From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #324 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 8 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 324 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Michael Hedges ["Anne Sandstrom" ] re: Michael Hedges NJC [Alice Brown ] Various threads (not all Joni) [] re: Michael Hedges NJC [Smurf ] The Prom (njc) [] Re: NJC Sarah Vaughan [Brenda ] Re: And They Vote - Humour - NJC [Brenda ] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Various threads (not all Joni) [] Re: Various threads (not all Joni) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" [Brenda Subject: re: Michael Hedges Ah, so tragic that he's no longer with us. I remember hearing it on the radio the day he died. I saw him live at a rather small venue in Cambridge MA. He did a rousing version of "Come Together" (which also appears on his live album). By the end of the song, we were all standing, no, DANCING on the tables!!!! The recorded version is great, but still doesn't capture quite the energy of the live experience. And to Les I., I saw Pierre Bensusan there too. What a night!!!! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: re: Michael Hedges NJC I found out that he died last year. I was devistated. He was the most mesmerizing guitar player I have ever seen; a beautiful performer. I have a DVD of him playing 5 songs on a Windom Hill compilation; unbelievably powerful. I've searched, but I don't believe that there are ANY other video recordings of him performing. What a tragedy. If anyone out there knows of any other video performances, please let me know. Love, Alice Anne Sandstrom wrote: Ah, so tragic that he's no longer with us. I remember hearing it on the radio the day he died. I saw him live at a rather small venue in Cambridge MA. He did a rousing version of "Come Together" (which also appears on his live album). By the end of the song, we were all standing, no, DANCING on the tables!!!! The recorded version is great, but still doesn't capture quite the energy of the live experience. And to Les I., I saw Pierre Bensusan there too. What a night!!!! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:21:41 -0700 From: Subject: Various threads (not all Joni) My male Joni Mitchell (and I made this determination way back in the '60s) is Van Morrison. Bill Murray gossip - He was an investor in Les Deux Cafes - once a fave Joni haunt in Hollywood that a bunch of us have visited. His son was also one of the bartenders there. Les Deux Cafes suddenly closed up amidst some controversy a few years back but has now been reborn under new ownership as "Les Deux," the new hot spot for Paris, Lindsay Lohan, the assorted Jessicas and the rest LOL. Sarah Vaughn - the best I've ever heard. Saw her singing on a TV show and flipped. Got some front row tickets at a little club at the beach in 1981 to see her and totally flipped and fell out of my chair. Will have to pull Brazilian Romance out and play now. Music to do it by: Ha! I am probably too Irish Catholic to even think of it but can remember seductive music I fell in love (or lust) to - Joni's Blue, Dan Fogelberg, at least two Sergio Mendes albums, Arthur Lee and Love, The Doors (hey, whatever ;-), Led Zeppelin I (yeah, whatever), Cheryl Lynn (that was a lust one), Bill Champlin/Sons of Champlin (probably was really in love with Bill) and you know there are many more. Cat Stevens - Everyone I knew from 1970 to 1973 was in love with him. A bunch of us in college crammed into a Jeep and rode down to Tuscon to see him in '72. He had a complete meltdown on stage early on - started raging at someone in the first few rows and was vehemently flipping them the bird. Then he regained some composure and went on to do an excellent show. Michael Hedges - when he died in 1997 there were several wonderful posts about him here. They can be found in the archives. Other Joni places - Happened to end up at Hal's Bar & Grill in Venice (another JMDLer landmark) last night and of course pointed out Joni's painting there to my friends. Saw that they had changed out a few of the other famous L.A. artist works but Joni's remains. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: re: Michael Hedges NJC - --- Alice Brown wrote: > If > anyone out there knows of any other video > performances, please let me know. Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Michael+Hedges&search=Search - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:59:44 -0700 From: Subject: The Prom (njc) Hee! I went to my "Junior" Prom and it was so boring! We were on some kind of cheesy boat in L.A. Harbor and we were all decked out, you know, and the only thing I got out of it was eating Frog Leg's for the first time ("it's like tiny chicken legs!") We were trying to be oh so sophisticated and "formal" and had planned our "after party" at a local harbor restaurant. At some point in the evening a group of us said "Let's drive up to Malibu!," a good 40 miles away and did so. This was 1971 and we stopped at some point where some hippies had a beach house and were playing the new (first) Chicago album and so we just walked on by down to the beach in our hairsprayed formals and had the real party ;-) The senior prom well, that was another story. Grad Night at Disneyland was the big deal and we smuggled (hoisted) cases of beer through the bus windows to guide us on our way. The good old days, truly LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:03:17 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: NJC Sarah Vaughan Seeing Sarah live at Boston Symphony Hall remains the most moving and inspiring performance of music I have ever witnessed. It's not enough for me to say she is my favorite jazz singer. It goes so far beyond that for me, to the point that when she died my friends gave me sympathy cards! It has been a real pleasure to read all the Sarah love. I'm grateful to all who have joined in. B Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi Clive and Brenda, > > Actually I was lucky enough to get "Sarah Vaughan Sings Michel Legrand" on CD via eBay two years ago. It was hard to buy that rarity of a CD because rabid fans from all over the globe are also keeping their hawk-eyes on it. I knew that previous experience when I lost in previous bids. But thanks to the autosniping mechanism that bids for you automatically. But that's another story. > > Sarah once said she wished someone would write her an opera so she can sing in it the way she always dreamed of, although quite frankly she would be great in tried-and-tested roles such as Polinesso in "Ariodante" or Ortrud in "Lohengrin". The one performance where Sarah showcased her operatic range was in her Grammy-winning "Gershwin Live" album. She did "My Man's Gone Now" with such intensity helped no doubt by the Wagnerian opening of conductor Michael Tilson Thomas. She started slowly with "Myyy man's . . . gooone nowww...." then as the Los Angeles Philharmonic shadowed her grief for her man throughout the song, she ended with a feverish "Since my man . . . since my man . . . is ... goooone!" that made her hit a high note (a high B?) and sustained it for about 7 seconds, then her voice spiralled downwards like a fallen bird bringing with it the pathos of her fruitless search for her lover. Very moving and as close to an grandly operatic performance as it > can get. But don't just rely on my observations, you can hear the thunderous applause and bravos of the audience after that. Chills. > > I also like her to sing Bacharach-Costello songs since I think her style fits the melancholy of most songs, although I would also like her to sing maybe a Joni song. If she acquitted herself in the "Sings Songs of the Beatles" with "Come Together", maybe she can do a breakneck "Banquet" or an ultra slow "Man From Mars". > > I dont know why I like voices of most singers in their final years even if they sound a bit out of tune (although I don't think I will revisit Anita O'Day's recent album anytime soon). Ella's last album called "All that Jazz" in 1990 made me cringe in some parts but I still like the musicality in her approach to songs. That is the part that she always brings to a song even if she had to push herself harder to make it happen. > > Anyone listen to Morgana King's albums? She has a killer set of pipes that seems to achieve a delightful husk in her much later albums. And yes she also starred as Mama Corleone in the Godfather movies. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > np: Dexter Gordon "Don't Explain" > > clive sax a icrit : Hi all, > > haven't piped up for a long long while - Love to Ashara and all. I'm really > enjoying the Sarah Content. I was so impressed by > > Her now-out-of-print "Sings Michel Legrand" is a religious experience, yes? > > I have treated that album as the Sarah Vaughan holy Grail. I have it on Vinyl > and when I moved house in january just gone it was one of the first things I > checked as I unloaded my boxes. Her output during the 70's was lovely. I think > much of that catalogue is owned by a company called mainstream. I often poke > around on the internet seeing if those albums have been re-released. I have 'A > Time in my life' on CD contemporary songs of the day performed with the likes > of Joe Pass, Benny Powell, Dave Grusin and a host of world class sessioners. > My favourite being Carly simons 'That's the Way i've always heard it should > be'. > > It's an interesting question, what would she perform and record if she were > still with us? As it's an unknown I would hate to hazard a guess but I would > have loved her to record some Bacharach and David, A house is not a home/One > less bell to answer, wanting things, God give me strength, would I think have > been quite quite outstanding. As an aside Rene fleming recognized Sarahs > Operatic qualities and believed she would have, had she wanted, made a > wonderful World class Mezzo -Soprano/Contralto . Now there's another question > for all you Sarah fans....Would have rather had Sarah as she was or would you > have preferred her singing all those 'witches bitches and breeches roles' in > all the Great opera houses around the world! > > Clive > > NP Singers unlimited - Since you asked > > > > > --------------------------------- > Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:06:29 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: And They Vote - Humour - NJC Cassy wrote: > > While working at a Pizza Parlor I observed a man ordering a small > pizza to go. He appeared to be alone and the cook asked him if he > would like it cut into 4 pieces or 6. He though about it for some > time before responding. "Just cut it into 4 pieces; I don't think > I'm hungry enough to eat 6 pieces. Yep, he votes too. Isn't this an old Yogi Berra thing? B n.p.: Mind of Mencia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:15:47 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Brenda, you are right that trends have been changing and I will have to eat crow on the 90's% figure. It depends on age groups, the highest, according to surveys by Pew Found. is 85% for age 60-69. The average is 74% for all age groups (2005, TV as their main source of news). In the period between 1995-2002 cable news made the most gains, next was talk radio, followed by online sources. Network news lost the most, newspapers slightly down. If you "follow the money", I think it's safe to say that far more advertising dollars go to TV than anything else. Still a powerful medium-have you ever read "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Mander? Fascinating information about the actual electrical effect of TV and it's ability to physically induce a passive state similar to hypnotism. Anyway, I think these trends are encouraging-for instance Link TV and Democracy Now did not exist a few years ago. And Bill Moyers says "A recent poll showed that an increasing percentage of younger Americans get their news from late night television,"... up to 20% from TV comedy news shows (!)... I agree that opposing views are valuble, the difficulty is getting them on mainstream media at all. There is no left-wing equivelent to Limbaugh-is that because he truly represents that many people's political bent, or because his message is permitted (encouraged) by the corporate ownership? While the opposing views are not presented. (Actually, San Francisco has a very left leaning talk show host with a large following on mega-talk KGO-AM. His show starts at 1am). I'm sure the Karl Roves of this world are sweating this stuff out- there have been moves to regulate the internet, and Clear Channel just asked for more relaxed market share rules. But the propaganda machine grinds on, and, like McDonalds, they're still selling lots of beef products. RR http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=248 http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/talkradio.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" > Randy, > Can you supply a source for your 90-something percent number? Because > overall network and news ratings have been dropping for some time now. > Newspaper circulation numbers have been dropping as well because there are > more alternatives for news and information now then there ever have been. > > Retractions are one thing but the presentation of an opposing view is > another. I think it's one thing to complain (there is certainly no > shortage of that from the left) and another thing to make an effort to > oppose by presenting another view. I know the old quote about not > underestimating the stupidity of the public, but I do believe that people > should have the right to make up their own minds. > > And since this is all being talked about within the context of elections, > I'd find it interesting to learn what percentage of the electorate gets > their news from TV and only TV and not from other sources like radio, web > sites, podcasts, etc. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda" > > I believe that a >> dialogue where people are open and receptive despite their opposing >> views would be progress compared to where it seems we are now. >> B > > Absolutely. But substitute the word 'media' for 'dialogue' in the above > sentence and we're getting more to the crux of the argument. > 90-something percent of the people get their "news" from TV- > surely the most corrupt, propangandistic source imaginable-a monopoly > that shapes the beliefs and emotions of the populace in a way never > before seen in history. These are George Bush's billionaire friends. > I see no reason to let their manipulations stand without challenge. > As to offering an opposing view, you know, once the initial > impression is set, retractions have very little effect. > Should we trust Disney or Clarke? I'll go with Clarke. > These are, after all, the networks that did nothing to challenge the > lies about WMD, two stolen elections, swiftboat smears, and on and > on and on. I think we can expect another whitewash-and I don't > think they will pull it due to complaints from the left, but at least > they will know we're not swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:21:59 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Crikey! njc now Laura the Leadfoot From: > I love listening to music in the car, so I'm never in a hurry to get where > I'm going. Matter of fact, I'm probably a HAZARD because I drive 55 mph in > a 55 zone. Although I always stay in the "slow lane", cars come right up > on my rear and will stay there for miles before going around me. Why? I > have no idea. I think they are listening to your stereo, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:32:23 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Various threads (not all Joni) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Cat Stevens> to see him in '72. He had a complete meltdown on stage > early on - started raging at someone in the first few rows and was > vehemently flipping them the bird. Then he regained some composure and > went on to do an excellent show. wow! > - Happened to end up at Hal's Bar & Grill in Venice (another JMDLer > landmark) last night and of course pointed out Joni's painting there to my > friends. Saw that they had changed out a few of the other famous L.A. > artist works but Joni's remains. wow again-which one is it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:53:36 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Various threads (not all Joni) Hi Randy, You wrote about Cat: > > wow! Yeah, it was a memorable trip down and back and time at the show - heehee! Most everyone was all mellow, ahem, and then suddenly he became like the Incredible Hulk raging on steroids. Then he calmed down and it was all cool again and forgotten. Ha! > wow again-which one is it? It's an unknown abstract from the 1980s. I sent a link to a photo of it years ago and recall it ended up on the original JM.com site somewhere. Maybe we can find it in the "back pages." It is kind of dreamy and ethereal for an abstract. Lots of pinkish tones and a sort of vague, almost Rorshach-like image of perhaps Joni splattered in the center of the canvas in gold paint. Years ago one of the waiters there told me that the owner, Hal, is a friend of Joni and has a house full of her paintings. I wish he would rotate a few of them in and out! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:00:10 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Various threads (not all Joni) From: To: "Randy Remote" > Yeah, it was a memorable trip down and back and time at the show - heehee! > Most everyone was all mellow, ahem, and then suddenly he became like the > Incredible Hulk raging on steroids. Then he calmed down and it was all > cool again and forgotten. Ha! How funny (weird funny)..a good show and soap opera to boot! Like Stills in that Big Sur movie where he almost fights that guy in the middle of the show. Years ago one of the waiters there told me that the owner, > Hal, is a friend of Joni and has a house full of her paintings. I wish he > would rotate a few of them in and out! Yeah, really...this fellow Hal...he's only encouraging her...that's why she's not making music. She's painting for Hal! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:46:43 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Randy, I figured you might find the Pew Research Center if you went on the hunt for that info. There is quite a bit of interesting data in their reports about news trends. Their July 30, 2006 report titled, "Online Papers Modestly Boost Newspaper Readership" tracks the decline in regular viewership of various television news programs. From 1993-2006, the percentage who watch the local news has dropped from 77% to 54%. In that same time period, the percentage who regularly watch one of the nightly news shows has dropped from 60% to 28%. Yes, television is definitely still a powerful medium and while 74% say that TV is their main source of news, that doesn't mean it's their only source. I learned about Mander's book from a friend of mine who wrote his graduate thesis on the hypnotic effects of television. And while Democracy Now didn't exist a few years ago, the NewsHour has been on the air for 30 years and Morning Edition has been on the air for almost 27 years. Personally I prefer both to Democracy Now because I find them to offer more diversity in what they cover. As for a "left-wing equivelent to Limbaugh," I'm not sure I agree that there even has to be an equivalent. I think there are places to find left-leaning talk whether on radio, TV, the net, etc., even if it isn't represented by one singular personality. I think Tavis Smiley tried to be that but didn't draw big enough numbers. On the other side, Tucker Carlson didn't make it on PBS and is now at MSNBC. And in my past interactions with people who are a part of radio ownership, I would say they don't think one bit about "permitting" or "encouraging" Limbaugh. Their concerns are ad dollars and broadcasting decency standards (to avoid fines). If someone from the left can draw those numbers, they will have no shortage of buyers for syndication. I think the definition of what is "mainstream media" has been continually shifting. It's no longer just the broadcasters and general interest newspapers. With more than 70% of adults online, the internet is mainstream media. We have so many options in terms of the diversity of information available that I would say if someone can't find an opposing view it's because they aren't looking for it. As for the moves to regulate the internet and digital media overall, Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin has been talking out of both sides of his mouth on these issues and has caused more problems than I think he even understands. And Patrick Leahy of Vermont was a primary proponent of the flawed DMCA. I get the image of Karl Rove as the omnipotent evil genius with hundreds of fingers for all of the pies he has them stuck in, but when it comes to the internet it's hard to find political leaders on either side who really get what the issues are about. Both sides have demonstrated a serious lack of understanding and both have been involved in some bad legislation. And I think if one really believes strongly about these issues that it is important to not just point at someone like Rove as some kind of lightning rod type bogeyman, but to look at ALL of the players and hold them ALL accountable. B Randy Remote wrote: > Brenda, you are right that trends have been changing and I will have > to eat crow on the 90's% figure. It depends on age groups, the highest, > according to surveys by Pew Found. is 85% for age 60-69. The average > is 74% for all age groups (2005, TV as their main source of news). > In the period between 1995-2002 cable > news made the most gains, next was talk radio, followed by online > sources. Network news lost the most, newspapers slightly down. > If you "follow the money", I think it's safe to say that far more > advertising > dollars go to TV than anything else. Still a powerful medium-have you > ever read "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Mander? > Fascinating information about the actual electrical effect of TV and it's > ability to physically induce a passive state similar to hypnotism. > Anyway, I think these trends are encouraging-for instance Link TV and > Democracy Now did not exist a few years ago. And Bill > Moyers says "A recent poll showed that an increasing percentage > of younger Americans get their news from late night television,"... > up to 20% from TV comedy news shows (!)... > I agree that opposing views are valuble, the difficulty is getting them > on mainstream media at all. There is no left-wing equivelent to > Limbaugh-is that because he truly represents that many people's > political bent, or because his message is permitted (encouraged) > by the corporate ownership? While the opposing views are not > presented. (Actually, San Francisco has a very left leaning talk > show host with a large following on mega-talk KGO-AM. His > show starts at 1am). > I'm sure the Karl Roves of this world are sweating this stuff out- > there have been moves to regulate the internet, and Clear Channel > just asked for more relaxed market share rules. But the propaganda > machine grinds on, and, like McDonalds, they're still selling lots > of beef products. > RR > http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=248 > http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/talkradio.html > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" > >> Randy, >> Can you supply a source for your 90-something percent number? Because >> overall network and news ratings have been dropping for some time >> now. Newspaper circulation numbers have been dropping as well because >> there are more alternatives for news and information now then there >> ever have been. >> >> Retractions are one thing but the presentation of an opposing view is >> another. I think it's one thing to complain (there is certainly no >> shortage of that from the left) and another thing to make an effort >> to oppose by presenting another view. I know the old quote about not >> underestimating the stupidity of the public, but I do believe that >> people should have the right to make up their own minds. >> >> And since this is all being talked about within the context of >> elections, I'd find it interesting to learn what percentage of the >> electorate gets their news from TV and only TV and not from other >> sources like radio, web sites, podcasts, etc. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" >> >> I believe that a >>> dialogue where people are open and receptive despite their opposing >>> views would be progress compared to where it seems we are now. >>> B >> >> Absolutely. But substitute the word 'media' for 'dialogue' in the above >> sentence and we're getting more to the crux of the argument. >> 90-something percent of the people get their "news" from TV- >> surely the most corrupt, propangandistic source imaginable-a monopoly >> that shapes the beliefs and emotions of the populace in a way never >> before seen in history. These are George Bush's billionaire friends. >> I see no reason to let their manipulations stand without challenge. >> As to offering an opposing view, you know, once the initial >> impression is set, retractions have very little effect. >> Should we trust Disney or Clarke? I'll go with Clarke. >> These are, after all, the networks that did nothing to challenge the >> lies about WMD, two stolen elections, swiftboat smears, and on and >> on and on. I think we can expect another whitewash-and I don't >> think they will pull it due to complaints from the left, but at least >> they will know we're not swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. >> RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:59:01 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Enough Said (not)... YouTube... prom - NJC Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > tools like YouTube will be used for more than just funny kitten antics, > outrageous guitar licks and teen girls shaking their asses. > > > True, but I hope the latter doesn't totally disappear. I've saved lots of > $1 bills. > I hope they don't disappear either. I find the whole phenomenon to be amazing. And I think it's cool that adolescents feel empowered to express themselves, even in frivolous ways. Hell maybe if YouTube had existed back in the day, some of you wallflowers would have had higher self esteem and gone to the prom to get your party on. Heh. B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:55:28 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: njc, Tell ABC we "Don't Need No More Lies!" Besides the blogs, AP and Reuters both have stories. I'm sure the pundits will have a hold of it by the weekend. I found this comment from 9/11 Commissioner Thomas Kean to offer some insight: "People in both parties didn't particularly like the commission report and I think people in both parties aren't going to love this one." Personally, I hope that ABC doesn't cave like CBS did with the Reagan miniseries. People who don't support it can vote with their remotes, but let it air for those of us who want to see it. B Em wrote: > you know what though?? this thing is getting HUGE. I'm starting to read > about it all over. Americablog has some interesting comments. > http://americablog.blogspot.com/ > (good to me, anyway, I'm sure others may feel otherwise) > I have a feeling its going to be a big ol hairy deal. > Some zit is going to be force-popped over this. > Maybe! > Forgive me if I seem jolly over it, but I'm overwhelmed by gallows > humor. > Em ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #324 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------