From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #335 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 335 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" [Victor Johnson ] all the talk about "the Road to 9/11" NJC [Em ] Re: Lovely NP's NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Bigger Threats, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Kate Bennett At Once!!! ["P. Henry" ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Bigger Threats, njc [Brenda ] Re: Bigger Threats, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Brenda ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news?/O'Connor's speech (NJC) [Brenda ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Brenda ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Brenda ] Re: gas, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: gas, njc [Brenda ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) [Brenda ] Re: gas, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: gas, njc [Brenda ] Re: gas, njc ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Fest attendance ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Lori Fye" ] Kate Bennett At Once!!! ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:25:51 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" > Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, any > sort of > extremists ... what's the difference? There is no difference. > In this day and age there is a difference. The other night, I had gotten home from a long day at school, made some dinner (chicken sausage stuffed w/feta and spinach and mashed potatoes), turned on "House", sat down to eat when I hear a "knock, knock,knock" on the door. I open it, wondering who it is since I wasn't expecting anyone, and see two men in suits with "church of latter day saints" name tags. They said, "We'd like to talk to you about Jesus, do you have a few minutes" and I said, "Not right now," giving them a look that probably said, what the hell are you interrupting me for right now, at a time when most people are relaxing, eating dinner, etc...To me this is a bit extreme but still fairly harmless. One the other hand, say what you want about this war but it is clearly a war against Islamic fascism. You can blame the government all day but they were not sitting at the controls flying planes into buildings in NYC nor is the government setting of bombs in the middle East or blowing up trains in Spain and London. Who's to say there won't be another Sept.11th? It could happen any day, any hour...there is a clear and present danger regardless of how complacent we have become. The facts speak for themselves...all the recent terrorist attacks have been from Islamic extremists, not Catholics, Jews, or Protestants, etc... > > > The thing is, Bree, our "war on terror" has turned into a war > against a > specific religion. Is that really what we want? Everyday in my > Inbox I > receive some sort of garbage telling me I need to hate all > Muslims. Not > just extremists, but ALL Muslims. How sick is that? That garbage has nothing to do with the actual situation and you know it. It is exactly what you say it is, garbage, and should be deleted and put in the trash. Of course, all Muslims should not be hated and many have spoken out against the violence their brethren have been perpetrating. Identify the terrorists for who they are..Muslims. Are all Muslims violent and terrorists? Of course not! Anyone believing that is sick. There is no war against all Muslims...that's absurd. Just because someone tells you what to do doesn't mean you should listen to them. But when Islamic extremists blow up buildings, blow up trains, and blow up metro stations it doesn't seem very prudent to me to just sit there and say "I'm sorry your friends and family were killed but we can't say anything bad about these folks because they are Muslim and it might hurt their feelings." I'm all for peace and personally could never attack anyone but not everybody is of that mentality. There is a danger in this world right now that is very real and if you don't see that your head is buried in the sand. Victor, unable to sleep as I'll be boarding the Paz Express in 12 hours and the anticipation is killing me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:53:51 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: gas, njc gas prices are going down a bit. . correlation to midterm elections? ~ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! Its easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: all the talk about "the Road to 9/11" NJC folks, I think it was worthwhile. In the end, I don't think it was destructive. It was not easy, but I think it was the best thing to do. We (and others around the country) gnawed this bone and everyone had their say, the show was aired, and due to the big stink the Dems made, more attention was drawn to possible inaccuracies. Good! I think it was healthy. It was like taking an iron pill every night. Not always easy, but so very worthwhile in the end. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:21:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Lovely NP's NJC No - I have their entire catalogue though, plus Mark's sols work plus the Sun Kil Moon albums. Retrospective has a full CD's worth of demo's and bonus stuff. Not enough to make it worth my getting it. Did I mention that my wife & I saw Mark Kozelek earlier this year - in a small club in Asheville, NC. He was superb - he performed RHP songs, Sun Kil Moon songs, and of course did a few interesting covers like Bob Seger's "Mainstreet" which was so powerful given his haunting tormented vocal style. Bob NP: The Kinks, "The Destroyer" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:21:40 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Bigger Threats, njc The namesake of my favorite character on 6 feet under wrote: I think one difference though Bob is that these things are actually within our own personal power and will to control. We can choose not to smoke or to drink and drive. I wish more people would make those choices. Hi Brenda, I can't speak for most of the things Bob listed, but I can speak about alcoholism since I have this disease. It is a common misconception among the general public and even alcoholics not in recovery programs or in early recovery that drinking is "within our own personal power and will to control." For alcoholics, our will own personal power and will is a liability rather than an answer. The first step in AA states, "we admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable." This is the only step in AA that we must take 100%. We must to our deepest core believe we can't quit on our own personal power and will. When we cross the line of addiction, we no longer have will power. Many alcoholics don't understand why they can control other things in their lives by their own will power but can't stop drinking. Some of them try over and over again to quit on their own and die doing so because they can't. The second step says, " Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." The way alcoholics can get sober is by surrendering to a higher power. For me, that was the AA group of people who had done something I couldn't... namely to get sober and stay sober. Surrendering means turning one's will over, doing the suggestions made by others who have what you want, namely sobriety. We can't will ourselves sober any more than a man with no legs can will himself into having legs. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Hey All, I had to respond to this thread: >Brenda wrote: >> Bob Muller wrote: >> But the government sets the tone for the news >> channels to follow, right? When the terror threat >> gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed >> attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom >> clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of >> course that's what they're going to report. >> (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course >> - they always get top priority). >> > > She doesn't even have to be hot. > > I disagree that the government sets the tone. The members of government > are newsmakers and they contribute to the agenda, but I'm talking about > the presentation- the length of stories and balance among stories, the > colors and styles of graphics, types of voiceovers, tempo and styles of > music, etc. Yes, the media reports on what the government does or says > but the government doesn't dictate how they do that or for how long. > Compare the NewsHour to CNN's The Situation Room or The Fox Report. > > The NewsHour isn't sexy, but I don't ever feel like they are trying to > manipulate the audience. I can't say that for the others. > I agree with Bob on this. Have you all seen the documentary about Noam Chomsky called "The Manufacture of Consent"? Or read his book of the same title? These are both very, very worthy of your time. Noam Chomsky's basic thesis is that corporate ownership of the media has a profound influence on the content/prioritization of news stories. The most striking example illustrated in the film about him is the New York Times' neglect of stories about Indonesia's mistreatment of East Timor in the late '70s, while much attention was focused on the Khmer Rouge's activities in Cambodia. If memory serves, Chomsky's assertion is that the relationship of the US government with that of Indonesia was the ultimate factor here: the US' interest in using shipping lanes controlled by Indonesia was deemed more important than the slaughtering of people by its own government. This sort of thing is nothing new, of course; blatant self interest has ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Hey All, I had to respond to this thread: >Brenda wrote: >> Bob Muller wrote: >> But the government sets the tone for the news >> channels to follow, right? When the terror threat >> gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed >> attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom >> clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of >> course that's what they're going to report. >> (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course >> - they always get top priority). >> > > She doesn't even have to be hot. > > I disagree that the government sets the tone. The members of government > are newsmakers and they contribute to the agenda, but I'm talking about > the presentation- the length of stories and balance among stories, the > colors and styles of graphics, types of voiceovers, tempo and styles of > music, etc. Yes, the media reports on what the government does or says > but the government doesn't dictate how they do that or for how long. > Compare the NewsHour to CNN's The Situation Room or The Fox Report. > > The NewsHour isn't sexy, but I don't ever feel like they are trying to > manipulate the audience. I can't say that for the others. > I agree with Bob on this. Have you all seen the documentary about Noam Chomsky called "The Manufacture of Consent"? Or read his book of the same title? These are both very, very worthy of your time. Noam Chomsky's basic thesis is that corporate ownership of the media has a profound influence on the content/prioritization of news stories. The most striking example illustrated in the film about him is the New York Times' neglect of stories about Indonesia's mistreatment of East Timor in the late '70s, while much attention was focused on the Khmer Rouge's activities in Cambodia. If memory serves, Chomsky's assertion is that the relationship of the US government with that of Indonesia was the ultimate factor here: the US' interest in using shipping lanes controlled by Indonesia was deemed more important than the slaughtering of people by its own government. This sort of thing is nothing new, of course; blatant self interest has always determined the actions of government. But what is remarkable is that Chomsky proved that the New York Times *ownership* was put under pressure *by the US government* to "under-report" the tragedy in East Timor. It's been 25+ years since this particular example occurred; we have seen enormous consolidation of media ownership since then, and we have also seen an astounding and blatant collusion of the Bush government with corporate interests (Bill Moyers said we are on the road to being an oligarchy; Sandra Day O'Connor, in her *under-reported* retirement speech, went a step further to say we are on the road to facism; Mussolini himself defined facism as the collusion of government and corporate interests). I think it is very, very clear that this collusion extends to the media. Does anyone think that Bill O'Reilly EVER would have been given a job on TV 30 years ago? The man is a monster, but he serves Fox's corporate/government agenda quite nicely: stir up the populace, monger lots of fear, and convince everyone that liberals are traitors. And that is just one example. I think that we are living in a time of dishonesty in the public sphere (I'd like to be able to use the word 'discourse', but sadly that no longer seems to apply) that is unprecedented in US history. I think that we are every bit as manipulated as anyone who has ever lived under a communist dictatorship. Just because we don't have iconographic banners and murals of Bush on every public building, and statues of him in every public sqaure, doesn't make us any less manipulated or misinformed. And I think that people who can't recognize or acknowledge the profound extent to which we are deliberately misinformed and manipulated are woefully naive. Just my two cents. Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:22:06 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Kate Bennett At Once!!! MURI! You mean to tell me that after the URL for Kate's site has been in practically every day's list for the last I don't know how many years, every time she posted, you have NEVER heard even heard a sample clip until now?!? Wow! Well, I can certainly appreciate your joy at hearing for the first time. For me it was every bit as much "Woooowww-woooowwww-woooowwwww!!!" experience and I immediately got her cd from http://cdbaby.com/cd/katebennett Don't tell her I said so but, to tell the truth, personally, I feel about her cd sort of like I once felt about a young singer songwriter gal back when I was among the lucky few who got to see her prtform when her wandering brought her around to our coffeehouse... whose name was Joni. It's never very far from from my stero and I truly do consider it a classic on par with Tapestry, Sweet Baby James and For The Roses among others. I love it so much I've bugged the folks over at World Cafe' on NPR (National Public Radio) more than once to play selections from it because every time I'd listen to the show I couldn't help but think, "hey, if you're going to play great indies, you're missing out on one of the best!". To me she sounds like Joni would've if she'd never smoked. Cheers, Pat NP - Wolf Song - ---------------------------------- From: Nuri "I had to post this one to the list and not off-list because i wanted everyone to know that i JUST HEARD A SONG BY KATE BENNETT ON THE RADIO!!! ...and when the voice said "Here's a delightful song named "Indigo Blue" by the American indie-folk songwriter and musician Kate Bennett", i was like "Woooowwwww!", and then i heard your song and now i'm like "Woooowww-woooowwww-woooowwwww!!!". Kate - that was the first time i ever heard your voice and music and you are amazing. The song is lovely. Lovely! So there - Kate Bennett in Israel and i demand USA musicians involvement in the middle-east conflict. Thank you Kate, Hugs, Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:45:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Manufacturing Consent is one of the most popular titles I have in our University Media Collection. My problem with it is there is no good alternative to private ownership of the media. Government ownership and control would be no better. We need to focus on ourselves as good consumers of media rather than the providers. And it isn't going to get any better anytime soon. We have come to expect and demand (the general public, not JMDL :) instant analysis and one paragraph round up of very important issues. That is why people Flock to Fox. They are, unfortunately, giving the public what it wants. Jerry > Hey All, > > I had to respond to this thread: > >> Brenda wrote: >>> Bob Muller wrote: >>> But the government sets the tone for the news >>> channels to follow, right? When the terror threat >>> gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed >>> attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom >>> clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of >>> course that's what they're going to report. >>> (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course >>> - they always get top priority). >>> >> >> She doesn't even have to be hot. >> >> I disagree that the government sets the tone. The members of government >> are newsmakers and they contribute to the agenda, but I'm talking about >> the presentation- the length of stories and balance among stories, the >> colors and styles of graphics, types of voiceovers, tempo and styles of >> music, etc. Yes, the media reports on what the government does or says >> but the government doesn't dictate how they do that or for how long. >> Compare the NewsHour to CNN's The Situation Room or The Fox Report. >> >> The NewsHour isn't sexy, but I don't ever feel like they are trying to >> manipulate the audience. I can't say that for the others. >> > > I agree with Bob on this. Have you all seen the documentary about Noam > Chomsky called "The Manufacture of Consent"? Or read his book of the same > title? These are both very, very worthy of your time. Noam Chomsky's > basic thesis is that corporate ownership of the media has a profound > influence on the content/prioritization of news stories. The most > striking example illustrated in the film about him is the New York Times' > neglect of stories about Indonesia's mistreatment of East Timor in the > late '70s, while much attention was focused on the Khmer Rouge's > activities in Cambodia. If memory serves, Chomsky's assertion is that the > relationship of the US government with that of Indonesia was the ultimate > factor here: the US' interest in using shipping lanes controlled by > Indonesia was deemed more important than the slaughtering of people by its > own government. This sort of thing is nothing new, of course; blatant > self interest has always determined the actions of government. But what > is remarkable is that Chomsky proved that the New York Times *ownership* > was put under pressure *by the US government* to "under-report" the > tragedy in East Timor. > > It's been 25+ years since this particular example occurred; we have seen > enormous consolidation of media ownership since then, and we have also > seen an astounding and blatant collusion of the Bush government with > corporate interests (Bill Moyers said we are on the road to being an > oligarchy; Sandra Day O'Connor, in her *under-reported* retirement speech, > went a step further to say we are on the road to facism; Mussolini himself > defined facism as the collusion of government and corporate interests). I > think it is very, very clear that this collusion extends to the media. > Does anyone think that Bill O'Reilly EVER would have been given a job on > TV 30 years ago? The man is a monster, but he serves Fox's > corporate/government agenda quite nicely: stir up the populace, monger > lots of fear, and convince everyone that liberals are traitors. And that > is just one example. > > I think that we are living in a time of dishonesty in the public sphere > (I'd like to be able to use the word 'discourse', but sadly that no longer > seems to apply) that is unprecedented in US history. I think that we are > every bit as manipulated as anyone who has ever lived under a communist > dictatorship. Just because we don't have iconographic banners and murals > of Bush on every public building, and statues of him in every public > sqaure, doesn't make us any less manipulated or misinformed. And I think > that people who can't recognize or acknowledge the profound extent to > which we are deliberately misinformed and manipulated are woefully naive. > > Just my two cents. > > Kay > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.kayashley.com > http://www.myspace.com/kayashley > http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Lovely NP's NJC Bob wrote: Did I mention that my wife & I saw Mark Kozelek earlier this year - in a small club in Asheville, NC. He was superb". You did, i remember that very well. I hope that once the show was over and you guys stepped outside the club there was a lovely bright moon hanging in the sky for you. I only saw him once (with RHP) in Camden in 1993, and when the show was over, it was raining and people like went numb and were looking for some source of light in the sky and in each other's eyes, as his music (at least back then, i know he's in a better mood now) was so heartbreaking and his lyrics reminded everyone who was there of the darker side of our generation's youth. I was there with a girl who was my best friend during highschool years and had family relatives in London and a local gang of indie-people we only met several hours before the show, and we set on the sidewalk infront of the Underworld club and talked all night. I guess if i saw him now i'd be cooler about it, but back then it was pure black magic. It was freezing and the next day we all caught cold but that night after the RHP show we were happy just being together and alive. OK - Guy's calling me for dinner so i'm going to eat my dinner and watch some MTV now and hopefully get myself into that Paris Hilton atmosphere. Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:39:16 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Bigger Threats, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > The second step says, " Came to believe that a Power greater than > ourselves could restore us to sanity." The way alcoholics can get sober is by > surrendering to a higher power. For me, that was the AA group of people who had > done something I couldn't... namely to get sober and stay sober. > Surrendering means turning one's will over, doing the suggestions made by others who > have what you want, namely sobriety. We can't will ourselves sober any more > than a man with no legs can will himself into having legs. > Hi Laura, Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Perhaps it's because I work in music, but I have a number of friends in recovery and I have had no small measure of experience with addiction. For some it was alcohol, for some narcotics, for others both. Or gambling. So I have some understanding of the tenets of the program. It was not my intention to suggest that alcoholics have power over their addiction. But rather, to clarify on this particular subject, that surrender is a personal action. What is the personal action that we can take to stop someone else from parking a truck loaded with a bomb in the garage of a building? B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:52:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Bigger Threats, njc In a message dated 9/14/2006 11:39:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: What is the personal action that we can take to stop someone else from parking a truck loaded with a bomb in the garage of a building? Hi Brenda, Mine would be to do what I need to be as mentally healthy as I can be and to support health care, education, and all methods of nurturing children and adults. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:00:30 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Kay Ashley wrote: > I think that we are living in a time of dishonesty in the public sphere > (I'd like to be able to use the word 'discourse', but sadly that no longer > seems to apply) that is unprecedented in US history. I think that we are > every bit as manipulated as anyone who has ever lived under a communist > dictatorship. Just because we don't have iconographic banners and murals > of Bush on every public building, and statues of him in every public > sqaure, doesn't make us any less manipulated or misinformed. And I think > that people who can't recognize or acknowledge the profound extent to > which we are deliberately misinformed and manipulated are woefully naive. > Hi Kay, Thanks for joining the discussion. I have not read Chomsky's book but I've added it to my list and will come back to you on it after I have read it. I also know someone who was very high in the chain of command at one of the big cable news networks and I want to get his opinion as well. We have talked about O'Reilly before and how Fox became what it is. I think he is right that if O'Reilly didn't draw numbers he wouldn't be there, never mind the fact that his show is not news; it's opinion. One point I will make today is that we live in a different media world than we did 25 years ago and not just because of consolidation but also because of the explosion of information via the internet. How much choice is there under communist dictatorships? I don't deny that under reporting occurs. AIDS and the African American community is certainly one of those issues in my book. Nor do I deny that there are people and organizations driven to manipulate, but we have choice and I agree with Jerry that we have to focus on ourselves. Time to get some work done! Later all, B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:27:27 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news?/O'Connor's speech (NJC) Kay Ashley wrote: > It's been 25+ years since this particular example occurred; we have seen > enormous consolidation of media ownership since then, and we have also > seen an astounding and blatant collusion of the Bush government with > corporate interests (Bill Moyers said we are on the road to being an > oligarchy; Sandra Day O'Connor, in her *under-reported* retirement speech, > went a step further to say we are on the road to facism; Mussolini himself > defined facism as the collusion of government and corporate interests). Kay, here's another point of view on the Sandra Day O'Connor story that you may find of interest. It also points out that this wasn't O'Connor's first criticism of Tom Delay and John Cornyn. http://www.slate.com/id/2137961/ And in the interest of fairness, in reporting about O'Connor's speech, Nina Totenberg quoted O'Connor as having said: "We must be ever-vigilant against those who would strongarm the judiciary into adopting their preferred policies. It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings." To me that's quite a leap to being on the road to fascism, but if you have the text of the speech and can point out where she said that, I'd appreciate it. OK... now I really must go. Have a great day all, B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:56:21 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: gas, njc Mar asked: > gas prices are going down a bit. . > > correlation to midterm elections? of course. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:07:16 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) It goes way beyond government setting the "tone" for the news and information that goes out over the air. Under the Bush administration, government-run PR firms actually send finished news segments to the news networks, who play them as they are received, without any comment that they are products of the government, not the network. And it would be hard to deny the complicity of the networks in selling both the current war in Iraq and Desert Storm. Besides failing to apply any critical thinking to the logic of the attack itself, they presented talking heads that were overwhemingly non-critical. When's the last time you saw Chomsky on a news show? (Hint: never). RR http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9592 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:10:22 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: gas, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > gas prices are going down a bit. . > correlation to midterm elections? I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Uh-huh. Actually, they're down alot-40 cents in my town. Let's see what happens, how long they stay that way. Possibly, by mid-November, they will start rising again, by coincidence. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:12:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Not to mention the media members that they just put on the payroll, like Armstrong Williams who they paid to push NCLB in the Black community: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm Bob NP: Wayne Krantz, "Don't Tell Me" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob NP: Jaco Pastorius, "Continuum" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:28:36 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) I'd suggest that you mean to the part of the black community that holds similar views as Armstrong and make up his audience. He's very conservative to begin with and many of his listeners didn't necessarily need "pushing." That some media outlets choose to run finished news segments without editing isn't new or surprising. That practice isn't just limited to the government's work either. I've seen press releases that I've done for new recordings printed word-for-word. Again, we still have a choice as to what outlets we patronize. And there are no small number of media "watchdogs" working to assist in guiding that decision. B Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Not to mention the media members that they just put on the payroll, like > Armstrong Williams who they paid to push NCLB in the Black community: > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm > > Bob > > NP: Wayne Krantz, "Don't Tell Me" > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:41:24 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) I think it's also worth noting that Armstrong lost his syndication deal with Tribune because he accepted that payment. B Brenda wrote: > I'd suggest that you mean to the part of the black community that > holds similar views as Armstrong and make up his audience. He's very > conservative to begin with and many of his listeners didn't > necessarily need "pushing." > > That some media outlets choose to run finished news segments without > editing isn't new or surprising. That practice isn't just limited to > the government's work either. I've seen press releases that I've done > for new recordings printed word-for-word. > Again, we still have a choice as to what outlets we patronize. And > there are no small number of media "watchdogs" working to assist in > guiding that decision. > B > > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> Not to mention the media members that they just put on the payroll, >> like Armstrong Williams who they paid to push NCLB in the Black >> community: >> >> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm >> >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Wayne Krantz, "Don't Tell Me" >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >> notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken >> in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >> any computer. Any views expressed in this message >> are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >> the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:19:31 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: gas, njc What I find most amusing about gas prices is how inured most of us have become to the higher prices, to the point where now we think it's so cool that premium is now below $3 a gallon again. Not that long ago we would have been incensed at the thought of $2 a gallon. A few weeks ago my partner was in Mendocino, where she saw premium for $4.05 a gallon. There's one gas station in that town, and they can get away with charging that because it's the only game in town. (On the other hand, my car -- which she was driving -- needed some repairs and the mechanic didn't want to charge for doing them.) So maybe in Mendocino premium is now only $3.65 or so and people are relieved. (If you wonder why we pay attention to premium prices, it's because that's all we put in our motorcycles.) Personally though, I stand by my original contention that gas should be much more expensive than it is for Americans. $10 is okay by me. And yes, Marianne, the recent price dip is definitely related to prepping us for the upcoming elections. I hope that most people see through that, remember how crappy things really are right now (in so many ways), and vote the Repugnants out of every seat in every race, everywhere. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:06 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: gas, njc Perhaps it has something to do with a seasonal pattern where prices drop after summer driving demand eases. And maybe the lack of hurricane activity in the Gulf has an effect as well. Was it also just "coincidence" when retail prices dropped in September '96 when Clinton was running for re-election? B Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > > >> gas prices are going down a bit. . >> correlation to midterm elections? > > I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Uh-huh. > Actually, they're down alot-40 cents in my town. > Let's see what happens, how long they stay that way. > Possibly, by mid-November, they will start rising > again, by coincidence. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) > I'd suggest that you mean to the part of the > black community that holds > similar views as Armstrong and make up his > audience. In part, but if you read the article you'll see that the intent was for him to reach out to other black journalists that perhaps have more moderate and even liberal audiences. "Seeking to build support among black families for its education reform law, the Bush administration paid a prominent black pundit $240,000 to promote the law on his nationally syndicated television show and to urge other black journalists to do the same." > And there are no small number of media "watchdogs" > working to assist in > guiding that decision. And I'm thankful that that's the case - like you I like to get media from a ton of sources (no TV though except for the local news every so often), and often still wonder if I'm getting the truth. Bob NP: Bernice Lewis, "A Case Of You" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:17:21 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Does gov't set tone for news? (NJC) Bob Muller wrote: > In part, but if you read the article you'll see > that the intent was for him to reach out to other > black journalists that perhaps have more moderate > and even liberal audiences. > > "Seeking to build support among black families > for its education reform law, the Bush > administration paid a prominent black pundit > $240,000 to promote the law on his nationally > syndicated television show and to urge other > black journalists to do the same." > > And how effective was he? Never mind that he is not a journalist; he's a columnist. B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: gas, njc I can relate to that... Gas here in upstate SC is typically the cheapest in the USA (it's $2.26/gallon today), and the last time I gassed up it was $2.36 or so. I was thinking, "Man, that's awesome!" when all of a sudden it hit me right between the eyes...."Man, that STILL sucks". Luckily I don't consume much, I'd definitely take the bus if we had a decent system. The article I read this AM in my local paper predicted $1.15/gallon in 4 weeks. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "5ive Gears In Reverse" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:21:24 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: gas, njc Lori Fye wrote: > And yes, Marianne, the recent price dip is definitely related to prepping us > for the upcoming elections. The Seattle Times offers another view: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html B n.p.: Gilmore Girls ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:08:20 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: gas, njc I wrote: >> And yes, Marianne, the recent price dip is definitely related to prepping us >> for the upcoming elections. Brenda countered: > The Seattle Times offers another view: > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html Perhaps, and it would be nice for those who need the economic assistance that reduced gas prices would offer. However, I don't believe the greedy oil companies will allow it. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:11:05 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Fest attendance Bree wrote: > I like you Lori..I hope to see you at the fest. I like you too, Bree. Unfortunately, I won't be attending the 2007 Fest. Too many other obligations and not enough vacation time. I hope y'all have a GREAT time, though!! Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:22:05 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" I wrote: >> Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, any >> sort of extremists ... what's the difference? There is no difference. Victor replied: > In this day and age there is a difference. The other night, I had > gotten home from a long day at school, made some dinner (chicken > sausage stuffed w/feta and spinach and mashed potatoes), turned on > "House", sat down to eat when I hear a "knock, knock,knock" on the > door. I open it, wondering who it is since I wasn't expecting > anyone, and see two men in suits with "church of latter day saints" > name tags. They said, "We'd like to talk to you about Jesus, do you > have a few minutes" and I said, "Not right now," giving them a look > that probably said, what the hell are you interrupting me for right > now, at a time when most people are relaxing, eating dinner, etc...To > me this is a bit extreme but still fairly harmless. That's not quite the kind of "extreme" I was thinking of, Victor, although I do find people who knock on my door hoping to sell me Jesus (or anything else having to do with religion, or politics, or magazines for that matter) to be really annoying. (Mostly I wish people would simply refrain from knocking on my door without phoning me first, which is why I'm delighted to now be living on a private lane "in the country." By the way, I rarely answer the phone, either. I prefer email communications. Am I a hermit? Perhaps.) "Extremists" are people who do things like blow up clinics that offer reproductive choices. And those people are NO different than extremists who slam planes into buildings. Anyone who commits a violent act in the name of religious beliefs ... well, imo they should be shot on sight, but that's just my opinion. Actually, anyone who commits any violent act (and anyone who commits indecent acts upon children and those who cannot defend themselves) should be shot. Dead. (Kind of a conundrum, isn't it?) If someone would let me, I'd volunteer to do the job and even supply my own gun and bullets. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:51 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: New Rickie Lee Jones song available for FREE DOWNLOAD now njc for anyone who's interested. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: New Rickie Lee Jones song available for FREE DOWNLOAD now > Rickie Lee and two members of the Squirrel Nut Zippers (Tom Maxwell and > Ken Mosher) have written a witty, incisive and extremely relevant song > called "Have You Had Enough?", in response to these troubled times. > Addressing the crookedness of the Bush Administration, and the tremendous > and lasting damage they have wrought on our civil liberties, our > environment, our foreign relations, our quality of life and on and on, > "Have You Had Enough?" is a song that means a great deal to Rickie and is > one that she wants to share with anyone who it speaks to. > > > > To that end, this song is available for FREE, downloadable from Rickie's > MySpace page. Please feel free to share it with everyone and anyone you > know... > > > > Find it here: > > http://www.myspace.com/dutchessofcoolsville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:46:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: hate email? njc Lori> Everyday in my Inbox I receive some sort of garbage telling me I need to hate all Muslims.< Thankfully I have never seen such garbage... I get lots of mortgage, clothing sales, stock advice & sometimes sex related emails... but never such as you mentioned... Lori, what is the origin of such hateful emails? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:11:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Kate Bennett At Once!!! No kidding!? I had no idea... how did I get to Israel? (oh the magic of internet!)... I actually had a horrible day in my day job but came home to read your encouraging words... a day that ends lovely is lovely- the rest is forgotten... Nuri, thank you thank you for letting me know... wooooowwww.... indeed! that is a precious song to me, thank you for digging it too.... >Dear Kate, I had to post this one to the list and not off-list because i wanted everyone to know that i JUST HEARD A SONG BY KATE BENNETT ON THE RADIO!!! It's a late night radio show in a very popular radio station named Galgalatz - i don't know how the show is called, i don't even think it has a name, i think they just call it great music untill dawn. I hardly ever listen to the radio but tonight, like 5 in the morning, i did, and when the voice said "Here's a delightful song named "Indigo Blue" by the American indie-folk songwriter and musician Kate Bennett", i was like "Woooowwwww!", and then i heard your song and now i'm like "Woooowww-woooowwww-woooowwwww!!!". Kate - that was the first time i ever heard your voice and music and you are amazing. The song is lovely. Lovely! So there - Kate Bennett in Israel and i demand USA musicians involvement in the middle-east conflict. Thank you Kate, Hugs, Nuri ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #335 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------