From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #345 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 20 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 345 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc, here's one for ol' Catherine [Victor Johnson ] JC on the wane [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Brainy Joni Quotes [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Pope dope, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] new music (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Archive of Joni Photos [Jerry Notaro ] RE: poverty njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Brainy Joni Quotes [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, here's one for ol' Catherine [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bush At War. NJC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Joni and the GLBT crowd [Benedicte Nielsen ] RE: Joni and the GLBT crowd [Benedicte Nielsen ] Aaron Neville! (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Bush At War. NJC [Em ] RE: poverty njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: starving people, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Hunger In America njc [Jerry Notaro ] Brainy Joni Quotes ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Aaron Neville! (njc) [Em ] Re: Hunger In America njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Bush At War...brainwashed NJC [Brenda ] Re: Bush At War...brainwashed NJC ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] RE: Joni and the GLBT crowd [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] NJC Bush's accolades ??? [Andeemac2006 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:21:34 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc, here's one for ol' Catherine From Bart the Genuis- Teacher: So y = r cubed over 3. And if you determine the rate of change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. [The class laughs except for Bart who appears confused.] Teacher: Don't you get it, Bart? Derivative dy = 3 r squared dr over 3, or r squared dr, or r dr r. Victor, proving there's Simpsons quote for every occasion On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:33 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Smurf wrote: > >> >> >> --- Catherine wrote: >> >> >>> My, my. You have been gay for a looooonnnngg time, >>> haven't you, sugah? >> >> >> Honey, I've been gay since you were about 6 weeks >> old! >> >> XO, >> >> --Smurf >> > > Har di har har har! > > Catherine > Toronto > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:35:21 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: poverty njc My friend, Holley (who Kate's met) moved to Augusta recently and is living on Telfair Street downtown. Let's just say there are quite a few houses on that street that are in a state of disrepair and she has had to do a lot of work on her own house to make it habitable. Anyway, one night she told me she heard a couple of homeless people outside walking down the street and one of them said , "Alright, I'm going up. I'm hunnnnngry", and started to walk up as if she was going to go in the house and her friend told her to stop and said she was acting crazy, that there are people in that house. She also told me there's a man who rides his bike down the street and barks like a chihuahua. When I ran sound during the '96 Olympics, we had a large stage set up at Woodruff Park and everyday, I would lug out the heavy sound equipment and set it up for the day's performance. Anyhow, I would usually turn on the sound and put some music on beforehand just to tweak levels, etc...I think one day it was DSOTM which was kind of cool, blasting across the park. But getting to the point, as soon as things started to get going, a dozen or so people would come out from underneath the stage, where they had been sleeping for the night, as if it was some kind of hotel. Poverty exists on all levels it seems. Victor On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:06 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > I agree, at times it is relative, sometimes it is not. You asked > if there > was poverty in this country. There is. You asked if anyone had met a > starving person in this country. I have. Since they are no longer > alive I > guess it all leads to the same horrible place. I do understand > that there > are countries where the majority of people are in extreme poverty. > That > does not negate the fact that right here in this country there are > some/many > who are in extreme poverty. Within this huge affluent country > there are > pockets of third world reality. That was my point. > >> Actually..Kate...you made my point. I'm sorry...but the poorest >> people > in > this country are wealthy compared to thirld world countries > population. > AND I'm not saying not to keep these programs in place...because I > know > there are people who truly need them.< ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:55:17 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: JC on the wane Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:43:36 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: JC on the wane (a few embedded Joni-questions!) Hi Bene. Back when I thought I was the only person on Earth who was into Joni, I often wondered why more gay people weren't into her songs. Since joining this list, I realise how misguided I was. For the past I dont know how many years I ahve wondered why I she has remained so unknown to many people when those who know her are so devoted... Of course, I can't speak for any other gay people but the reason I think gay men are rapt in her songs is because many tend to be deep thinkers. They are also very aware of the political inequities that go in the world, having been victims of it. The idea of being pidgeonholed is a consequence that has occurred to Joni and many gay men and women can relate to that. Obviously there are many people who approach Joni's songs from a musical appreciation, both gay and straight but, I believe many gay people are very in touch with the complexities of human relationships and feel the anger of injustice to the average person deeply. As I said, I can't speak for all gay people but, this is what touches me about Joni's songs. It is her thought processes. She states so eloquently much of what I feel. To feel is to be alive. Mark in Sydney (gay capital of the world) ................... Thanks! I suppose it makes sense... I can see the point about injustice etc. But at the same time, what you say sounds fairly universal. I mean, 'you state very eloquently' how she affects me too, and I am fairly straight. But still, maybe it makes sense. It's funny you should say many g&l people are deep thinkers, when you think of all the superficiality on the scene. But I think you are right (not that the rest of us are just supershallow though!) I don't know..! Oh and thanks for the message about Bridie. I looked up his website, but it loaded so slowly it wasn't much good, he sounded god though! Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:41:15 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Brainy Joni Quotes On Sep 19 2006, Patti Parlette wrote: >Welcome Benedicte! It's a pleasure to meet you! > Well likewise, I am very fond of this mailing list already! > You are shining as you reel us back in to Joni talk. (I am borrowing > words from "Harry's House"....I do that a lot. I can't help myself. It's > called JMOCD, or Joni Tourette's. It comes from listening to Joni from > the beginning....her first album came out when I was in 9th grade and she > has been with me ever since.) ONe of my closeest friends from back hom didn't know about JM or me listening to her, strange enough. I made her buy Blue and Hejira, and now all her emails are littered with quotations. Hehe... Please forgive the politics lately. In the > end, it all comes down to Joni. I guess I have to admit that I don't have anything clever to contribute to political discussions; and I aso have to admit that if I ahd been on list at the time of the Mohammad cartoon crisis I guess I'd have been ALL OVER the place with frustrated emails (beause Im danish..). I would have been banned, new netiquette protocols would have to be written...! ... >......Oui, oui -- I thought that was a good one, too. Here it is: > > "You could write a song about some kind of emotional problem you are > having, but it would not be a good song, in my eyes, until it went > through a period of sensitivity to a moment of clarity. Without that > moment of clarity to contribute to the song, it's just complaining." Let it shine....! Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:03:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) And only devoted cultists cared for her last effort "A Whole New You". I thought it was about as bland as drinking coffee at room temp. Like Jonatha Brooke did with her last album, this one was SO bad that she made me think twice and three times before I choose to get any more new stuff. Haven't heard Shawn's new one but what I've read so far has been favorable. Now if I could only get the image of her in that goofy Carnegie Hall dress out of my head... Bob NP: Patrick & Eugene, "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:58:38 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Pope dope, njc Bree wrote: "ISLAM....:IS it a religion of peace or the sword? ( At one time it was a religion of peace.. but has it been hijacked by not some small faction but a growing movement?)" Hi Bree, I asked a theology friend for her take on what the pope said and why he said it, quoted it, etc. and here is her response below. Love, Laura "The article I read about this said that the Pope quoted the Koran too. That may be wrong. Anyway, the truth is that the Koran does have violent passages in it. It calls for Muslims to kill people they see as unbelievers. It also calls for the killing of people who turn away from the Islam faith... I may be wrong but I think the Pope was calling on the Muslims to acknowledge the violence so there can be dialogue in truth. To dialogue in untruth is not ever going to lead to peace. The Muslim community may have welcomed the Jews at one point, but they have a long history of attacking Jews too. You can read any history of Israel and see the hatred the Muslims have for Jews. I have recently read histories by both Jews and Arabs of the rebirth of Israel--and the Arabs come off as violent in both histories. The Muslim community is not tolerant of Christians either. "Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said. Anyone who can call Islam tolerant is ignoring the laws of the Islam countries towards other religions. They are also ignoring what Islam decrees should happen to people to leave the Islam faith... It is impossible to have real dialogue with people who present fiction as fact. The Pope was calling for real dialogue. That is why I think he said what he did." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:02:18 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: new music (njc) Yesterday I picked up Elton John "The Cowboy and the Kid" as well as Aaron Neville singing the classics. Neville dedicated the album to the people along the gulf coast who suffered from hurricane Katrina. I haven't had time to listen to either yet but hope to get a listen in sometime today. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:06:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Archive of Joni Photos The Michael Ochs Archives has a great stash of Joni: http://www.michaelochsarchives.com/frameset.aspx?bwid=371&cdsid=3e21e18c-d9f b-4464-b069-3121eb5d8f95&rcp=37 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:15:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: poverty njc Bree, to me the scariest thing about this statement is that you seem to be laboring under the misconception that America is GREAT simply because we're not the WORST. Of course the poverty in Africa, China, Mexico, South America and other locales is generally worse than what we experience here - - so what? If you look at the current trends, we are not heading in the right direction. America used to be held up as a world leader in health care, education, manufacturing, economy, and other categories but no more. Our obsession with policing the world and merging business, religion and politics has cost us dearly. And the pattern of pretending that everything's fine simply because we're not as bad off as the least of the world's population is a dangerous mindset. Then again, denial is always the first stage that one has to work through, isn't it? Bob NP: Jubilant Sykes, "God Only Knows" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Brainy Joni Quotes - --- Benedicte Nielsen wrote: > I guess I have to admit that I don't have anything > clever to contribute to > political discussions; Neither, it seems, do most of us. I don't think politics is clever at all. That sort'n'delete thing comes in very handy sometimes and that's the up side of getting individual posts. But never mind all that! We could talk about Martha We could talk about landscapes I'm not above gossip But I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake Or we could talk about power About Jesus and Hitler and Howard Hughes Or Charlie Chaplin's movies Or Bergman's nordic blues Please just talk to me Any old theme you choose Just come and talk to me Blame that on Patti. I stole that from Patti the Parlette. Maybe we should skip the power, Jesus and Hitler. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, here's one for ol' Catherine - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > From Bart the Genuis- > > Teacher: So y = r cubed over 3. And if you > determine the rate of > change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be > pleasantly surprised. > [The class laughs except for Bart who appears > confused.] > Teacher: Don't you get it, Bart? Derivative dy = 3 > r squared dr over > 3, or r squared dr, or r dr r. > > > > Victor, proving there's Simpsons quote for every > occasion > I was trying to understand the equation, so I had to read that three times before I got it. I guess I'm in the Bart camp when it comes to calculus - static in the attic! Old, but not dead yet. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:58:00 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Pope dope, njc It is funny how a small religion who lived quite happily side by side for many years with Christians and Jews as they recognised them as religions of the The Book - i.e. from Abraham but sadly not recognised by either the Jews or the Christians at the time... so it was borne of violent times I guess, so the scriptures were sent down in response to that... but these are very different times abd possibly the Koran needs to be re-interpreted... by a woman! Much Peace Jamie Zoob On 20/09/06, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Bree wrote: > > "ISLAM....:IS it a religion of > peace or the sword? ( At one time it was a religion of peace.. but has it > been hijacked by not some small faction but a growing movement?)" > > Hi Bree, > > I asked a theology friend for her take on what the pope said and why he > said it, quoted it, etc. and here is her response below. > > Love, > Laura > > > > > "The article I read about this said that the Pope quoted the Koran too. > That may be wrong. Anyway, the truth is that the Koran does have violent > passages in it. It calls for Muslims to kill people they see as unbelievers. It > also calls for the killing of people who turn away from the Islam faith... > > I may be wrong but I think the Pope was calling on the Muslims to > acknowledge the violence so there can be dialogue in truth. To dialogue in untruth is > not ever going to lead to peace. The Muslim community may have welcomed the > Jews at one point, but they have a long history of attacking Jews too. You > can read any history of Israel and see the hatred the Muslims have for Jews. > I have recently read histories by both Jews and Arabs of the rebirth of > Israel--and the Arabs come off as violent in both histories. The Muslim community > is not tolerant of Christians either. > > "Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages > violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said. Anyone who can call Islam > tolerant is ignoring the laws of the Islam countries towards other religions. > They are also ignoring what Islam decrees should happen to people to leave > the Islam faith... > > It is impossible to have real dialogue with people who present fiction as > fact. The Pope was calling for real dialogue. > > That is why I think he said what he did." > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:23:23 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: Bush At War. NJC >Bree wrote, of George W. Bush: >He won't receive the accolades he should in our lifetime...generations >ahead he will. Mmmmm, that Kool-Aid must be reeeeeeaaal tasty I guess..... - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:27:38 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Joni and the GLBT crowd Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Joni and the GLBT crowd This actually comes up quite frequently. I wrote a long post about it once. While trying to retrieve it I came across this from our very own JoniMitchell library: Behind from where we came Gay & Lesbian Review, by Jaffe Cohen September 2000 Both Sides Now; Joni Mitchell in concert - ---------------------------- Hello Jerry, thanks a lot for posting this, it was _really_ well written and really intersting! That digest was so full of interesting stuff! Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:51:42 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: RE: Joni and the GLBT crowd On Sep 19 2006, patrick leader wrote: > first, to benedicte. welcome! i loved your long post with the embedded > questions. exactly the fresh joni outlook we crave, and can't always come > up with ourselves. i've been on the list a while and sometimes feel i > can't talk about her any more. but only sometimes! Thanks for the welcome, Im still overwhelmed about how nice everyone is here! I can completely understand how noone can talk about JM ALL the time... Thanks for the link, very enjoyable reading. Despite all the responses, I still don't really get it, but what I do get is that the connection between JM and the gay etc crowd is there. > >and thanks jerry for drawing attention to this, which i don't remember >reading before. reminded me of some of the joys of seeing the both sides >tour in 2000, joni free of guitar, with her voice darker and stronger than >on the album, swaying beautifully in odd/wonderful issey miyake getups... >and that wonderful orchestral version of 'both sides now', perhaps the best >thing to have come out of the whole process. > I too really enjoyed reading that. I was wondering what people in general think of the Both Sides Album? When I first got it I only knew Hejira and Dog Eat Dog. I cannot imagine her voice being any darker and stronger than on that album, I was so moved to hear how much the years had added to it. I hear people complaining about her voice being damaged, but then her personality just seems to have deepened so much. You can hear the depth of time, it's a bit like looking back at your own life (no comparison between her and my life though). The guy who wrote the essay complains a little bit about the big band sound; and I guess the intimacy of her vice and the grandeur of the big band are a bit incompatible. However, I asked my friend who is one of the really great jazz drummers in Copenhagen, and his eyes widened when I mentioned the album. He said the harmony between her and the orchestra was... well, something really good. I can't really tell these things, either a band makes an impact on me or it doesn't, I don't know about the technicalities. Ok enough, I feel I am completely swamping the list today! But your emails are very interesting! Best Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:54:56 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Aaron Neville! (njc) I've listened to the first three tracks of the new Aaron Neville cd "Bring it on Home" and they sound killer! Rainy Night in Georgia, Ain't No Sunshine, (Sittin' On)the Dock of the Bay. The band sounds awesome, full, lush, and his voice better than ever. This cd alone shreds any argument that no good music is being created to bits. Victor NP: Sittin' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:57:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) NJC I'm seeing her in Atlanta on October 14th. I'm very fond of the new record, too. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Moon Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:32 PM To: joni list Subject: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) I've read two good reviews of Shawn's latest album, "These Four Walls," one of which cites Joni: Entertainment Weekly, 9/15/06: ". A literate lyricist in the Joni Mitchell tradition, Colvin deserves to be heard by more than devoted cultists this time around." And then I see from her tour schedule she's coming to San Diego 9/25! Whoo-hoo! 'Devoted cultist,' yeah, pretty much sums me up in more ways than one ; ) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:57:04 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Bush At War. NJC >From: "Lori Fye" >Reply-To: "Lori Fye" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bush At War. NJC >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:39:47 -0700 > >I'm trying not to participate in these discussions, I really am ... but ... > >Bree wrote, of George W. Bush: > > > He won't receive the accolades he should in our lifetime...generations >ahead he will. > >I want to laugh out loud, but it's hard for me to laugh and blink my eyes >rapidly at the same time. > >From WHOM will Bush receive these accolades? > >I'm quite sure he will go down as the worst president up to this point in >U.S. history. > >God (or who/whatever's in charge) help us all (the U.S. and the rest of the >world) if anyone worse is ever elected (or appointed, annointed, whatever). > >Lori >Santa Rosa, CA I couldn't agree more Lori... Bush is the worst president imaginable... He makes some other dismal presidents seem pretty good in comparison... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Bush At War. NJC - --- anon anon wrote: > I couldn't agree more Lori... Bush is the worst president > imaginable... > He makes some other dismal presidents seem pretty good in > comparison... yeah its pretty bad when you find yourself feeling affection, in retrospect, for Nixon - especially compared to W. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:40:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: poverty njc Victor's story reminded me of a story that shocked me which I read a couple of months ago in our local paper. (BTW, the area I live is considered one of the wealthiest towns in this country. What many people don't know, unless you live here & maybe even then you don't know unless you want to know, is that there is huge poverty & a large homeless population -the weather is mild & it is easier here to live outdoors- people from all over the country come here because of that). The story was about a sweep the police department made throughout the homeless encampments which are in bushes by the freeway, under bridges, etc (not to arrest people- they gave them all notice- but to clean up the areas of trash etc). These are all within only a couple of feet from where people commute, do their errands, vacation in expensive hotels, go to the beach, etc. Among the debris they found a lot of dead bodies. >But getting to the point, as soon as things started to get going, a dozen or so people would come out from underneath the stage, where they had been sleeping for the night, as if it was some kind of hotel. Poverty exists on all levels it seems. Victor< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:33:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: starving people, njc Bree wrote: I have never met a starving person in this country...have you? Hi Bree, You need to get out more. Come to Arkansas, and we'll tour the Delta. Starvation is starvation regardless of where you live, and we have it here in Arkansas unfortunately. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:12:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Hunger In America njc Key Findings This report presents the result of a study conducted in 2005 for America9s Second Harvest The Nation9s Food Bank Network (A2H), the nation9s largest network of emergency food providers. The study is based on completed in-person interviews with 52,878 clients served by the A2H National Network, as well as on completed questionnaires from 31,342 A2H agencies. The study summarized below focuses mainly on emergency food providers and their clients who are supplied with food and other services by members of the A2H Network. Here, emergency food providers are defined to include food pantries, soup kitchens, and emergency shelters serving short-term residents. It should be recognized that many other types of provider organizations and programs served by food banks are, for the most part, not described in this study. These providers who are not covered included such services as congregate meals for seniors, day care facilities, and after school programs. Key findings are summarized below: HOW MANY CLIENTS RECEIVED EMERGENCY FOOD FROM THE A2H NETWORK OF FOOD BANKS? The A2H system served an estimated 24 to 27 million unduplicated people annually, with a midpoint of 25.3 million. This includes 22 to 25 million pantry users, 1.2 to 1.4 million kitchen users, and 0.8 million shelter users (Table 4.2.1). Approximately 4.5 million different people receive emergency food assistance from the A2H system in any given week (Table 4.2.1). WHO RECEIVES EMERGENCY FOOD ASSISTANCE? A2H Network agencies serve a broad cross-section of households in America. Estimates of key characteristics include: 36.4% of the members of households served by the A2H National Network are children under 18 years old (Table 5.3.2). 8% of the members of households are children age 0 to 5 years (Table 5.3.2). 10% of the members of households are elderly (Table 5.3.2). About 40% of clients are non-Hispanic white; 38% are non-Hispanic black, and the rest are from other racial groups. 17% are Hispanic (Table 5.6.1). 36% of households include at least one employed adult (Table 5.7.1). 68% have incomes below the official federal poverty level (Table 5.8.2.1) during the previous month. 12% are homeless (Table 5.9.1.1). MANY A2H CLIENTS ARE FOOD INSECURE OR ARE EXPERIENCING HUNGER Among all client households served by emergency food programs of the A2H National Network, 70% are estimated to be food insecure, according to the U.S. government9s official food security scale. This includes client households who are food insecure without hunger and those who are food insecure with hunger (Table 6.1.1). 33% of the clients are experiencing hunger (Table 6.1.1). Among households with children, 73% are food insecure and 31% are experiencing hunger (Table 6.1.1). MANY CLIENTS REPORT HAVING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FOOD AND OTHER NECESSITIES 42% of clients served by the A2H National Network report having to choose between paying for food and paying for utilities or heating fuel (Table 6.5.1). 35% had to choose between paying for food and paying their rent or mortgage (Table 6.5.1). 32% had to choose between paying for food and paying for medicine or medical care (Table 6.5.1). DO A2H CLIENTS ALSO RECEIVE FOOD ASSISTANCE FROM THE GOVERNMENT? 35% of client households served by the A2H National Network are receiving Food Stamp Program benefits (Table 7.1.1); however, it is likely that many more are eligible (Table 7.3.2). Among households with children ages 0-3 years, 51% participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) (Table 7.4.1). Among households with school-age children, 62% and 51%, respectively, participate in the federal school lunch and school breakfast programs (Table 7.4.1). MANY A2H CLIENTS ARE IN POOR HEALTH 29% of households served by the A2H National Network report having at least one household member in poor health (Table 8.1.1). MOST CLIENTS ARE SATISFIED WITH THE SERVICES THEY RECEIVE FROM THE AGENCIES OF THE A2H NATIONAL NETWORK 92% of adult clients said they were either 3very satisfied2 or 3somewhat satisfied2 with the amount of food they received from their A2H provider; 93% were satisfied with the quality of the food they received (Table 9.2.1). HOW LARGE IS THE A2H NATIONAL NETWORK? The members of the A2H National Network participating in the study include 43,141 agencies, of which 31,111 provided usable responses to the agency survey. Of the responding agencies, 21,834 had at least one food pantry, soup kitchen, or emergency shelter (Chart 3.5.1). The A2H National Network includes approximately 29,700 food pantries, 5,600 soup kitchens and 4,100 emergency shelters. WHAT KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS OPERATE EMERGENCY FOOD PROGRAMS OF THE A2H NATIONAL NETWORK? 74% of pantries, 65% of kitchens, and 43% of shelters are run by faith-based agencies affiliated with churches, mosques, synagogues, and other religious organizations (Table 10.6.1). At the agency level, 69% of agencies with pantry, kitchen, or shelter and 56% of all agencies including those with other programs are faith-based (Table 10.6.1). Private nonprofit organizations with no religious affiliation make up a large share of other types of agencies (Table 10.6.1). HAVE AGENCIES BEEN EXPERIENCING CHANGES IN THE NEED FOR THEIR SERVICES? 65% of pantries, 61% of kitchens, and 52% of shelters of the A2H National Network reported that there had been an increase since 2001 in the number of clients who come to their emergency food program sites (Table 10.8.1). WHERE DO THESE AGENCIES OBTAIN THEIR FOOD? Food banks are by far the single most important source of food for the agencies, accounting for 74% of the food distributed by pantries, 49% of the food distributed by kitchens, and 42% of the food distributed by shelters (Table 13.1.1). Other important sources of food include religious organizations, government, and direct purchases from wholesalers and retailers (Table 13.1.1). 69% of pantries, 49% of kitchens, and 46% of shelters receive food from government commodity programs (Table 13.1.1). VOLUNTEERS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN THE A2H NETWORK As many as 90% of pantries, 86% of kitchens, and 71% of shelters in the A2H National Network use volunteers (Table 13.2.1). Many programs rely entirely on volunteers; 66% of pantry programs and 40% of kitchens have no paid staff at all (Table 13.2.1). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:16:45 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Brainy Joni Quotes Catherine the Elder (than Smurf) wrote: "We could talk about Martha We could talk about landscapes I'm not above gossip But I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake Or we could talk about power About Jesus and Hitler and Howard Hughes Or Charlie Chaplin's movies Or Bergman's nordic blues Please just talk to me Any old theme you choose Just come and talk to me Blame that on Patti. I stole that from Patti the Parlette." Hey! HEY! Watch it! I can't help my name. What's in a name? Well, in mine, it's "parler", the french verb infinitive of "talk". Je pense, donc je parle (with apologies to Descartes). And this Catherine person. Ha! If she ain't The Real McKay! I wish I could crown and anchor her wit. (From Wikipedia: "The real McCoy" is a phrase used throughout much of the English-speaking world to mean "the real thing" or "the genuine article" e.g. "he's the real McCoy". Its origins, though generally thought to be nineteenth or early twentieth century, are somewhat obscure.) And regarding the obsessive Joni quoting? Just for the Joni record, it was our Oddund from Norway, not me, who started it all with his nordic blues when he asked if anyone here had a problem in love relationships wherein they quoted Joni all the time. ("I well up with affection thinking back down the roads to then.") It was then that I came out of the closet and spread my gorgeous JMOCDed wings. But Oddmund started it! Love, Patti P., une Parlette since 1954 P.S. Catherine again: "Maybe we should skip the power, Jesus and Hitler." Me: Oui, but let's not skip the power and the glory just when you're getting a taste for Joni worship! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Aaron Neville! (njc) yeah but its new music by an old guy...so it doesn't count. KIDDING!!!!!!!!! lol!!!! completely kidding! (believe me. I am sooooo kidding) glad to hear the CD is so good...thinking I may get it from iTunes later on. Or at least a track or 2. Wonder if he's available on eMusic, hmm.... :) Em - --- waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > I've listened to the first three tracks of the new Aaron Neville cd > "Bring it on Home" and they sound killer! Rainy Night in Georgia, > Ain't No Sunshine, (Sittin' On)the Dock of the Bay. > > The band sounds awesome, full, lush, and his voice better than ever. > This cd alone shreds any argument that no good music is being created > to bits. > > Victor > > NP: Sittin' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:09:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Hunger In America njc And if I cover my ears and go LALALALALALALALA, then I can't hear it and we don't have a hunger problem, right? I'm very proud of the fact that my Dad (working with a lawyer friend) started the first Food Bank in NC back in the 70's - it's now grown to be one of the largest Food Bank networks in the US. 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Can this community truly have discussions where different views are welcome, a diversity of thought is given respectful consideration, and ideas are exchanged (even if opinions aren't changed), when this is tolerated? Brenda n.p.: Mos Def - Get By ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:03:26 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: Bush At War...brainwashed NJC Original Message: - ----------------- From: Brenda music@soulstreet.net Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:14:07 -0700 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Bush At War...brainwashed NJC >Is it really necessary to denigrate someone else's ability to reason >simply because their view is different? Can this community truly have >discussions where different views are welcome, a diversity of thought is >given respectful consideration, and ideas are exchanged (even if >opinions aren't changed), when this is tolerated? I hold GWB and the right wing in the greatest amount of contempt and disdain that is humanly possible. Why on earth would I accord any one of his apologists anything less? I wouldn't even put up with it from one of my own family members, let alone someone else who happens to like the same band/artist as I do. Absolutely no quarter. As Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Han Solo (much to Chewbacca's chagrin): "Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) > I've read two good reviews of Shawn's latest album, > "These Four Walls," one > of which cites Joni: Well, now I know which album to purchase next. I've always been an admirer of Shawn Colvyn and her work. I saw her here in San Antonio a few years back when she was very pregnant and sweet with the audience. My sister and I had front row seats. It was after the release of "Fat City," produced by Larry Klein. The one favorite song of mine was "Object Of My Affection," in which Joni gets credit for hand-clapping. But to this day, I can't help seem to hear Joni doing harmony vocals with her at the very end of the song. Shawn had a little question and answer rapport with the audience and naturally I asked her if Joni had contributed more to the song than hand-clapping because it sounds just like Joni....Shawn just smiled and told me it was just her lonesome self singing and kept smiling at me as if she felt telling me a secret. My sister and I looked at each other and smiled away, too. It's nice to smile amongst certain types of women when the subject is Joni because it's so sincere! I applause to all whose love for truth and justice is their life's cause. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:15:13 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) Well, besides the handclaps, she contributes a 'big laugh' at the end. I haven't heard the song, but maybe that's the Joni bit that you're hearing? Bob NP: The Alarm "Absolute Reality" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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As afternoons at work roll around, I often end up drinking the coffee that's been on my desk all morning. I thought it was just a hazard of being a secretary/bookkeeper type (my mom, who did the same kind of work, drank day-old coffee too), but maybe it's allegorical ... ; ) I'm looking forward to hearing "These Four Walls." Anything that includes Patty Griffin has to be good, imo. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:35:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni and the GLBT crowd In general, I was very disappointed in it, and 6 years later it doesn't fall on my ears any easier. I found the arrangements heavy and schmaltzy, and though I didn't complain about Joni's "smoky" voice as much as some, I don't feel like she was really playing to her strengths on this project. It remains my least favorite of her albums. Otoh, she really enjoyed the project, it kept her in the game a little longer, and it inspired her to follow through with Travelogue, which was more creative in terms of its arrangements but ultimately was also disappointing to me. What I REALLY resented about BSN was the marketing; the first release to come out (the one that we rabid fans were more likely going to get) was the "hatbox" version; it cost $40 or so, and many copies were damaged in transit. The bonus lyric cards and mini-paintings hardly justified the price, and it's certainly not a collector's item now. Bob NP: Be-Bop Deluxe, "Life In The Air Age" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) I just ordered it. I love Shawn, but I have to agree with Bob that her last cd was a snoozer. She is a huge Joni fan. I have a bootleg of her where she does a tanalizingly short teaser of Night Ride Home. Jerry Norma Jean Garza wrote: >> I've read two good reviews of Shawn's latest album, >> "These Four Walls," one >> of which cites Joni: > > > Well, now I know which album to purchase next. > > I've always been an admirer of Shawn Colvyn and her > work. > > I saw her here in San Antonio a few years back when > she was very pregnant and sweet with the audience. My > sister and I had front row seats. It was after the > release of "Fat City," produced by Larry Klein. > The one favorite song of mine was "Object Of My > Affection," in which Joni gets credit for > hand-clapping. But to this day, I can't help seem to > hear Joni doing harmony vocals with her at the very > end of the song. Shawn had a little question and > answer rapport with the audience and naturally I asked > her if Joni had contributed more to the song than > hand-clapping because it sounds just like > Joni....Shawn just smiled and told me it was just her > lonesome self singing and kept smiling at me as if she > felt telling me a secret. My sister and I looked at > each other and smiled away, too. > It's nice to smile amongst certain types of women when > the subject is Joni because it's so sincere! I > applause to all whose love for truth and justice is > their life's cause. > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:45:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Shawn Colvin's New Release (SJC) Yay, and she is coming to Raleigh too on October 13. Can't miss that. I played Shawn's "This Must Be The Place" this morning in my early morning shift. Love the guitar interludes accentuating her voice. Just like the guitar accents in Joni's "For the Roses" and David Gray's "Babylon". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Twittering Machine "Mundo Hilario" Lindsay Moon a icrit : I've read two good reviews of Shawn's latest album, "These Four Walls," And then I see from her tour schedule she's coming to San Diego 9/25! Whoo-hoo! . - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: RE: Joni and the GLBT crowd think of the Both Sides Album?> I think it and its followup fulfilled her contract. In both cases, if I had never heard the songs before, I suspect I would have felt much differently, but I just never responded to them on any level--for me they added nothing to these well-known songs. Michael F. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:24:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: NJC Bush's accolades ??? I agree with Lori, I presume this person that wrote about future times and G W Bush, is fairly well of money wise, ( not living pay check to pay check) you see these people dont know what its like to have no realy wage rise in 4 years, to have no Health Insurance,( and no you cant get free health care in the USA if you work), either that or your one of these people that some how think that after 9/11, Kerry would not have told his Milatary advisors to invade Afganistan to try and capture Bin Laden, and somehow he would have not tightend up security in our country, despite the swiftboat rubbish, Kerry was 10 times the Patriot that Bush was, hell Dubbya didnt go to Vietnam !!!!!!!!! did he now. Are you saying in affect that what G Bush did was some amazing historical decision making process, akin to what Winston Churchill did in the Second World war, ridiculous, with the might of the most powerfull Military force ever known to mankind, he said Invade Afganistan, and the Military did the Rest, he signed a piece of paper!! thats all, and you know there is never going to be Christian Democracys in any of the Arab countries in the Middle East, So apart from making the Rich Richer and creating a more hostile place for the Iraq people to live in Iraq, doing his damdest to try and make it harder for the working man to get a good Pension, and worsening the Bankruptcy law for people ( not any rich people ) when a majority of people in the Country liked the law just the way it was. what has Bush done that merits a legacy in decades to come???. It will be a joy to have a new President in 2008 that can speak like a Politician should, with intelligence and clarity. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #345 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------