From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 326 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Attention, Jack Neilson fans! Listen to WPR this Sunday! [] Re: njc, Rose Royce [Brenda ] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [Em ] Re: njc, Rose Royce [Em ] Re: njc, Rose Royce/Norman/Temptations [Brenda ] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [Brenda ] Re: njc, Rose Royce/Norman/Temptations [Brenda ] RE: Music from Norway NJC [Bob Muller ] NJC Rose Royce synchro [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Rose Royce synchro [Brenda ] Joni in cultural criticism ["J Harney" ] njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] dan patlansky new album - sample tracks at yousendit - NJC ["ron" Subject: Attention, Jack Neilson fans! Listen to WPR this Sunday! I am taking the liberty and risk of deleting the "NJC" tag on this one, just in case some of the "Joni-onlies" would want this time-sensitive information. Just wanted to let you all know that, at my request, the "Simply Folk" program on Wisconsin Public Radio will be playing a set of Jack Neilson's songs on their listener-request program this Sunday, September 10, between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m., Central time. However, the host has told me that Jack's set will most likely air between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m. Central. The program can be accessed live online Sunday evening at wpr.org. Just go to the website and click on "listen to WPR online" in the upper left-hand corner. You'll be given several listening options: e.g., RealPlayer and Windows Media Player. Simply Folk is carried on both The Ideas Network and WPR's Classical Music Network, so, whether you choose the options on the left side or the right side, you can't go wrong! In short, if you like Jack's music, please tune in to Wisconsin Public Radio on Sunday night, and celebrate a talent who left us far too soon, but who still survives in the work and the many friendships he left behind. Take good care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:29:13 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: Music from Norway NJC Bob wrote: > Oddmund, thanks for the link but I couldn't get it to work. :o( Try this: http://www.mic.no/mic.nsf/doc/art2004120114570096554360 Hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:47:10 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Rose Royce Em wrote: > ps this is very OT, remember we were talking about Rose Royce last > week?? lol... > anyway, i've been doing various things to get my stereo sounding better > (getting it fixed would be one of those things) and I played "CarWash" > to kind of test it. > WOW!!!!!!!! that is one dynamic piece of recorded material! it dances, > it pokes ya, the rhythm guitar tickles you with a feather, veddy nice-ah > That's Norman Whitfield at his best! B n.p.: Nouvelle Vague - "Dancing With Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" I think it would be so very interesting, and valuable, if I (or we) could see through your eyes and feel with your heart to understand the combo of sentiment and thinking behind this. In general I wish all of us could feel what others feel..to try and understand where the HECK they are coming from. Because its not easy. (but ultimately it is worthwhile, I think, to try) Em - --- Brenda wrote:> For years I sat in church with my parents and watched various > Democrats > parade through and make statements about what they were going to do > for > the black community. Very little of it ever materialized. The only > time they came around was when there was an election. So they have a > > long way to go in earning that belief from me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Rose Royce - --- Brenda wrote:> That's Norman Whitfield at his best! > B Em has to wonder yet again about Brenda: WHY is this woman not the President??? anyone with this knowledge of popular music really should be, :D thx for that info. I am off to download some RR, and pay for it, absolutely. Happy Friday all. I am letting go of all the stress, right NOW. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:22:12 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Rose Royce/Norman/Temptations Em wrote: > Em has to wonder yet again about Brenda: > > WHY is this woman not the President??? anyone with this knowledge of > popular music really should be, > :D > thx for that info. I am off to download some RR, and pay for it, > absolutely. > Happy Friday all. I am letting go of all the stress, right NOW. > Em > > You're in for a great weekend if you're going to start it off with that. And if you get a chance listen to the Temptations "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" and "Ball of Confusion." Norman did those too. I'm a total Norman groupie, not only because he's so talented but also because he was one of the first creative people to start and run his own label. I could never be president because my bullshit meter is too low, I've smoked too much bud and too often I've slept with the "wrong" kind of person. But I thank you for the compliment. Happy Friday, B People moving out, people moving in. Why, because of the color of their skin. Run Run Run but you sure can't hide. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth "Vote for me and I'll set you free!" Rap on, brother, rap on. Well the only person talkin' 'bout love thy brother is the preacher And it seems nobody's interested in learning but the teacher Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration, aggravation, humiliation, obligation to our nation. Ball of confusion. That's what the world is today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:33:29 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Em wrote: > I think it would be so very interesting, and valuable, if I (or we) > could see through your eyes and feel with your heart to understand the > combo of sentiment and thinking behind this. > In general I wish all of us could feel what others feel..to try and > understand where the HECK they are coming from. > Because its not easy. > (but ultimately it is worthwhile, I think, to try) > Em > I think it's worthwhile too. And I wish you could. I've wished it many times, particularly when I have been the only "other" in a room. I've also wondered what it must be like to be a member of the majority. What does it feel like to be white in America? Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't be anyone other than exactly who I am. I am my mother's daughter. I am a woman. I am black. I am an American. I proudly own all of it. But it's hard not to imagine what it would feel like if certain things were never a consideration or if I had never gone through some particularly negative experiences related to race. I've never let those things dissuade me because someone else's prejudice is their problem not mine, but they have at times felt like a burden I wish I never knew. Know what I mean? B n.p.: Nouvelle Vague - "Shack Up" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Rose Royce/Norman/Temptations I do adore "Ball of Confusion". I'm gonna download that now too. But I'm afraid its going to sound so "thick" like the Wall of Sound deal with T.T's "Rag Doll" - such that I will not like it sound-wise. We'll see. BOC is awesome coming out of some little box where you're not sorrying about the sound qualty. Maybe I will be suprised and it will sound terrific on the "hifi" too! thx again for the info. (How long since you heard somoone call their stereo a "hifi"???) :) Em - --- Brenda wrote: > > > Em wrote: > > Em has to wonder yet again about Brenda: > > > > WHY is this woman not the President??? anyone with this knowledge > of > > popular music really should be, > > :D > > thx for that info. I am off to download some RR, and pay for it, > > absolutely. > > Happy Friday all. I am letting go of all the stress, right NOW. > > Em > > > > > > You're in for a great weekend if you're going to start it off with > that. And if you get a chance listen to the Temptations "Papa Was A > Rolling Stone" and "Ball of Confusion." Norman did those too. I'm a > > total Norman groupie, not only because he's so talented but also > because > he was one of the first creative people to start and run his own > label. > > I could never be president because my bullshit meter is too low, I've > > smoked too much bud and too often I've slept with the "wrong" kind of > > person. But I thank you for the compliment. > > Happy Friday, > B > > People moving out, people moving in. > Why, because of the color of their skin. > Run > Run > Run but you sure can't hide. > An eye for an eye > A tooth for a tooth > "Vote for me and I'll set you free!" > Rap on, brother, rap on. > Well the only person talkin' 'bout love thy brother is the preacher > And it seems nobody's interested in learning but the teacher > Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration, aggravation, > humiliation, obligation to our nation. > Ball of confusion. > That's what the world is today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:42:17 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Rose Royce/Norman/Temptations Em wrote: > I do adore "Ball of Confusion". I'm gonna download that now too. But > I'm afraid its going to sound so "thick" like the Wall of Sound deal > with T.T's "Rag Doll" - such that I will not like it sound-wise. > We'll see. BOC is awesome coming out of some little box where you're > not sorrying about the sound qualty. Maybe I will be suprised and it > will sound terrific on the "hifi" too! thx again for the info. > (How long since you heard somoone call their stereo a "hifi"???) > :) > Em > I don't know Em... I'm listening to it now on my hifi (heh) and it's a pretty clean mix... those horns are hot! Now if you're downloading a compressed file, then I don't know... B n.p.: Temptations - "Ball of Confusion" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Music from Norway NJC Thanks, Hell - I guess I should have clarified...I could get to the site OK, I couldn't get any of the samples to play. Here at home it worked just fine, but geez, the sample was only about 10 seconds, I couldn't tell much. Bob NP Sufjan Stevens, "Come On! Feel The Illinois! etc. etc. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Rose Royce synchro Have to share this tidbit - Brenda, I was just reading about Rose Royce (thanks to you), and it lists Michael Moore as their saxophone player. Whodathunkit? Bob NP: Dan Fogelberg, "Netherlands" PS: Yes, I know it's a different Michael Moore. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC Rose Royce synchro Bob Muller wrote: > Have to share this tidbit - Brenda, I was just > reading about Rose Royce (thanks to you), and it > lists Michael Moore as their saxophone player. > > Whodathunkit? > > Bob > > NP: Dan Fogelberg, "Netherlands" > > PS: Yes, I know it's a different Michael Moore. > I just conjured this picture of a young, twenty-something Moore trying to blend in with the band and look cool in a rhinestone studded polyester one piece... He did grow up in Michigan so maybe he can get funky, who knows? Heh. B n.p.: The Commodores - "Brick House" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:00:11 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: Joni in cultural criticism This is pretty random, but I thought it might bear a mention. I was excited to see Joni listed in the index of an updated edition of a scholarly work about mass media, THE REPUBLIC OF MASS CULTURE: Journalism, Filmmaking, and Broadcasting in America Since 1941 [3rd ed.] (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 2006) by James L. Baughman. Okay, here's what Mr. Baughman writes: Rock itself split into several directions in the seventies. Although the Beatles broke up in 1970, the British invasion continued. British vocalists Elton John and David Bowie proved to be among the decade's most popular performers. A smaller share of the popular music audience patronized American vocalists like Joni Mitchell, who mixed folk and rock. On stage with a guitar and little else, Mitchell and other singer-songwriters, Ken Tucker writes, "to great care to maintain the illusion of intimacy with their audience." And that was it! Surely you can see why my initial excitement faded after reading that short and rather uninspired analysis. Joni has always maintained that she is a "woman without a country", so I suppose that being cast as an American wouldn't be so bad or bother her too much. But the word "patronized" was what got me, as if listening to Joni's music, whether hearing it live or from a recording played in one's room, could somehow be likened to a lowly consumer task, like selecting an exterminator from the Yellow Pages. (To be fair, I do like the point that is being made about the performer trying to bridge to divide between herself and her audience, but in this case Mr. Baughman could have used an editor leaning over his shoulder.) Well, back to lurkdom for me. All best for the weekend. Jack in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:14:35 -0700 From: Subject: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" It just gets more unbelievable all the time. We have Democrats in Congress writing letters to ABC threatening them. What First Amendment, I guess. Where did the Clinton years go? Have some people really been able to completely erase them from their memories and now get to re-write it to absolve him and his administration from anything to do with Al Queda? The truth is all out there until the day they ban and purge everything from the internet and other sources. The Democrats spent months of time and taxpayer dollars raking Republicans over the coals during the 9/11 commission. This docudrama is based on that report. So now because the report has inconvenient facts of history, it has to be discredited? I want my money back. Vanity Fair, which has become so anti Bush and anti Republicans the past few years even did an extensive report of how Clinton was offered Bin Laden a number of times and turned it down. Our National Security head at the time, Sandy Berger, has been found guilty of stealing classified documents. Why would he need to do that? It goes on and on. Fact is fact and it's all out there until they start the book burnings. They are already on the road to quashing TV content. Incredible. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:03:28 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" What is equally incredible is the howl heard hear over the Reagan biopic which was never claimed to be based on a report which the taxpayers paid millions for. And when CBS dropped it from being shown, I heard no cries of the First Amendment over that. Jerry > It just gets more unbelievable all the time. We have Democrats in > Congress > writing letters to ABC threatening them. What First Amendment, I guess. > Where did the Clinton years go? Have some people really been able to > completely erase them from their memories and now get to re-write it to > absolve him and his administration from anything to do with Al Queda? The > truth is all out there until the day they ban and purge everything from > the > internet and other sources. The Democrats spent months of time and > taxpayer > dollars raking Republicans over the coals during the 9/11 commission. > This > docudrama is based on that report. So now because the report has > inconvenient facts of history, it has to be discredited? I want my money > back. Vanity Fair, which has become so anti Bush and anti Republicans the > past few years even did an extensive report of how Clinton was offered Bin > Laden a number of times and turned it down. Our National Security head at > the time, Sandy Berger, has been found guilty of stealing classified > documents. Why would he need to do that? It goes on and on. Fact is > fact > and it's all out there until they start the book burnings. They are > already > on the road to quashing TV content. Incredible. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:17:10 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: dan patlansky new album - sample tracks at yousendit - NJC hi local guitarist dan patlansky (who nearly hooked up with mr paz but was stopped by katrina) has just released his 3rd album last night. the first two were shite compared to what hes capable of - but this is getting closer. so ive taken two tracks & posted them at yousendit for anyone who may be interested http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=ED9861F36281406D ron np - dan patlansky - blues for new orleans ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #326 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------