From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #349 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 23 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 349 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Thats all right mamma cover, live, wow! ["ron" ] NJC ABC propaganda & The Price of gas going down ???? [Andeemac2006 ] Another year... ["P. Henry" ] poverty. . now schools, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] schools, cupcakes, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni art work [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Hell about Joni's art ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] goosebumps njc ["Kate Bennett" ] discussions politics or no njc ["Kate Bennett" ] njc, affection & respect, a little passion, & politics ["Patti Parlette" ] NJC *THE* Toy for this Christmas [FMYFL@aol.com] Poverty etc. long and rambling ,NJC [Lucy Hone ] Re: BSN [Kate ] Re: njc, affection & respect, a little passion, & politics [Catherine McK] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC ["mia _" ] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:22:24 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Thats all right mamma cover, live, wow! hi >>>benedicte wrote >>>> OK I have to share this with somebody. If you want to hear a live party >>>> that ROCKS, then listen to my fav male singer Jim Neversink performing >>>> Thats All Right Mamma with another SA artist. The sound quality is not >>>> that good well - ive already told bene about this, but just thought id mention it to the group i went & saw jim neversink last weekend. there were a couple of problems - the sound was extremely bad & the guitar strings seemed extremely brittle (well - they were seriously abused! but the band was great. they call it "loserbilly" but it really is a strange mixture of country & alt-rock (as opposed to alt country??). some songs ere the strangest mixture with jim (real name??) playing straight country while the band played alt country. matthew fink plays 2nd guitar, & he plays an accordian which is a real shocker (in a good way). never thought it would work so well in a \n alternative band - might just change my mind about the accordian's merits as an instrument :-) jim also did a couple of solo songs - just him & guitar - which was great as i could now at least hear his voice.it seems that helso was a part of famous curtain trick, a band which i also know nothing about other than that they were local, & that ive got two cds of theirs which are very good. kind of more polished folk/rock/pop with an edge to it. anyhow - hes playing out in the mountains this weekend (white mountain) but im gonna try & get back again next week ron np - jim neversink - mail order russian bride ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:27:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: NJC ABC propaganda & The Price of gas going down ???? Is it only me that thinks that Mr Rove has been pulling in favors all round, he gets the Owners of ABC to order a biast Documentry about 9/11 ( shamefull this truly) 4 hours long, with no Adverts!!!. Only the people at ABC no how much revenue was lost to there employers, and where the compensation came from, MMmmm I wonder ???? Put it this way not from the Democatic side ???????? ABC's journalists have lost all there credibility dont you think??? if only from not reporting on the FACT!!!!!!And do you think that the Price of gas going down a coincedence???? hey Fox News are ashamedly reporting that GW Bush has enabled this event and its good news for the Republicans at the election.Think about it for a while is this right??That our President and his henchman Rove can conspire the price of Gas to go up and down to suit there Political needs, and this isnt news is it ???? why oh why, Ignoring ABC and Fox News, you would think that one Media outlet would make an issue about this, how far would these people be prepared to go to win elections ??? You know "Vote for us and we will lower the price of Gas". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:51:18 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: RE : M. Ward on All Songs Considered... goosebumps - njc Hi Brenda, I am so glad to see Susana Baca mentioned on the list. Of all the new-to-me music i have come across in the last four years she is right up there. She manages to move seamlessly from the rhythmic world of the joyous, triumphant and celebratory to the world of the down trodden, aggrieved, melancholy maintaining conviction, passion. I have not listened to her for a few months so will probably go now and root out one of her albums. I'm particularly fond of Espiritu Vivo. My only exposure to Sonya Kitchell was at the Joni tribute in Carnegie hall earlier this year where she sang Trouble Child. I had booked a ticket to see her play somewhere the next day but never made it to see her. GARRET Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:58:57 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: RE : M. Ward on All Songs Considered... goosebumps - njc > Goosebumps are hard to come by. I must say that the only experiences I've had with them in the last couple of years have been Susana Baca and Sonya Kitchell. I'm a bit biased with Sonya because she's a friend but even though I've heard her sing many times in all kinds of environments, there is always a moment where she gets me. And truly she has really only just begun. B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:08:40 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC ABC propaganda & The Price of gas going down ???? On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:27 AM, Andeemac2006 wrote: > Is it only me that thinks that Mr Rove has been pulling in favors all > round, he gets the Owners of ABC to order a biast Documentry about > 9/11 ( > shamefull this truly) 4 hours long, with no Adverts!!!. Yes it is only you. Victor, wondering if was because of Karl Rove that it was colder in the morning the past couple of days ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Hell about Joni's art Hell in New Zealand introduced a wonderful subject which I'm jumping 'en bard' with: << let me suggest aJoni-related subject for discussion: Joni isn't writing music any more, but she is more involved in her painting. So what is your favourite Joni art work? I have two I particularly like: the cover art for Turbulent Indigo (Joni as Vincent Van Gogh) and "40 below", an painting of sunrise (or sunset?) over a snow-laden road, presumably from the prairies in Canada. Who's next?>> a note from another girl on the canadian prairie ;-) Me two Hell... Your two choices are spot on.. I love them. The sunrise painting demonstrates what I mean by 'prairie light'. Breath taking, quiet light. I've never felt anything quite like it. Good medicine that. In addition, I love the art work on a certain Crosby Still and Nash album. ;-) On the main page of Joni Mitchell dot com, there are links to some gorgeous most photos OF her. Given that photography is another medium that Joni plays with, I am interested in seeing photos that Joni has created, herself. In one of the videos, there are images of Joni taking photos of her grand babies in a backyard in Toronto, Ontario. what news from the Mendel Gallery concerning Joni? Anyone ? and speaking of fest-ivities....a reminder that registration for Jonifest 2007 is well under way...don't delay, sign up soon! Imagine sitting in on a song circle, or on that creeky old rocking chair out on the porch, when suddenly, the sound of Joni Mitchell rises up. You feel, oh yes you feel your heart gush because you realise, there IS no need to explain. Stand shoulder to shoulder, face to face with your writerly friends from around the world. Isn't that what brought us 'here' in the first place? Mags Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:51:32 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Another year... Hi Robert, Happy Birthday my friend! ...and many happy returns. Also belated thanks much for the great cd's and download. The sound quality on these seems to have come a long way from that old 2nd fret tape. Ya know there are enigmas in this life and ranking up there with my 'only 3 of us from those days and all from the cellar' broken-record-rant is this: How in the hell, with all these concert and coffeehouse recordings we have from the very same time, do we NOT have any recording of Moon In The Mirror. Bob, I swear it was the top requested song after Circle Game and Urge For Going! It's just so strange that we have multiple recordings of songs like Dr. Junk, London Bridge and Drummer Man, songs that I hardly recall her performing, if she ever did, and yet I know for a fact personally that she performed MITM every single time she performed at the Cellar, 1/1-2 months from early '66 to late '67. o well, I guess these are just mysteries I have to live with but it still doesn't make sense. Pls let me know if you ever run across it, ok? tanx. Again, thanks for the music. Take Care, Pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:06:45 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: poverty. . now schools, njc Students in NY have to attend 180 school school days. . for most teachers this translates into 14 weeks off a year. (this is 10 weeks of summer and the christmas and february and spring breaks, etc.) I teach 8th through 12 grade. Starting salary in NY for teachers is around $35,000. the retirement is good in NY. After 5 years of teaching the teacher must have a masters degree. It is a NY requirement. Marianne Subject: RE: poverty njc She's an elementary teacher, right? A major difference between primary and secondary teacher qualifications and demands. In order to retain her National Board Certification, my wife has to take a certain number of training days each summer - believe me, she doesn't get any 16 weeks off. There are only 8 weeks between the end of the school year and the beginning of the new one. And keep in mind that many cities now have year-round school. Add to that the hours at night that she spends grading papers, preparing tests, lesson plans, parent conferences, staff meetings, etc. and it's not the cupcake job you're making it out to be. I agree that the problems facing public schools are many, and that merely throwing money at it won't solve all of them. _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Searchsay hello! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:08:25 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: schools, cupcakes, njc >Add to that the hours at night that she spends grading papers, preparing >tests, lesson plans, parent conferences, staff meetings, etc. and it's not >the cupcake job you're making it out to be. it is certainly no cupcake _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:02:26 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni art work A question from Hell: So what is your favourite Joni art work? Hell that's a good question! I am particularly fond of the landscapes from 2002 with Travelogue. I really love the one where the sun is coming through the trees and the person is walking with the dog-like figure in the Fall. I love the way the yellow and orange are at the center of the painting and the location of the white sun. I also really get into the 1995 painting, "In the Park of the Golden Buddha." The perspective is fascinating and draws me in. I wish there were lithographs of these. Windows they would be to me if I could look at them on a wall. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:29:07 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Hell about Joni's art My favourite piece is Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance and Decline) it's the cover to the Mingus album. So rich and expressive, I have the poster version of it on my wall at home above my bed... Also After The Bombing Of Dresden is another favourite.... it's Donald reading the papers in the morning. Very brown. Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 22/09/06, mags h wrote: > Hell in New Zealand introduced a wonderful subject which I'm jumping 'en bard' with: > > << let me suggest aJoni-related subject for discussion: Joni isn't writing > music any more, but she is more involved in her painting. > So what is your favourite Joni art work? I have two I > particularly like: the cover art for Turbulent Indigo (Joni > as Vincent Van Gogh) and "40 below", an painting of sunrise > (or sunset?) over a snow-laden road, presumably from the > prairies in Canada. > > Who's next?>> > > a note from another girl on the canadian prairie ;-) > > Me two Hell... Your two choices are spot on.. I love them. The sunrise painting demonstrates what I mean by 'prairie light'. Breath taking, quiet light. I've never felt anything quite like it. Good medicine that. > > In addition, I love the art work on a certain Crosby Still and Nash album. ;-) > > On the main page of Joni Mitchell dot com, there are links to some gorgeous most photos OF her. Given that photography is another medium that Joni plays with, I am interested in seeing photos that Joni has created, herself. In one of the videos, there are images of Joni taking photos of her grand babies in a backyard in Toronto, Ontario. > > what news from the Mendel Gallery concerning Joni? Anyone ? > > and speaking of fest-ivities....a reminder that registration for Jonifest 2007 is well under way...don't delay, sign up soon! Imagine sitting in on a song circle, or on that creeky old rocking chair out on the porch, when suddenly, the sound of Joni Mitchell rises up. You feel, oh yes you feel your heart gush because you realise, there IS no need to explain. Stand shoulder to shoulder, face to face with your writerly friends from around the world. Isn't that what brought us 'here' in the first place? > > Mags > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:42:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another year... There just ain't no justice, I tell ya! As you know, I love these early songs - each and every one is a Holy Grail to me. Hopefully someday more of them will surface. There are still quite a few that I've not heard. 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Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:47:06 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: poverty. . now schools, njc Did you take into account your personal...sick and if any teacher wanted to attend a political rally days? ;-) Bree >for most teachers this translates into >14 weeks off a year. >(this is 10 weeks of summer and the christmas and february and spring >breaks, etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:08:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: teaching njc Not sure about the second career notion of years past... I can recall at least three of my teachers who were not married when I was in grade school... I have my teaching credential but opted for another path... the pay, especially in the beginning, is very low... around here you have an advantage if you are bilingual... the hours long.... yes some of the summers are off but most teachers are in the classroom getting ready for the new year weeks before school starts... getting there at least an hour earlier than the kids, staying late into the evening often for teacher parent conferences, taking homework home to grade at night... many schools are very understaffed... when student teaching I was amazed at how little support the classroom teacher had sometimes... if you have to go to the restroom & you have a classroom full of kids & no assistance well you can't leave... many teachers were purchasing basic supplies for their classroom out of their own pockets because there was no budget for the simplest of things... I've been working for years to raise money to keep music in our public schools which is a whole nuther subject... instruments are essential to learning music & they are expensive for many families... each district is different of course, depending on the economics... my son was able to attend a very well funded elementary school because I rented a home in the district ... the sizable property taxes allowed for high teacher salaries (relatively speaking) & small classes (the more teachers you have the more teachers per student you can afford), a full time art teacher, full time music teacher, etc etc... when I was a student teacher I had the opportunity to work in a very well funded school & one that wasn't... the differences were huge... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:16:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: goosebumps njc >Goosebumps are hard to come by. I must say that the only experiences I've had with them in the last couple of years have been Susana Baca and Sonya Kitchell.< Graham nash & Jackson browne singing crow on the cradle acapella many moons ago... I'm sure there are more but that is what comes to mind right now... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:32:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: discussions politics or no njc Well I like the political discussions here... I'm on digest so just scroll past the ones that are more attitude than information... I'll tell you why I like these types of discussions... & often I learn something from someone's point of view that I might not have normally learned! Imagine that! For example- I remember years ago, when the iraq war was starting to take shape, that Brenda mentioned an article she had read in a military magazine & mentioned something about a group of conservatives that had long had iraq in their scope... I went googling & ran across the pnac documents... I'd never heard of this group before & it was months before this motivation became more of a discussion among the more liberal media... at least that I was aware of... brenda forgive me if some of the details are off in my remembrance of this but this is how I recall it It seems that joni is quite outspoken politically so it would be strange not to allow these discussions... I can understand how people in other countries tire of usa but on the other hand, isn't the usa pretty much affecting the entire world with its political decisions? Wars, environment, etc... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:12:38 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, affection & respect, a little passion, & politics Our Marianne (who I believe teaches art to 8th and 10th graders this year) wrote: Hi everyone, I enjoy very much reading everyones' posts about politics on the list. I just don't like it when people are at all mean about it. After all, behind the "politics" are the circumstances that affect our every day living.. . . these issues affect our lives and other's lives. . our very beings, our very planet. . how can we NOT talk about it? I, for one, do NOt prefer to go to another list to talk about things. . I am very happy with this list, yeah. . it has been bugging me lately. . sure. but I think (as has been said) . . it is so very easy to delete. . delete as easy as pie thank you for all your patience. I love this list. Marianne - -------------- My sentiments exactly. This list. It's like home. Where else could I release all the JMOCDed spirit that's inside of me? And learn more and more and more about Joni? We're all looking for affection and respect, a little passion. That's what I think. Oh, and heart and humour and humility, too. And the Joni-ness, of course. That is what unites us, and it's a beautiful thing. Stardust. Golden. The Garden! But when people start pointing bony fingers at one other saying "I don't like you" it sends me running like a you-know-what for the hills. Who needs the static? It hurts the head, and the heart. Politics is ugly business. But as Marianne said, "After all, behind the "politics" are the circumstances that affect our every day living.. . . these issues affect our lives and other's lives. ." Yes. Like when I heard Cindy Sheehan her wearily repeat: "It's not about politics. It's about life and death." Applause, applause, Cindy. Life is our cause! I know, Cindy's not perfect. Who is? (Oh, merde. I probably should not have brought her into this post....she rubs some people the wrong way. Sorry. I just like how she continues to speak out in her search for peace "that don't seem to cease.") Yes, politics is ugly business. I know. I'm in the thick of it here in CT, working for anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. I've been working the phone banks and I HATE IT! I am senstive, and it's hard to have people yelling at me or telling me not to bother them. But the campaign experts say these calls, in the long run, help. So I help as often as good fortune allows, and try to steel myself. (TIC! Cold blue steel and sweet fire!) Is Mr. Lamont perfect? Of course not. Is he inexperienced? Yes. Is he an unknown entity? Pretty much. Is he against the war? Absolutely. No one has a perfect plan for the horrible mess this world is in, but I am sticking with him because I believe in the old adage "Where there's a will, there's a way." Anyway, to alleviate the static, I proffer this. It's a poster I had on my wall in college. I can still picture it next to my black and white Joni Mitchell poster (that now has aged yellow tape marks on it, but that kind of adds to its preciousness) and the "war is not healthy for children and other living things" poster (I had the day-glo version....all hot pinks and oranges and neon greens and yellows). Anyway, I'm sure you all remember it, and I apologize if it's too cheesy for some (ha! but what do you expect from the cheese who stands alone....LOL): Voila: Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. - -- Max Ehrmann ************** Bon weekend, tout le Joni monde! Love, Patti P. NPIMH: Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:45:28 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC *THE* Toy for this Christmas Parents will be scrambling for this toy just released from Fishser- Price. Hell, I'd like to get one. Maybe they have a tickle-me-Smurph doll too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCmAD-z7-mA&eurl= Happy Weekend! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:05:17 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Poverty etc. long and rambling ,NJC I have been lurking again, and saw some of the mails, not all, about poverty. It is not uncommon for people to deny it exists, but then the majority of us live in a world that has fast food, cars, cheap this, easy terms that, fast forward, get it now, have the tee shirt, read the book, go on the ersatz facsimile holiday to exotic places and never go outside the hotel. So of course poverty is just is not there is it? thank heavens for the tourist dollar, buck, yen or pound..its money makes the world go round... isn't it? But is poverty about money? I think not... What about the rich people who have a poverty of soul, no real friends, all the trappings, all the toys but nothing real, warm, loving, wholesome, that is one poverty. What about the people who are trained for war and get to kill and are robbed of their ability to sleep, or live without the trauma of war....that is another poverty, What of children who are abused, and bury what they believe is their "shame" they live impoverished emotional lives, that is a tragic poverty of spirit... Those are the unmeasurables, the hiddens, the can't see it so it does not exist sort of poverties that rip at the fabric of this world. The question has been asked why do kids go off the rails? It's not just the US where this happens, and don't believe the euro statistics about how great kids in Belgium, Holland, Germany, or France or the UK are... There are problems every where. Luckily we tend not to have guns lurking at home, so that raw "kill it, before it kills me" sadness,tends to be reserved for those where guns are legal, or you are an 8 year old kid in the mad armies of some of the African despots... THAT is poverty of the young.... Our world is dying, aspirations are stunted, parents would rather say the state is to blame, when they themselves have no clue about loving kindly, and firmly, and praising their kids when they do well and being kindly firm when they start to stray. Kids with computers in their bedrooms, kids with violent video games, kids brought up on trash telly, adverts, eat this, get thin, eat that to look great, wear this to make others envious of you, kids allowed to grow up with prejudice and hate as a daily diet, learning to hate those who are Black, white, gay, muslim, christian, jew, of a lower caste, of a higher caste, have something that is "OTHER" so therefore to be feared and turned in to a reason to fail..Lets blame the immigrants, lets blame the XYZ of human kind, the wonderful variety of this world...... But what is the problem with "kids"? it is not the teachers, it is not the unions, it is not about that. What in the world are we surprised at? Kids shooting heroin at 10, selling themselves for their next pair of trainers, or a video.. Kids who don't know what family conversation is but they can eat a TV dinner without missing a mouthful, but could not tell you what they ate........ Parents have to be resonsible, shut off the telly, talk to their kids, stop what they are doing and look at what they have done...... Talk, read, be with, walk, hug, share, listen, discuss...... Real wealth is not about money but about small and important daily things that matter to a child. Most of you won't know but I work as a fundraising manager for a young people's homeless charity. Its an amazing thing that so many of them have lived the most awful lives, have no money, no home, no education because.......well for various reasons really.. and the worst self-seteem, the worst judgement about relationships and yet, they do not have an ounce of self-pity. They are keen to change but it can be hard to undo a life that has never offered anything but a "less than" existance.... I am passionate about this today as at work I had the news that one of our ex-clients had hung herself...Save a thought for Marie .. Aldershot, England.... 23, abused sexually and physically as a child, brought up with violence, drugs at 9, sex to buy drugs at 12, in and out of foster care,in and out of remand homes, in and out of prison, in and out of re-hab and de-tox.....But she could still have a great conversation with you about wildlife, her passion for outdoor sports (given the opportunities she was a natural rock climber) In the films from residential trips she was the encourager, the lifter of spirits....And yet...and yet... Always in the fringes of the normal day to day, always hoping something would come and change, always apologetic if she let herself down, soo sooo needy, and yet sooo sooo independent.... When the world seeks and answer to what has gone wrong for some young people, and its a world wide thing, with varying scales of awfulness... it's not the teachers, it is not the unions it is not any one thing, but the headlong rush this world is into to have more and more, to fill the void we are told we have, to be the person you are supposed to be because someone in an office has designed something made by cheap sweatshop labour where the labour market is desperately poor, that can be sold for a huge profit to people who go into debt to get it. Its a cynical world we live in...... Oh there is good by the spadeful, friendship, kinship, internet communities where we can sit and tap our thoughts out to an audience who CAN delete along the dotted line....but for some they cannot hit the delete button, The world of mixed messages and uncertain futures crowds in on them and one way or another they begin to delete themselves... Lets redefine the parameters for poverty... look further than the money, look at the lives people are living........ therein lies the poverty, and what can we do to change it? Forget the personal and look more globally at our world, disdain, comtempt? we should probably reserve it for ourselves and our continuous self gratification.... Sometimes I hate what mankind is becoming and I am trying to find ways to change what I can whilst I can still breathe. I think that is why I choose to work for a charity, I earn my wages by trying to do all I can to help those who are unable to do it themselves. I promise you I can still be a snotty cow if I want to be and, I still drive a car, I still have a good life, I do love my fellow man, I relish the thought of meeting everyone again next March at Full Moon. I love my friends... I think what I am saying is that the world will not change unless mankind does... Lets hope it can happen....... Sorry to have rambled Lucy, who is going to get off her high horse and walk the dog.....and is waiting for Chris Marshall to come to stay... Love and hugs to all who can be arsed to read this, and love and hugs anyway if you can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:14:20 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: BSN > was concerned on Turbulent Indigo and Taming The Tiger as her voice became > lower and lower. At times she was struggling to hit the right notes with > varying results. I am under the impression that when recording an album, flat or scruffy notes can be modified by technology so that they will sound perfect. Is that the case? In which, it makes sense to me that Joni liked the way her voice sounded on the BSN recording -- you know, "imperfect," (arguable, certainly!), which is how in reality the voice's body seems to become as it ages -- and much more true than those modified notes. Now Our Joan, she has never bought into making herself appear "perfect" (has she?) so why should she now? I think she left those "real" notes in there on purpose. And I think they work. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, affection & respect, a little passion, & politics - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Anyway, to alleviate the static, I proffer this. > It's a poster I had on my > wall in college. I can still picture it next to my > black and white Joni > Mitchell poster (that now has aged yellow tape marks > on it, but that kind of > adds to its preciousness) and the "war is not > healthy for children and other > living things" poster (I had the day-glo > version....all hot pinks and > oranges and neon greens and yellows). Anyway, I'm > sure you all remember it, > and I apologize if it's too cheesy for some (ha! > but what do you expect > from the cheese who stands alone....LOL): > > Voila: > > Desiderata > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, > and remember what peace there may be in silence. > As far as possible without surrender > be on good terms with all persons. > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; > and listen to others, > even the dull and the ignorant; > they too have their story. > Chere madame Fromage: I can never hear any part of that without remembering the parody that was done by National Lampoon. It was spoken word over music. I remember it well from the old CHUM-FM when it was a funky radio station. - ----------------------- You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. Deteriorata. Deteriorata. Go placidly amid the noise and waste, And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself, And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys. Know what to kiss, and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, There is always a big future in computer maintenance. Remember The Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, Especially with those persons closest to you - That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls Would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan. And let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken. Take heart in the bedeepening gloom That your dog is finally getting enough cheese. And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot, It could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, The universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore, make peace with your god, Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal, The world continues to deteriorate. Give up! According to this website: http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=424, "the background singer is future pop star Melissa Manchester." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:12:19 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC Brenda, yes I wasn't doubting it did happen. I was asking you if it was appearing that the majority of the list shared that person's sentiments. Because that would be a terrible shame if the list was coming across like that. I thought about replying to the original note but my general rule is to ignore the incendiary stuff. You know if you ignore it, it'll go away. That's what I like to think anyway. Re: Smurf suggesting taking a u.s.-politiks-break. I like that idea. I am a reformed joni-listah political debater myself. Ultimately I stopped because one of the most wonderful things about the list is that it's an international list. And I want it to stay that way. It's been a real positive addition to my life in that sense. Not that I don't appreciate well informed and reasonable/rational responses to political issues (like yours brenda and kay ashley to name a few), but when people start saying 'this is getting old'', a break is always a good idea. Jenny On 9/21/06, Brenda wrote: > > Jenny, > A poster expressed contempt and disdain for another because of their view > of Bush. So yes it did happen. > > I agree that assumptions and intolerance are very lame and having been > subjected to \it lately, I guess I just felt compelled to ask the larger > community what they thought. And even if it's a few, I think that within a > community of people sometimes it is necessary to call those few out when > they are behaving that way. I was surprised that among those having the > political discussion that no one was calling it out. > > Ah well, that's just my view of things. > > Thanks for you reply, > Brenda > > Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > > Brenda, I'm curious, why are you asking that? Is that what appears to be > the case? Good lord I hope not. > > When I read the list I keep in mind that there are a handful of people who > choose to participate in political discussions and an even smaller group of > people who choose to make the discussions personal. I learn pretty quickly > who those people are and use the delete key liberally. Harder to do > that when a person's on digest though I realize. > > Oh and one things for there is always trouble started when people start > making assumptions about and expressing intolerance for another person's > views. lame. lame. lame. But, again I keep in mind that only a few people > do this - they just might be heavy posters currently. > > Jenny > > > On 9/20/06, Brenda wrote: > > > Perhaps, but that wasn't what I was asking. > > B > n.p.: Shooter Jennings - "The Silver Tongued Devil & I" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:21:21 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC Lori wrote: <> Wow, Lori, you nailed it! This is exactly why I do love reading the political posts here! I want to understand why people think as they do. Others have mentioned that views have never (or will never be) changed here, but I never expected they would. I only want to understand! Help me understand!! Life is for learning!! I've learned soooo much stuff here; it's like an expanded version of Meet the Press or the McLaughlin Group. We've got people here representing all sides of an issue, but I would agree with many that the personal attacks and insults are unnecessary, including the subtly hidden ones. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:09:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC Yes....I was thinking about that the other day .. that life is for learning. ...so that is how I approach this list. When Marianne and I got together there were a few people who said things about me to her that they never ever could do that..meaning ...being in a partnership with me because of my politics. (the cruel and hard-hearted Republican) Sure it hurt my feelings..but then I have had a few people say the reverse...how could I be in a relationship with a unthinking liberal. I don't think Marianne or any of you are unthinking...quite the contrary. I don't know..there are times I can react to points of view in a all grown up.. mature manner...then other times...I want to..or my urge is to post a real cheap shot......and say something really... really childish. Hopefully...my adult side wins most of the time. (Marianne's does all the time...except when she says YUCK ....anytime I mention the presidents name) Good and safe weekend to all... Bree >Lori wrote: <and follow their doctrine remain my friends, and I want to understand why >they think as they do.>> > >Wow, Lori, you nailed it! This is exactly why I do love reading the >political posts here! I want to understand why people think as they do. >Others have mentioned that views have never (or will never be) changed >here, but I never expected they would. I only want to understand! Help me >understand!! Life is for learning!! > >I've learned soooo much stuff here; it's like an expanded version of Meet >the Press or the McLaughlin Group. We've got people here representing all >sides of an issue, but I would agree with many that the personal attacks >and insults are unnecessary, including the subtly hidden ones. > >Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:40:19 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Favourite Joni Art Work <> Great topic, Hell. I popped in over at the Joni website just to browse for some titles and was pleasantly surprised by how many pieces are on display over there! I really like the one called "Middle Point" where Joni (or someone else) is sitting on a cliff over a sunset lit river. This one was featured in the WOHAM video with her Mingus music playing in the background. Although the music was written during a different time period, I thought it really played well with painting. I think this is where Joni talks about clearing her head by painting. http://www.jonimitchell.com/artwork/browse.cfm?id=239 "Picnic (After Monet)" is another great one: http://www.jonimitchell.com/artwork/browse.cfm?id=177 I also like "The Delirium Paintings" which apparently Joni painted in 1977 when she was hospitalized for a month - a month?!?! Does anybody here know why Joni was hospitalized for a whole month? http://www.jonimitchell.com/artwork/browse.cfm?id=84 And the "Hissing of Summer Lawns" is just so great, with the big snake getting hauled off to the church, etc.. http://www.jonimitchell.com/artwork/browse.cfm?id=117 Oh, and "Portrait of James Taylor" only because I swear my parents had the same exact bedspread back in the '70's : D http://www.jonimitchell.com/artwork/browse.cfm?id=28 I can't really say I dislike any except for that tongue kissing one between her and (I think) Donald. Yukky! Mia ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #349 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------