Lag Uncle John > had to check out early with Claudia, but Sherelle, Rob and Victor and I > headed back to the hotel for a few tunes before we called it a night. > The next day we enjoyed a wonderful day of music with all the artists that > came on the train with us as well as many more that came up by other means. > Sherelle and Rob came out to meet us again and we had a lovely day. Victor > made the Washington Post the next day as "a guy who joined in on flute" and > we had a lot of pics from the train ride that made the paper. I was able to > introduce Sherelle to Garth so I hope there is an open door for her at > Kennedy Center when here new record comes out. I am feeling like we have a > chance to do a Joni Tribute at Kennedy Center in the future (and of course > sponsored by Amtrak). The Kennedy Center is a gorgeous venue and I think it > would be perfect. > On the way back I was able to spend a lot of time catching up on sleep and > playing guitar and watching the documentary I am working on as Music > Supervisor. At dinner we sat next to an emerging artist by the name of > Regina Spektor who was on her way to Atlanta to play a show. The kids from > the Cajun band Feufollet were impressed that we were traveling with someone > like her. I was not that impressed! > Victor took many fotos which is suppose to post somewhere for public viewing > and you can see the visual proof that we were stalked by Bob "Smurphy" > Murphy who was in disguise. I was very upset that he could not just hang out > with us like in the old days but was reduced to this tired old disguise we > have seen him so many times before. One curious thing though is that he > ditched the pom poms. Very strange! > I got some very copol collectibals on the trip including stationary from the > Watergate Hotel as well as an original chalk drawing by artist Rowina Bowman > (a BIG Joni fan). VERY cool! > > Victor post the pics will ya???!!! > > Have a great weekend all and peace love and understanding to all the > politicos. > > > Early warning!!! I will be in NYC for the weekend of Oct 13 for the Long > Island Music Awards and to of course kick Kay Ashley's ASS! Watch out > beeeeatch cause I am coming to get you. You won't be hiding behind that > fertility thing anymo. > > Please cheee for the New Orleans Saints in Monday night and watch the pre > game show for performances by U2, Green Day, Allen Toussaint, and New > Orleans Brass bands. > > BTW I worked with a band last Thursday called Packway Handle Band from > Athens, Georgia. A wonderful bluegrass band. Keep an eye out for them and go > check them out. Check them out at www.packwayhandle.com Heads up Muller they > are in Greenville at the Greenville Fest on Friday the 13th of October (I > will be on my way to NYC). > > > Have a great weekend everyone. > > Love > > Paz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #354 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------