From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #346 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 21 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 346 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] BSN/Bush [Nuriel Tobias ] (NJC) Andy Warhol: Tonight and Tomorrow Night on PBS ["Lori Fye" ] Re: discussions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC [Em ] Re: discussions, njc [Em ] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Contempt and disdain NJC [Brenda ] Re: discussions, njc [Brenda ] Re: Pope dope, njc [Brenda ] NJC Re: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! NJC [Bob Muller ] RE: poverty njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Shadows & Light [Brenda ] Re: Electricity - SJC [Brenda ] RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: discussions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re - "What's Next" njc [Nuriel Tobias ] NjC Sarah Harmer show ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: discussions, njc [Brenda ] Re: discussions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] njc, TV alerts: SNL, then Diana Krall, then Ned in my workplace ["Patti ] RE: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Re - "What's Next" njc [Brenda ] Re: discussions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: discussions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: discussions, njc [Brenda ] Re: discussions, njc [Brenda ] njc, touching souls with a student today ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:52:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) And of course the recordings we have of Shawn doing "Conversation" & "Urge For Going" back in the 70's are essential. She's done a handful of others as well, and I'm still dumbfounded that she didn't do a Joni song on her "Covers Girl" album. It's excellent though even without one. 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Andy Warhol was a major influence in art from the early 60s through his death in 1987. Art historian Robert Hughes called him "the greatest colorist of the 20th Century" and others were less flattering. His most famous quote was "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes". He served as a mentor/muse for painters Jean-Michel Basquiat and Julian Schnabel, filmmaker Paul Morrisey, and musicians Lou Reed and John Cale among others. >> Link to more info here: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/warhol_a.html Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: RE : Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) now NJC Joseph's gig are you enjoying your dj-ing? I hope so, Does it make you nervous??? have you subjected your audience to dead air (yet)? Remembering back 15-16 years when I used to occaisionally dj a bit at our community radio station. Some of the most fun I ever had in my life! But it made me nervous...lol...very nervous! so nervous that I think I had adrenalin rushes. Long ago. Hope you are having a blast, Joseph. Wish I were up earlier, so I could try to listen to you via the streaming audio. :) Em - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > Yay, and she is coming to Raleigh too on October 13. Can't miss that. > I played Shawn's "This Must Be The Place" this morning in my early > morning shift. Love the guitar interludes accentuating her voice. > Just like the guitar accents in Joni's "For the Roses" and David > Gray's "Babylon". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:05:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! Happy Birthday Bob....you know how I remember...... Rosie just back from Cocamo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > I just ordered it. I love Shawn, but I have to agree > with Bob that her > last cd was a snoozer. She is a huge Joni fan. I > have a bootleg of her > where she does a tanalizingly short teaser of Night > Ride Home. > I've ordered it too, from amazon.ca, along with a few other things I've wanted for a while - the two most recent Bruce Cockburns, Richard Thompsons' 1000 Years of Popular Music and Jonatha Brooke's live in New York DVD/CD. I found "A whole new you" a bit boring, but it has its moments and it wouldn't deter me from getting her new one anyway. I have some bootlegs of a very young Shawn covering a couple of Joni songs and she sounded very different - in fact, at the time, she sounded a lot like the young Joni. I enjoyed Jonatha Brooke's "Back in the circus". I didn't like it that much at first, but it grew on me, and I prefer it to Shawn's "Whole new you." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:09:30 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC bluejr@adelphia.net wrote: > I hold GWB and the right wing in the greatest amount of contempt and > disdain that is humanly possible. Why on earth would I accord any one of > his apologists anything less? > I wouldn't even put up with it from one of my own family members, let alone > someone else who happens to like the same band/artist as I do. Absolutely > no quarter. > All, Is this sentiment reflective of the majority of this community? Brenda n.p.: Marta Gomez - "The Circle" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:09:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc Brenda wrote: Can this community truly have discussions where different views are welcome, a diversity of thought is given respectful consideration, and ideas are exchanged (even if opinions aren't changed), when this is tolerated? Hi Brenda, It wouldn't be much of a discussion if we didn't dis and cuss sometimes. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC - --- Brenda wrote after JR's advertisement of his intolerance: > All, > > Is this sentiment reflective of the majority of this community? I would venture to say: HELL NO. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: discussions, njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Hi Brenda, > > It wouldn't be much of a discussion if we didn't dis and cuss > sometimes. Hi Laura, dis and cuss is one thing, but hurting people's feelings - seemingly on purpose - what's the purpose of that? it just causes bad vibes, and in my opinion it rots the list. Tears it down, I feel. I guess (because of some people), discussing politics is too much like allowing pitbulls (however sweet-natured normally) to run free at dog parks - its best not done. just my .02. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC Everyone speaks for himself or herself here. Everyone's voice carries equal weight. There are several hundred members of the JMDL and only a small minority participate, so there's no way to know what the majority of the community thinks. It's probably a safe assumption to say, however, that the majority of the community would prefer NO discussion of US politics. Bob NP: Days Of The New, "Whimsical" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:49:31 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Contempt and disdain NJC Bob Muller wrote: > this community? > > > Everyone speaks for himself or herself here. > Everyone's voice carries equal weight. > > There are several hundred members of the JMDL and > only a small minority participate, so there's no > way to know what the majority of the community > thinks. > Of course there is. A majority could choose to respond to my inquiry, even if they don't regularly participate. I see no harm in asking. > It's probably a safe assumption to say, however, > that the majority of the community would prefer > NO discussion of US politics. > Perhaps, but that wasn't what I was asking. B n.p.: Shooter Jennings - "The Silver Tongued Devil & I" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:50:49 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: discussions, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Hi Brenda, > > It wouldn't be much of a discussion if we didn't dis and cuss sometimes. > > > Love, > Laura > Laura, I have no issue with cussing but I do have with dissing because it means to disrespect. I do think a discussion is possible without disrespect. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:53:18 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Pope dope, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Bree wrote: > > "ISLAM....:IS it a religion of > peace or the sword? ( At one time it was a religion of peace.. but has it > been hijacked by not some small faction but a growing movement?)" > > Hi Bree, > > I asked a theology friend for her take on what the pope said and why he > said it, quoted it, etc. and here is her response below. > > Love, > Laura > > > > > "The article I read about this said that the Pope quoted the Koran too. > That may be wrong. Anyway, the truth is that the Koran does have violent > passages in it. It calls for Muslims to kill people they see as unbelievers. It > also calls for the killing of people who turn away from the Islam faith... > > I may be wrong but I think the Pope was calling on the Muslims to > acknowledge the violence so there can be dialogue in truth. For those interested in reading for themselves, you'll find the text of the Pope's lecture here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! NJC But if you remember it for the reason I think you remember it, you know that it's not until Saturday...same as Bruce, Ani, Coltrane, and Ray. Bob NP: Wilco, "Sunken Treasure" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:02:30 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Joni Back on You Tube (?) The ones that Warner has the rights to should be unless she says no. Television performances (like the Johnny Cash Show) may not be if Warner does not have those rights. And if I recall correctly, Sony has the rights to that show. B n.p.: Patty Griffin & Charanga Cakewalk - "Sandinista" Michael Flaherty wrote: > I assume Joni's videos will be included in this deal: > > NEW YORK (Reuters) - Music videos from Madonna, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sean Paul will be legally available for the first time on YouTube, the online video sharing site, which signed its first commercial partnership with Warner Music Group Corp. on Monday. > YouTube, which has over 100 million videos viewed everyday, and Warner Music, the fourth biggest record company, said on Monday the pact would help Warner distribute music videos, behind-the-scenes footage, artist interviews and original programming. > The companies said YouTube users would also be able to incorporate music from Warner's catalog into the videos they create and upload. > Music videos belonging to Warner Music and other record companies are regularly uploaded to YouTube by its users but usually without permission from the labels. > The partnership, which has been in discussions for months, was signed late on Sunday afternoon. It comes just days after Universal Music Group, which is owned by Vivendi, described YouTube and News Corp.'s social networking site MySpace of being "copyright infringers" that owe the music industry "tens of millions of dollars." > The strong language has prompted speculation that a lawsuit is imminent from Universal or some other owner of copyrighted material. > "We've been in discussions with many of the labels, television networks and movies studios," Chad Hurley, YouTube chief executive and co-founder, told Reuters. > YouTube and Warner Music said the deal would enable both parties to generate and share revenue created by advertising, which will be featured around the videos. > Warner Music executive Alex Zubillaga said the deal will start to generate significant revenue for Warner from next year as user volumes grow. > "We're trying to lead through innovation as opposed to litigation," he said. > YouTube said it would use a new advanced content identification and royalty reporting system, set for release by the end of the year, to identify the music videos and help manage payment to the record labels. > Hurley said the proprietary tools YouTube is building will allow Warner Music to manage the licensing of its music and videos remotely. > YouTube said it and Warner Music would share revenue from advertising on both music videos uploaded by the artist and user uploaded videos that incorporate audio and audiovisual works from Warner's catalog. > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:21:24 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: poverty njc Bob..and all.... I want to reply to this...but not quite sure how. Just let me say that..America to me: Is still paradise Although..one could say the south of France is paradise to them. Forgetting about America's great history... as hard ass that is to do ..it's people is what makes it greatness ...the mindset......in my mind anyway. Let's take just your mention of education: "America USE to be held up as world leader in education." I have to ask you...well..who's fault is that we have fallen behind? Who's clutches has education been in the last thirty something years? The teachers union ..one of the biggest union's in this country..have screwed things up big time. But yet they insist on pumping more and more dollars in the system ..a failed ..defective system. They shut down any talk of school vouchers because that would create competition. God knows they no they can't compete...so it's the hue and cry that vouchers are unfair. They absolutely won't let loose of their monopoly!! No matter how much the children suffer....and keeping children ignorant is suffering. The American Federation Of Teachers/democrats seem unfazed to the fact that American school children have fallen way behind. Yet...they want to feed the old tired dinosaur. Yet it is the democrats who constantly whine about how unfair things are...the rich get richer... republicans keep minorities down...those cruel hard-hearted conservatives. But yet many in the minority communities are in favor of school vouchers. So who is keeping whom down? There was study recently comparing Belgium school children to American: Up to about the fourth grade the knowledge the children have are about equal...after testing..results were close as far as knowledge and learning goes. But after the fourth grade things dramatically change...American school children fall off....they take a big dive. Belgium children continue on an upward course. Why? Is it because Belgium's parents are given money/vouchers and can send their child to the school of THEIR choosing? Another little tidbit: At private schools, 80 percent of the personnel are teachers. Public schools: 50 percent of the personnel are actual teachers. (pumping more and more money into schools is not the answer) (those big bad republicans just won't allocate the $$$) In closing...yes..America has lost it's way a bit..but a lot of has nothing to do with the United States policing the world...or being imperialistic. Bree >in >this country are wealthy compared to third world countries population. > > >Bree, to me the scariest thing about this statement is that you seem to be >laboring under the misconception that America is GREAT simply because >we're not the WORST. Of course the poverty in Africa, China, Mexico, South >America and other locales is generally worse than what we experience here >- so what? If you look at the current trends, we are not heading in the >right direction. > >America used to be held up as a world leader in health care, education, >manufacturing, economy, and other categories but no more. Our obsession >with policing the world and merging business, religion and politics has >cost us dearly. And the pattern of pretending that everything's fine >simply because we're not as bad off as the least of the world's population >is a dangerous mindset. > >Then again, denial is always the first stage that one has to work through, >isn't it? > >Bob > >NP: Jubilant Sykes, "God Only Knows" > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:37:17 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Shadows & Light Victor Johnson wrote: > I also noticed Hissing of Summer Lawns is not available either. I'm > not sure about Joni specifically but I know its up to the artist/label > to make each song/album available on itunes. Why there's such a > seemingly random selection I have no idea. The publishing rights have to be agreed as well. Both Shadows & Light and Hissing have a song that Joni did not write alone. There are some publishers who are arguing that the digital services (including iTunes) have not followed the proper procedure for a compulsory license. Further, some artists have decided that they do not want partial albums made available. Joni may be among that group and it could be that she has said that if it's not all of it, then it's none of it. That's what I would guess in terms of an explanation, but it is speculation on my part. > Metallica recently gave in after holding out for years and is now > making their music available for download. On the other hand, you > won't find any John Lennon on i-tunes because of the ongoing dispute > between Apple Records and Apple Computers ( a stupid dispute that is a > senseless waste of time if you ask me...) The dispute between Apple Computers and Apple Corp (the label) was resolved in May. Apple Corp lost and didn't get the payday they were aiming for. In any case, I don't think that's what has kept Lennon or the Beatles material off of iTunes because it hasn't been available through any of the other download services either (Napster, Rhapsody, Yahoo Music, etc.). Apple Corp is presumably holding out for bucks. B n.p.: Willie Nelson - "The Legend" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:43:45 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Electricity - SJC Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > to > remove my videos because they can't find any Joni video...> > > You can tell them that Joni's management has her videos removed. That > would be true. > And if you haven't done so already, maybe you want to delete the ones that > have been up for a month or so. > Why should Danilo remove them? Are the removal requests coming from other YouTube users or from YouTube employees? B n.p.: Rosanne Cash - "Lovin' Him Was Easier" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:02:38 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) I m so excited to be going to see Shawn, as I love her work. And I have never seen her in person. Apparently she is touring with a band, so Nonesuch must be providing good label support. But I also agree that "Whole New You" is disappointing. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:59 PM To: Gerald A. Notaro; Norma Jean Garza Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > I just ordered it. I love Shawn, but I have to agree > with Bob that her > last cd was a snoozer. She is a huge Joni fan. I > have a bootleg of her > where she does a tanalizingly short teaser of Night > Ride Home. > I've ordered it too, from amazon.ca, along with a few other things I've wanted for a while - the two most recent Bruce Cockburns, Richard Thompsons' 1000 Years of Popular Music and Jonatha Brooke's live in New York DVD/CD. I found "A whole new you" a bit boring, but it has its moments and it wouldn't deter me from getting her new one anyway. I have some bootlegs of a very young Shawn covering a couple of Joni songs and she sounded very different - in fact, at the time, she sounded a lot like the young Joni. I enjoyed Jonatha Brooke's "Back in the circus". I didn't like it that much at first, but it grew on me, and I prefer it to Shawn's "Whole new you." Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:46 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Electricity... YouTube - njc Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I read an interesting article today in the latest Rolling Stone about how > new artists are using videos again to promote themselves, like in the > early 80's days of MTV but instead of high-budget videos for TV they're > making videos for YouTube and other internet video outlets. > > Has anyone seen the OK Go video where they use the treadmills in their > choreography? Brilliant. > In recent years it hasn't ceased to amaze me how late and out of touch Rolling Stone is. More artists started making low budget videos after Spike Jonze made the $800 video for Fatboy Slim's "Praise You" in 1998 and when the technology costs dropped to modest levels. While videos haven't played the same role in breaking rock bands-which may be why videos had dropped off RS's radar-country, R&B and hip hop artists never stopped making them. In fact there have been underground and regional artists who have been producing and selling their own DVD's for some time now. The OK Go story is ancient history in Internet time. I think the compelling story in the "what's next" category is going to be about to a musical artist whose work is primarily visual, with the audio only release as the derivative instead of the other way around. B n.p.: Rodney Crowell - "Come Sundown" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:20:47 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 5:51:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: I have no issue with cussing but I do have with dissing because it means to disrespect. I do think a discussion is possible without disrespect. Hmmmmm. Let's discuss this a little more damn it. I understand where you are fucking coming from. Definitely piss ass "possible." In my possibly disrespectful opinion though, respect (which would be required if disrespect is to be avoided) is not necessary to make a discussion valuable to this list. If we are talking about pleasantries in the value equation, than Oprah might be a better option... _www.OWDL.com_ (http://www.OWDL.com) . Oh Well Don't Laugh at me even if you are laughing inside thinking I really should be on, Jerry Springer, instead of Oprah. Shit, if the definition of respect is: 1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem. 2. To avoid violation of or interference with: respect the speed limit. 3. To relate or refer to; concern. then number three is out when there is no relating possible and concern in relation to the topic would be insanity if one was to consistently hold a particular position. Reference would be in the negative since it would be about an opposing view. I suppose it could be chocolate coated shit though. Then at first look in our discussions you would never know what you get because the outside wouldn't match the inside. Two... well hell. Sometimes when one speaks freely to others about a particular topic, it's gonna seem like nothing short of verbal rape depending on the position of those discussing. So two won't fly either. But who am I to speak since I have a history of speeding. Number one tickles me. Feeeeel it man? When there is not favorable regard for what a person says or believes, feelings follow and with them more likely steam than esteem. Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon might be the kindest thing to offer, but where will you send them up up yours and away... in the sky Lord in the sky? The part of number one that refers to a "show" falls because it goes right back to the chocolate coated shit. Or it might be more like eating vomit... and doing that is too much for most and even almost impossible for the best because it just spews out again and again and again because it is supposed to be shit out not eaten. In my experience, being disrespected and disrespecting doesn't have to be a bad thing on this list or anywhere else for that matter. It might even be a good thing, a sign that one is making their point. It might seem disrespectful to ask, "what would Jesus bomb." But the phrase carries with it more meaning than if it was respectful... same for what the Pope quoted. If you have a different definition of respect. I'm all ears. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re - "What's Next" njc Brenda wrote: "I think the compelling story in the "what's next" category is going to be about to a musical artist whose work is primarily visual, with the audio only release as the derivative instead of the other way around." Hi Brendooshka, Not exactly what you were talking about, but - A new release on, yep, the same o' Beggars office, titled "Plague Songs" - featuring Klashnekoff, King Creosote, Stephin Merritt, Brian Eno & Robert Wyatt, Laurie Anderson, Cody ChesnuTT, The Tiger Lillies, Imogen Heap, Scott Walker and Rufus Wainwright, is coming soon. If you check out the link - you'll see that this album is a part of something that's much bigger and very-very unique (if i could go there i would, and who knows, maybe we will after all) Maybe list members in the UK will find it interesting too...It's too hard to explain what such a complex event is all about, i'm not even sure that i understand!:) http://www.themargateexodus.org.uk/home.php Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:42:53 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NjC Sarah Harmer show Any Sarah Harmer fans out there ? I caught her show last night here in Quebec. She's touring without a drum kit - interesting, The band consisited of back-up vocals, clarinet, acoustic base, second lead guitar and some keyboards. She gave us a very intimate, laid back show, with lots of audience patter and anecdotes. She's very gentle and mellow on stage - like her voice - no star trip here. Highlights for me were her solo acoustic numbers, a buesy take on the torch classic, Black Coffee, and an alt cover of Dolly Parton's Will He Be Waiting For Me. She played many tunes from both her latest release, I Am a Mountain (which has a bluegrassy feel) as well as All of Our Names. She threw in a few French songs as crowd pleasers, and gave us two encores. Two hours straight, no intermission. A very sweet evening was had by all - highly recommended. Michael in Quebec NP - Sarah Harmer - Silver Road _________________________________________________________________ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:46:53 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: discussions, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/20/2006 5:51:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, > music@soulstreet.net writes: > > I have no issue with cussing but I do have with dissing because > it means to disrespect. I do think a discussion is possible without > disrespect. > > > Hmmmmm. Let's discuss this a little more damn it. I understand > where you are fucking coming from. Definitely piss ass "possible." > > In my possibly disrespectful opinion though, respect (which would be > required if disrespect is to be avoided) Why? There is no neutral position between respect and disrespect? B n.p.: Black Sheep - "The Choice Is Yours" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:54:51 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 8:47:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: _LCStanley7@aol.com_ (mailto:LCStanley7@aol.com) wrote: In a message dated 9/20/2006 5:51:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, _music@soulstreet.net_ (mailto:music@soulstreet.net) writes: I have no issue with cussing but I do have with dissing because it means to disrespect. I do think a discussion is possible without disrespect. Hmmmmm. Let's discuss this a little more damn it. I understand where you are fucking coming from. Definitely piss ass "possible." In my possibly disrespectful opinion though, respect (which would be required if disrespect is to be avoided) Why? There is no neutral position between respect and disrespect? B n.p.: Black Sheep - "The Choice Is Yours" Hi B, So, does this mean your goal in discussing anything is to find a neutral position? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:02:21 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, TV alerts: SNL, then Diana Krall, then Ned in my workplace Bon soir, Joniami(e)s: I'm too tired to be writing after such a hard day's night, but I feel it is my jmdl duty to inform you of some interesting TV viewing tonight. Right now (9:40 p.m. Eastern Standard Time), on the E! channel, is "101 Most Unforgettable SNL Moments". I only tuned in a few minutes ago and they were on moment #29, so I missed most of it. In any case of you, maybe you Americans on the west coast can catch it. And Diana Krall is going to be on Letterman. Love, Patti P., exhausted after organizing a Ned Lamont "Meet and Greet" on campus today...the room I got last minute (they gave me no advance notice!) was too small, which I knew it would be but it was all I could get (everyone complaining....sheesh! I do my best and I do good business but you can't please 'em all)....but it turned out great because everyone went spilling out into the streets and the front steps of our building, which actually drew more people. It was so uplifting! Hope springs eternal. And I got to meet Ned and he thanked me, very sincerely. Looked me right in the eyes. I believe he is a good man. Okay, I'm going to go get some laughs from the SNL special....bons reves, tout le Joni monde! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:04:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! Bobs Birthday? Many, many happy returns, youngster! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of RoseMJoy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:05 PM To: joni@smoe.org; scjoniguy@yahoo.com Subject: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! Happy Birthday Bob....you know how I remember...... Rosie just back from Cocamo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:05:34 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! NJC Sorry to jump the gun. I'll mark my calendar. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:56 PM To: RoseMJoy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Re: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! NJC But if you remember it for the reason I think you remember it, you know that it's not until Saturday...same as Bruce, Ani, Coltrane, and Ray. Bob NP: Wilco, "Sunken Treasure" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:24:38 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: discussions, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Hi B, > > So, does this mean your goal in discussing anything is to find a > neutral position? No. For me this is about the treatment of others, not the content of positions. I think that there is a neutral place between respect and disrespect and that disrespect needn't play a part in discussions. Unless, of course, that's what people want or will tolerate and I've merely asking if that is the case with this community. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:42:55 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Re - "What's Next" njc Cody ChesnuTT! How did they manage that? It definitely looks interesting and I find the multimedia, multiple format concept intriguing. I hope they use Google Video or YouTube for distribution of the film outside of the U.K. And Nuri, I'm sure that extra preposition I have in there doesn't help. Thanks for this, Brendooshka Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Brenda wrote: "I think the compelling story in the "what's next" category is going to be about to a musical artist whose work is primarily visual, with the audio only > release as the derivative instead of the other way around." > > > Hi Brendooshka, > > Not exactly what you were talking about, but - > > A new release on, yep, the same o' Beggars office, titled "Plague Songs" - featuring Klashnekoff, King Creosote, Stephin Merritt, Brian Eno & Robert Wyatt, Laurie Anderson, Cody ChesnuTT, The Tiger Lillies, Imogen Heap, Scott Walker and Rufus Wainwright, is coming soon. > > If you check out the link - you'll see that this album is a part of something that's much bigger and very-very unique (if i could go there i would, and who knows, maybe we will after all) > > Maybe list members in the UK will find it interesting too...It's too hard to explain what such a complex event is all about, i'm not even sure that i understand!:) > > http://www.themargateexodus.org.uk/home.php > > Nuri > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:55:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 9:24:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: No. For me this is about the treatment of others, not the content of positions. I think that there is a neutral place between respect and disrespect and that disrespect needn't play a part in discussions. Unless, of course, that's what people want or will tolerate and I've merely asking if that is the case with this community. Hi Brenda, What I've found on the JMDL is that we speak our minds rather freely... sort of like Joni. If people take things too personally, they end up not getting the njc posts, or they leave the whole list. Most of us don't intend to run anybody off. There's a place for everybody here. Shortly after I joined the list, a jonifest was being planned, and people started talking about an "inner circle" that I for sure wasn't a part of. I don't like exclusion, and I didn't think a community that excluded others was for me. But, it was a joke; there really wasn't an inner circle, and it makes me laugh now when I think about it... I remember Lori suggesting something like mellow out and chant, "there is no inner circle..." It worked for me! LOL Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:01:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 9:07:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: Laura, I don't need more sex toys! You're trying to get me in trouble... LOLLLL I had no idea that was a real website. Now people are going to think I'm really a questionable character! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:07:07 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: discussions, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Brenda, > > What I've found on the JMDL is that we speak our minds rather > freely... sort of like Joni. If people take things too personally, > they end up not getting the njc posts, or they leave the whole list. > Most of us don't intend to run anybody off. There's a place for > everybody here. > > Shortly after I joined the list, a jonifest was being planned, and > people started talking about an "inner circle" that I for sure wasn't > a part of. I don't like exclusion, and I didn't think a community > that excluded others was for me. But, it was a joke; there really > wasn't an inner circle, and it makes me laugh now when I think about > it... I remember Lori suggesting something like mellow out and chant, > "there is no inner circle..." It worked for me! LOL Laura, Thank you for your reply and for the exchange. I'm not new to the list; I've just recently rejoined after an extended absence. I completely understand speaking one's mind freely as I certainly don't hold back from doing it myself. I simply believe that it is possible to be free in speaking one's mind and make one's point clearly understood without disrespect. 'Nuff said. Have a good one, B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:09:31 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: discussions, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > If we are talking about pleasantries in the value equation, than Oprah > might be a better option... www.OWDL.com . And Laura, the next time you employ this link you may want to include an age requirement or warning... something. ;-) B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:22:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, touching souls with a student today Merde! I spent too long writing my last post and missed the rest of the SNL show. So I'm back, with a little Joni-related story. A student came to my office after the Lamont rally, having missed it, very disappointed that it ended earlier than expected. It was Kody, the student I met and bonded with at the Cindy Sheehan talk back in December. He and I had taken pictures of each other with Cindy. (Smurf: I think I sent them to you, no?) I haven't seen him since. So, we talked and talked in my office for over an hour. He is a political science/history major, and he taught me a lot in our time together. He gave me a short reading list. (Life is for learning, and I have a lot to learn. "Don't know much about history...") At the end of the conversation (he came for conversation!) he said something very wise. He told me that in everything, there is a loss, and a gain. So of course I said (toujours JMOCDed): "Wow. You are so wise for your years. Do you know Joni Mitchell? I am a total Joni Mitchell nut!" Kody (smiling): "Well, I've heard of her. And I see your magnet there (thanks again to Patti Witten!): WWJD." Me: "Yeah, well, what you just said reminds me of something Joni said, that is also very wise. "Well something's lost, but something's gained in living every day." Kody: "That's so true. That's what I mean. I may have missed out on seeing Ned Lamont today, but I got to spend over an hour talking to you." Awwww! This kid touched my soul today. Love and peace, Patti P. NPIMH: CSNY, "Carry on, love is coming, love is coming to us all...." Ya gotta believe! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:33:41 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 10:07:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: I simply believe that it is possible to be free in speaking one's mind and make one's point clearly understood without disrespect. Sure. Either or for me. And welcome back! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:36:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: discussions, njc In a message dated 9/20/2006 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: And Laura, the next time you employ this link you may want to include an age requirement or warning... something. Next time I make up a web site I'll try to remember to tack njc-18 out of respect for you Brenda. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:43:50 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: M. Ward on All Songs Considered - njc For the M. Ward fans, he was guest DJ on the latest edition of All Songs Considered. It's a brief but revealing conversation about his influences and collaborators: http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/ B n.p.: ANTM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #346 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------