From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #339 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 18 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 339 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: English Jonicover ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: NJC Blackmail, Poor grammar and poor spelling. [Chris Marshall ] Joni's Brainy Quotes ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: English Jonicover [Bob Muller ] Kate Bennett At Once!!! (now njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Kate Bennett At Once!!! njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: English Jonicover [Benedicte Nielsen ] njc, "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" book review ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Te-na-ment Castle ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] NJC US POLITICS -- short reply to "Tell ABC...!" [dsknyc05 ] Re: Te-na-ment Castle NJC ["P. Henry" ] NJC Punctuation, spelling and Blackmail [Andeemac2006 ] Re: Electricity [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:58:45 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: English Jonicover I saw him at The Bloomsbury too! Was a really good show... I loved some of his covers... some choices were a little 'forced' if you ask me (scatting through 'Night In The City' not to my taste...) but they were really good songs and the duet he did with.... errrr I can't remember her name... but amazing jazz singer... was amazing... I think she did Amelia... I know I was meant to do the review of it for us.. and it's still in note form.... somewhere... lol But yes, I love the album but I prefer the songs he sings without scatting... it just sounds so wrong on British singers! Just mho! Jamie Zoob On 17 Sep 2006 13:47:10 +0100, Benedicte Nielsen wrote: > I guess few Jonirelated things escape you people, so you would know about > the English singer Ian Shaw who makes cover versions of her songs? I saw > him in Soho this summer, the show was announced as "Ian Shaw sings Joni > Mithcell", I think because he made a record with that title, but he > actually sang (and talked about) whatever came to his mind. Random but fun, > and on top of it it was his birthday and mine too... Benie > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:03:05 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: NJC Blackmail, Poor grammar and poor spelling. On 17 Sep 2006, at 16:12, mack watson-bush wrote: > Andee wrote and Chris responded: >> On 17 Sep 2006, at 10:15, Andeemac2006 wrote: >>> Only Republicans will be annoyed at this post.Sorry to upset you >>> all. >>> The thing that upsets me is that most closet Republicans have >>> jobs at >>> least paying $70,000 a year or more and are really saying " we have >>> our Wealth and Health Insurance to hell with everyone else". >> >> Or people outside the US. Jeez, listen to yourself will you? > > Don't know exactly what the response was referring to. Don't know > the average income of Republicans but would venture to say that > 'all' don't make that much. As for the wealthy ones the post is > right on. They don't care as long as they have what they have. > Course, same could be said for many wealthy Democrats. My main point was that it wasn't just republicans that would be annoyed at the post. Nope: anyone outside the U.S. might also be getting somewhat sick of fact that every time they dip into the list it seems to have some element of U.S. political sniping on it. Then for that to be followed up with what looks to me like a fairly evidence-free equation of income and politics... Suffice it to say that I'm getting sick of politics taking over the NJC list. That's the NJC list that, to me, has always been at least half the value in the JMDL. I'm not about to flounce out in a dramatic unsub incident, but from my perspective over here, it's getting tiresome wading through this stuff. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:01:30 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Electricity Hi folks. Check out Danilo's latest Joni covers at YouTube. My personal favourite is his cover of Electricity. You can see that one here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkICWwJI3QA Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:56:23 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni's Brainy Quotes Mille mercis, Michael from Laurentide Mountains! Je t'embrasse. You wrote: I came across a web site tonight that I found quite amusing. I don't know who colated all these quotes, and I,m not sure if they're accurate, but it sure sounds like Joni ! http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joni_mitchell.html - ---------------- "We have a war dictator who was not elected, he snuck in. So he punishes people that threaten him in any way, or even say something he doesn't like. It has no resemblance to democracy. " - -- Joni Mitchell JONI MITCHELL NEVER LIES! "Oh speak again, bright angel." Can any of you wonderful Joni-researchers (Bobs? Jerry? Anyone?) verify that Joni really said this? (Maybe it's already been proven false...I'm on "digest" so I don't know...) And if she did say this, my Marianne, can you make it into a poster for me? ("oh I know you can -- C'mon Marianne!") Use lots of Blue, and A Little Green, okay? I would put it on my office door next to the picture of Cindy Sheehan, the Kathe Kollwitz print ("Nie wieder Krieg!) http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/p62-23/index.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/p62-23/index.html&h=550&w=420&sz=24&hl=en&start=15&tbnid=5A84yfPhMP8c2M:&tbnh=133&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522nie%2Bwieder%2Bkrieg!%2522%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG (Whoa! Longest link I've ever seen, but I tried it, and it works!), and the picture of Deb Messling and her husband with their poster "How many bodies per gallon?" My office is an anti-war zone. Come up to my office, and I'll show you my best recipes. Love, Patti P., needing some sweet inspiration for the fear and loathing to come in the next seven weeks....the outcome of which will be decided on Joni's birthday NP (and running all through my circuits like a heartbeat): Neil Young, "Living With War" I'm living with war everyday I'm living with war in my heart everyday I'm living with war right now And when the dawn breaks I see my fellow man And on the flat-screen we kill and we're killed again And when the night falls, I pray for peace Try to remember peace (visualize) I join the multitudes I raise my hand in peace I never bow to the laws of the thought police I take a holy vow To never kill again To never kill again I'm living with war in my heart I'm living with war in my heart in my mind I'm living with war right now Don't take no tidal wave Don't take no mass grave Don't take no smokin' gun To show how the west was won But when the curtain falls, I pray for peace Try to remember peace (visualize) In the crowded streets In the big hotels In the mosques and the doors of the old museum I take a holy vow To never kill again Try to remember peace The rocket's red glare Bombs bursting in air Give proof through the night, That our flag is still there I'm living with war everyday I'm living with war in my heart everyday I'm living with war right now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: English Jonicover Claire Martin. She's his labelmate on Linn Records, she's done a couple of Joni covers too, including Blue Motel Room which is a duet with Ian. This is a fine, fine CD. When it first came out it was only available as an import, now it's gettable on Amazon and other domestic sources. Copies are also showing up on ebay. Ian brings a real sense of freshness to these songs, and does three that nobody else has recorded (Talk To Me, Stay In Touch, For Love Or Money). Adventurous as he might be however, he sidesteps that 80's material just like everybody else. I was greateful to be able to help write the press release for Linn's Marketing Director, and also did what I could to help promote it. Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Step Into The Projects" (Brenda - thanks for the reminder to go diggin' backwards to get this one. It is superb, worth every penny - - and then some.) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:22:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Kate Bennett At Once!!! (now njc) Wowie! Wow! Wow!! I am so excited to hear this!!! It's about time!!!! Hooray!!! Congratulations Kate my dear friend and mentor! It's about time!!!! Love, Sherelle Kate wrote: No kidding!? I had no idea... how did I get to Israel? (oh the magic of internet!)... I actually had a horrible day in my day job but came home to read your encouraging words... a day that ends lovely is lovely- the rest is forgotten... Nuri, thank you thank you for letting me know... wooooowwww.... indeed! that is a precious song to me, thank you for digging it too.... >Dear Kate, I had to post this one to the list and not off-list because i wanted everyone to know that i JUST HEARD A SONG BY KATE BENNETT ON THE RADIO!!! It's a late night radio show in a very popular radio station named Galgalatz - i don't know how the show is called, i don't even think it has a name, i think they just call it great music untill dawn. I hardly ever listen to the radio but tonight, like 5 in the morning, i did, and when the voice said "Here's a delightful song named "Indigo Blue" by the American indie-folk songwriter and musician Kate Bennett", i was like "Woooowwwww!", and then i heard your song and now i'm like "Woooowww-woooowwww-woooowwwww!!!". Kate - that was the first time i ever heard your voice and music and you are amazing. The song is lovely. Lovely! So there - Kate Bennett in Israel and i demand USA musicians involvement in the middle-east conflict. Thank you Kate, Hugs, Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's Brainy Quotes It's a legit quote, Patti - it comes from her wonderful 2004 Vanity Fair interview with Elvis Costello. Here's the entire quote in its original context: ****************************************** J.M. Most of this is such truisms that, in reality, there really aren't any arguments against it. We are leaving the culture in terrible decay, morally. Then there is this rise of this aberration of fundamentalism everywhere, combative religions that have nothing to do with the prophets that started hem, a complete misinterpretation of the meaning of their figurehead. So you have this mounting aggressive ignorance with the rabbit's Foot of their particular religion. You don't really have any kind of spiritual law, just a kind of a rabid mental illness. The songs are a little slice of life, and the subject matter happens to be "advertising." It happens to be "The courts are like game shows." It happens to be 'War was being preached from Baptist pulpits hack in the 80's, and it is being preached from the pulpit again." We have a war dictator who was not elected, he snuck in. so he punishes people that threaten him in any way, or even say something he doesn't like. E.C. So it's the opposite of democracy. J.M. It has no resemblance to democracy. ***************************************** There is certainly no doubt as to what Joni thinks of the current administration. Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Untitled" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:28:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Kate Bennett At Once!!! njc Hi Mack, I wish I could tell you how much Kate means to me. She is a very unselfish and giving person and helped me at a time I needed most. I am so, so happy for this news!!!! Sherelle Mack wrote: Wow, a real live celebrity here. You, as well as Sherelle, remember us when you get to be big stars Kate. mack ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2006 23:47:27 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: English Jonicover (Ian Shaw) On Sep 17 2006, Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: >I saw him at The Bloomsbury too! Was a really good show... I loved >some of his covers... some choices were a little 'forced' if you ask >me (scatting through 'Night In The City' not to my taste...) but they >were really good songs and the duet he did with.... errrr I can't >remember her name... but amazing jazz singer... was amazing... I think >she did Amelia... > >I know I was meant to do the review of it for us.. and it's still in >note form.... somewhere... > >lol > >But yes, I love the album but I prefer the songs he sings without >scatting... it just sounds so wrong on British singers! Just mho! > >Jamie Zoob Hey! This mailing list is full of surprises! I guess we went to different shows, mine was in Soho, in a strip joint, it was quite funny to see this jazzy audience trying to find their bearings. By the end of his show, it was quite funny to see an entirely different audience entering, looking at us and him and thinking WHAT IS THIS?? He introduced a jazz singer, about 20 years old, but with an amazing voice, probably the same as the one you heard. She sang like a much older woman. I don't really know his Joni covers, I listened to some of them on his website and he only sang one or two on the night. You can tell he has learned things from her, can't you. I can almost hear him saying "Drink out now it's getting time to close" the exact same way as she does. It was a fun evening, but I think he did the wrong thing by singing so many different things, because he was more like an entertainer I thought than a singer. As if he didn't really have his own thing...? benie NP Hank Williams Wealth wont save your soul - ever since I went to the same Patti Smith night as Garret last Friday I've been playing Hank Williams, because she played one of his songs. Good choice if you don't know too many chords on the guitar (and she didn't, surprisingly)! ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2006 23:56:08 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: English Jonicover On Sep 17 2006, Bob Muller wrote: > >Claire Martin. She's his labelmate on Linn >Records, she's done a couple of Joni covers too, >including Blue Motel Room which is a duet with >Ian. > >This is a fine, fine CD. What's the name of the CD? She's not the singer he had as a guest in the show I saw, she was very young, and her debut album would be released the following day I think (3 June). Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:41:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" book review >There is certainly no doubt as to what Joni >thinks of the current administration. > >Bob > And you know, there may be more (people who think the same way). Here is an interesting book review I read in today's paper. It's about "The Greatest Story Ever Sold: The Decline and Fall of Truth from 9/11 to Katrina" by Frank Rich. How Dishonesty Became Presidential Doctrine September 17, 2006 By JOHN FREEMAN, Special to The Courant OK, so they lied. And if you don't want to call it lying, call it dissembling. Or fabricating. However you want to label it, even conventional wisdom now holds that the Bush administration led this country to war in Iraq on false pretenses, deliberately muddling the pursuit of Osama bin Laden with a war of choice. As a result, high percentages of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks and some of the 19 hijackers were Iraqi. As a political columnist for The New York Times, Frank Rich was camped on the front lines as the Bush administration promoted these impressions. He watched as talking points - "the smoking gun which could be a mushroom cloud" - appeared in his own newspaper and bounced around the talk show circuit as evidence that Iraq was targeting America. As a former theater critic, Rich also is especially tuned in to such stage-managing and fable-making, and he wields his critical skills in "The Greatest Story Ever Sold," a blow-by-blow attempt to show how the American were pitched - and many bought - what he believes to be one of the greatest flimflam acts ever. The theatricality of this administration was evident from Day One, Rich convincingly argues. Going back to what now feels like ancient history, he describes the shaping of Bush's media persona - that of a regular guy who partied too hard, found Jesus and sobriety at the same time and turned his life around. Rich never bought it, and provides apt reasons why we shouldn't have either. For starters, "Crawford had been purchased just before he announced his presidential run," he writes. "It was routinely labeled a 'ranch' by the Eastern press. But the `ranch,' with its few head of cattle, was not a working ranch at all; it was more like a stage set." Images are tremendously important to this White House, Rich points out again and again, and it is very good at manipulating them. He reminds us how during the 2000 election recount, Republican staffers were flown down to Florida to stage a "riot." Bush may have landed on an aircraft carrier to declare "Mission Accomplished" less than two months after the invasion of Iraq, but what many Americans didn't know is it was moored just off the coast of San Diego. It isn't just high-profile policy that gets this kind of image massage. Not long after he was elected, Bush was photographed at parks just before he slashed their funding. He posed outside police stations the week his administration slashed federal funding for police salaries. "While photo ops were nothing new in the modern American presidency," Rich writes, "there had been a time when they were at least occasionally used to dramatize a president's policies rather than almost exclusively to disguise them. Now a smiling Bush appearance to bless any cause, program, or habitat was tantamount to a visit from the angel of death." Like many political commentators, Rich says that after 9/11, Bush graduated to an even more powerful mythic set - ground zero - and exploited its emotional resonances. Indeed, the 2004 Republican convention was held in New York not long after Bush's administration cut funds for firefighters. This is not radically new material, especially to readers who watch Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show" or Stephen Colbert's "Colbert Report," both of which specialize in exposing political hypocrisy. It was Colbert, after all, who invented the word "truthiness," which characterizes so much of the behavior described here. As Colbert suggests, we live in an era when what sounds like or appears to be true is accepted to be so, until proved false, by which point a correction may almost be pointless. Sadly, while Rich's newspaper columns often arrive right on time, this book feels a bit like one of those corrections buried on page A14. In other words: too little, too late. (John Freeman is president of the National Book Critics Circle. His commentary can be read on the organization's blog, CriticalMass, at www.bookcriticscircle.blogspot.com.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:44:12 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: New Orleans came to Washington DC! (njc) Hi everyone, After catching up with three weeks worth of digests, I'm happy to say that I had a wonderful time this weekend with Michael Paz and Victor who traveled the party train from New Orleans to Washington DC! (Victor jumped on in Atlanta). There is a wonderful Washington Post article about which I will post here! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600175.html?referrer=emailarticle Our own Paz was responsible for making sure everything flowed smoothly on the train ride up! Everything went off without a hitch. I'll leave that story to him. Our time began Friday evening with husband Rob and I arriving early to meet with Paz and Victor. We saw the wonderful tribute DVD Arlo Guthrie compiled for Jack Nielson and I felt very blessed to have seen it. I tried my first real Martini and was taught that I must "sip" this drink! We met dear Claudia San Soucie and John Van Tiel at a nearby seafood restaurant and had a wonderful time together! Poor John was suffering from jet lag as he had just arrived from Holland if I have that correctly. Jerome from Amtrak actually joined us a little after we arrived and is such a wonderful and personable guy! Very witty and funny! After dinner, Claudia and John had to say goodbye and head back to Baltimore so that John could get some much needed rest. If you don't get proper rest that first night, you pretty much screw up your entire week. Victor, Paz, Rob and I went back to the hotel and Rob watched as the three of us sang and/or played together. It was something I truly enjoyed. The next day, Rob and I made our way back by Metro train and shuttle bus to the Kennedy Center to have a taste of New Orleans that was so delicious!!! It was so very crowded everywhere so I didn't think we would see Paz, Jerome, or Victor. Then wouldn't you know it! We ran right into Paz and Jerome. Victor caught up later! He was like a kid in a candy store!!! (So glad you had such a great time Victor!) I was able to see "The Wild Magnolias Mardi Gras Indians" Geno Delafuse and French Rockin Boogie, Feufollet, Marcia Ball (in the concert hall) and Beausoleil avec Michael Doucet (who is so fantastic by the way!) We walked from stage to stage to check them all out! Nancy Griffith and the Five Blind Boys From Alabama were last on the bill between 5 and 7 pm on different stages but I couldn't stay as I was tuckered out and needed to get some rest. I'm sorry I missed them. I saw the Five Blind Boys when they came to DC with Peter Gabriel. I still would like to see Nancy Griffith at some point. One person that I am also sorry I missed is James "Super Chikan" Johnson! All I heard was great things about him from both Paz and Victor! Very unique artist! I said a sad goodbye to Victor and Paz close to five o'clock as they had to head back to the train station and make their way back home. I've never been to New Orleans (for which I know I am a real woos!) but I felt like New Orleans came to me! It was a wonderful time which I will never forget!!!! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Joni on Roseanne's mind Hi Ya'll, There's a Roseanne Cash concert being played on CMT right now... with Steve Earle. They had a part where they were sitting there talking about Johnny's show, and Steve rattled off several names of people who had been on the show. The person who came to Roseanne's mind, her only contribution to the list was "JONI." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:01:01 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Elvis and Diana >It's a legit quote, Patti - it comes from her >wonderful 2004 Vanity Fair interview with Elvis >Costello. Where are my manners? I think I forgot to say danke schon, Herr Muller! I also forget to tell you this. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but I read that Elvis and Diana are having twins! From the September 8th Hartford Courant: "Singers Diana Krall and Elvis Costello are not only getting ready for baby - - they're expecting a duet, Krall tells People magazine. "Today I'm at six months," said Krall, who is promoting her new album, "From This Moment On." "And you know, I'm having twins! I'm not kidding." Krall, 41, and Costello, 51, know the sex of their twins - due in December, around the couple's third anniversary - but they aren't telling. "We know, and everyone's been asking me, but we're keeping that private because we just want to have something for ourselves," Krall said." Twins! Wow! As we all know, two heads are better than one. And Cassy dear -- they must have been making beautiful music together, don't you think? Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:07:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Te-na-ment Castle Yep. Thanks Pat. That's pretty cool. Jim, who spent all weekend sailing H. Pat Boland said, in part, > The 'tenament castle' referred to in IHAK: http://www.campusvillage.com/Detroit/home.htm This is verified by the name of the building and the street corner it occupies which can be found in this article: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=647 This is for sure the very same building. Just thought some might find this interesting.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: NJC US POLITICS -- short reply to "Tell ABC...!" Brenda, I'm aiming to be brief here, and just do a little catch-up. The conversation's moved on, the issues will come up again (especially with the mid-term elections seven weeks away), and my focus is elsewhere these days. So, here goes: - --- Brenda wrote: > ... I would also recommend > downloading the > podcast of Meet The Press from yesterday where > Cheney goes through great > lengths to defend his statements and provide > rationalizations based on > semantics. He has got one helluva writer.... No need for a podcast. I almost always see Meet the Press, either Sunday morning or one of the repeats later in the day. What's said there is often quoted, sometimes for years, so rather than get bits and pieces later I watch the whole show. C-Span is a good news resource, too, which you probably already know. After watching Cheney I felt like I needed to take a shower. He's one dirty guy. > Who exactly are the "Bushies?" The central cast of characters: George, Dick, Condi, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Hadley, Ed Gillespie... any Repub who shows up on talk shows and repeats the current talking points, even when there's no evidence for their claims and they know it. Rove is the Bushie in the background. BushCo is another name for that group. But, surely, you know that. And I expand it to include anyone who repeats those talking points as though it's an original thought, whether they are a public official or not. > ... Again, there > have been Republicans disagreeing with Bush and > stating those > disagreements publicly from the onset. There are more speaking out now that Tom Delay isn't in charge and twisting arms to keep the Repubs in line. Now that some representatives are showing their disagreement, more citizens are too. Good! > Again who exactly are you talking about? Have you > assumed that I am a > Bush supporter? I'm not talking about you. I had in mind people like George Allen and Robert Novak and Kate O'Beirn and Ann Coulter. Brenda, it doesn't matter to me whether you are a Bush supporter or not. I don't need or want to know how anyone votes. What does matter to me is that people be honest about their bias (or at least try to be). When a particular bias is showing and yet the speaker claims to be completely objective... well, that really gums up the conversation. I'm leaving it at that for now. > But if you do care to point to who the talking heads > and politicians are > who support Bush on every issue no matter what then > I would endeavor to > show you an issue where they do not agree with him. > Or at least have > publicly stated their disagreement. I truly > believe the number who do > is far less than you imagine. Maybe so, especially now. It's becoming harder for the Bushies to hide what they're doing. Their photo ops aren't woking nearly as well as they used to. I'm heartened by all the Repubs who are now publicly questioning some of the things Bush has done. There was not enough of that in his first four years. > We do agree that it is unnatural to agree with > anyone on every action > they have taken. Where we disagree is that this is > true for many > Republicans. I don't think it's any more true of > Republicans than it > was for Democrats with Clinton. I disagree strongly. I don't know a single Democrat, public or private, who did not at some point have something negative to say about Clinton, and not just his personal life, but who disagreed with some of his policies, too. In contrast, I know some Repubs who pride themselves on agreeing with everything Bush does and says, and who, like Rush Limbaugh, make fun of anyone who dares to question what the Bushies are doing. Do ALL Repubs do that? - No. Most Repubs? - I don't know. A lot of people are getting their info and attitude toward Democrats from Rush Limbaugh or other right-wingers. > Why in the world do you think I do? I know how to > make up my own mind > and my view is that BOTH can be a problem. Also WE > are a problem > because oftentimes we don't pay attention until > something is a crisis > and then we want a quick solution. Take the > military recruiting section > of No Child Left Behind as an example. That > amendment was voted for in > the House in May 2001, before 9/11 and before the > commencement of the > wars. During a time when Bush was struggling and > generally looked weak > more than 70% of Democrats voted for the amendment. Struggling? Looked weak? That's not the way he acted. He had complete support from the Repubs in Congress, whether as a result of being strong-armed by Delay or not. Bush promoted his education reform bill and, sure, a lot of Dems voted for it. It was also supposed to be properly funded, which Bush later decided not to do. > You can believe > that my representative at the time, Jane Harman ... heard about it from me and as many people > in my neighborhood > as I could get to write, fax and email her about it. That's great! And how did you find out about it prior to the bill's passing? In the 670 pages of the Act, there are six short paragraphs about military recruiters. Who would think that efficient military recruitment would be part of an education bill? I learned about it when parents started fighting against it. I don't recall Bush ever mentioning how he made military recruitment easier when he was crowing about his education reform in speech after speech. I think that amendment stuck into an education bill is one reason people think the draft is coming. The database is set up now so a draft could be up and running quickly. Plus, the Bushies "don't talk, just invade and kill" foreign policy needs a much bigger army than the U.S. currently has. > There is no national election. And as the pundits > are all so quick to > say, Congressional races are run and won locally. The Repub pundits are saying that. They sure are hoping it stays local, so the negative ads against the Dem opponents get all the attention and voters don't remember the mess in Iraq... keep 'em stupid is very important for Repubs. Brenda, I'd be much more willing and able to discuss politics in the way it seems you wish to discuss them if we were talking during Old Bush's years in office. I didn't agree with many of his policies either, but didn't feel like he was leading us toward the Rapture, so I was perfectly willing to accept that other people would view his actions differently than I did. And it was just a matter of waiting until the next election and working to get the Dems in again. These days, with these manipulating murdering Bushies... at some point a person has to say NO to what they're doing. Consider me impolite or whatever if you wish. Doesn't matter to me. I recall Bush giving an oath to uphold the Constitution, and he has not done that. Even Repubs should be concerned about Bush behaving as though he's a king. And maybe some are. I hope so. That's all I have to say for now. I'm feeling very crabby now thinking about all this, and that crabbiness may be coming across, but I hope you realize I feel no ill-will toward you. We disagree on some things. That's okay with me. Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:56:37 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Blackmail, Poor grammar and poor spelling. Victor wrote: > As far as grammar and spelling goes, if you can't take the time to spell > properly and put your thoughts together with some sense of style and > grace I think it reflects poorly on the writer...just my opinion. - --Wasn't it you who decried the use of 'in my opinion' not long ago? I am pretty sure it was. No one here is a grammarian. To completely disavow someones opinion by calling their lack of, in your opinion, proper grammar deplorable is deplorable, in my opinion. And to back someone complaining about political posting when you yourself have done so is.... we all know what that is. Andeemac, not sure if male or female, has the same right to post here as you do, as anyone else does, without being insulted for doing so, whether one likes the content or not. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:47:12 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Blackmail, Poor grammar and poor spelling. Chris wrote: . Then for that to be followed up with what looks to me > like a fairly evidence-free equation of income and politics... > > Suffice it to say that I'm getting sick of politics taking > over the NJC list. That's the NJC list that, to me, has always > been at least half the value in the JMDL. > > I'm not about to flounce out in a dramatic unsub incident, but > from my perspective over here, it's getting tiresome wading through > this stuff. In other words Andee should only post what you want to read. Well then I suppose the main politicial posters should all receive the same message from you. As for my evidence free equation, as you put it, that was opinion that I voiced, just like yours. If you don't want to read the political posts, no one is forcing you to. Use the delete key. Or switch to Joni only. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Paging Kellerfrau! NJC - --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > Hi, Catherine, > > The program in question is called OpenOffice.org (it > really is called > that way, with .org at the end not only for the > website). > > To get it, take a look here: > > http://www.openoffice.org/index.html > > I have used it for 3 years now and have my customers > switch from > expensive MS Office solutions to OOo. The components > are very similar, > so is the interface. > Thank you so much. I've downloaded it now. In the meantime I found my discs (I hid them too well), so I was able to reinstall my printer and some other stuff. My version of MS Office didn't have powerpoint, so, right off the bat, openoffice.org is ahead. Oh yeah, and it's free! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:02:17 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Te-na-ment Castle NJC Hey Jim! That's also pretty cool but tell me, was that on a boat or just a little too mucn tequila? *grin* (jus' kiddin') - ----------------------------------- > Yep. Thanks Pat. That's pretty cool. > > Jim, who spent all weekend sailing > > > H. Pat Boland said, in part, >> The 'tenament castle' referred to in IHAK: > http://www.campusvillage.com/Detroit/home.htm > > This is verified by the name of the building and the street corner it > occupies which can be found in this article: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=647 > > This is for sure the very same building. Just thought some might find > this interesting.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:02:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: NJC Punctuation, spelling and Blackmail http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/us/16bush.html?_r=3&hp&ex=1158379200&en=7d8e65f94df9f997&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Nobody commented about this travesty as though its ok for Bush to Blackmail senator'sand as I said we had 80 years of the Geneva convention and along comes Bush and he thinks that it needs to be revised, when the rest of the world including 30 Republicans dont agree.Sorry but only G W Bush fanatics or closet Republicans think that Bush is in the right, on this issue. And as Powell has said, you have to think what will happen to our poor soldiers when they get caught in the next proper war ( heres hoping we dont have one) the USA Britain Europe Austrailia and others have to set an example to the rest of the world and say with no doubt whatsoever, that we will treat your soldiers in this fashion keeping to the Geneva conventions when we capture them. I mean for all the German armys failings they kept to the Geneva convention. Do people want our soldiers to be tortured when there captured, well do you,??? or is this another pre-requisite of joining the Army that, you could be tortured And to the person that I think was refering to dissing our President, I support the USA 100% and the people within it, but you can be Patriotic and not support G W Bush, Didnt the Republicans diss Clinton not so long ago and he was the President. you see the Republicans started the rot didnt they, another example of if you break rules ( the Geneva convention) the other side take liberties. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: show in NYC tonight (Mon 9/18) (NJC) Hello JMDLers, If any of you NYCers would like to come out for an early set of music that will almost certainly include a Joni tune, read below... :-) kay - ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: gentle reminder: kay@rockwood 2nite! From: "Kay Ashley" Date: Sun, September 17, 2006 11:52 pm To: kay@kayashley.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everyone, A quick reminder about my birthday bash at Rockwood Music Hall tonight: Kay Ashley Monday, September 18th 7:00 pm - 8:00 pm Rockwood Music Hall 196 Allen Street NYC F train to 2nd Ave., exit at Houston and Allen There will be food and kaYzoos for all, and I will have the honor of being accompanied by Elizabeth Dotson-Westphalen (http://www.elizabethjazz.com) on vox and trombone, and Allison Tartalia (http://www.allisontartalia.com) on piano. Hope to see you there! :-) Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- Change your info? Stop the emails? Easy! Just click this link: http://kayashley.com/hostbaby/i?i=270&p=PbdGBaa9QvPcMLTUAhzF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:51:39 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Electricity Hi folks. Danilo is asking if anyone knows the chords to See You Sometime, Lesson In Survival and The Arrangement. I think he meant to send his request to the group. They are songs I have requested him to perform. Mark in Sydney NP Amelia - Danilo ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #339 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------