From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #334 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 14 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 334 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: One Night Only [Victor Johnson ] Re: The Paz Train Ride [PassScribe@aol.com] Paz - one night only ["Anita Tedder" ] Attn. Sherelle, Claudia, et al... [waytoblue@comcast.net] Joni Mitchell never lies [Kate ] power njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Another NYC Joni tribute ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Another NYC Joni tribute [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Another NYC Joni tribute [Victor Johnson ] Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion [Andeemac2006 ] Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Brenda ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Bob Muller ] Re: (njc) Path to 9/11 [Brenda ] Re: (NJC) we need MORE LIBRARIES!! [Brenda ] Re: njc, US POLITICS [Brenda ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Brenda ] Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion [Brenda ] Re: (njc) Path to 9/11... Kiefer's mom as Albright [Brenda ] RE: (njc) Path to 9/11 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (njc) Path to 9/11 [Brenda ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Brenda ] Re: Lovley NP's [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Lovley NP's - NJC [Brenda ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Lovley NP's - NJC [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion [Brenda ] Re: Lovley NP's - NJC [Brenda ] Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Lovley NP's - NJC [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: One Night Only All aboard..........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:19:11 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The Paz Train Ride In a message dated 9/13/06 3:34:10 AM, > From: Michael Paz > Subject: One Night Only > > This just in kids. I am booked to ride the train again. This time leaving > from New Orleans at the crack of dawn (please Smurph that joke is so old) > and ride the train playing music and having a good old time with whistle > stops in Meridian, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlottesville and then on to > Washington D.C. > Geeezzzz.... if I was close enough to the route, I know I'D certainly be there. Hope all you lucky JMDLers who attend take some photos & post them. Good luck, Michael... you deserve this treat! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:34:12 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Paz - one night only Paz wrote: "I will be free on Friday night for a mini-fest ( Sherelle, Lori, Claudia, any other DC'ers) and play music either at my hotel or anywheres. I was also thinking that if anyone wants to hop on the train along the way (Cindy, Gisele, Muller, Victor.... Anyone) I can get some free passes on the train from the Amtrak guy." Paz  do you know Scotty who might beam me over? Big love Anita xx Np  "Some will tell you where they've been they'll tell you where to go, but till you get to Paz's gig you'll never really know" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:33:13 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Attn. Sherelle, Claudia, et al... I'm going to hop on Paz's crazy train (who in their right mind wouldn't?) but will need lodging in DC, Friday night. If anyone might be able to put me up (and possibly my girlfriend, Ahdayneekay) please contact me asap. I can be reached at this email and/or Paz knows how to get in touch with me. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:41:04 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Joni Mitchell never lies Would the person who mailed me the bumper sticker some time ago please email me offlist? I have misplaced the envelope containing your return address! Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:17:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: power njc Yes, and I'm not defending their actions or non actions in anyway. Just for a nano second seeing the common thread of humanity that runs through all of us, even the most nefarious cold hearted & self serving of them... :~} >Kate wrote: > I agree that that kind of intense crisis decision making is something > I'd not wish on anyone. Ah ... but they wished it for themselves, did they not? They wanted these positions of power. Maybe they got more than they bargained for, but ... you pays your nickel ... Lori Santa Rosa, CA< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:22:48 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Another NYC Joni tribute Coffee House, the new cabaret series presented at New York City's Daryl Roth Theatre Complex's D-Lounge, will continue Sept. 26 with an evening celebrating the music of Joni Mitchell. Among those scheduled to interpret the tunes of the famed singer-songwriter are Lisa Asher, Brandon Cutrell, Sarajean Devenport, Baby Jane Dexter, Tim DiPasqua, Michael Holland, Karen Mack, Liz McCartney and Rachel Ulanet. Show time is 7 PM. Phil Geoffrey Bond will direct the concert, which will feature musical direction by Ray Fellman. Joni Mitchell's numerous songs include "Both Sides Now," "Eastern Rain," "A Case of You," "The Circle Game," "Big Yellow Taxi," "All I Want," "River" and "Chelsea Morning." Liz McCartney starred on Broadway in Mamma Mia!, Taboo, Les Misirables, The Phantom of the Opera and the short-lived musical Dance of the Vampires. She also spent nearly two years in the Boston production of Nunsense, and her regional credits include Paint Your Wagon, The Rocky Horror Show and Fifty Million Frenchmen. McCartney was recently seen Off-Broadway in the musical Bingo. The Daryl Roth Theatre is located at 101 E. 15th Street. There is a $10 cover charge and a two-drink minimum for each evening. Call (212) 375-1110, ext. 3 for reservations or e-mail dloungeroth@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:34:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Another NYC Joni tribute Lucky all of you who can go, This is a wonderful venue. We saw Sandra Bernhard there this summer. Jerry > Coffee House, the new cabaret series presented at New York City's Daryl Roth > Theatre Complex's D-Lounge, will continue Sept. 26 with an evening > celebrating the music of Joni Mitchell. > > Among those scheduled to interpret the tunes of the famed singer-songwriter > are Lisa Asher, Brandon Cutrell, Sarajean Devenport, Baby Jane Dexter, Tim > DiPasqua, Michael Holland, Karen Mack, Liz McCartney and Rachel Ulanet. Show > time is 7 PM. > > Phil Geoffrey Bond will direct the concert, which will feature musical > direction by Ray Fellman. > > Joni Mitchell's numerous songs include "Both Sides Now," "Eastern Rain," "A > Case of You," "The Circle Game," "Big Yellow Taxi," "All I Want," "River" > and "Chelsea Morning." > > Liz McCartney starred on Broadway in Mamma Mia!, Taboo, Les Misirables, The > Phantom of the Opera and the short-lived musical Dance of the Vampires. She > also spent nearly two years in the Boston production of Nunsense, and her > regional credits include Paint Your Wagon, The Rocky Horror Show and Fifty > Million Frenchmen. McCartney was recently seen Off-Broadway in the musical > Bingo. > > The Daryl Roth Theatre is located at 101 E. 15th Street. There is a $10 > cover charge and a two-drink minimum for each evening. Call (212) 375-1110, > ext. 3 for reservations or e-mail dloungeroth@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:47:03 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Another NYC Joni tribute Hey Les, Could you ask them to sing happy birthday for me. thanks, Victor On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Coffee House, the new cabaret series presented at New York City's > Daryl Roth > Theatre Complex's D-Lounge, will continue Sept. 26 with an evening > celebrating the music of Joni Mitchell. > > Among those scheduled to interpret the tunes of the famed singer- > songwriter > are Lisa Asher, Brandon Cutrell, Sarajean Devenport, Baby Jane > Dexter, Tim > DiPasqua, Michael Holland, Karen Mack, Liz McCartney and Rachel > Ulanet. Show > time is 7 PM. > > Phil Geoffrey Bond will direct the concert, which will feature musical > direction by Ray Fellman. > > Joni Mitchell's numerous songs include "Both Sides Now," "Eastern > Rain," "A > Case of You," "The Circle Game," "Big Yellow Taxi," "All I Want," > "River" > and "Chelsea Morning." > > Liz McCartney starred on Broadway in Mamma Mia!, Taboo, Les > Misirables, The > Phantom of the Opera and the short-lived musical Dance of the > Vampires. She > also spent nearly two years in the Boston production of Nunsense, > and her > regional credits include Paint Your Wagon, The Rocky Horror Show > and Fifty > Million Frenchmen. McCartney was recently seen Off-Broadway in the > musical > Bingo. > > The Daryl Roth Theatre is located at 101 E. 15th Street. There is a > $10 > cover charge and a two-drink minimum for each evening. Call (212) > 375-1110, > ext. 3 for reservations or e-mail dloungeroth@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:04:09 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" A Breepublican wrote: It is ...(with the premise this is indeed war on terror) like a cat and mouse game....simple in a way....a game we have to play..the West....I wish it were different...but I see no end in sight. Hi Tweety, Yes, the terrorist mouse wants the big bad Texass puddy tat to chase it because mousey has rabbies. The looney tunes keep singing no regrets Wile E. Coyote as Sylvester is tried, but Rosamadrunner hasn't been caught. The question remains, "what's up doc?" Love, Bugs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion Hi brenda, ok I accept what you say, this is ok on one level of the event 9/11. Now isnt it truthfull to say that our Armed forces the CIA FBI ASA and the Adminstration of the day's job is to protect the People living in the United States full stop ?????????? as I have said the British Gov has had to fight the IRA for two centuries now and they didnt win, debate discussion and appeasment won the day. It was in the end, it was a policing force that solved the problem. I dont think that Al Queda or Iraq is the issue here, if it was the american govt would be sorting out Africa before that continent becomes the new Middle East, but this administration including Bolton does not care about AFRICA does it?? Some right wing Republicans are saying we should withhold the American contribution to the UN, ( because of the UN's attitude to the Middle east as a whole) they cant see what good the UN is doing to the poorer areas of the world, like Africa. No all they can see is Iraq Iraq and Iran and Iran. We are not at war. is there food rationing, is there a curfew, Oil conservation, is everyday life for 200 million people living in t he USA affected one day to the next by Al Queda, NO no no The USA has the most sophisticated national defence system of any country of the world and has had this for 40 years or more My point is following on from the above "the war on Terrorism does not exist its not important " the american troops could pull out tommorow and there would be a Civil war but nothing else. Take out Iranian Nuclear sites by cruise missiles yes but no Arab country is capable of threating the USA. Hell they could not beat Isreal with conventional forces twice in living memory "the seven day war" What I am saying is that the whole " war on terror " is for the benifit of the Republican party they feed of it its the living embodyment of there existence, the best thing to ever happen to their party dontyou think ?? This is why I suspect this programme being shown now is so suspect, the Democrats dont care really if it was not shown it doesnt show them up in a bad light. I mean what percentage of the US population died on 9/11 less than .5 of a per cent. It was tragic the events of those days and the Remembrance should happen properly, this is another issue that is tragic, where is the monument for the dead why hast it been erected in there honour on the former WTC site, 5 years on, they could have built one, up and till the time when the new buildings were built, but no the Republican administration get away with this as well!!!!!!!!! was it the cost??? No the Republicans say we are honouring the WTC dead by whats happening in Iraq ???? dont you think this premise is appauling. These same Republicans have the nerve to insinuate the Democrats would not have fought back and invaded Afganistan and would have appeased the Terrorists, when it was a Republican Administration that dropped the ball, I mean how did a Plane fly into the Pentagon, I thought they had missiles on the roof?????? So for pete's sake how do they turn all this round as a vote winner for them the Republican party ??? It was the Democratic party that forced the issue of the Ports ownership hell Bush could not see anything wrong ???? The clincher for me is they didnt show Bush in front of a class of children just sitting there for 10 minutes after a Security man had told him "New York under attack" he didnt make his excuses and leave imediatley, no he just sat there for another 10 min. Why wasnt this shown, i feel sure M Moore would have given ABC the footage. sorry but your all a bit slow on the uptake if you think this was an Unbiast reflection of what happend . IE Fox News though it was great !!!!! Lastly some might say well G W Bush is the President and its not healthy to mock the Presidents image on TV, but they Mocked Bill Clinton and he is also a President, once again no fair play there. I would love it if CNN or Sundance or some channel showed a biast programme the other way arround, hell it would not have to be biast. like Bush in conference before 9/11, what Rice said to Cheney and the adminstration inner circle about Pilots learning only to fly not land, about the Intel coming from the Middle East supporters of America, what were these people discussing for weeks leading up to 9/11 why isnt this being fictionally show on TV Cable, Would your freind at ABC have the courage to show this fictional film documentry. My bet is no a thousand times no. You see!!!can you follow my thread this whole programe was BIAST against the Democratic party at a time the Republican party is trying to stir up public awarness of a pointless war saying " we are determined to win WIN!!! can someone tell me what winning exactly means these Iraq people are not Christians they follow a totaly different Religion, is winning converting them all to Christianity??? "You cant fool all the people all of the time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:38:30 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: power njc > Yes, and I'm not defending their actions or non actions in anyway. Just for > a nano second seeing the common thread of humanity that runs through all of > us, even the most nefarious cold hearted & self serving of them... :~} This morning as I rode my motorcycle south on the 101, from home in Santa Rosa to work in San Rafael, I thought I spotted Dick Cheney in a red SUV. Must've been ... on the rear window was a large decal that looked like the familiar Intel circle logo. Inside the circle it said: "Evil inside" That was Dick in the SUV, right? ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA (actually at my desk in San Rafael at the moment) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:53:58 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" Whatever it takes..Lori. Although..I doubt they would want a out of shape fifty year old. BUT ..I would lay down my life for freedom...because without freedom there is no life worth living ...in my world anyway. Do you deny that the goal of the Muslim extremists is to make the whole middle east one totalitarian state? And...to so disrupt the United states that we can/t come back from the mayhem that will surely happen with the next attack? You know...I haven't been totally happy with President Bush...far from it..but Bush is NOT my enemy...those wanting jihad are. It is a terrible terrible thing that the young must do the dirty work...from innocent childhood ... hardly a stone throw from that innocence ....to be thrust into hell/war....but hasn't that always been the way? I wish it could be Jonifest everyday...I wish the way of the world was different...but all the wishing isn't going to change a darn thing. Do we take the Muslim extremists at their words...that is the reality for me? Bree >Bree wrote: > > > I was left with the conclusion that America has very real enemies....and >we must > > go on the offensive and be prepared. > >We must go on the offensive? Who is "we," Bree? You and me? Or do we >leave going on the offensive to our young people in uniform? > >Bah. > >Lori >Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:58:30 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" Are you sure? I didn't think there are that many conservatives in the country. ;-) Bree > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> ABC provided 900 DVDs of the film to conservatives, > > > > Then how did someone from the Hollywood Reporter manage to review it on > > Thursday? > > Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:04:00 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Path to 9/11 Mary, Just a couple of points because I really don't care to give this thing much more of my time. First, I did not find the program to be polarizing, although much of the discussion about it has been. O'Neill is portrayed as the "hero" of the story who is consistently hampered by bureaucracy. In both administrations. What I took away from it is that bureaucracy and turf wars have left us unprotected with few of the recommendations implemented. Still. Secondly, there wasn't a short disclaimer at the beginning. There was a rather lengthy disclaimer on screen for a long time and in multiple spots throughout the program. Stylistically it is clearly a drama. I guess I just don't think that the numbers among the "many" who would be confused is nearly as great as you do. Brenda n.p.: Cafe Tacuba - "Las Flores" blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: > This is a made-for-TV film that purports to be based on historical fact. There are recreations of traumatic events that people remember with searing clarity. Yes, there is/was a short disclaimer at the very beginning, but I guess I'm not sure that people will remember that in the heat of the their viewing experience. A lot will look awfully familiar, and viewers know that those familiar things are true, because they remember them. Why not assume, then, that it's *all* true? > > The "many" refers to many of those viewing the movie, under the circumstances I described. The harm I think may be done is the assumption that everything portrayed in the movie actually happened, when, according to both the principals indignant at their portrayal and the makers of the movie, who have admitted that certain controversial scenes were ad libbed on the spot, that's clearly not the case. And that may polarize the nation more than it already is, if that's possible. > > However, since I haven't seen the movie, and you have, you've obviously got the edge on me in describing the tenor of the show. > > Mary. > > > > > >> From: Brenda >> Date: 2006/09/11 Mon PM 05:32:23 CDT >> To: blckcrow@chorus.net >> CC: kbhla@sbcglobal.net, joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" >> >> >> >> blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: >> >>> You mention that you're surprised that so many are protesting the miniseries without having seen it. Well, with the exception of those individuals and entities who were given advance copies (and those appear to have been conservative in rather significant proportions), NO ONE has >>> seen it! We're all operating blind, based on news reports and statements of those who tell us that incidents in the miniseries involving them either didn't happen in the way they were portrayed, or didn't happen at all. I'm reading my accounts from news sources I trust, and which are well-established. Should we halt our protests until the show airs, and irreparable harm has been done by biased, inaccurate depictions in a "docudrama" that many watching aren't going to separate from fact? >>> >> Who are the "many" and what harm do you think is going to be done? I >> watched the show last night in its entirety and it is clearly a >> dramatization. One thing I did see that I hadn't given much >> consideration to before was the effort and coordination it took to >> capture Ramsey Yousef. As someone who did not live in New York when >> that happened, I know it did not register with me in the same way >> Oklahoma and 9/11 did. >> >> Brenda >> >> n.p.: Thievery Corporation - "Holographic Universe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:11:06 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > We have much bigger threats in the USA besides terrorism; smoking, > traffic, alcohol, guns just to name a few that cause over 500,000 deaths > here every year, and yet 9/11 "changed everything forever". I think one difference though Bob is that these things are actually within our own personal power and will to control. We can choose not to smoke or to drink and drive. I wish more people would make those choices. Lately, there have been some news stories about the alarming rate at which HIV is spreading among African-American women. It's fairly astounding. AIDS has become the leading cause of death among black women in America, yet the much of the conversation about AIDS is focused on Africa. And again, we can make choices... to be honest with partners about sexual activity instead of being "on the downlow," to disclose positive status, to wear condoms. Someone who wants to contaminate water or park a truck with a bomb in front of a building... our own personal actions will have a far lesser impact in stopping those people. Brenda n.p.: Cafe Tacuba - "Esa Noche" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats Excellent point and I agree (secondhand smoke notwithstanding), but the underlying thing is that even though our chance of getting killed in a car crash is FAR greater than being killed by an act of terrorism, we climb in our cars anyway because our FEAR of driving doesn't get stoked as much as our fear of terrorism. Remember how everyone freaked with that anthrax thing a couple years back? And there was what, one person who actually died and she was on her deathbed anyway if I remember correctly. And people were actually wrapping their homes in plastic sheeting and duct tape out of fear? It seems to displace rational thinking is all, that was the crux of my point. The Bush administration has played that fear card over and over again, luckily it seems that fewer and fewer are willing to play along. Bob, always ready to 'duck and cover' and stocking my bomb shelter with much Joni NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Froggy Went A Courtin'" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:37 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: (njc) Path to 9/11 Kate Bennett wrote: > I think I expected her to look worse than she actually was portrayed (given > the preshow gossip & publicity)- I also expected her to have more 'on > screen' time. The first time I recall she was onscreen was when she demoted > Clarke (who by the way was a very realistic portrayal- as to mannerisms etc > imo) Was there a scene I am forgetting with O'Neil? You are correct. It was the scene with O'Neill that I was thinking of. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:50:27 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: (NJC) we need MORE LIBRARIES!! Lori Fye wrote: > > Well now, there's something that probably most of us can agree on! I, too, > love libraries and have made it a point to get a library card as soon as I > move to a new place. (I've lived a lot of places, and I have a lot of > cards.) Since moving to CA, I've gotten a San Francisco card and a Sonoma > County card, and I use them both. > > Libraries ROCK. > Libraries do rock. And I have a stack of library cards for every place that I've lived, including my very first card for the regional branch I used to visit as a child in Ohio. In addition to discovering books and authors, I also discovered and listened to so much music at that library... from Louis Armstrong to Todd Rundgren to Isaac Hayes to Shostakovich. I'm never without a valid and much used library card. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:58:12 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, US POLITICS dsknyc05 wrote: > Oh, yes, I do. I've read your email quickly and will > respond soon, probably not until tomorrow or the next > day. There's a lot to mull over, and I'm wondering now > about the overarching ideas, rather than a point by > point discussion... now, though, I have to run and > vote in the NY primary. > > Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts. > I just looked at my email and see so many messages > with exclamation points... wow. > > 'til later then. > Debra, I was going to write "anytime" but I must confess that all this political stuff gives me a kopvaitek. It's not even why I came back to the list! But I promise I will do my best, even if it may take some time. B n.p.: Goldfrapp - "Ride A White Horse" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:14:36 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats Bob Muller wrote: > The Bush administration has played that fear card > over and over again, luckily it seems that fewer > and fewer are willing to play along. > But Bob, it's not just the government. Look at CNN for example. Or any of the news channels for that matter. The music and the graphics that they use seem specifically aimed at ramping up emotions. And I think the hysteria that can froth up from some the blogs has only made matter worse. It's everywhere. It seems more and more to me that we live in a world where the extremes that polarize get most of the attention while most of us live in the middle somewhere with more to agree on than we imagine because of all the stuff put between us. B n.p.: Goldfrapp - "Let It Take You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:29:36 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion Andeemac2006 wrote: > > You see!!!can you follow my thread this whole programe was BIAST > against the Democratic party at a time the Republican party is trying > to stir up public awarness of a pointless war saying " we are > determined to win WIN!!! can someone tell me what winning exactly > means these Iraq people are not Christians they follow a totaly > different Religion, is winning converting them all to Christianity??? > > "You cant fool all the people all of the time" > Andeemac, Frankly I find it difficult to follow your thread though I assure you that I am far from "a bit slow on the uptake." I don't think statements with several question marks behind them are meant to be real questions to invite discussion but rather rants, which you are of course free to do. My final words to you on this issue are that I don't give a hot flying damn what Fox News has to say about anything. I don't watch that channel and I know how to make up my own mind. It doesn't bother me that Bush sitting in the classroom was left out of the film. Who didn't see that when it happened? It was everywhere. Whether you find bias in it or not, I don't believe that this program will have much effect if any on the upcoming elections. The first night 12 million watched it. How many of those are even registered voters? Congressional races are won and lost locally. When was the last time there was food rationing and curfew in the United States? Lastly, there SHOULD be oil and gas conservation. Whether anyone tells us to do it or not. I've got my bike and my bus pass. How about you? Brenda n.p.: Goldfrapp - "Slide In" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:30:32 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: (njc) Path to 9/11... Kiefer's mom as Albright Bree Mcdonough wrote: > What about Madame Albright? The woman who portrayed her was not > unlike the wicked witch of the west ....that voice especially. A bit > over the top? (keifer Sutherland's mother) I didn't think so particularly. She at least sounded competent. But she didn't have that Walter Mondale like sleepy eyed thing that Albright has... I think they're secret twins... B n.p.: Goldfrapp - "KoKo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats > But Bob, it's not just the government. Look at > CNN for example. Or any > of the news channels for that matter. But the government sets the tone for the news channels to follow, right? When the terror threat gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of course that's what they're going to report. (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course - - they always get top priority). while > most of us live in the > middle somewhere with more to agree on than we > imagine because of all > the stuff put between us. Absolutely! And hopefully a leader will emerge that can capitalize on this. I truly think America can re-unite. I'm recalling how much I dug Barack Obama's speech at the DNC where he drove that point home again and again. Nothing would make me happier if our country was heading in a positive direction and our leader, be they Dem, Repub, Libertarian, Green, or whatever was taking us in that direction. I don't think that is currently the case. And I'm always happier to talk about music, which is typically not so divisive, but I've learned to just go with the flow of the conversation of this silly place. Bob NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:06:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: (njc) Path to 9/11 >You are correct. It was the scene with O'Neill that I was thinking of. B< Well, now I don't remember the scene you mentioned... oh, well.. it was a just tv show... gotta let it go & get back to the music! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:12:16 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: (njc) Path to 9/11 Hear, hear! B Kate Bennett wrote: >> You are correct. It was the scene with O'Neill that I was thinking of. >> > > B< > > Well, now I don't remember the scene you mentioned... oh, well.. it was a > just tv show... gotta let it go & get back to the music! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:22:21 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats Bob Muller wrote: > But the government sets the tone for the news > channels to follow, right? When the terror threat > gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed > attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom > clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of > course that's what they're going to report. > (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course > - they always get top priority). > She doesn't even have to be hot. I disagree that the government sets the tone. The members of government are newsmakers and they contribute to the agenda, but I'm talking about the presentation- the length of stories and balance among stories, the colors and styles of graphics, types of voiceovers, tempo and styles of music, etc. Yes, the media reports on what the government does or says but the government doesn't dictate how they do that or for how long. Compare the NewsHour to CNN's The Situation Room or The Fox Report. The NewsHour isn't sexy, but I don't ever feel like they are trying to manipulate the audience. I can't say that for the others. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Lovley NP's Bob wrote: "NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" Oh, Bob, lately your NP's are pure heaven. I know you love RHP - so i guess you already own their 1999 "Retrospective" album? And need i say the lable is...:) Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:58:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion But Brenda, so many citizens ARE influenced by Fox News that I HAVE to be concerned with what they say because those citizens vote for the people who "govern." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:59:33 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Lovley NP's - NJC Nuri, I hope 4AD has you on the payroll! B Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Bob wrote: > > "NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" > > Oh, Bob, lately your NP's are pure heaven. > I know you love RHP - so i guess you already own their 1999 "Retrospective" album? And need i say the lable is...:) > > Nuri > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:54:51 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats In a message dated 9/13/2006 8:52:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: But the government sets the tone for the news Bob, your assertion is worthy of a thread unto itself. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:22:56 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" > Whatever it takes..Lori. Although..I doubt they would want a out of shape > fifty year old. BUT ..I would lay down my life for freedom...because > without freedom there is no life worth living ...in my world anyway. First Bree ... when the heck did you turn 50? ; ) Second, it's very easy to say you would lay down your life for freedom. Lots of people say that, but I don't see them lining up to join the military. Why is that? The pay's not very good? (It's not, considering the ultimate risk you agree to take when you take the oath.) I did my 10+ years in the Air Force and I got out after I realized I'm NOT willing to kill someone else, or die, for some old men's agenda. > Do we take the Muslim extremists at their words...that is the reality for me? Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, any sort of extremists ... what's the difference? There is no difference. Maybe a better word for all of them would be "excremists." The thing is, Bree, our "war on terror" has turned into a war against a specific religion. Is that really what we want? Everyday in my Inbox I receive some sort of garbage telling me I need to hate all Muslims. Not just extremists, but ALL Muslims. How sick is that? I should hate someone because s/he believes in something other than what I believe? If that's the case ... I should start killing all Republicans immediately, shouldn't I? Personally, I would like to see people put less stock in organized religion and more stock in their own personal faith. I'm 100% supportive of a person's right to believe in and practice her (or his) faith or system of belief, whatever it is. Everyday, though, I understand less and less the need for people to gather together with others who believe what they do, and pray or whatever together, and then ... go out and try to make someone else believe in their shit. Otoh, it's not just religion ... it's economic and political systems, too. You MUST want to live in a capitalist, democratic society, mustn't you? Why not? Ours is the best! What's wrong with you? What we do in the name of "spreading freedom" is little different from what "they" do in the name of Allah or Marxism or who- or whatever. First we try to sell the ideas of personal freedom and economic freedom, and next comes the sale of Christianity. It's all the same sales pitch, except that it eventually comes under threat of death if you don't "buy" into it. Everyone on earth seems to be trying to convince someone else that they should believe, or live, differently. Why can't people just leave one another alone? All I am saying is ... give peas a chance. ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Kate Bennett At Once!!! Dear Kate, I had to post this one to the list and not off-list because i wanted everyone to know that i JUST HEARD A SONG BY KATE BENNETT ON THE RADIO!!! It's a late night radio show in a very popular radio station named Galgalatz - i don't know how the show is called, i don't even think it has a name, i think they just call it great music untill dawn. I hardly ever listen to the radio but tonight, like 5 in the morning, i did, and when the voice said "Here's a delightful song named "Indigo Blue" by the American indie-folk songwriter and musician Kate Bennett", i was like "Woooowwwww!", and then i heard your song and now i'm like "Woooowww-woooowwww-woooowwwww!!!". Kate - that was the first time i ever heard your voice and music and you are amazing. The song is lovely. Lovely! So there - Kate Bennett in Israel and i demand USA musicians involvement in the middle-east conflict. Thank you Kate, Hugs, Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Lovley NP's - NJC Brenda wrote: "Nuri, I hope 4AD has you on the payroll!" Ha! They should be so lucky!:) Oh and, Brenda'le, don't think i've missed your recent NP: Thievery Corporation either, fortunately NOT in the "music you listen to while fucking" thread which was started by Cassy, who, apparently, became VERY inspired by the foolish men and women that answered her, because since then she has vanished and is probably busy doing a LOT OF MUSIC. Hugs, Nuri Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Bob wrote: > > "NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" > > Oh, Bob, lately your NP's are pure heaven. > I know you love RHP - so i guess you already own their 1999 "Retrospective" album? And need i say the lable is...:) > > Nuri > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats On this, Brenda and I agree. The media has become lazy and just feeds us what they are being fed. It is no longer the fashion to do in depth digging on issues, but "gotcha" stories about who smoked dope 30 years ago, or slept with the nanny. Jerry Brenda wrote: > Bob Muller wrote: >> But the government sets the tone for the news >> channels to follow, right? When the terror threat >> gets raised to "Orange" and talk of proposed >> attacks and strikes in the USA and mushroom >> clouds are preached from the bully pulpit, of >> course that's what they're going to report. >> (Unless there's a hot dead white girl, of course >> - they always get top priority). >> > > She doesn't even have to be hot. > > I disagree that the government sets the tone. The members of government > are newsmakers and they contribute to the agenda, but I'm talking about > the presentation- the length of stories and balance among stories, the > colors and styles of graphics, types of voiceovers, tempo and styles of > music, etc. Yes, the media reports on what the government does or says > but the government doesn't dictate how they do that or for how long. > Compare the NewsHour to CNN's The Situation Room or The Fox Report. > > The NewsHour isn't sexy, but I don't ever feel like they are trying to > manipulate the audience. I can't say that for the others. > > B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:18:25 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC 9/11 / my real opinion Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > But Brenda, so many citizens ARE influenced by Fox News that I HAVE to be > concerned with what they say because those citizens vote for the people who > "govern." > Sure David and there are people who are influenced by "Democracy Now. " There are people who watch, read or listen to multiple news sources. It's all a matter of choice that we are free to make. And all people in this country eligible to vote by age, citizenship, lack of felony record, etc. and who DO indeed vote, vote for the people who govern. In my own experiences, I have been surprised by some of the people who watch Fox News for news without watching O'Reilly, Hannity & Colmes and the like. Some of them are far more liberal than I am! And I assure you, I'd be qualified as a "moderate" on most issues. I'd suggest that you not look down on the people who watch Fox unless you feel confident that you absolutely know who they are, not just who you perceive them to be. And that you know that Fox News is their only news source. What I've come to acknowledge and accept is that "those citizens" aren't necessarily so different from me. They aren't somehow less intelligent or less "well read" or less able to reason or somehow lacking in common sense when it comes to what they want in government. Nor are they "blinded" by propaganda. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't. But mostly we've all had to choose between the lesser of two lesser thans. Just the fact that they watch Fox News doesn't mean that they are hypnotized by the far right and can't make up their own minds, does it? I welcome any hard data you can present that would suggest that this is true. By the way, I don't consider the presidential elections of 2000 or 2004 to be compelling data because the Democrat candidates were NOT inspiring. That someone like Barack Obama who has so little experience and was virtually unknown could steal the thunder of the 2004 convention spoke volumes about the leadership of the Democratic Party. Where is it? Hillary even skeeves Democrats out. Kerry can't win and Edwards seems smarmy. None of them have the charisma of Bill. Obama does but it's too soon for him. I hate lesser of two lessers campaigns. And I wish I could see the end of it, but right now I don't, at least not with 2008. Maybe 2012. B RIP - Ann Richards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:21:08 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Lovley NP's - NJC Oh NURI! You just made me laugh so hard. Cassy did "get ghost" didn't she? B Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Brenda wrote: "Nuri, I hope 4AD has you on the payroll!" > > Ha! They should be so lucky!:) > > Oh and, Brenda'le, don't think i've missed your recent NP: Thievery Corporation either, fortunately NOT in the "music you listen to while fucking" thread which was started by Cassy, who, apparently, became VERY inspired by the foolish men and women that answered her, because since then she has vanished and is probably busy doing a LOT OF MUSIC. > > Hugs, > > Nuri > > > Nuriel Tobias wrote: > >> Bob wrote: >> >> "NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" >> >> Oh, Bob, lately your NP's are pure heaven. >> I know you love RHP - so i guess you already own their 1999 "Retrospective" album? And need i say the lable is...:) >> >> Nuri >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com >> > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: NJC Re: Bigger Threats Jerry wrote: "The media has become lazy and just feeds us what they are being fed. It is no longer the fashion to do in depth digging on issues, but "gotcha" stories about who smoked dope 30 years ago, or slept with the nanny. Hey, something is very unwell here because i did both things and ABC still won't to contact my agent! Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Lovley NP's - NJC lol! Well, what else can a woman from Dearborn Heights do? Listen to her son playing his guitar? Nuri Brenda wrote: "h NURI! You just made me laugh so hard. Cassy did "get ghost" didn't she?" uriel Tobias wrote: Brenda wrote: "Nuri, I hope 4AD has you on the payroll!" Ha! They should be so lucky!:) Oh and, Brenda'le, don't think i've missed your recent NP: Thievery Corporation either, fortunately NOT in the "music you listen to while fucking" thread which was started by Cassy, who, apparently, became VERY inspired by the foolish men and women that answered her, because since then she has vanished and is probably busy doing a LOT OF MUSIC. Hugs, Nuri Nuriel Tobias wrote: Bob wrote: "NP: Red House Painters, "Strawberry Hill" Oh, Bob, lately your NP's are pure heaven. I know you love RHP - so i guess you already own their 1999 "Retrospective" album? And need i say the lable is...:) Nuri --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:59:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Tell ABC "We Don't Need No More Lies!" >First Bree ... when the heck did you turn 50? ; ) About a year ago...and it 's been heck ever since. No.. my life is better ...this is just the beginning...and this isn't crappolla. ;-) >Second, it's very easy to say you would lay down your life for freedom. >Lots of people say that, but I don't see them lining up to join the >military. Why is that? The pay's not very good? (It's not, considering >the ultimate risk you agree to take when you take the oath.) >I did my 10+ years in the Air Force and I got out after I realized I'm NOT >willing to kill someone else, or die, for some old men's agenda. I would give up my life for somthing I loved more than myself...freedom...my love....I believe I would. But true... I have never been put to the test. > > Do we take the Muslim extremists at their words...that is the reality >for me? > >Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, any sort of >extremists ... what's the difference? There is no difference. Flying planes into buildings. Many more examples... but at fifty one and this late hour..i have to hit the hay. > If that's the >case ... I should start killing all Republicans immediately, shouldn't I? Only the country club ones. No...seriously..I do want to read this again in the daylight hours when I'm no so tired. I like you Lori..I hope to see you at the fest. Bree >Lori >Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #334 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------